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You display your ignorance of the law. You don't assume guilt, you prove it. I hate terrorists just as much as you, but if they are American citizens even only in title, they still deserve their due process rights.
So, you think that enemy combatants should be left to kill Americans if they have not been convicted in a court of law?
What? No. I want them to be captured and brought to justice! I never said anything of the sort! What I said was you don't deny an American his day in court, no matter how heinous his crime might be. Our justice system is a system of discovery, not a system of summary punishment. You don't assume guilt until you prove it. You don't maintain innocence, you defend it. You have faith in the system that it will dole out a fitting punishment.
Face the facts, the 14th Amendment applies to any and all American citizens.
So, you think that enemy combatants should be left to kill Americans if they have not been convicted in a court of law?
What? No. I want them to be captured and brought to justice! I never said anything of the sort! What I said was you don't deny an American his day in court, no matter how heinous his crime might be. Our justice system is a system of discovery, not a system of summary punishment. You don't assume guilt until you prove it. You don't maintain innocence, you defend it. You have faith in the system that it will dole out a fitting punishment.
Face the facts, the 14th Amendment applies to any and all American citizens.
Sending in troops and risking fatalities when the enemy can be taken out with a drone is a bit ridiculous, although it may have been done if it was possible. An enemy is an enemy, pure and simple.
If a liberal started a thread defending these people, those of you on the right would be screaming bloody murder.
What? No. I want them to be captured and brought to justice! I never said anything of the sort! What I said was you don't deny an American his day in court, no matter how heinous his crime might be. Our justice system is a system of discovery, not a system of summary punishment. You don't assume guilt until you prove it. You don't maintain innocence, you defend it. You have faith in the system that it will dole out a fitting punishment.
Face the facts, the 14th Amendment applies to any and all American citizens.
Sending in troops and risking fatalities when the enemy can be taken out with a drone is a bit ridiculous, although it may have been done if it was possible. An enemy is an enemy, pure and simple.
If a liberal started a thread defending these people, those of you on the right would be screaming bloody murder.
You're entirely hopeless. "An enemy is an enemy" sure, that's what the IRS and the Justice Department thought too. Too bad Hillary couldn't have maintained that mentality when four of our own were killed by those rabid animals. But that's how devoted to the rights of our citizens we should be. If we can launch a nighttime raid on a compound on Abottabad, Pakistan without the Pakistanis knowing until the next day, we can capture the wrongdoer. But your comments show the lack of reverence for the due process rights of all Americans, whether they conspire with the enemy or not.
Throw all the tantrums you like, but it's the way it is and should be. Your attitude betrays your moniker, if you must know.
What? No. I want them to be captured and brought to justice! I never said anything of the sort! What I said was you don't deny an American his day in court, no matter how heinous his crime might be. Our justice system is a system of discovery, not a system of summary punishment. You don't assume guilt until you prove it. You don't maintain innocence, you defend it. You have faith in the system that it will dole out a fitting punishment.
Face the facts, the 14th Amendment applies to any and all American citizens.
Sending in troops and risking fatalities when the enemy can be taken out with a drone is a bit ridiculous, although it may have been done if it was possible. An enemy is an enemy, pure and simple.
If a liberal started a thread defending these people, those of you on the right would be screaming bloody murder.
You're entirely hopeless. "An enemy is an enemy" sure, that's what the IRS and the Justice Department thought too. Too bad Hillary couldn't have maintained that mentality when four of our own were killed by those rabid animals. But that's how devoted to the rights of our citizens we should be. If we can launch a nighttime raid on a compound on Abottabad, Pakistan without the Pakistanis knowing until the next day, we can capture the wrongdoer. But your comments show the lack of reverence for the due process rights of all Americans, whether they conspire with the enemy or not.
Throw all the tantrums you like, but it's the way it is and should be. Your attitude betrays your moniker, if you must know.
Crazy? That "Crazy" vet defended your freedom! You childish liberal prick. Show some freaking respect.
Blah blah. If this guy shot your son or daughter and you found out he legally had as gun but should have been denied one because he was officially declared to have ptsd, you would not be screaming about his rights being violated. You would be screaming asking why he had access to a gun. Period. End of story.
Crazy? That "Crazy" vet defended your freedom! You childish liberal prick. Show some freaking respect.
I'm a retired vet, retard.
Crazy? That "Crazy" vet defended your freedom! You childish liberal prick. Show some freaking respect.
I'm a retired vet, retard.
First of all, let me thank you for your service, g5. No matter how unsightly your opinions might be-- you fought for the right to make them. But at any rate
My father is a Gulf War vet. Multiple generations of my family have served in any of the wars dating back to WWII up to the War on Terror. So your point would be, exactly? But where do you get off calling one of your own crazy? What should it matter if you are? So much for camaraderie. Did your superiors ever brand the warrior ethos into that head of yours?
Crazy? That "Crazy" vet defended your freedom! You childish liberal prick. Show some freaking respect.
I think this vet lost my respect when he started shooting people.
so next time you start saying nasty shit about me, just remember I'm a vet who defended your freedom.
I'm a retired vet, retard.
First of all, let me thank you for your service, g5. No matter how unsightly your opinions might be-- you fought for the right to make them. But at any rate
My father is a Gulf War vet. Multiple generations of my family have served in any of the wars dating back to WWII up to the War on Terror. So your point would be, exactly? But where do you get off calling one of your own crazy? What should it matter if you are? So much for camaraderie. Did your superiors ever brand the warrior ethos into that head of yours?
A person who shoots innocent people on a rampage is a whackjob. Being a vet does not make one immune from being called a whackjob, and treated like a whackjob, if one behaves like a whackjob.
A whackjob is a whackjob, vet or no vet.
Using the "he's a vet" bullshit appeal to emotion logical fallacy to defend letting a whackjob keep his weapons who is a hazard to himself and/or others is the epitome of stupidity.
Crazy? That "Crazy" vet defended your freedom! You childish liberal prick. Show some freaking respect.
I think this vet lost my respect when he started shooting people.
so next time you start saying nasty shit about me, just remember I'm a vet who defended your freedom.
I don't care who you are, Joe. You are dishonorable. You fought for my freedom, but assail me and others for their faith. You fought for my freedom, but don't like it when someone has a different opinion than you. Have some freaking respect for your comrades. You have no idea the turmoil that a soldier or a Marine for that matter goes through when he has PTSS/PTSD. My gramps had it after fighting two tours in Vietnam. My father has it now, having fought in Grenada and Iraq. It wears at a man, it tears him up inside when he has to take a life. Death is unpleasant and unsettling. However, Joe, I also have a right to my opinion, which you no doubt "fought for".
So the next time you say nasty shit about me, remember you fought for my right to issue the same diatribe about you as well. Grow up, soldier. Double time.
Crazy? That "Crazy" vet defended your freedom! You childish liberal prick. Show some freaking respect.
First of all, let me thank you for your service, g5. No matter how unsightly your opinions might be-- you fought for the right to make them. But at any rate
My father is a Gulf War vet. Multiple generations of my family have served in any of the wars dating back to WWII up to the War on Terror. So your point would be, exactly? But where do you get off calling one of your own crazy? What should it matter if you are? So much for camaraderie. Did your superiors ever brand the warrior ethos into that head of yours?
A person who shoots innocent people on a rampage is a whackjob. Being a vet does not make one immune from being called a whackjob, and treated like a whackjob, if one behaves like a whackjob.
A whackjob is a whackjob, vet or no vet.
Using the "he's a vet" bullshit appeal to emotion logical fallacy to defend letting a whackjob keep his weapons who is a hazard to himself and/or others is the epitome of stupidity.
Answer me this. Do you have PTSD? Have you ever had to fight the idiots at the VA hospital? Do you understand that they play a role in these things? If a vet with PTSD comes along needing help, and gets the run around; his condition may worsen to the point where he is beyond help. Now whose fault would that be? So had he been treated for his mental deficiency, we might not be having this conversation right now. And he would have been able to keep his guns.
Government bureaucracy folks.
