Reagan: Twenty five year later Mr. Gorbachev, Tear down this wall

[Stratford57]

Here's a picture of Ronnie and a representative of all those that voted for him.

Sorry, I may not understand everything well, I was raised in different country. That particular "representative" at the picture is a future president of the USA??? How nice, the former and the future presidents together...

 

[Ravi]

Here's a picture of Ronnie and a representative of all those that voted for him.

Sorry, I may not understand everything well, I was raised in different country. That particular "representative" at the picture is a future president of the USA???

No, but I'm not surprised that that is what you thought. Thanks for proving my point.

 

[JoeB131]

The jobs Reagan created paid less than the ones he lost when he ran up unemployment to beat inflation.

Prove it.

i thought you were ignoring me because of all the times I whipped you like a little bitch.

Like this.

Reagan s Real Legacy The Nation

During his two terms in the White House (1981–89), Reagan presided over a widening gap between the rich and everyone else, declining wages and living standards for working families, an assault on labor unions as a vehicle to lift Americans into the middle class, a dramatic increase in poverty and homelessness, and the consolidation and deregulation of the financial industry that led to the current mortgage meltdown, foreclosure epidemic and lingering recession.

These trends were not caused by inevitable social and economic forces. They resulted from Reagan’s policy and political choices based on an underlying “you’re on your own” ideology.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Here's a picture of Ronnie and a representative of all those that voted for him.

Sorry, I may not understand everything well, I was raised in different country. That particular "representative" at the picture is a future president of the USA??? How nice, the former and the future presidents together...

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Sent from smartphone using my wits and Taptalk

 

[Dad2three]

The jobs Reagan created paid less than the ones he lost when he ran up unemployment to beat inflation.

Prove it.

Not-Quite-So-Good Times Off Wall Street


But the expansion of stockownership to nearly 30% of American households still left more than two-thirds of the country shut out of direct benefits from the great bull market of the Age of Reagan. For the 70% of American households that still lacked any stake at all in the stock market, the Reagan economy was not quite so lustrous as it seemed to those enjoying the fruits of rising equity values. Real wages, which had increased steadily from 1945 to 1972 but then stalled through the stagflation era, remained flat through the 1980s as well. Unemployment declined from the atrocious highs of the late 1970s and early 1980s, but the high-paying blue-collar industrial jobs that had been the mainstay of the midcentury economy continued to disappear. (It's important to note that this process began long before Reagan came into office, however.) In short, the economic outlook for middle- and working-class families who depended on wages for their incomes was somewhat better than it had been during the bleak 1970s, but still significantly worse than it had been during the 1950s and '60s.


The uneven distribution of benefits from the Reagan boom reflected a growing trend toward what has been called the "financialization" of the American economy. As the financial sector displaced industrial manufacturing as the dominant economic force in American society, the gains from growth came to accrue almost entirely to those with major investments in the market, while individuals dependent solely upon wages and salaries found it harder and harder to get ahead. During Ronald Reagan's presidency, the wealthiest one-fifth of American households (those who naturally owned the most stock) saw their incomes increase by 14%. Meanwhile, the poorest one-fifth (who presumably owned no stock) endured an income decline of 24%, while the incomes of the middle three-fifths of American families stayed more or less flat. This uneven pattern represented a marked departure from the earlier economic expansions of the 1940s, '50s, and '60s, which had generated smaller returns for investors but raised income levels across all classes of society.


Economy in The Reagan Era

 

[Dad2three]

'A referendum on the Act of Declaration of Independence was held in Ukraine on 1 December 1991 A majority of 92.3% of voters approved the declaration of independence made by the Verkhovna Rada on 24 August 1991.'

Wake up, we are in a new century now
By the way, after World War 2 Stalin, Churchill and Roosevelt signed up an agreement: all the countries must stay in the same borders forever. According to that separation of Ukraine (and other republics) from the USSR was illegitimate.

Weird, you a guy who goes by agreements? lol

WHAT WAS THE OUTCOME OF THE REFERENDUM AGAIN? lol

 

[Dad2three]

Hard line Communist supporters hate Reagan for freeing all those people and defeating Soviet Communism

Said a low info con

 

[Dad2three]

The libs hate Reagan because of his proven policies that worked. You can't argue with success, you either embrace it or lie your ass off and hope someone believes you.

Job growth under Reagan vs. obama

01/1981 - Unemployment rate 7.5% …. Reagan sworn in.
02/1981 - 7.4%
03/1981 - 7.4%
04/1981 - 7.2%
05/1981 - 7.5%
06/1981 - 7.5%
07/1981 - 7.2%
08/1981 - 7.4% * Reagan CUTS taxes for top 1% and says unemployment will DROP to 6.9%.
09/1981 - 7.6%
10/1981 - 7.9%
11/1981 - 8.3%
12/1981 - 8.5%

01/1982 - 8.6%
02/1982 - 8.9%
03/1982 - 9.0%
04/1982 - 9.3%
05/1982 - 9.4%
06/1982 - 9.6%
07/1982 - 9.8%
08/1982 - 9.8%
09/1982 - 10.1%
10/1982 - 10.4%
11/1982 - 10.8% * Unemployment HITS a post WW2 RECORD of 10.8%.
12/1982 - 10.8%

01/1983 - 10.4%
02/1983 - 10.4%
03/1983 - 10.3%
04/1983 - 10.3%
05/1983 - 10.1%
06/1983 - 10.1%
07/1983 - 9.4%
06/1983 - 9.5%
07/1983 - 9.4%
08/1983 - 9.5%
09/1983 - 9.2%
10/1983 - 8.8%
11/1983 - 8.5%
12/1983 - 8.3%

01/1984 - 8.0%
02/1984 - 7.8%


It took Reagan 28 MONTHS to get unemployment rate back down below 8 percent.

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data


AGAIN, CARTER HAD 9+ MILLION PRIVATE SECTOR JOBS GROWTH IN 4 YEARS VERSUS 14 MILLION FOR REAGAN'S 8

Jan 1979 65,636,000
Jan 1981 74,677,000

INCREASE OF 9,041,000 Total private IN 4 YEARS

Jan 1981 74,677,000
Jan 1989 89,394,000

14,717,00 Total private IN 8 YEARS

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

 

[Dad2three]

The libs hate Reagan because of his proven policies that worked. You can't argue with success, you either embrace it or lie your ass off and hope someone believes you.

Job growth under Reagan vs. obama

What if Obama spent like Reagan?

: How does government spending and investment during Obama's first term compare to Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush's first terms? The answer is poorly. Whereas total government spending dropped in 10 out of the 16 quarters that comprised Obama's first term, it rose in 13 out of Reagan's first 16 quarters, and 13 out of Bush's first 16 quarters.

Or, to put it differently, over Obama's first term, falling government spending and investment snipped, on average, .11 percentage points of GDP off of (annualized) quarterly growth. During Reagan's first term, it added .68 percentage points, and during Bush's first term, it added .52 percentage points

.

The point isn't that Reagan and Bush were big spenders while Obama favors austerity. If it were up to Obama, the federal government would have spent much more since 2010. Moreover, these numbers are, in large part, functions of the economies the three men inherited. Each saw a recession in their first term, but Obama's was by far the worst, and so it led to much more severe cutbacks in state and local spending.


Charts What if Obama spent like Reagan - The Washington Post

 

[Dad2three]

a lot pictures with the article at the site

SNIP:
Putin trying to put the wall back up while Obama dithers and golfs.


Via NY Post:
Reagan Hits The Wall

……. Long before the Wall came down physically, an American president had inflicted the fatal blow when he used the one thing Communism never could deal with: the truth, spoken aloud and publicly.
That president’s name was Ronald Reagan, who sealed the Wall’s fate when he went to Berlin and issued his famous call: “Mr. Gorbahev, tear down this wall.” Even for him it hadn’t started there.
Early on in his presidency he had told a friend his strategy for the Cold War: “We win, and they lose.” [...]
So as the world marks this wonderful victory for freedom, let no one make the mistake of speaking of the “fall of the Berlin Wall.”
The Berlin Wall came down because it was pulled down.
Via Stars and Stripes

ALL of it here:
Reagan 8220 Mr. Gorbachev Tear Down This Wall 8221 Germany Marks 25 Years Since Fall Of Berlin Wall Weasel Zippers

I was too young to remember Kennedy Berlin speech, but that was greatest speech of my lifetime. Reagan essentially directed Gorbachev to tear down the wall, and lo and behold, in due course the wall and indeed the USSR came tumbling down. I was fortunate enough to remember that period well.

Easily the greatest president in living memory.

The presidency of Ronald Reagan in the United States was marked by multiple scandals, resulting in the investigation, indictment, or conviction of over 138 administration officials, the largest number for any US president

Reagan administration scandals - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[Dad2three]

The people of Eastern Europe build statues honoring the great man who set them free: Ronald Reagan. He called Communism a failure and promised to defeat it as an empire and an ideology. Some people are still fuming that first, he had the courage and wisdom to call Communism a failure, second he vowed to defeat it and third, that he succeeded. All in the space of a 2 Presidential terms.

Can you imagine the freedom and prosperity we could unleash here in the USA by turning away from the flawed, failed "You didn't build that!" ideology and embracing free enterprise and entrepreneurship?

YOU MEAN LIKE 8 YEARS OF DUBYA/GOP POLICY??? lol

How did those 'job creator' policies work out? Dubya lost1,000,000+ PRIVATE sector jopbs in 8 years. Obama has a NET of 7,000,000+




Bureau of Labor Statistics Data



Dec 2007

The Economic Consequences of Mr. Bush

The next president will have to deal with yet another crippling legacy of George W. Bush: the economy. A Nobel laureate, Joseph E. Stiglitz, sees a generation-long struggle to recoup.
The Economic Consequences of Mr. Bush Vanity Fair

 

[Dad2three]

The Whitewashing of Ronald Reagan

Did Reagan end the Cold War? Immediately after the Berlin Wall fell, a USA Today survey found that only 14% of respondents believed that. Historians mostly credit forty years of “Containment” by eight U.S. presidents. As Tony Judt’s Postwar concluded: “…Washington did not ‘bring down’ Communism – Communism imploded of its own accord.”

Yes....and they expanded into, Vietnam, Afghanistan, and latin America under those 8 Presidents....communism was fine as long as they didn't have to worry about the U.S. standing up to them...once someone did....then they came apart....

No wars since right? *shaking head*

 

[Meathead]

a lot pictures with the article at the site

SNIP:
Putin trying to put the wall back up while Obama dithers and golfs.


Via NY Post:
Reagan Hits The Wall

……. Long before the Wall came down physically, an American president had inflicted the fatal blow when he used the one thing Communism never could deal with: the truth, spoken aloud and publicly.
That president’s name was Ronald Reagan, who sealed the Wall’s fate when he went to Berlin and issued his famous call: “Mr. Gorbahev, tear down this wall.” Even for him it hadn’t started there.
Early on in his presidency he had told a friend his strategy for the Cold War: “We win, and they lose.” [...]
So as the world marks this wonderful victory for freedom, let no one make the mistake of speaking of the “fall of the Berlin Wall.”
The Berlin Wall came down because it was pulled down.
Via Stars and Stripes

ALL of it here:
Reagan 8220 Mr. Gorbachev Tear Down This Wall 8221 Germany Marks 25 Years Since Fall Of Berlin Wall Weasel Zippers

I was too young to remember Kennedy Berlin speech, but that was greatest speech of my lifetime. Reagan essentially directed Gorbachev to tear down the wall, and lo and behold, in due course the wall and indeed the USSR came tumbling down. I was fortunate enough to remember that period well.

Easily the greatest president in living memory.

The presidency of Ronald Reagan in the United States was marked by multiple scandals, resulting in the investigation, indictment, or conviction of over 138 administration officials, the largest number for any US president

Reagan administration scandals - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

We know, and yet he was the most inspirational, consequential and effective president in living memory both domestically and internationally. Nothing can or could change that.

 

[theHawk]

Oh gawd you know the Progressives have lost their minds when they are acutally arguing that Carter had better economic policy than Reagan.

Completely delusional.

 

[Iceweasel]

It took Reagan 28 MONTHS to get unemployment rate back down below 8 percent.

Those were real numbers though, not obama fluffer numbers. I am always amused at libs trying to tell me how it was. I'll stick to reality, thanks.

 

[Iceweasel]

The presidency of Ronald Reagan in the United States was marked by multiple scandals, resulting in the investigation, indictment, or conviction of over 138 administration officials, the largest number for any US president

The Republicans don't have the Senate yet so the obama scandals are yet to come. Far worse and obama likely tied directly to them. The IRS corruption alone is much worse than anything that happened during Reagan's term. Government targeting political opponents is almost as bad as it gets. They would need to line them up and shoot them to make it any worse.

 

[JoeB131]

The presidency of Ronald Reagan in the United States was marked by multiple scandals, resulting in the investigation, indictment, or conviction of over 138 administration officials, the largest number for any US president

The Republicans don't have the Senate yet so the obama scandals are yet to come. Far worse and obama likely tied directly to them. The IRS corruption alone is much worse than anything that happened during Reagan's term. Government targeting political opponents is almost as bad as it gets. They would need to line them up and shoot them to make it any worse.

You mean the IRS did it's job and questioned tax fraud? Isn't that what they are supposed to do?

 

[Iceweasel]

You mean the IRS did it's job and questioned tax fraud? Isn't that what they are supposed to do?

If you don't know you are way too stupid to talk to.

 

[JoeB131]

You mean the IRS did it's job and questioned tax fraud? Isn't that what they are supposed to do?

If you don't know you are way too stupid to talk to.

No, stupid is thinking Karl Rove and the Koch Brothers were really engaged in a "social welfare" agency when they were doing politics.

 

[Iceweasel]

stupid is thinking Karl Rove and the Koch Brothers were really engaged in a "social welfare" agency when they were doing politics.

Stupid is thinking those were the targets. Try every conservative group and only a few liberal groups.