Ray Rice Is having his life assaulted by NFL!

[MikeK]

Should anyone expect any different behavior from a sport dominated by ghetto culture?
What's funny is the ho married him AFTER he slugged her and now she's defending her man! She wants that money!

That's one possibility. It also could be a sado/masochistic love relationship -- which is not at all uncommon.

New York City police officers respond to numerous domestic violence calls every day. Any of those cops will tell you that in most cases when they attempt to arrest the man the woman will, sometimes violently, interfere. And there are some situations in which they are called to the same residence on a regular basis.

While we are assuming this Ray incident is an example of criminal wife-beating it could be business as usual with this couple. The pivotal factor is whether or not she has charged him with assaulting her. If she didn't make any charge, whether it's because of money or because of some deviant component in their relationship, it's their business and no one else's.

 

[MikeK]

A character flaw? It was a crime, pure and simple. Six months in jail and anger management classes would help. As for women defending those that beat them, they do so because:
1. The husband is the bread winner and when their husband goes to jail, the income stops.
2. They think that after he apologizes and promises that he loves her and won't ever do it again, that he speaks the truth. What generally happens is that he does eventually do it again, and again.
That's why they have shelters in the cities for battered women.
Some of the battered women are eventually beaten to death by their husbands.
Most likely, Rice will eventually punch her again.

Unless the alleged and presumably competent victim signs a complaint, or there is evidence in the form of substantial injury and witness testimony, how can there be a criminal charge? The fact is Janay married Rice shortly after the alleged "assault." What we saw in that rather vague video could be roughhouse playing, something they do all the time, and an accidental slip & fall.

 

[Tresha91203]

What was his reaction to seeing his fiancé out cold? Remorse? Horror? Shame? Did he pick her up? I'm afraid I can't watch the video. I heard he drug her half out of the elevator face down and it was finally bystanders that came to her aid. If that is true, that was not just a reflex. I've smacked someone out of reflex and was immediately horrified, in tears and repeating "I'm so sorry! I didn't mean to!" I'm a girl, not a male tough guy, but surely there would be some indication of shock and regret if this were the first time.

Also, if she hit him, she also committed a crime. Is it true she hit him first? I just don't want to watch it if what I hear is true so don't really want to fact check this one.

 

[Rikurzhen]

What was his reaction to seeing his fiancé out cold? Remorse? Horror? Shame? Did he pick her up? I'm afraid I can't watch the video. I heard he drug her half out of the elevator face down and it was finally bystanders that came to her aid. If that is true, that was not just a reflex. I've smacked someone out of reflex and was immediately horrified, in tears and repeating "I'm so sorry! I didn't mean to!" I'm a girl, not a male tough guy, but surely there would be some indication of shock and regret if this were the first time.

Also, if she hit him, she also committed a crime. Is it true she hit him first? I just don't want to watch it if what I hear is true so don't really want to fact check this one.

What's undeniable is that this punishment is visiting more harm on that family than his behavior did that night. This is a classic case of cutting off the nose to spite the face.

 

[Tresha91203]

I don't necessarily think so. Actions have consequences. If a mother of a young child commits a felony, is it the justice system that caused her family great harm? I think it is the mother that did that. Prison is an expected consequence.

No doubt the family is suffering, but that is all on the parent(s), IMO. Role models cause harm to a great many if they get a slap on the wrist for actions others would go to jail for. How many kids would think they can do the same and how hurt are they when they end up in jail?

 

[WinterBorn]

He beat her down. If he lost control like that once he can do it again.

Society in general, and the NFL in particular, has no business rewarding that behavior. He should be behind bars, whether his wife presses charges or not.

Absolutely not. Government has no business in the private lives of its citizens. If the wife is OK with what happened, we don't need government sticking its nose and and saying otherwise, never mind judging and punishing.

In most states, if the cops come out for a domestic abuse call someone is going to jail. The fact that this woman is ok with what happened does not change what happened.

 

[Rikurzhen]

He beat her down. If he lost control like that once he can do it again.

Society in general, and the NFL in particular, has no business rewarding that behavior. He should be behind bars, whether his wife presses charges or not.

Absolutely not. Government has no business in the private lives of its citizens. If the wife is OK with what happened, we don't need government sticking its nose and and saying otherwise, never mind judging and punishing.

In most states, if the cops come out for a domestic abuse call someone is going to jail. The fact that this woman is ok with what happened does not change what happened.

I've argued with a SHOULD and you've responded with an IS. Your IS doesn't inform the SHOULD. For instance, men ARE stronger than women, therefore they SHOULD lead in society.

You telling me that police arrest men on domestic disturbance disputes is just a statement of what police procedures are with respect to how police interpret the law. The entire reason behind legal evolution or legal reform is a group of people advance a SHOULD argument and the law (IS) gets changed.

 

[WinterBorn]

The NFL enjoys the tax status as a nonprofit organization. The organization has decided not to reward violent behavior. I think they have done the right thing. Anyone pitying this thugs is welcome to open their doors to this couple, since, by the way people are talking, they are now destitute.

 

[WinterBorn]

He beat her down. If he lost control like that once he can do it again.

Society in general, and the NFL in particular, has no business rewarding that behavior. He should be behind bars, whether his wife presses charges or not.

Absolutely not. Government has no business in the private lives of its citizens. If the wife is OK with what happened, we don't need government sticking its nose and and saying otherwise, never mind judging and punishing.

In most states, if the cops come out for a domestic abuse call someone is going to jail. The fact that this woman is ok with what happened does not change what happened.

I've argued with a SHOULD and you've responded with an IS. Your IS doesn't inform the SHOULD. For instance, men ARE stronger than women, therefore they SHOULD lead in society.

You telling me that police arrest men on domestic disturbance disputes is just a statement of what police procedures are with respect to how police interpret the law. The entire reason behind legal evolution or legal reform is a group of people advance a SHOULD argument and the law (IS) gets changed.

Or my statement shows that the law sees that women will often defend their abuser, and the state takes the stance that the abuser should be punished, regardless of the whether the wife is willing to press charges or not.

 

[Rikurzhen]

He beat her down. If he lost control like that once he can do it again.

Society in general, and the NFL in particular, has no business rewarding that behavior. He should be behind bars, whether his wife presses charges or not.

Absolutely not. Government has no business in the private lives of its citizens. If the wife is OK with what happened, we don't need government sticking its nose and and saying otherwise, never mind judging and punishing.

In most states, if the cops come out for a domestic abuse call someone is going to jail. The fact that this woman is ok with what happened does not change what happened.

I've argued with a SHOULD and you've responded with an IS. Your IS doesn't inform the SHOULD. For instance, men ARE stronger than women, therefore they SHOULD lead in society.

You telling me that police arrest men on domestic disturbance disputes is just a statement of what police procedures are with respect to how police interpret the law. The entire reason behind legal evolution or legal reform is a group of people advance a SHOULD argument and the law (IS) gets changed.

Or my statement shows that the law sees that women will often defend their abuser, and the state takes the stance that the abuser should be punished, regardless of the whether the wife is willing to press charges or not.

So then we have an intrusive government interfering in a marriage and causing harm that neither partner in the marriage want. Government knows better than the two married people.

Weren't you on the other side of this debate, my side, when we were talking about intrusive government in the surveillance thread?

 

[Politico]

That skid mark deserves everything he gets.

The victim (now his wife) is defending him.....If she doesn't care, why should we?

What confuses me is who has charged Ray with assault? The woman he is alleged to have assaulted married him shortly after the incident in the elevator. Did she say he assaulted her? If she says they were roughhouse playing and she slipped, fell, and was knocked out the worst that could come of it is a charge of disorderly conduct by both parties -- but only if the Casino chose to make that charge.

Did Ray sink his own boat by already admitting to too many individuals that he assaulted her? Even if he did it's not too late to withdraw that and for both to say it was all just playful misconduct. It really depends on what she says. No complaint, no charge.

A court of law did. And he was acquitted.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

What has happened to Ray Rice is a travesty of justice, it is patently unjust that he has received a lifetime suspension from the league. The assaultive behavior Ray Rice displayed in the Casino elevator was absolutely wrong and the National Football league should speak out on it and they did so with a two game suspension that probably would have cost Ray in excess of one hundred thousand dollars in salary.


The problem with our society on these domestic assault cases where there is a big media swirl around like this Ray Rice case and the Chris Brown case is it does not distinguish between cases where the perpetrator was acting out of character or to put it another way just made a mistake and cases where the perpetrator uses women like a punching bag in other words has a character problem in this area. For Ray Rice this isn't a hitting women character problem it is a problem where he lost full physical control of himself this could happen to the majority of men in America under certain circumstances. When you get past the fact Ray knocked out a women and one looks at the video carefully and with balance it is not that incriminating after Ray hit Janay the first time when they were in each others face he immediately backs up and Janay rushes him like she wants to beat his butt and then Ray gives her an upper cut and she falls to the ground this strike by Ray could fairly be characterized as reflexive an automatic defensive movement. This few moments of loss of control by Ray where no one was seriously permanently hurt should not end Ray's football career it is unfair and unjust.


The football players union should do something about the NFL's excessive punishment standard for domestic abuse. They should force the league to roll back the league's lifetime ban for one offense and make the limits be as long as no permanent severe disability has occurred to the victim: a maximum one year ban for the first offense, a maximum two year ban for the second offense and for third or more offenses a lifetime ban is permitted. Roger Goodell and the team owners are making a big mistake here with this one strike and your out standard because consider this Ray Rice is a mediocre player so his loss to the league likely won't change the future of a franchise and its team of players but eventually a super-star player is going to make a transgression in the area of domestic assault and the league because of this standard is going to be forced to end that player's career with a lifetime ban which will affect which team wins the Super-Bowl, and all those team members of the banned players team who don't get the championship will be paying a steep price with the stature and endorsements associated with a super bowl championship and the corresponding city and football fans for that team will also incur a big penalty with such a loss. Team Owners and Mr. Goodell here would benefit from opening up a dictionary and reading the definition of the word shortsighted!

Okay wait a second, I was unaware he's received a lifetime ban. Last I heard he was suspended indefinitely, which could mean just about anything.

 

[Iceweasel]

I heard he has a promising career in women's boxing.

 

[bodecea]

He beat her down. If he lost control like that once he can do it again.

Society in general, and the NFL in particular, has no business rewarding that behavior. He should be behind bars, whether his wife presses charges or not.

Putting him in prison won't prevent him from losing control again.

If she did the same to me I might have reacted as he did.

But I have a clean criminal record.

The young man made a mistake.

Answer me this: Taking him out of his only profession and making him live as best he can with his non-football playing job skills is more likely or less likely to push him toward a life of crime?

Oh?

 

[dannyboys]

The victim (now his wife) is defending him.....If she doesn't care, why should we?

She's shit-scared that the 'gravy train' will be derailed.
Now that the ******, and yes that is what he is........not a Black man.......whole different race, has been banned I give the 'marriage' less than three months. She'll 'come to her senses'.
She'll fade away and try to find another gravy train faster than a fart in the wind.

The OP suggests that only after a ****** assaults a woman three times should the ****** get a lifetime ban.
Why not make the number six times instead? They are Black afterall so no one ought to expect too much from them in the way of acting like normal people right?
Anyway. The ****** is gone. Good fucking riddance.

 

[dannyboys]

He beat her down. If he lost control like that once he can do it again.

Society in general, and the NFL in particular, has no business rewarding that behavior. He should be behind bars, whether his wife presses charges or not.

Absolutely not. Government has no business in the private lives of its citizens. If the wife is OK with what happened, we don't need government sticking its nose and and saying otherwise, never mind judging and punishing.

So the "Government" imposed the lifetime ban? You need to sober up pal.

 

[Darkwind]

He beat her down. If he lost control like that once he can do it again.

Society in general, and the NFL in particular, has no business rewarding that behavior. He should be behind bars, whether his wife presses charges or not.

So, you are for a lifetime sentence for striking your wife?

Take care. This reply in no way condones the actions of girly-men who can only feel big by hitting women, but I am asking you if you think that the punishment for such an act should be life in prison.

 

[WinterBorn]

He beat her down. If he lost control like that once he can do it again.

Society in general, and the NFL in particular, has no business rewarding that behavior. He should be behind bars, whether his wife presses charges or not.

Absolutely not. Government has no business in the private lives of its citizens. If the wife is OK with what happened, we don't need government sticking its nose and and saying otherwise, never mind judging and punishing.

In most states, if the cops come out for a domestic abuse call someone is going to jail. The fact that this woman is ok with what happened does not change what happened.

I've argued with a SHOULD and you've responded with an IS. Your IS doesn't inform the SHOULD. For instance, men ARE stronger than women, therefore they SHOULD lead in society.

You telling me that police arrest men on domestic disturbance disputes is just a statement of what police procedures are with respect to how police interpret the law. The entire reason behind legal evolution or legal reform is a group of people advance a SHOULD argument and the law (IS) gets changed.

Or my statement shows that the law sees that women will often defend their abuser, and the state takes the stance that the abuser should be punished, regardless of the whether the wife is willing to press charges or not.

So then we have an intrusive government interfering in a marriage and causing harm that neither partner in the marriage want. Government knows better than the two married people.

Weren't you on the other side of this debate, my side, when we were talking about intrusive government in the surveillance thread?

The gov't should not sit idly by while someone is abused.

There are many reasons why the abused spouse does not leave. Here are some women listing reasons:

19 WhyIStayed Tweets That Everyone Needs to See - Mic

 

[WinterBorn]

He beat her down. If he lost control like that once he can do it again.

Society in general, and the NFL in particular, has no business rewarding that behavior. He should be behind bars, whether his wife presses charges or not.

So, you are for a lifetime sentence for striking your wife?

Take care. This reply in no way condones the actions of girly-men who can only feel big by hitting women, but I am asking you if you think that the punishment for such an act should be life in prison.

I see no problem with an organization deciding that they will not associate themselves with such behavior.

No one has said anything about life in prison. He has been told he cannot play in the NFL. There is a huge difference.

 

[Darkwind]

He beat her down. If he lost control like that once he can do it again.

Society in general, and the NFL in particular, has no business rewarding that behavior. He should be behind bars, whether his wife presses charges or not.

So, you are for a lifetime sentence for striking your wife?

Take care. This reply in no way condones the actions of girly-men who can only feel big by hitting women, but I am asking you if you think that the punishment for such an act should be life in prison.

I see no problem with an organization deciding that they will not associate themselves with such behavior.

No one has said anything about life in prison. He has been told he cannot play in the NFL. There is a huge difference.

A lifetime ban and a life prison sentence. In both cases, the punishment is extreme.

Answer the question. Should a person be sentenced to life in prison for striking their wife? Or better yet, striking their spouse, as women do hit first in some situations.