Raise Retirement age and cut benefits or not?

[Davros]

Do we touch Medicare and Social Security or not?

With Medicare, it's all about the government giving money to drug companies and rich doctors. We should gradually raise the retirement age, yes. But as far as cutting what Medicare is willing to pay, that would hurt seniors because the greedy doctors and drug companies would stop accepting Medicare. So the only viable thing there is health reform to cut the costs of healthcare paid by all so that what Medicare pays can also go down. Obamacare was supposed to work on that, but because of the toxic Washington environment they rushed out a Democrat only plan rather than working together with Republicans on the healthcare cost issue.

On Social Security, raise the retirement age, and tax benefits to more well off seniors. It's not fair, but there's no alternative. The money seniors put in to social security is gone and the current generation can't sustain the older generation at the current benefit level.

So fixing medicare is much tougher and must be done hand in hand with healthcare reform.

Bottom line: Huckabee, Christie, Bush, everybody had some good ideas. Get together with Democrats and come up with something.

We need to elect somebody who can do that because neither party will win absolute power in 2016.

 

[Rustic]

Do we touch Medicare and Social Security or not?

With Medicare, it's all about the government giving money to drug companies and rich doctors. We should gradually raise the retirement age, yes. But as far as cutting what Medicare is willing to pay, that would hurt seniors because the greedy doctors and drug companies would stop accepting Medicare. So the only viable thing there is health reform to cut the costs of healthcare paid by all so that what Medicare pays can also go down. Obamacare was supposed to work on that, but because of the toxic Washington environment they rushed out a Democrat only plan rather than working together with Republicans on the healthcare cost issue.

On Social Security, raise the retirement age, and tax benefits to more well off seniors. It's not fair, but there's no alternative. The money seniors put in to social security is gone and the current generation can't sustain the older generation at the current benefit level.

So fixing medicare is much tougher and must be done hand in hand with healthcare reform.

Bottom line: Huckabee, Christie, Bush, everybody had some good ideas. Get together with Democrats and come up with something.

We need to elect somebody who can do that because neither party will win absolute power in 2016.

Make it a opt in or opt out to start with.

 

[Davros]

Do we touch Medicare and Social Security or not?

With Medicare, it's all about the government giving money to drug companies and rich doctors. We should gradually raise the retirement age, yes. But as far as cutting what Medicare is willing to pay, that would hurt seniors because the greedy doctors and drug companies would stop accepting Medicare. So the only viable thing there is health reform to cut the costs of healthcare paid by all so that what Medicare pays can also go down. Obamacare was supposed to work on that, but because of the toxic Washington environment they rushed out a Democrat only plan rather than working together with Republicans on the healthcare cost issue.

On Social Security, raise the retirement age, and tax benefits to more well off seniors. It's not fair, but there's no alternative. The money seniors put in to social security is gone and the current generation can't sustain the older generation at the current benefit level.

So fixing medicare is much tougher and must be done hand in hand with healthcare reform.

Bottom line: Huckabee, Christie, Bush, everybody had some good ideas. Get together with Democrats and come up with something.

We need to elect somebody who can do that because neither party will win absolute power in 2016.

Make it a opt in or opt out to start with.

How will that help fund the benefits for seniors who are currently expecting benefits? Your idea would only cause the medicare/social security deficits to increase.

 

[Arianrhod]

Retirement age has already been raised. It's subtle, but it's been there since 1983:

Retirement Age Calculator

 

[JakeStarkey]

Single payer with government negotiating the costs with the suppliers.

 

[Davros]

Retirement age has already been raised. It's subtle, but it's been there since 1983:

Retirement Age Calculator

It needs to be further raised in order for projected deficits to not happen. Those projections already take onto account the 1983 law.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Single payer with government negotiating the costs with the suppliers.

$600 toilet seat... Yeah good idea

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Eliminate welfare first. We paid into those programs, touch them last

 

[ScienceRocks]

How about no??? How about we raise taxes on the top 5% and get the fuck out of the middle east????

Amazing how we fuck over people that worked and earned these benefits.

 

[Davros]

Single payer with government negotiating the costs with the suppliers.

Medicare already is single payer. How would expanding single payer to everybody cut healthcare costs? It would allow the government to dictate what it will pay, but that would cause all kinds of healthcare availability problems. Now, it's available but expensive. Under single payer, there are long wait lists for critical care.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Yes, we raise the retirement age.

We don't cut benefits at the bottom.

We means test people off the top.

We then add some additional taxes for people who make over 1 million.

And we prosecute the hell out of anyone scamming the system.

The last has to happen. It's not fun to watch Granny and Grandpa go off to jail, but they must be accountable.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Single payer with government negotiating the costs with the suppliers.

$600 toilet seat... Yeah good idea

Its weird how your party never expects accountability anymore...Just abolish, deregulate and fuck over all the workers in that sector.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Leave ssi and medicare the fuck alone!!!!

 

[Davros]

Eliminate welfare first. We paid into those programs, touch them last

What happens when you eliminate welfare? How many millions will starve to death in America? Welfare prevents us from being a third world country.

 

[Davros]

How about no??? How about we raise taxes on the top 5% and get the fuck out of the middle east????

Amazing how we fuck over people that worked and earned these benefits.

Do you know how big the projected deficits are? Hint: way bigger than the military budget.

 

[Arianrhod]

I wonder how many posters here are aware that incomes over 118K have no FICA deducted.

Once again, the middle class is paying a higher percentage than the wealthy but, hey, don't want to piss off the "job creators" .

 

[Arianrhod]

Eliminate welfare first. We paid into those programs, touch them last

What happens when you eliminate welfare? How many millions will starve to death in America? Welfare prevents us from being a third world country.

Haven't you been here long enough to realize THEY DON'T CARE?

 

[Davros]

Leave ssi and medicare the fuck alone!!!!

That's an emotional argument that ignores the fact that projected medicare and social security deficits are huge. How are we going to pay for that? Tax workers at 100%? Starve the workers so that seniors can live fat? Who will provide services for the seniors then if all the workers have died off?

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Leave ssi and medicare the fuck alone!!!!

Absolutely not.

And can you post just once without using f**k ?

Just once ?

Try it.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Eliminate welfare first. We paid into those programs, touch them last

What happens when you eliminate welfare? How many millions will starve to death in America? Welfare prevents us from being a third world country.

Please show me where anyone has starved to death in this country.

While it might happen in the back woods of New York, it's likely not happening in large cities.

This argument is always one that kills a good discussion.