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Why should they work to improve themselves when they know that Nana Govmint will pick up the slack.
Minimum wage is not to be a living wage.. it is a STARTER wage... for the ones with zero experience, just beginning their working careers...
This is a simple concept that left wingers just cannot seem to understand
So why is the starting wage so much less today than it was in 1968? in 2012 dollars, mw was almost $11 an hour. Today, in 2012, mw is about $7.00 and hour. More than 75% of MW workers are adults, why on earth do you think they are worth less today than in 1968.
A person working full time on minimum wage should be expected to live on it. If you Americans can't get that through your heads, there is something wrong.
Hmm.. meant for students etc who are JUST STARTING... it should NOT be expected to pay solo rent, car payments, raise kids, etc... you ADVANCE to EARN what is needed to provide for such things.. if YOU or ANYONE ELSE is earning minimum wage at age 25 with 2 kids, 2 cars, a 3BR apartment or house, etc, YOU ARE FUCKING STUPID.... you are not OWED the payment for such things for the lowest level shit out there... ANYONE can flip a burger, sweep a floor, or ring a cash register.. but guess what... If you stay with a company, show potential and effort, show some loyalty, advance your skills, learn new skills, and initiative, etc YOU WILL GET RAISES MOST LIKELY BECAUSE OF THE VALUE YOU ADD ABOVE THE ENTRY LEVEL GOOBERS
Idiot
You have an unrealistic expectation of life.
He likely has higher expectations of people. I wish more people would do likewise instead of accepting mediocrity. The minimum wage is a manifestation of low expectations as your own. I doesn't stop there though. People instill mediocrity in their children and in doing so perpetuate ignorance and poverty. That is the reason for people making minimum wage, and a tragedy to boot.You have an unrealistic expectation of life.
There are many people who want to get somewhere in life, but sometimes, circumstances don't allow for that to happen. Its life, and people need to accept that.
Because there are more people in a pool that can do mindless work that anyone else can do
Look at the unemployment rates amng those most affected by min wage, e.g. black teenagers. Currently is over 20%. It will correlate somewhat with min wage rises, and it has. So if we raise the min wage rate we will prevent more black teens from getting jobs and getting started with their careers. This way they can drop out, sling dope, and become wards of the state. And Dem voters, of course.
Only an idiot thinks raising the min wage will accomplish anything.
Look at the unemployment rates amng those most affected by min wage, e.g. black teenagers. Currently is over 20%. It will correlate somewhat with min wage rises, and it has. So if we raise the min wage rate we will prevent more black teens from getting jobs and getting started with their careers. This way they can drop out, sling dope, and become wards of the state. And Dem voters, of course.
Only an idiot thinks raising the min wage will accomplish anything.
unfortunately there are a lot of idiots in the dem party, with the head idiot sitting in the oval office
Look at the unemployment rates amng those most affected by min wage, e.g. black teenagers. Currently is over 20%. It will correlate somewhat with min wage rises, and it has. So if we raise the min wage rate we will prevent more black teens from getting jobs and getting started with their careers. This way they can drop out, sling dope, and become wards of the state. And Dem voters, of course.
Only an idiot thinks raising the min wage will accomplish anything.
unfortunately there are a lot of idiots in the dem party, with the head idiot sitting in the oval office
I disagree. Obama isn't the head idiot. The head has brains.
Why should they work to improve themselves when they know that Nana Govmint will pick up the slack.
That is what under paying & government subsidizing/supporting minimum wage workers gets you. It trains them that government will take care of them regardless of how hard they work. They need to be paid enough to live off of so they can stand on their own 2 feet & take pride in their accomplishments. Most of the "47% takers" have low paying jobs that instill them with the virtue of government dependency.
A person working full time on minimum wage should be expected to live on it. If you Americans can't get that through your heads, there is something wrong.
Hmm.. meant for students etc who are JUST STARTING... it should NOT be expected to pay solo rent, car payments, raise kids, etc... you ADVANCE to EARN what is needed to provide for such things.. if YOU or ANYONE ELSE is earning minimum wage at age 25 with 2 kids, 2 cars, a 3BR apartment or house, etc, YOU ARE FUCKING STUPID.... you are not OWED the payment for such things for the lowest level shit out there... ANYONE can flip a burger, sweep a floor, or ring a cash register.. but guess what... If you stay with a company, show potential and effort, show some loyalty, advance your skills, learn new skills, and initiative, etc YOU WILL GET RAISES MOST LIKELY BECAUSE OF THE VALUE YOU ADD ABOVE THE ENTRY LEVEL GOOBERS
Idiot
You have an unrealistic expectation of life.
He likely has higher expectations of people. I wish more people would do likewise instead of accepting mediocrity. The minimum wage is a manifestation of low expectations as your own. I doesn't stop there though. People instill mediocrity in their children and in doing so perpetuate ignorance and poverty. That is the reason for people making minimum wage, and a tragedy to boot.You have an unrealistic expectation of life.
There are many people who want to get somewhere in life, but sometimes, circumstances don't allow for that to happen. Its life, and people need to accept that.
What's the matter? Can not answer why we can not move the minimum wage mandate to 500 dollars an hour? Why can we not do that since this policy is without consequence?
You can't make a case against the 9 dollar an hour minimum wage so you want someone to argue over a 500 dollar an hour wage. That makes you an asshole, not that you weren't already.
The case against mandating any minimum wage has been made repeatedly. Libs just refuse to acknowledge the reality that one of their sacred cow issues is really an economic albatross.
TSAB is right, in for a dime, in for a dollar. If we insist on raising the minimum wage a measly couple of bucks, why not just shoot for the moon and demand $500/hr?
You can't make a case against the 9 dollar an hour minimum wage so you want someone to argue over a 500 dollar an hour wage. That makes you an asshole, not that you weren't already.
The case against mandating any minimum wage has been made repeatedly. Libs just refuse to acknowledge the reality that one of their sacred cow issues is really an economic albatross.
TSAB is right, in for a dime, in for a dollar. If we insist on raising the minimum wage a measly couple of bucks, why not just shoot for the moon and demand $500/hr?
Why do you think minimum wage workers are worth less today than minimum wage workers in 1968?
The case against mandating any minimum wage has been made repeatedly. Libs just refuse to acknowledge the reality that one of their sacred cow issues is really an economic albatross.
TSAB is right, in for a dime, in for a dollar. If we insist on raising the minimum wage a measly couple of bucks, why not just shoot for the moon and demand $500/hr?
Why do you think minimum wage workers are worth less today than minimum wage workers in 1968?
Do you think there is more of a number of unskilled people for the labor force?? More people who do not put it upon themselves to train, gain skills, etc that would take them out of the unskilled labor category??
If there is more unskilled labor, of course it is worth less
Why do you think minimum wage workers are worth less today than minimum wage workers in 1968?
Do you think there is more of a number of unskilled people for the labor force?? More people who do not put it upon themselves to train, gain skills, etc that would take them out of the unskilled labor category??
If there is more unskilled labor, of course it is worth less
obviously the population has grown so of course there, of course there are more jobs to.
I'm not sure it's fair to say there are more people who are satisfied with minimum wage jobs and not trying for better than there were though.
Do you think there is more of a number of unskilled people for the labor force?? More people who do not put it upon themselves to train, gain skills, etc that would take them out of the unskilled labor category??
If there is more unskilled labor, of course it is worth less
obviously the population has grown so of course there, of course there are more jobs to.
I'm not sure it's fair to say there are more people who are satisfied with minimum wage jobs and not trying for better than there were though.
That is not what I am saying.. I am saying though.. with the entitlement mantra we have.. we have more that just do not try and think it is owed to them... and that we have a larger unskilled labor force because of it
The case against mandating any minimum wage has been made repeatedly. Libs just refuse to acknowledge the reality that one of their sacred cow issues is really an economic albatross.
TSAB is right, in for a dime, in for a dollar. If we insist on raising the minimum wage a measly couple of bucks, why not just shoot for the moon and demand $500/hr?
Why do you think minimum wage workers are worth less today than minimum wage workers in 1968?
Do you think there is more of a number of unskilled people for the labor force?? More people who do not put it upon themselves to train, gain skills, etc that would take them out of the unskilled labor category??
If there is more unskilled labor, of course it is worth less
Raising the minimum wage does not cause recessions.
Well raising the minimum wage to $9.00 an hour will after deducting payroll taxes leave $3,841.76 more to be spent in the economy.
What it cost the employer though is $4,478 (people seem to forget Employer matches employee's payroll taxes)
So while the employee has $3,841 more employer has $4,478 less or a loss to the economy of:$636 per employee.
If an employer with 50 employees says I'm not going to cost my business $223,912 more what will the employer do?
He will find ways to AUTOMATE and replace at least 10 employees to save the $223,000!!!
So the issue is will it cause a recession? Letting people go will NOT put money into the economy!
I'm curious...the money being spent by those making more per hour...does that money evaporate or does it stay in the economy?
RAISE THE MINIMUM WAGE
If we raise the minimum wage, jobs will be lost because if businesses have to pay higher wages they will either have to lay off workers or raise the price of their products or services.
Ya' know.....that's been said.....previous to EACH time the minimum-wage has been boosted.....and, every time it's been proven to be......
....BULLSHIT!!
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"John Schmitt finds the answer in a paper out this month for the Center for Economic and Policy Research. After reviewing the available data, he concludes that employers react to minimum wage increases by adjusting their practices in a wide range of ways, some of which can strengthen their businesses and the economy as a whole.
The GOPs doom and gloom predictions, however, are unfounded and contrary to their rhetoric, the majority of low‐wage workers are not employed by small businesses, but rather by large corporations with over 100 employees. These companies have largely recovered from the recession and can afford to pay their employees more."
