Religion's Fakes and Phonies.

[JoeB131]

btw . I do have to thank P.Chic for the honesty of this thread - it does make the first time that I have seen her attack the extreme right wing, and I think that is creditable.

Meh, not really. She gives up her usual left bashing for Catholic Bashing.

Honestly, reading her threads is like reading a Jack Chick Tract.

 

[Ravi]

And, for balance, here's the real deal:


4. August 9, 1920 Sister Rose Thering born in Plains, Wis. She spent her life as an activist nun fostering better relations between Jews and Christians.

Her doctoral thesis, completed in 1961, is widely credited with influencing the Vatican to stop blaming the Jews for killing Jesus. The official pronouncement came in the Vatican II document Nostra Aetate (“Our Time”), issued in (October 28)1965, which overturned hundreds of years of Catholic anti-Semitism.
See the film “Sister Rose’s Passion,” which won the 2004 Oscar for shot subject.
Sister Rose died May 7, 2006, of kidney failure.


a. . " ....reversed church policy and declared of Christ's death that "what happened in his passion cannot be charged against all the Jews, without distinction, then alive, nor against the Jews of today," and, as for teaching, added: "The Jews should not be presented as rejected or accursed by God." http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/08/nyregion/08thering.html?_r=0

She was a much better person than Pius.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Nazism, communism, socialism......Leftism of every stripe was well represented among sizable segments of every religion.

As I mentioned earlier, a very right-wing and trationalist church was always going to find much to admire in a very right-wing and tradionalist Nazi party. They held many of the same values and principles, even though I don't think it is fair to accuse the church of having supported a genocide they could not have predicted.

I think it is crucial to consider that the church was faced with a choice between collaboration with Stalin's godless hordes and a party with whom they shared some very basic ideals. History condemns them for this, but I am not sure the choice was as shocking in 1935 as it had become by 1945.

"Uuummmmmm.....except for the fact that Nazism is RIGHT wing, anyway."

That is only true for those who fall into one of these two categories....

1. Left wing dolts.

2. Non-thinkers who don't care to consider that Nazism, Communism, socialism, whatever all originate in the same place, Marx, and all follow the same governing procedures.


" Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington
until Hitler became a menace to·the Soviet Union."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p. 48

 

[PoliticalChic]

Popes and Catholicism and pedophiles, what a mess. But, then there is the mess of Islam, sharia law and suicide bombers/cells. Pedophilia is bad enough, stoning people to death like Fred Flintstone and crashing airplanes or strapping on bombs and killing innocent people? Drink the purple kool-aid. Jim Jones and his followers reminds me of these Muslims/Palestinian so much, it makes my head spin.

The thread was constructed to show the same sort of corruption in every religion.

Just not in all religious folk.

 

[PoliticalChic]

btw . I do have to thank P.Chic for the honesty of this thread - it does make the first time that I have seen her attack the extreme right wing, and I think that is creditable.

Except that all the evils mentioned are Left wing.

"Liberals claim the center by placing socialism on the left and national socialism on the right, even though Lenin/Stalin and Hitler/other Nazis had much in common as they centralized power and preached hatred.

A more accurate spectrum would place totalitarians of many stripes on the left and defenders of religious, political, and economic freedom on the right."
WORLD Let s admit who we are Marvin Olasky July 17 2010

 

[Saigon]

P. Chic -

Fascism and Nazism are both right wing. Fact.

fascism
/ˈfæʃɪzəm/
noun (sometimes capital)
1.
any ideology or movement inspired by Italian Fascism, such as German National Socialism; any right-wing nationalist ideology or movement with an authoritarian and hierarchical structure that is fundamentally opposed to democracy and liberalism
2.
any ideology, movement, programme, tendency, etc, that may be characterized as right-wing, chauvinist, authoritarian, etc

Fascism Define Fascism at Dictionary.com

Far-right politics or extreme-right politics are right-wing politics to the right of the mainstream centre right on the traditional left-right spectrum. They often involve a focus on tradition as opposed to policies and customs that are regarded as reflective of modernism. They tend to include disregard or disdain for egalitarianism, if not overt support for social inequality and social hierarchy, elements of social conservatism and opposition to most forms of liberalism and socialism. The terms are commonly used to describe fascism, neo-fascism and other ideologies or organizations that feature extreme nationalist, chauvinist, xenophobic, racist or reactionary views.[1] Some far-right movements, such as the Nazis, have pursued oppression and genocide against groups of people on the basis of their alleged inferiority or their alleged threat to the nation or state

Far-right politics - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Much of this thread actually explains very well the link between extreme right-wing politics and an extremely reactionary and ultra-conservative church. The same can not be said of a left-wing government, such as Stalin's Russia, that existed in hysterical opposition to religion as a concept.

 

[PoliticalChic]

P. Chic -

Fascism and Nazism are both right wing. Fact.

fascism
/ˈfæʃɪzəm/
noun (sometimes capital)
1.
any ideology or movement inspired by Italian Fascism, such as German National Socialism; any right-wing nationalist ideology or movement with an authoritarian and hierarchical structure that is fundamentally opposed to democracy and liberalism
2.
any ideology, movement, programme, tendency, etc, that may be characterized as right-wing, chauvinist, authoritarian, etc

Fascism Define Fascism at Dictionary.com

Far-right politics or extreme-right politics are right-wing politics to the right of the mainstream centre right on the traditional left-right spectrum. They often involve a focus on tradition as opposed to policies and customs that are regarded as reflective of modernism. They tend to include disregard or disdain for egalitarianism, if not overt support for social inequality and social hierarchy, elements of social conservatism and opposition to most forms of liberalism and socialism. The terms are commonly used to describe fascism, neo-fascism and other ideologies or organizations that feature extreme nationalist, chauvinist, xenophobic, racist or reactionary views.[1] Some far-right movements, such as the Nazis, have pursued oppression and genocide against groups of people on the basis of their alleged inferiority or their alleged threat to the nation or state

Far-right politics - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Much of this thread actually explains very well the link between extreme right-wing politics and an extremely reactionary and ultra-conservative church. The same can not be said of a left-wing government, such as Stalin's Russia, that existed in hysterical opposition to religion as a concept.

Hardly.

It is the sort of word game you Leftists play to hide from the truth, and from your past.

 

[Taz]

All religious people are insane.

 

[PoliticalChic]

All religious people are insane.

So....you're religious?

 

[Saigon]

P Chic -

Dictionaries don't play a lot of games.

 

[PoliticalChic]

P Chic -

Dictionaries don't play a lot of games.

Let's engage in this flight of fantasy, and posit that you have the ability to make informed judgments.


Nazism, communism, socialism....

1. Which come from the works of Karl Marx?
2. Which is a form of command and control big government?
3. Which uses genocide as an accepted procedure on its political enemies?
4. Which is based on the collective over the individual?
5. Which oppresses and slaughters its own citizens as pro forma....?

 

[Saigon]

P. Chic -

I have posted the dictionary defintions for you, and I'd be happy to cite a half-dozen major books on the topic which can explain all of the details for you. I have read all of these books and am more than happy to answer any questions you may have afterwards. I particularly recommend Ian Kershaw's 'Nazi Dictatorship' and the accompanying two-volume biography of Hitler, which many people to consider to be the defining work on the topic.

What I am not going to do is waste time with someone who thinks the dictionaries are wrong.

 

[Taz]

All religious people are insane.

So....you're religious?

So you don't disagree?

PS I'm not religious....PHEW!!!

 

[PoliticalChic]

All religious people are insane.

So....you're religious?

So you don't disagree?

PS I'm not religious....PHEW!!!

I'm simply drawing the only possible conclusion from your post....an admission by you that you are insane.

 

[Taz]

All religious people are insane.

So....you're religious?

So you don't disagree?

PS I'm not religious....PHEW!!!

I'm simply drawing the only possible conclusion from your post....an admission by you that you are insane.

I just told you that I'm not religious. You didn't dispute my claim for the second time now.

 

[PoliticalChic]

P. Chic -

I have posted the dictionary defintions for you, and I'd be happy to cite a half-dozen major books on the topic which can explain all of the details for you. I have read all of these books and am more than happy to answer any questions you may have afterwards. I particularly recommend Ian Kershaw's 'Nazi Dictatorship' and the accompanying two-volume biography of Hitler, which many people to consider to be the defining work on the topic.

What I am not going to do is waste time with someone who thinks the dictionaries are wrong.

Can't answer the questions?

Won't?


Clearly Nazism, communism, and socialism are of a piece.
They all belong in the same category.

All are of Left wing iteration.

 

[PoliticalChic]

All religious people are insane.

So....you're religious?

So you don't disagree?

PS I'm not religious....PHEW!!!

I'm simply drawing the only possible conclusion from your post....an admission by you that you are insane.

I just told you that I'm not religious. You didn't dispute my claim for the second time now.

See what I mean.

 

[Taz]

P. Chic -

I have posted the dictionary defintions for you, and I'd be happy to cite a half-dozen major books on the topic which can explain all of the details for you. I have read all of these books and am more than happy to answer any questions you may have afterwards. I particularly recommend Ian Kershaw's 'Nazi Dictatorship' and the accompanying two-volume biography of Hitler, which many people to consider to be the defining work on the topic.

What I am not going to do is waste time with someone who thinks the dictionaries are wrong.

Can't answer the questions?

Won't?


Clearly Nazism, communism, and socialism are of a piece.
They all belong in the same category.

All are of Left wing iteration.

Communism and religion are almost exactly the same.

 

[Taz]

All religious people are insane.

So....you're religious?

So you don't disagree?

PS I'm not religious....PHEW!!!

I'm simply drawing the only possible conclusion from your post....an admission by you that you are insane.

I just told you that I'm not religious. You didn't dispute my claim for the second time now.

See what I mean.

Hmmm, that makes so no sense that I can't argue with you!

 

[Tuckwolf]

P. Chic -

I have posted the dictionary defintions for you, and I'd be happy to cite a half-dozen major books on the topic which can explain all of the details for you. I have read all of these books and am more than happy to answer any questions you may have afterwards. I particularly recommend Ian Kershaw's 'Nazi Dictatorship' and the accompanying two-volume biography of Hitler, which many people to consider to be the defining work on the topic.

What I am not going to do is waste time with someone who thinks the dictionaries are wrong.

Can't answer the questions?

Won't?


Clearly Nazism, communism, and socialism are of a piece.
They all belong in the same category.

All are of Left wing iteration.

To whom is that clear?
For what it's worth you are both wrong.
Now kiss and make up.