“Redistribute the wealth”

[Wyatt earp]

Higher paid labor pays more in taxes and creates more in demand.

Tax breaks to billionaires sees the money go to Panama. Tax breaks for the poorest sees the money immediately recycled into the economy.
I struggle with the mindset of people who dont want poorly paid workers to get a bit more.

We do want them to get more, just not more of our money.

Question: how do we ever teach irresponsible people to be responsible if no matter what they do, we give them a way out?

Have kids you can't afford, we will feed them, give them medical care, and even baby sit for them if you have a job.

Dropped out of school or didn't pay attention; on dope? Have government subsidize your low pay.

Don't feel much like working. Go on our social programs.

Is it any wonder why there are poor people when we keep rewarding them to be poor?

Living on benefits is no life. Benefits/welfare is a corporate handout. But the majority of people having benefits are in work.. Here is the thing. If you cant feed yourself and put a roof over your head wen you are working full time then there is something wrong in society.
Its not the individual it is the job. Because even if the individual moves on the job remains.
Corporations can only pay shit wages because the tax payer is on hand to bail them out. That cant be right.

So it boils down to a very simple proposition.

We pay people a living wage as a minimum. Profits would have to come down a bit and we may have to pay a bit more for stuff.

Or we see people take starvation wages that are subsidised by the taxpayer at the request of the corporate donors.

At the moment its just a racket and our society is crumbling because of it.

Well you just stumbled on the simple solution to get companies to pay a living wage..


Get rid of the subsidised welfare for people that work, a company would have to raise wages if no one could afford to work there .... no gas money, no bus money , no rent , money no food money. The companies would have no choice other then to close up.

Nope, The answer is to keep benefits at a level where folk are not forced to take slave wages. Your solution means they will have to work for unscrupulous employers because they have no other option.
Its all about rebalancing society.

So you want them not to work and pay them out of your own pocket?

that's enabling both parties..



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[Wyatt earp]

Get a job, start a business, pay your own bills you mooching deadbeats.

Henry Ford doubled auto worker wages. He did not whine about minimum wages. Only lousy capitalists, do that.

Yeaso they would buy his cars.


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[Wyatt earp]

special pleading dear?

we have a Constitution that provides for providing for the general welfare of the People not only the general Profit of the rich.

General welfare is when you build a road anyone can use. Personal aggrandizement is when you cut someone a check for breathing.

or being too rich to fail?

there really is a Religious technical term for that.

what problem do you have other than your inflation canard,

we really just need a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage, unemployment compensation for being unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States, and Industrial Automation to help with social costs.

/----/ What kind of blithering idiot thinks anyone can live in Southampton of $15 an hour? We need $50 minimum wage NOW.

Exactly that's like $1.75 an hour in alabama .


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[Tommy Tainant]

Tax breaks to billionaires sees the money go to Panama. Tax breaks for the poorest sees the money immediately recycled into the economy.
I struggle with the mindset of people who dont want poorly paid workers to get a bit more.

We do want them to get more, just not more of our money.

Question: how do we ever teach irresponsible people to be responsible if no matter what they do, we give them a way out?

Have kids you can't afford, we will feed them, give them medical care, and even baby sit for them if you have a job.

Dropped out of school or didn't pay attention; on dope? Have government subsidize your low pay.

Don't feel much like working. Go on our social programs.

Is it any wonder why there are poor people when we keep rewarding them to be poor?

Living on benefits is no life. Benefits/welfare is a corporate handout. But the majority of people having benefits are in work.. Here is the thing. If you cant feed yourself and put a roof over your head wen you are working full time then there is something wrong in society.
Its not the individual it is the job. Because even if the individual moves on the job remains.
Corporations can only pay shit wages because the tax payer is on hand to bail them out. That cant be right.

So it boils down to a very simple proposition.

We pay people a living wage as a minimum. Profits would have to come down a bit and we may have to pay a bit more for stuff.

Or we see people take starvation wages that are subsidised by the taxpayer at the request of the corporate donors.

At the moment its just a racket and our society is crumbling because of it.

Well you just stumbled on the simple solution to get companies to pay a living wage..


Get rid of the subsidised welfare for people that work, a company would have to raise wages if no one could afford to work there .... no gas money, no bus money , no rent , money no food money. The companies would have no choice other then to close up.

Nope, The answer is to keep benefits at a level where folk are not forced to take slave wages. Your solution means they will have to work for unscrupulous employers because they have no other option.
Its all about rebalancing society.

So you want them not to work and pay them out of your own pocket?

that's enabling both parties..



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No, everybody wants to work. I dont want to force people into jobs that pay pisstake wages. A decent minimum wage is way of addressing this.

A low minimum wage is a handout to shit employers. Make them pay a proper wage or let them go bust. We will all have to pay a little more for what we buy and decent businesses will take their place.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Higher paid labor pays more in taxes and creates more in demand.

Tax breaks to billionaires sees the money go to Panama. Tax breaks for the poorest sees the money immediately recycled into the economy.
I struggle with the mindset of people who dont want poorly paid workers to get a bit more.

We do want them to get more, just not more of our money.

Question: how do we ever teach irresponsible people to be responsible if no matter what they do, we give them a way out?

Have kids you can't afford, we will feed them, give them medical care, and even baby sit for them if you have a job.

Dropped out of school or didn't pay attention; on dope? Have government subsidize your low pay.

Don't feel much like working. Go on our social programs.

Is it any wonder why there are poor people when we keep rewarding them to be poor?

Living on benefits is no life. Benefits/welfare is a corporate handout. But the majority of people having benefits are in work.. Here is the thing. If you cant feed yourself and put a roof over your head wen you are working full time then there is something wrong in society.
Its not the individual it is the job. Because even if the individual moves on the job remains.
Corporations can only pay shit wages because the tax payer is on hand to bail them out. That cant be right.

So it boils down to a very simple proposition.

We pay people a living wage as a minimum. Profits would have to come down a bit and we may have to pay a bit more for stuff.

Or we see people take starvation wages that are subsidised by the taxpayer at the request of the corporate donors.

At the moment its just a racket and our society is crumbling because of it.

Well you just stumbled on the simple solution to get companies to pay a living wage..


Get rid of the subsidised welfare for people that work, a company would have to raise wages if no one could afford to work there .... no gas money, no bus money , no rent , money no food money. The companies would have no choice other then to close up.

Nope, The answer is to keep benefits at a level where folk are not forced to take slave wages. Your solution means they will have to work for unscrupulous employers because they have no other option.
Its all about rebalancing society.

Who is forced to take slave wages? I don't recall any story where a business was kidnapping people and forcing them to work at their company.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Tax breaks to billionaires sees the money go to Panama. Tax breaks for the poorest sees the money immediately recycled into the economy.
I struggle with the mindset of people who dont want poorly paid workers to get a bit more.

We do want them to get more, just not more of our money.

Question: how do we ever teach irresponsible people to be responsible if no matter what they do, we give them a way out?

Have kids you can't afford, we will feed them, give them medical care, and even baby sit for them if you have a job.

Dropped out of school or didn't pay attention; on dope? Have government subsidize your low pay.

Don't feel much like working. Go on our social programs.

Is it any wonder why there are poor people when we keep rewarding them to be poor?

Living on benefits is no life. Benefits/welfare is a corporate handout. But the majority of people having benefits are in work.. Here is the thing. If you cant feed yourself and put a roof over your head wen you are working full time then there is something wrong in society.
Its not the individual it is the job. Because even if the individual moves on the job remains.
Corporations can only pay shit wages because the tax payer is on hand to bail them out. That cant be right.

So it boils down to a very simple proposition.

We pay people a living wage as a minimum. Profits would have to come down a bit and we may have to pay a bit more for stuff.

Or we see people take starvation wages that are subsidised by the taxpayer at the request of the corporate donors.

At the moment its just a racket and our society is crumbling because of it.

Well you just stumbled on the simple solution to get companies to pay a living wage..


Get rid of the subsidised welfare for people that work, a company would have to raise wages if no one could afford to work there .... no gas money, no bus money , no rent , money no food money. The companies would have no choice other then to close up.

Nope, The answer is to keep benefits at a level where folk are not forced to take slave wages. Your solution means they will have to work for unscrupulous employers because they have no other option.
Its all about rebalancing society.

Who is forced to take slave wages? I don't recall any story where a business was kidnapping people and forcing them to work at their company.

If you cant get benefits you have to take what is available. Its governemnt forcing people into slave wage jobs. Its not civilised.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

We do want them to get more, just not more of our money.

Question: how do we ever teach irresponsible people to be responsible if no matter what they do, we give them a way out?

Have kids you can't afford, we will feed them, give them medical care, and even baby sit for them if you have a job.

Dropped out of school or didn't pay attention; on dope? Have government subsidize your low pay.

Don't feel much like working. Go on our social programs.

Is it any wonder why there are poor people when we keep rewarding them to be poor?

Living on benefits is no life. Benefits/welfare is a corporate handout. But the majority of people having benefits are in work.. Here is the thing. If you cant feed yourself and put a roof over your head wen you are working full time then there is something wrong in society.
Its not the individual it is the job. Because even if the individual moves on the job remains.
Corporations can only pay shit wages because the tax payer is on hand to bail them out. That cant be right.

So it boils down to a very simple proposition.

We pay people a living wage as a minimum. Profits would have to come down a bit and we may have to pay a bit more for stuff.

Or we see people take starvation wages that are subsidised by the taxpayer at the request of the corporate donors.

At the moment its just a racket and our society is crumbling because of it.

Well you just stumbled on the simple solution to get companies to pay a living wage..


Get rid of the subsidised welfare for people that work, a company would have to raise wages if no one could afford to work there .... no gas money, no bus money , no rent , money no food money. The companies would have no choice other then to close up.

Nope, The answer is to keep benefits at a level where folk are not forced to take slave wages. Your solution means they will have to work for unscrupulous employers because they have no other option.
Its all about rebalancing society.

Who is forced to take slave wages? I don't recall any story where a business was kidnapping people and forcing them to work at their company.

If you cant get benefits you have to take what is available. Its governemnt forcing people into slave wage jobs. Its not civilised.

And there are no jobs with benefits that pay higher than minimum wage?

 

[Markle]

don't know what you mean. higher paid labor pays more in Taxes. and, creates more in demand.

supply and demand doesn't cease to exist for right wing fantasy.

As you know, minimum wage workers pay no income tax.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Living on benefits is no life. Benefits/welfare is a corporate handout. But the majority of people having benefits are in work.. Here is the thing. If you cant feed yourself and put a roof over your head wen you are working full time then there is something wrong in society.
Its not the individual it is the job. Because even if the individual moves on the job remains.
Corporations can only pay shit wages because the tax payer is on hand to bail them out. That cant be right.

So it boils down to a very simple proposition.

We pay people a living wage as a minimum. Profits would have to come down a bit and we may have to pay a bit more for stuff.

Or we see people take starvation wages that are subsidised by the taxpayer at the request of the corporate donors.

At the moment its just a racket and our society is crumbling because of it.

Well you just stumbled on the simple solution to get companies to pay a living wage..


Get rid of the subsidised welfare for people that work, a company would have to raise wages if no one could afford to work there .... no gas money, no bus money , no rent , money no food money. The companies would have no choice other then to close up.

Nope, The answer is to keep benefits at a level where folk are not forced to take slave wages. Your solution means they will have to work for unscrupulous employers because they have no other option.
Its all about rebalancing society.

Who is forced to take slave wages? I don't recall any story where a business was kidnapping people and forcing them to work at their company.

If you cant get benefits you have to take what is available. Its governemnt forcing people into slave wage jobs. Its not civilised.

And there are no jobs with benefits that pay higher than minimum wage?

Ray, I understand the point you are trying to make so lets cut to it. There should be a balance of power between capital and labour that meets the needs of both parties. At the moment, and since the 80s I would say, the balance has tilted towards capital and the worker is getting screwed. Pay,holidays,benefits,contracts are all deteriorating and the threat hanging over us all is that our job will go to China or India if we kick off about it.
That is not good for the worker,their community or the wider society we would like to live in.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

don't know what you mean. higher paid labor pays more in Taxes. and, creates more in demand.

supply and demand doesn't cease to exist for right wing fantasy.

As you know, minimum wage workers pay no income tax.

Minimum wage workers tend to spend all of their income and that fuels the economy.

 

[Markle]

If you cant get benefits you have to take what is available. Its governemnt forcing people into slave wage jobs. Its not civilised.

How is the government forcing people into making bad decisions?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Well you just stumbled on the simple solution to get companies to pay a living wage..


Get rid of the subsidised welfare for people that work, a company would have to raise wages if no one could afford to work there .... no gas money, no bus money , no rent , money no food money. The companies would have no choice other then to close up.

Nope, The answer is to keep benefits at a level where folk are not forced to take slave wages. Your solution means they will have to work for unscrupulous employers because they have no other option.
Its all about rebalancing society.

Who is forced to take slave wages? I don't recall any story where a business was kidnapping people and forcing them to work at their company.

If you cant get benefits you have to take what is available. Its governemnt forcing people into slave wage jobs. Its not civilised.

And there are no jobs with benefits that pay higher than minimum wage?

Ray, I understand the point you are trying to make so lets cut to it. There should be a balance of power between capital and labour that meets the needs of both parties. At the moment, and since the 80s I would say, the balance has tilted towards capital and the worker is getting screwed. Pay,holidays,benefits,contracts are all deteriorating and the threat hanging over us all is that our job will go to China or India if we kick off about it.
That is not good for the worker,their community or the wider society we would like to live in.

Well we're not ready for Communism or Socialism. In a free country, this is how things work. If you are an employer, YOU are in charge of paying labor and benefits. If you are a worker, it's up to you to make yourself worth as much as you'd like to make.

Government has no place directing companies as to pay or benefits. It's not what our federal government is for. Just check out our Constitution!

There is an imbalance of power. It's called the Golden Rule: the man with the gold gets to make the rules.

Now if you don't like the rules, you are welcome to start your own company if you like. Let's say you worked for me in my widget factory. I was paying you 9 bucks an hour. Unhappy with that, you start your own widget company. You pay your workers 15 bucks an hour. Now how long do you suppose you'd stay in business? Who is going to buy your overpriced widgets when they can buy mine for half the price?

Rich people are not in charge of this. Corporations are not in charge of this. Government is not in charge of this. So who's in charge? The American consumer, that's who.

 

[Markle]

Minimum wage workers tend to spend all of their income and that fuels the economy.

How often do minimum wage workers eat out at a nice restaurant? Other than when their dad takes the family out to eat.

How many boats, motorcycles, or other toys do they buy? Unless dad or mom buys it for them.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Nope, The answer is to keep benefits at a level where folk are not forced to take slave wages. Your solution means they will have to work for unscrupulous employers because they have no other option.
Its all about rebalancing society.

Who is forced to take slave wages? I don't recall any story where a business was kidnapping people and forcing them to work at their company.

If you cant get benefits you have to take what is available. Its governemnt forcing people into slave wage jobs. Its not civilised.

And there are no jobs with benefits that pay higher than minimum wage?

Ray, I understand the point you are trying to make so lets cut to it. There should be a balance of power between capital and labour that meets the needs of both parties. At the moment, and since the 80s I would say, the balance has tilted towards capital and the worker is getting screwed. Pay,holidays,benefits,contracts are all deteriorating and the threat hanging over us all is that our job will go to China or India if we kick off about it.
That is not good for the worker,their community or the wider society we would like to live in.

Well we're not ready for Communism or Socialism. In a free country, this is how things work. If you are an employer, YOU are in charge of paying labor and benefits. If you are a worker, it's up to you to make yourself worth as much as you'd like to make.

Government has no place directing companies as to pay or benefits. It's not what our federal government is for. Just check out our Constitution!

There is an imbalance of power. It's called the Golden Rule: the man with the gold gets to make the rules.

Now if you don't like the rules, you are welcome to start your own company if you like. Let's say you worked for me in my widget factory. I was paying you 9 bucks an hour. Unhappy with that, you start your own widget company. You pay your workers 15 bucks an hour. Now how long do you suppose you'd stay in business? Who is going to buy your overpriced widgets when they can buy mine for half the price?

Rich people are not in charge of this. Corporations are not in charge of this. Government is not in charge of this. So who's in charge? The American consumer, that's who.

You perpetuate an unfair society

Corporations will always pay as little as they have to and the state should not have to pick up the tab for that. I cant see how that simple fact is not understood.

 

[Markle]

Where in the Constitution does it say that any person is obligated to do anything for "society"?

In fact the a large and very important part of our constitution is protection from governemnt overreach and protects the individual

Congress has the power to Tax persons to fix problems in our society.

The militia is also, callable by Congress to fix any problems for our society.

So what?

An individual has absolutely no obligation to do anything for the benefit of "society"

Ethics claim otherwise.

And, only lousy religionists, talk that way; not enough morals?

And what ethics compel anyone to do anything for "society"

No one is obligated to do anything to benefit "society"

You might want to look up the word obligated

you have to obey the laws of society.

Who writes those laws and where can I find them?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Minimum wage workers tend to spend all of their income and that fuels the economy.

How often do minimum wage workers eat out at a nice restaurant? Other than when their dad takes the family out to eat.

How many boats, motorcycles, or other toys do they buy? Unless dad or mom buys it for them.

Why does it have to be a "nice restaurant" ? Why cant it be bread from the local bakery ? Lower paid workers spend all of their money because they dont have a lot. Tax cuts for the poorest benefits the economy immensely.

 

[Markle]

You perpetuate an unfair society

Corporations will always pay as little as they have to and the state should not have to pick up the tab for that. I cant see how that simple fact is not understood.

You have never owned a business. As an employer, why should I pay my employees more than they are worth and price myself out of the competition?

Please explain how the employer is responsible for the bad decisions of the employee. Specifics would be nice.

 

[Markle]

Why does it have to be a "nice restaurant" ? Why cant it be bread from the local bakery ? Lower paid workers spend all of their money because they dont have a lot. Tax cuts for the poorest benefits the economy immensely.

What keeps the nice restaurants in business? Minimum wage workers or their parents? How do you cut the income taxes of someone who pays no income tax and may actually get a refund?

I earned well into six figures annually for the 30 years before I retired about 8 years ago. I spent all that money too. Motorcycles, a number of personal homes plus rental properties, shares of stock in a number of companies, enough cash to hold me over for six or so months along with a year's food and water supply, cruises and a great number of other things. I also love eating in fine restaurants and, partially because I once worked for tips, I tip very well.

 

[danielpalos]

Tax breaks to billionaires sees the money go to Panama. Tax breaks for the poorest sees the money immediately recycled into the economy.
I struggle with the mindset of people who dont want poorly paid workers to get a bit more.

We do want them to get more, just not more of our money.

Question: how do we ever teach irresponsible people to be responsible if no matter what they do, we give them a way out?

Have kids you can't afford, we will feed them, give them medical care, and even baby sit for them if you have a job.

Dropped out of school or didn't pay attention; on dope? Have government subsidize your low pay.

Don't feel much like working. Go on our social programs.

Is it any wonder why there are poor people when we keep rewarding them to be poor?

Living on benefits is no life. Benefits/welfare is a corporate handout. But the majority of people having benefits are in work.. Here is the thing. If you cant feed yourself and put a roof over your head wen you are working full time then there is something wrong in society.
Its not the individual it is the job. Because even if the individual moves on the job remains.
Corporations can only pay shit wages because the tax payer is on hand to bail them out. That cant be right.

So it boils down to a very simple proposition.

We pay people a living wage as a minimum. Profits would have to come down a bit and we may have to pay a bit more for stuff.

Or we see people take starvation wages that are subsidised by the taxpayer at the request of the corporate donors.

At the moment its just a racket and our society is crumbling because of it.

Well you just stumbled on the simple solution to get companies to pay a living wage..


Get rid of the subsidised welfare for people that work, a company would have to raise wages if no one could afford to work there .... no gas money, no bus money , no rent , money no food money. The companies would have no choice other then to close up.

Nope, The answer is to keep benefits at a level where folk are not forced to take slave wages. Your solution means they will have to work for unscrupulous employers because they have no other option.
Its all about rebalancing society.

So you want them not to work and pay them out of your own pocket?

that's enabling both parties..



.

unemployment compensation exists for a reason. there is no serfdom in the US.

 

[danielpalos]

Get a job, start a business, pay your own bills you mooching deadbeats.

Henry Ford doubled auto worker wages. He did not whine about minimum wages. Only lousy capitalists, do that.

Yeaso they would buy his cars.


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thanks for agreeing; only lousy capitalists whine about Minimum wages.