Raise Taxes or Cut Waste?

[ScreamingEagle]

quit ranting about socialism ... I assume you're spewing about Obama. Guess what you moron ? Even the Head of the Socialist Committee in this country says Obama IS NO SOCIALIST .. and you sport wouldn't know a socialist if one bit you on the ass, you're just a talking point with 2 legs .. or do you have 4 legs?

Quite ranting about Libertarianism. You are not qualified to speak on the subject.

Just go back to posting you Republican hatefest crap like somebody gives a shit.

Socialism does not mean what you think it does. It is not Soviet communism, it is a methodology to equitably share resources in society.


Couldn't possibly be the wage stagnation for 30+ years of Reaganomics tilting the playing field toward plutocracy as all the profits of increased productivity go upward to executives and insiders.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

ah yes.....those selfish capitalists.....'modern socialism' is just soooo superior......is that why it's failing in Europe....?

 

[Flash]

front runner for dumbest post of the day ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I know. It always sound dumb to a Libtard to be reminded that their dependency on their precious government is being like a little child, incapable of doing anything on their own..

The only difference is that my granddaughter will grow up one day and hopefully be responsible for her own well being but you stupid Libtards will never pull your heads out of your asses.

 

[Dad2three]

FYI - I do NOT support a welfare state, never have, and never will. I support self-supporting opportunities for everyone, no exceptions. But, I do support helping those in need. Also, thanks for answering my question, much appreciated. It took a long time, but you finally answered it instead of dodging it. So, you support and agree with doing "Nothing" for those that are "cut off" from some form of assistance. You're entitled to that stance, and you're entitled to express it.

My prayer is that you will never ever need the assistance that you so strong believe shouldn't exist. I hope your life is one of prosperity, and that you forever gloat in your ability to adequately care for yourself, without the need for any form of assistance. I also hope that your children, if you have any, prosper as well as you have, and never need any assistance. Count your many blessings, be thankful every day that you were given the opportunities that allowed you to live independent of help.

It's very hard and difficult for me stomach the fact that you would do absolutely nothing for those less fortunate than yourself. It greatly disappoints me that such people exist among our society. Actually, I feel sorry for you. It must be terrible to live without a heart and sympathy for those less fortunate. Thanks for your time. I have enjoyed our conversation. It's been educational for me, and I appreciate it. Best of wishes for you and your family, and may the sun always shine on all of you.

If you don't support a welfare state then you need to change the way you post and address the subject because you sure as hell have been promoting it on this thread.

I have said (several times) that I also support those that are really in need. I give quit a bit a to charity and I asked you to match me on one of my trips to the grocery store to provide food for the needy in my county but you passed on that. I don't think the great majority of the tens of millions that are getting welfare from the government now are in need. I even posted a video showing you a few of them, which you have failed to even acknowledge.

I am quite capable of providing for my own welfare thank you very much. I won't be needing the government to take your money and be giving it to me. I won't even vote for anybody that runs on platform to do that.

Government welfare is not real charity. That is a sham. Real charity comes from the heart, church or family not a filthy government bureaucrat, elected by special interest groups to transfer money from those that earned it to those that didn't. I feel sorry for you that you don't understand that.

I think your heart is in the right place but you are simply confused about the subject. You are not alone, many other Americans also have a convoluted understanding of this monstrosity of a welfare system we have in this country.

It’s Official: White Folks in Red States are the Biggest Food Stamp ‘Moochers’ in the Country!

It 8217 s Official White Folks in Red States are the Biggest Food Stamp 8216 Moochers 8217 in the Country Americans Against the Tea Party

 

[Dad2three]

quit ranting about socialism ... I assume you're spewing about Obama. Guess what you moron ? Even the Head of the Socialist Committee in this country says Obama IS NO SOCIALIST .. and you sport wouldn't know a socialist if one bit you on the ass, you're just a talking point with 2 legs .. or do you have 4 legs?

Quite ranting about Libertarianism. You are not qualified to speak on the subject.

Just go back to posting you Republican hatefest crap like somebody gives a shit.

Socialism does not mean what you think it does. It is not Soviet communism, it is a methodology to equitably share resources in society.


Couldn't possibly be the wage stagnation for 30+ years of Reaganomics tilting the playing field toward plutocracy as all the profits of increased productivity go upward to executives and insiders.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

ah yes.....those selfish capitalists.....'modern socialism' is just soooo superior......is that why it's failing in Europe....?

Example of 'failure'? PLEASE?


You realize they actually use capitalism in Europe as their economic system right? And socialism is only the political side? lol

Wall St. Helped to Mask Debt Fueling Europe’s Crisis

February 13, 2010

Wall Street tactics akin to the ones that fostered subprime mortgages in America have worsened the financial crisis shaking Greece and undermining the euro by enabling European governments to hide their mounting debts.

As worries over Greece rattle world markets, records and interviews show that with Wall Street’s help, the nation engaged in a decade-long effort to skirt European debt limits. One deal created by Goldman Sachs helped obscure billions in debt from the budget overseers in Brussels.

Even as the crisis was nearing the flashpoint, banks were searching for ways to help Greece forestall the day of reckoning.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/14/business/global/14debt.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0


YOU WERE SAYING???

 

[Dad2three]

front runner for dumbest post of the day ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I know. It always sound dumb to a Libtard to be reminded that their dependency on their precious government is being like a little child, incapable of doing anything on their own..

The only difference is that my granddaughter will grow up one day and hopefully be responsible for her own well being but you stupid Libtards will never pull your heads out of your asses.

MAYBE 3RD TIMES A CHARM???


Yes, I acknowledge YOU completely ignored the FREE MARKETS subprime meltdown that Dubya/GOP cheered on in their WORLD WIDE CREDIT BUBBLE AND BUST. Again

Raise Taxes or Cut Waste Page 32 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

 

[ScreamingEagle]

quit ranting about socialism ... I assume you're spewing about Obama. Guess what you moron ? Even the Head of the Socialist Committee in this country says Obama IS NO SOCIALIST .. and you sport wouldn't know a socialist if one bit you on the ass, you're just a talking point with 2 legs .. or do you have 4 legs?

Quite ranting about Libertarianism. You are not qualified to speak on the subject.

Just go back to posting you Republican hatefest crap like somebody gives a shit.

Socialism does not mean what you think it does. It is not Soviet communism, it is a methodology to equitably share resources in society.


Couldn't possibly be the wage stagnation for 30+ years of Reaganomics tilting the playing field toward plutocracy as all the profits of increased productivity go upward to executives and insiders.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

ah yes.....those selfish capitalists.....'modern socialism' is just soooo superior......is that why it's failing in Europe....?

Example of 'failure'? PLEASE?


You realize they actually use capitalism in Europe as their economic system right? And socialism is only the political side? lol

Wall St. Helped to Mask Debt Fueling Europe’s Crisis

February 13, 2010

Wall Street tactics akin to the ones that fostered subprime mortgages in America have worsened the financial crisis shaking Greece and undermining the euro by enabling European governments to hide their mounting debts.

As worries over Greece rattle world markets, records and interviews show that with Wall Street’s help, the nation engaged in a decade-long effort to skirt European debt limits. One deal created by Goldman Sachs helped obscure billions in debt from the budget overseers in Brussels.

Even as the crisis was nearing the flashpoint, banks were searching for ways to help Greece forestall the day of reckoning.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/14/business/global/14debt.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0


YOU WERE SAYING???

"example of failure".....? can you say Greece....? or Spain....? or Italy....?

you think "socialism is only the political side".....? when governments start borrowing from big banks(Wall Street) to pay their bills that is a whopping big FINANCIAL PROBLEMO caused by big government socialism.....

 

[Dad2three]

quit ranting about socialism ... I assume you're spewing about Obama. Guess what you moron ? Even the Head of the Socialist Committee in this country says Obama IS NO SOCIALIST .. and you sport wouldn't know a socialist if one bit you on the ass, you're just a talking point with 2 legs .. or do you have 4 legs?

Quite ranting about Libertarianism. You are not qualified to speak on the subject.

Just go back to posting you Republican hatefest crap like somebody gives a shit.

Socialism does not mean what you think it does. It is not Soviet communism, it is a methodology to equitably share resources in society.


Couldn't possibly be the wage stagnation for 30+ years of Reaganomics tilting the playing field toward plutocracy as all the profits of increased productivity go upward to executives and insiders.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

ah yes.....those selfish capitalists.....'modern socialism' is just soooo superior......is that why it's failing in Europe....?

Example of 'failure'? PLEASE?


You realize they actually use capitalism in Europe as their economic system right? And socialism is only the political side? lol

Wall St. Helped to Mask Debt Fueling Europe’s Crisis

February 13, 2010

Wall Street tactics akin to the ones that fostered subprime mortgages in America have worsened the financial crisis shaking Greece and undermining the euro by enabling European governments to hide their mounting debts.

As worries over Greece rattle world markets, records and interviews show that with Wall Street’s help, the nation engaged in a decade-long effort to skirt European debt limits. One deal created by Goldman Sachs helped obscure billions in debt from the budget overseers in Brussels.

Even as the crisis was nearing the flashpoint, banks were searching for ways to help Greece forestall the day of reckoning.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/14/business/global/14debt.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0


YOU WERE SAYING???

"example of failure".....? can you say Greece....? or Spain....? or Italy....?

you think "socialism is only the political side".....? when governments start borrowing from big banks(Wall Street) that is a whopping big FINANCIAL PROBLEMO caused by socialism.....

Sure Bubba, sure, let's NOT blame their ECONOMIC SYSTEM OF CAPITALISM for hosing those nations, it's their politics, lol. You fukking wingnutters



As in the American subprime crisis and the implosion of the American International Group, financial derivatives played a role in the run-up of Greek debt. Instruments developed by Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan Chase and a wide range of other banks enabled politicians to mask additional borrowing in Greece, Italy and possibly elsewhere.

In dozens of deals across the Continent, banks provided cash upfront in return for government payments in the future, with those liabilities then left off the books. Greece, for example, traded away the rights to airport fees and lottery proceeds in years to come.

Critics say that such deals, because they are not recorded as loans, mislead investors and regulators about the depth of a country’s liabilities.


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/14/business/global/14debt.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
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Yeah, NOT the economic system of capitalism that caused it, lol

 

[Siete]

quit ranting about socialism ... I assume you're spewing about Obama. Guess what you moron ? Even the Head of the Socialist Committee in this country says Obama IS NO SOCIALIST .. and you sport wouldn't know a socialist if one bit you on the ass, you're just a talking point with 2 legs .. or do you have 4 legs?

Quite ranting about Libertarianism. You are not qualified to speak on the subject.

Just go back to posting you Republican hatefest crap like somebody gives a shit.

Socialism does not mean what you think it does. It is not Soviet communism, it is a methodology to equitably share resources in society.


Couldn't possibly be the wage stagnation for 30+ years of Reaganomics tilting the playing field toward plutocracy as all the profits of increased productivity go upward to executives and insiders.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

ah yes.....those selfish capitalists.....'modern socialism' is just soooo superior......is that why it's failing in Europe....?

since when did the US become Europe??. This isn't a socialist country. You however, ARE an idiot for believing it is

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Quite ranting about Libertarianism. You are not qualified to speak on the subject.

Just go back to posting you Republican hatefest crap like somebody gives a shit.

Socialism does not mean what you think it does. It is not Soviet communism, it is a methodology to equitably share resources in society.


Couldn't possibly be the wage stagnation for 30+ years of Reaganomics tilting the playing field toward plutocracy as all the profits of increased productivity go upward to executives and insiders.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

ah yes.....those selfish capitalists.....'modern socialism' is just soooo superior......is that why it's failing in Europe....?

Example of 'failure'? PLEASE?


You realize they actually use capitalism in Europe as their economic system right? And socialism is only the political side? lol

Wall St. Helped to Mask Debt Fueling Europe’s Crisis

February 13, 2010

Wall Street tactics akin to the ones that fostered subprime mortgages in America have worsened the financial crisis shaking Greece and undermining the euro by enabling European governments to hide their mounting debts.

As worries over Greece rattle world markets, records and interviews show that with Wall Street’s help, the nation engaged in a decade-long effort to skirt European debt limits. One deal created by Goldman Sachs helped obscure billions in debt from the budget overseers in Brussels.

Even as the crisis was nearing the flashpoint, banks were searching for ways to help Greece forestall the day of reckoning.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/14/business/global/14debt.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0


YOU WERE SAYING???

"example of failure".....? can you say Greece....? or Spain....? or Italy....?

you think "socialism is only the political side".....? when governments start borrowing from big banks(Wall Street) that is a whopping big FINANCIAL PROBLEMO caused by socialism.....

Sure Bubba, sure, let's NOT blame their ECONOMIC SYSTEM OF CAPITALISM for hosing those nations, it's their politics, lol. You fukking wingnutters



As in the American subprime crisis and the implosion of the American International Group, financial derivatives played a role in the run-up of Greek debt. Instruments developed by Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan Chase and a wide range of other banks enabled politicians to mask additional borrowing in Greece, Italy and possibly elsewhere.

In dozens of deals across the Continent, banks provided cash upfront in return for government payments in the future, with those liabilities then left off the books. Greece, for example, traded away the rights to airport fees and lottery proceeds in years to come.

Critics say that such deals, because they are not recorded as loans, mislead investors and regulators about the depth of a country’s liabilities.


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/14/business/global/14debt.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
\

Yeah, NOT the economic system of capitalism that caused it, lol

yes... capitalism is the basis for normal economies.....

you don't seem to understand that what we are dealing with here is CRONY capitalism....meaning government and big banks are in bed together...

crony capitalism is just another form of SOCIALISM.....

 

[Dad2three]

Socialism does not mean what you think it does. It is not Soviet communism, it is a methodology to equitably share resources in society.


Couldn't possibly be the wage stagnation for 30+ years of Reaganomics tilting the playing field toward plutocracy as all the profits of increased productivity go upward to executives and insiders.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

ah yes.....those selfish capitalists.....'modern socialism' is just soooo superior......is that why it's failing in Europe....?

Example of 'failure'? PLEASE?


You realize they actually use capitalism in Europe as their economic system right? And socialism is only the political side? lol

Wall St. Helped to Mask Debt Fueling Europe’s Crisis

February 13, 2010

Wall Street tactics akin to the ones that fostered subprime mortgages in America have worsened the financial crisis shaking Greece and undermining the euro by enabling European governments to hide their mounting debts.

As worries over Greece rattle world markets, records and interviews show that with Wall Street’s help, the nation engaged in a decade-long effort to skirt European debt limits. One deal created by Goldman Sachs helped obscure billions in debt from the budget overseers in Brussels.

Even as the crisis was nearing the flashpoint, banks were searching for ways to help Greece forestall the day of reckoning.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/14/business/global/14debt.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0


YOU WERE SAYING???

"example of failure".....? can you say Greece....? or Spain....? or Italy....?

you think "socialism is only the political side".....? when governments start borrowing from big banks(Wall Street) that is a whopping big FINANCIAL PROBLEMO caused by socialism.....

Sure Bubba, sure, let's NOT blame their ECONOMIC SYSTEM OF CAPITALISM for hosing those nations, it's their politics, lol. You fukking wingnutters



As in the American subprime crisis and the implosion of the American International Group, financial derivatives played a role in the run-up of Greek debt. Instruments developed by Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan Chase and a wide range of other banks enabled politicians to mask additional borrowing in Greece, Italy and possibly elsewhere.

In dozens of deals across the Continent, banks provided cash upfront in return for government payments in the future, with those liabilities then left off the books. Greece, for example, traded away the rights to airport fees and lottery proceeds in years to come.

Critics say that such deals, because they are not recorded as loans, mislead investors and regulators about the depth of a country’s liabilities.


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/14/business/global/14debt.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
\

Yeah, NOT the economic system of capitalism that caused it, lol

yes... capitalism is the basis for normal economies.....

you don't seem to understand that what we are dealing with here is CRONY capitalism....meaning government and big banks are in bed together...

crony capitalism is just another form of SOCIALISM.....

And I though those 'free market' guys would solve the problems? You saying they don't? lol

 

[ScreamingEagle]

ah yes.....those selfish capitalists.....'modern socialism' is just soooo superior......is that why it's failing in Europe....?

Example of 'failure'? PLEASE?


You realize they actually use capitalism in Europe as their economic system right? And socialism is only the political side? lol

Wall St. Helped to Mask Debt Fueling Europe’s Crisis

February 13, 2010

Wall Street tactics akin to the ones that fostered subprime mortgages in America have worsened the financial crisis shaking Greece and undermining the euro by enabling European governments to hide their mounting debts.

As worries over Greece rattle world markets, records and interviews show that with Wall Street’s help, the nation engaged in a decade-long effort to skirt European debt limits. One deal created by Goldman Sachs helped obscure billions in debt from the budget overseers in Brussels.

Even as the crisis was nearing the flashpoint, banks were searching for ways to help Greece forestall the day of reckoning.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/14/business/global/14debt.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0


YOU WERE SAYING???

"example of failure".....? can you say Greece....? or Spain....? or Italy....?

you think "socialism is only the political side".....? when governments start borrowing from big banks(Wall Street) that is a whopping big FINANCIAL PROBLEMO caused by socialism.....

Sure Bubba, sure, let's NOT blame their ECONOMIC SYSTEM OF CAPITALISM for hosing those nations, it's their politics, lol. You fukking wingnutters



As in the American subprime crisis and the implosion of the American International Group, financial derivatives played a role in the run-up of Greek debt. Instruments developed by Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan Chase and a wide range of other banks enabled politicians to mask additional borrowing in Greece, Italy and possibly elsewhere.

In dozens of deals across the Continent, banks provided cash upfront in return for government payments in the future, with those liabilities then left off the books. Greece, for example, traded away the rights to airport fees and lottery proceeds in years to come.

Critics say that such deals, because they are not recorded as loans, mislead investors and regulators about the depth of a country’s liabilities.


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/14/business/global/14debt.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
\

Yeah, NOT the economic system of capitalism that caused it, lol

yes... capitalism is the basis for normal economies.....

you don't seem to understand that what we are dealing with here is CRONY capitalism....meaning government and big banks are in bed together...

crony capitalism is just another form of SOCIALISM.....

And I though those 'free market' guys would solve the problems? You saying they don't? lol

nothing wrong with a 'corporate takeover'.....if it follows the rules....

corporatism however is just another name for socialism too.......government and corporations in bed together.....

 

[Dad2three]

Example of 'failure'? PLEASE?


You realize they actually use capitalism in Europe as their economic system right? And socialism is only the political side? lol

Wall St. Helped to Mask Debt Fueling Europe’s Crisis

February 13, 2010

Wall Street tactics akin to the ones that fostered subprime mortgages in America have worsened the financial crisis shaking Greece and undermining the euro by enabling European governments to hide their mounting debts.

As worries over Greece rattle world markets, records and interviews show that with Wall Street’s help, the nation engaged in a decade-long effort to skirt European debt limits. One deal created by Goldman Sachs helped obscure billions in debt from the budget overseers in Brussels.

Even as the crisis was nearing the flashpoint, banks were searching for ways to help Greece forestall the day of reckoning.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/14/business/global/14debt.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0


YOU WERE SAYING???

"example of failure".....? can you say Greece....? or Spain....? or Italy....?

you think "socialism is only the political side".....? when governments start borrowing from big banks(Wall Street) that is a whopping big FINANCIAL PROBLEMO caused by socialism.....

Sure Bubba, sure, let's NOT blame their ECONOMIC SYSTEM OF CAPITALISM for hosing those nations, it's their politics, lol. You fukking wingnutters



As in the American subprime crisis and the implosion of the American International Group, financial derivatives played a role in the run-up of Greek debt. Instruments developed by Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan Chase and a wide range of other banks enabled politicians to mask additional borrowing in Greece, Italy and possibly elsewhere.

In dozens of deals across the Continent, banks provided cash upfront in return for government payments in the future, with those liabilities then left off the books. Greece, for example, traded away the rights to airport fees and lottery proceeds in years to come.

Critics say that such deals, because they are not recorded as loans, mislead investors and regulators about the depth of a country’s liabilities.


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/14/business/global/14debt.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
\

Yeah, NOT the economic system of capitalism that caused it, lol

yes... capitalism is the basis for normal economies.....

you don't seem to understand that what we are dealing with here is CRONY capitalism....meaning government and big banks are in bed together...

crony capitalism is just another form of SOCIALISM.....

And I though those 'free market' guys would solve the problems? You saying they don't? lol

nothing wrong with a 'corporate takeover'.....if it follows the rules....

corporatism however is just another name for socialism too.......government and corporations in bed together.....

 

[ScreamingEagle]

"example of failure".....? can you say Greece....? or Spain....? or Italy....?

you think "socialism is only the political side".....? when governments start borrowing from big banks(Wall Street) that is a whopping big FINANCIAL PROBLEMO caused by socialism.....

Sure Bubba, sure, let's NOT blame their ECONOMIC SYSTEM OF CAPITALISM for hosing those nations, it's their politics, lol. You fukking wingnutters



As in the American subprime crisis and the implosion of the American International Group, financial derivatives played a role in the run-up of Greek debt. Instruments developed by Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan Chase and a wide range of other banks enabled politicians to mask additional borrowing in Greece, Italy and possibly elsewhere.

In dozens of deals across the Continent, banks provided cash upfront in return for government payments in the future, with those liabilities then left off the books. Greece, for example, traded away the rights to airport fees and lottery proceeds in years to come.

Critics say that such deals, because they are not recorded as loans, mislead investors and regulators about the depth of a country’s liabilities.


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/14/business/global/14debt.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
\

Yeah, NOT the economic system of capitalism that caused it, lol

yes... capitalism is the basis for normal economies.....

you don't seem to understand that what we are dealing with here is CRONY capitalism....meaning government and big banks are in bed together...

crony capitalism is just another form of SOCIALISM.....

And I though those 'free market' guys would solve the problems? You saying they don't? lol

nothing wrong with a 'corporate takeover'.....if it follows the rules....

corporatism however is just another name for socialism too.......government and corporations in bed together.....

well stick a fork in your side of the argument....it's done...

 

[zeke]

Hey flashy, how many welfare recipients you think there are and how many vote?





While politically, congressional Republicans have focused on reducing spending on federal entitlement programs, the Pew Research survey found the U.S. to be “a “bipartisan nation of beneficiaries.”

The survey found that significant proportions of Democrats (60%) and Republicans (52%) say they have benefited from a major entitlement program at some point in their lives. So have nearly equal shares of self-identifying conservatives (57%), liberals (53%) and moderates (53%). The programs were Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, unemployment benefits and food stamps.



You find this interesting flash?

Both Democrats and Republicans support the welfare state. They both are parties of bad government. Once, decades ago, I was naive and thought the Republicans were the party of fiscal conservatism but I learned that lesson.

There is not much difference in either party as far as I am concerned so your little shitass partisan bloviating about how bad the Republicans are means nothing to me.

I didn't mention party. That article was about parity. As in I wonder which group you fall in. Those that admit they have been helped or those not helped. Either way, someone you know and care about have been the beneficiary of government programs. Guaranteed. So why you carrying on about these programs? For instance, don't you want your Granma to have her Social Security? Why not?

 

[SwimExpert]

So basically, your solution is, "oh well, life's a bitch"?

My solution is for the hardest burden to rest on the shoulders of those who have created the burden. Why do you want to keep paying for other people's Social Security when it won't be around by the time you retire?

 

[SwimExpert]

How can we have the heart to allow them to starve?

You think it would be better to dump your money into other people's retirement, and be the one starving when you get old?

 

[Dad2three]

Sure Bubba, sure, let's NOT blame their ECONOMIC SYSTEM OF CAPITALISM for hosing those nations, it's their politics, lol. You fukking wingnutters



As in the American subprime crisis and the implosion of the American International Group, financial derivatives played a role in the run-up of Greek debt. Instruments developed by Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan Chase and a wide range of other banks enabled politicians to mask additional borrowing in Greece, Italy and possibly elsewhere.

In dozens of deals across the Continent, banks provided cash upfront in return for government payments in the future, with those liabilities then left off the books. Greece, for example, traded away the rights to airport fees and lottery proceeds in years to come.

Critics say that such deals, because they are not recorded as loans, mislead investors and regulators about the depth of a country’s liabilities.


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/14/business/global/14debt.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
\

Yeah, NOT the economic system of capitalism that caused it, lol

yes... capitalism is the basis for normal economies.....

you don't seem to understand that what we are dealing with here is CRONY capitalism....meaning government and big banks are in bed together...

crony capitalism is just another form of SOCIALISM.....

And I though those 'free market' guys would solve the problems? You saying they don't? lol

nothing wrong with a 'corporate takeover'.....if it follows the rules....

corporatism however is just another name for socialism too.......government and corporations in bed together.....

well stick a fork in your side of the argument....it's done...

ONLY in right wing world is capitalism NOT the cause of capitalism's failures *shaking head*

 

[Dad2three]

So basically, your solution is, "oh well, life's a bitch"?

My solution is for the hardest burden to rest on the shoulders of those who have created the burden. Why do you want to keep paying for other people's Social Security when it won't be around by the time you retire?

Germany's SS has been around since the 1880's. Same basic INSURANCE as the US. Just needs tweaking like we've done dozens of times. Biggest failure was Ronnie's increasing taxes to hide his tax cuts for the rich's true costs. $2+ trillion in monies spent to hide those costs!


5 Huge Myths About Social Security

Myth No. 1: Social Security is going bankrupt

Myth No. 2: Meeting Social Security's future shortfall is really hardWe only need to come up with about 0.9% of GDP in order to make Social Security's revenues match up with its expenses for the next 75 years. To put that into perspective, 0.9% is close to the cost of unemployment insurance, the high-end Bush tax cuts, or one-fifth of the Defense budget. That's not insignificant, but it's hardly apocalyptic.

5 Huge Myths About Social Security

 

[Dad2three]

How can we have the heart to allow them to starve?

You think it would be better to dump your money into other people's retirement, and be the one starving when you get old?

Yes, BECAUSE the libertarian FANTASY worked sooooo well pre SS.

SS keeps 50% of seniors out of poverty

 

[ScienceRocks]

So basically, your solution is, "oh well, life's a bitch"?

My solution is for the hardest burden to rest on the shoulders of those who have created the burden. Why do you want to keep paying for other people's Social Security when it won't be around by the time you retire?

Most people wouldn't know how to do what you're suggesting. SSI is the best method as people work, don't give a damn about saving, but still want to end up with a retirement...Well, this way we don't end up with over 1/3rd of our population living on the streets. That would be far worse!