Ray Rice Is having his life assaulted by NFL!

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

There are a lot of creeps on this thread. And oddly, they all are conservatives.

You think Mike is a conservative?

Seems pretty clear to me that Mike is a retard.

 

[thereisnospoon]

What has happened to Ray Rice is a travesty of justice, it is patently unjust that he has received a lifetime suspension from the league. The assaultive behavior Ray Rice displayed in the Casino elevator was absolutely wrong and the National Football league should speak out on it and they did so with a two game suspension that probably would have cost Ray in excess of one hundred thousand dollars in salary.


The problem with our society on these domestic assault cases where there is a big media swirl around like this Ray Rice case and the Chris Brown case is it does not distinguish between cases where the perpetrator was acting out of character or to put it another way just made a mistake and cases where the perpetrator uses women like a punching bag in other words has a character problem in this area. For Ray Rice this isn't a hitting women character problem it is a problem where he lost full physical control of himself this could happen to the majority of men in America under certain circumstances. When you get past the fact Ray knocked out a women and one looks at the video carefully and with balance it is not that incriminating after Ray hit Janay the first time when they were in each others face he immediately backs up and Janay rushes him like she wants to beat his butt and then Ray gives her an upper cut and she falls to the ground this strike by Ray could fairly be characterized as reflexive an automatic defensive movement. This few moments of loss of control by Ray where no one was seriously permanently hurt should not end Ray's football career it is unfair and unjust.


The football players union should do something about the NFL's excessive punishment standard for domestic abuse. They should force the league to roll back the league's lifetime ban for one offense and make the limits be as long as no permanent severe disability has occurred to the victim: a maximum one year ban for the first offense, a maximum two year ban for the second offense and for third or more offenses a lifetime ban is permitted. Roger Goodell and the team owners are making a big mistake here with this one strike and your out standard because consider this Ray Rice is a mediocre player so his loss to the league likely won't change the future of a franchise and its team of players but eventually a super-star player is going to make a transgression in the area of domestic assault and the league because of this standard is going to be forced to end that player's career with a lifetime ban which will affect which team wins the Super-Bowl, and all those team members of the banned players team who don't get the championship will be paying a steep price with the stature and endorsements associated with a super bowl championship and the corresponding city and football fans for that team will also incur a big penalty with such a loss. Team Owners and Mr. Goodell here would benefit from opening up a dictionary and reading the definition of the word shortsighted!

Stand down....Rice is not suspended for life. The suspension is "indefinite"..And he was punished as a result of a clear violation of the morals clause in his contract.
So you're a Ravens fan....We get it.

 

[thereisnospoon]

He beat her down. If he lost control like that once he can do it again.

Society in general, and the NFL in particular, has no business rewarding that behavior. He should be behind bars, whether his wife presses charges or not.

Absolutely not. Government has no business in the private lives of its citizens. If the wife is OK with what happened, we don't need government sticking its nose and and saying otherwise, never mind judging and punishing.

Incorrect. Most states now have laws in which the victim of domestic violence does not have a choice as to file a complaint or not. In these states, domestic violence is a criminal offense. The offender is subject to arrest with or without the consent of the alleged victim.
That video is THE witness. There is no ambiguity there. Rice clocked his fiancee into another area code. And he could have killed her.
He should be charged with a crime. He should do time.

 

[Rikurzhen]

He beat her down. If he lost control like that once he can do it again.

Society in general, and the NFL in particular, has no business rewarding that behavior. He should be behind bars, whether his wife presses charges or not.

Absolutely not. Government has no business in the private lives of its citizens. If the wife is OK with what happened, we don't need government sticking its nose and and saying otherwise, never mind judging and punishing.

Incorrect. Most states now have laws in which the victim of domestic violence does not have a choice as to file a complaint or not. In these states, domestic violence is a criminal offense. The offender is subject to arrest with or without the consent of the alleged victim.
That video is THE witness. There is no ambiguity there. Rice clocked his fiancee into another area code. And he could have killed her.
He should be charged with a crime. He should do time.

I already addressed this point earlier in the thread. You can't rebut a normative position by quoting a positive position. Example: Men SHOULD be the boss. Why? Because men ARE stronger. What IS has no bearing on what SHOULD be.

 

[Papageorgio]

Yeah maybe. A "war" indicates a battle between two parties. This was a man taking physical liberties on a helpless woman and conservatives, to nobody's surprise, are defending him.

Dumb shit, I am considered a Conservative, I am not defending him. My wife is even more Conservative than I am and she isn't defending him. I have several friends that are Conservative and they aren't defending him. Nobody is surprised you are a dumb shit, not all Liberals, just speaking of you.

 

[Synthaholic]

I am told this video shows an assault. Then I hear the woman has married the man who supposedly assaulted her. I still have not heard or read any statement by the woman.

Ray Rice was due to make $10 million this year.

 

[Politico]

They have every business. Why do people lose their jobs when they state, "I believe marriage is between a man and a woman?" Because it negatively impacts the business and the business has to protect its butt. People lose their jobs for making racist comments, too.

His employer tried to keep this small and minor, but once the video went public, they had no choice. They are taking a lot of heat for trying to do it your way and HAVE to do damage control. No employer has to continue to employ someone who costs them money or hurts their business. Owners aren't even immune from the league in that regard.

Some of that might make sense if the NFL were his employer.

 

[Bush92]

What has happened to Ray Rice is a travesty of justice, it is patently unjust that he has received a lifetime suspension from the league. The assaultive behavior Ray Rice displayed in the Casino elevator was absolutely wrong and the National Football league should speak out on it and they did so with a two game suspension that probably would have cost Ray in excess of one hundred thousand dollars in salary.


The problem with our society on these domestic assault cases where there is a big media swirl around like this Ray Rice case and the Chris Brown case is it does not distinguish between cases where the perpetrator was acting out of character or to put it another way just made a mistake and cases where the perpetrator uses women like a punching bag in other words has a character problem in this area. For Ray Rice this isn't a hitting women character problem it is a problem where he lost full physical control of himself this could happen to the majority of men in America under certain circumstances. When you get past the fact Ray knocked out a women and one looks at the video carefully and with balance it is not that incriminating after Ray hit Janay the first time when they were in each others face he immediately backs up and Janay rushes him like she wants to beat his butt and then Ray gives her an upper cut and she falls to the ground this strike by Ray could fairly be characterized as reflexive an automatic defensive movement. This few moments of loss of control by Ray where no one was seriously permanently hurt should not end Ray's football career it is unfair and unjust.


The football players union should do something about the NFL's excessive punishment standard for domestic abuse. They should force the league to roll back the league's lifetime ban for one offense and make the limits be as long as no permanent severe disability has occurred to the victim: a maximum one year ban for the first offense, a maximum two year ban for the second offense and for third or more offenses a lifetime ban is permitted. Roger Goodell and the team owners are making a big mistake here with this one strike and your out standard because consider this Ray Rice is a mediocre player so his loss to the league likely won't change the future of a franchise and its team of players but eventually a super-star player is going to make a transgression in the area of domestic assault and the league because of this standard is going to be forced to end that player's career with a lifetime ban which will affect which team wins the Super-Bowl, and all those team members of the banned players team who don't get the championship will be paying a steep price with the stature and endorsements associated with a super bowl championship and the corresponding city and football fans for that team will also incur a big penalty with such a loss. Team Owners and Mr. Goodell here would benefit from opening up a dictionary and reading the definition of the word shortsighted!

I see your from Pennsylvania, I suppose you support Sandusky too? Hopefully domestic violence discussion, especially with regard to Black community, can be elevated. These players are pampered from jr. High to NFL an live in a rap culture that promotes violence toward women.

 

[candycorn]

Yeah maybe. A "war" indicates a battle between two parties. This was a man taking physical liberties on a helpless woman and conservatives, to nobody's surprise, are defending him.

Dumb shit, I am considered a Conservative, I am not defending him. My wife is even more Conservative than I am and she isn't defending him. I have several friends that are Conservative and they aren't defending him. Nobody is surprised you are a dumb shit, not all Liberals, just speaking of you.

You should take up your anger with Mojo and Mudwhistle. Of course, that would violate your code; now wouldn't it?

 

[Papageorgio]

You should take up your anger with Mojo and Mudwhistle. Of course, that would violate your code; now wouldn't it?

No anger, just tired of people's ignorance and over generalizations. As far as code, I know nothing about what you are talking about, but I'm sure it has something more to do with your idiotic over generalizations.

 

[Papageorgio]

I see your from Pennsylvania, I suppose you support Sandusky too? Hopefully domestic violence discussion, especially with regard to Black community, can be elevated. These players are pampered from jr. High to NFL an live in a rap culture that promotes violence toward women.

It's not a black or white, it is both. It is athletes getting pampered because society places a huge importance on sports and winning.

 

[Papageorgio]

They have every business. Why do people lose their jobs when they state, "I believe marriage is between a man and a woman?" Because it negatively impacts the business and the business has to protect its butt. People lose their jobs for making racist comments, too.

His employer tried to keep this small and minor, but once the video went public, they had no choice. They are taking a lot of heat for trying to do it your way and HAVE to do damage control. No employer has to continue to employ someone who costs them money or hurts their business. Owners aren't even immune from the league in that regard.

Some of that might make sense if the NFL were his employer.

The Ravens ended their contract with him. The NFL is made up of owners from 30 teams, they have all agreed not to hire Ray Rice for actions that could cause a negative light on their teams or sponsors. Legal and justified as far as I can see.

 

[Asclepias]

People dont get this is the same thing as the Sterling fiasco. They are not doing this out of some moral obligation. This potentially hurts the bottom line of the league.

 

[shart_attack]

People dont get this is the same thing as the Sterling fiasco. They are not doing this out of some moral obligation. This potentially hurts the bottom line of the league.

Would be good if Goody-Goody himself had understood that.

But alas: too little, too late now.

This will most certainly be Goody-Goody's Waterloo.

 

[Katzndogz]

The NFL is not a law enforcement agency. He hasn't been charged with anything. His employer found his conduct unacceptable and let him go. Just like the NBA found Donald Sterling ' s private telephone conversation unacceptable and forced him to sell the Clippers. Even if his wife forgives and forgets. Even if his wife says this was consensual contact if the employer finds this conduct unacceptable and not representative of what image the employer wants to project Rice can be fired and he was.

 

[Katzndogz]

The issue goes further than this one incident. The NFL has a real problem with black footballers beating up women. The other two got away with it. Because there was a video tape Rice's number came up and a line was drawn.

 

[MikeK]

I see your from Pennsylvania, I suppose you support Sandusky too?[...]

I have no interest in football or those who play that game, and if the fiancee/wife of Ray Rice charges him with assault I believe he should be prosecuted for it, but I believe your comparison of what Rice did to Sandusky's history of serial molestation is too extreme to be valid.

I am told this video shows an assault. Then I hear the woman has married the man who supposedly assaulted her. I still have not heard or read any statement by the woman.

Ray Rice was due to make $10 million this year.

If that is her motivation for wishing to remain his punching bag I have no problem with it. I am strongly in favor of legalizing prostitution and her willingness to tolerate being knocked out now and then is nothing more or less than an exotic form of prostitution -- obliquely categorical to what prizefighters subject themselves to for money.

And my whole point is if she is willing to put up with it it's her business, not ours.

 

[Mojo2]

He beat her down. If he lost control like that once he can do it again.

Society in general, and the NFL in particular, has no business rewarding that behavior. He should be behind bars, whether his wife presses charges or not.

Putting him in prison won't prevent him from losing control again.

If she did the same to me I might have reacted as he did.

But I have a clean criminal record.

The young man made a mistake.

Answer me this: Taking him out of his only profession and making him live as best he can with his non-football playing job skills is more likely or less likely to push him toward a life of crime?

People make mistakes all the time.
And people pay for them.

To answer your question, neither. He was paid very handsomely for his services. Besides if he was in prison (where he belongs for assault) it would be a moot point.

And you LOVE Obama.

 

[Cav Scout]

What has happened to Ray Rice is a travesty of justice, it is patently unjust that he has received a lifetime suspension from the league. The assaultive behavior Ray Rice displayed in the Casino elevator was absolutely wrong and the National Football league should speak out on it and they did so with a two game suspension that probably would have cost Ray in excess of one hundred thousand dollars in salary.


The problem with our society on these domestic assault cases where there is a big media swirl around like this Ray Rice case and the Chris Brown case is it does not distinguish between cases where the perpetrator was acting out of character or to put it another way just made a mistake and cases where the perpetrator uses women like a punching bag in other words has a character problem in this area. For Ray Rice this isn't a hitting women character problem it is a problem where he lost full physical control of himself this could happen to the majority of men in America under certain circumstances. When you get past the fact Ray knocked out a women and one looks at the video carefully and with balance it is not that incriminating after Ray hit Janay the first time when they were in each others face he immediately backs up and Janay rushes him like she wants to beat his butt and then Ray gives her an upper cut and she falls to the ground this strike by Ray could fairly be characterized as reflexive an automatic defensive movement. This few moments of loss of control by Ray where no one was seriously permanently hurt should not end Ray's football career it is unfair and unjust.


The football players union should do something about the NFL's excessive punishment standard for domestic abuse. They should force the league to roll back the league's lifetime ban for one offense and make the limits be as long as no permanent severe disability has occurred to the victim: a maximum one year ban for the first offense, a maximum two year ban for the second offense and for third or more offenses a lifetime ban is permitted. Roger Goodell and the team owners are making a big mistake here with this one strike and your out standard because consider this Ray Rice is a mediocre player so his loss to the league likely won't change the future of a franchise and its team of players but eventually a super-star player is going to make a transgression in the area of domestic assault and the league because of this standard is going to be forced to end that player's career with a lifetime ban which will affect which team wins the Super-Bowl, and all those team members of the banned players team who don't get the championship will be paying a steep price with the stature and endorsements associated with a super bowl championship and the corresponding city and football fans for that team will also incur a big penalty with such a loss. Team Owners and Mr. Goodell here would benefit from opening up a dictionary and reading the definition of the word shortsighted!

If Ray Rice was married to my daughter he would have received a suspension from living. Screw his stupid ass.

 

[Mojo2]

If hitting a woman seems wrong to you, ask yourself if dropping bombs on women is too. If you think ISIS needs bombs dropped on them, women are gonna get liquified along with their men. Why doesn't that upset you, but a punch to one's face is the worst thing ever?

Pfft...not the same thing and you know it.

You don't have a choice in war and if these women are hanging around with terrorists, they are likely of the same mindset and thusly pose a possible threat.

Last I checked, Ray Rice's spouse was no threat to anyone.

Except to Ray. You saw her charging at him like she was going to kick his ass?

Whether she would or could have hurt him is besides the point.

In a split second his instincts kicked in and that's all she wrote!

SHE WAS TRYING TO ASSAULT HIM.

That is the legal definition of assault.

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Share: Common Law, an intentional act by one person that creates an apprehension in another of an imminent harmful or offensive contact. An assault is carried out by a threat of bodily harm coupled with an apparent, present ability to cause the harm. It is both a crime and a tort and, therefore, may result in either criminal or civil liability. Generally, the common law definition is the same in criminal and Tort Law. There is, however, an additional Criminal Law category of assault consisting of an attempted but unsuccessful Battery. Statutory definitions of assault in the various jurisdictions throughout the United States are not substantially different from the common-law definition.

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