Remembering Robert E. Lee: American Patriot and Southern Hero

[Procrustes Stretched]

He wasn't ever charged with anything, so why would he need a pardon?

You're disagreeing with Lee himself. D'Oh!

IDIOT!!!! Lee himself applied for a pardon. He was a confessed criminal and traitor:

One minor error: it reports that when Lee applied for a Presidential Pardon, he failed to include the Oath of Allegiance as required by law. A few years ago the oath turned up, misfiled, perhaps deliberately by someone who did not want to see Lee pardoned. Bob Huddleston

Pardon of Robert E. Lee

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On a spring day 140 years ago, Union Gen. Ulysses S. Grant and Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee met face to face in the parlor of Wilmer McLean's house in Appomattox Court House, Virginia. On that historic occasion, April 9, 1865, the two generals formalized the surrender of Lee's Army of Northern Virginia, thus bringing an end to four years of fighting between North and South.

After agreeing upon terms of the surrender, the generals each selected three officers to oversee the surrender and parole of Lee's army. Later that day, Lee and six of his staff signed a document granting their parole.

On May 29, 1865, President Andrew Johnson issued a Proclamation of Amnesty and Pardon to persons who had participated in the rebellion against the United States. There were fourteen excepted classes, though, and members of those classes had to make special application to the President.

Lee sent an application to Grant and wrote to President Johnson on June 13, 1865:

Being excluded from the provisions of amnesty & pardon contained in the proclamation of the 29th Ulto; I hereby apply for the benefits, & full restoration of all rights & privileges extended to those included in its terms. I graduated at the Mil. Academy at West Point in June 1829. Resigned from the U.S. Army April '61. Was a General in the Confederate Army, & included in the surrender of the Army of N. Va. 9 April '65.​

General Robert E. Lee s Parole and Citizenship


Confederate Pardons - Genealogy Today​

Benghazi!

Ben Ghazzi, Ben gay, and Ben Dover walk into a bar...

...well not really, they sashay into a bar...

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

He wasn't ever charged with anything, so why would he need a pardon?

You're disagreeing with Lee himself. D'Oh!

IDIOT!!!! Lee himself applied for a pardon. He was a confessed criminal and traitor:

One minor error: it reports that when Lee applied for a Presidential Pardon, he failed to include the Oath of Allegiance as required by law. A few years ago the oath turned up, misfiled, perhaps deliberately by someone who did not want to see Lee pardoned. Bob Huddleston

Pardon of Robert E. Lee

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On a spring day 140 years ago, Union Gen. Ulysses S. Grant and Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee met face to face in the parlor of Wilmer McLean's house in Appomattox Court House, Virginia. On that historic occasion, April 9, 1865, the two generals formalized the surrender of Lee's Army of Northern Virginia, thus bringing an end to four years of fighting between North and South.

After agreeing upon terms of the surrender, the generals each selected three officers to oversee the surrender and parole of Lee's army. Later that day, Lee and six of his staff signed a document granting their parole.

On May 29, 1865, President Andrew Johnson issued a Proclamation of Amnesty and Pardon to persons who had participated in the rebellion against the United States. There were fourteen excepted classes, though, and members of those classes had to make special application to the President.

Lee sent an application to Grant and wrote to President Johnson on June 13, 1865:

Being excluded from the provisions of amnesty & pardon contained in the proclamation of the 29th Ulto; I hereby apply for the benefits, & full restoration of all rights & privileges extended to those included in its terms. I graduated at the Mil. Academy at West Point in June 1829. Resigned from the U.S. Army April '61. Was a General in the Confederate Army, & included in the surrender of the Army of N. Va. 9 April '65.​

General Robert E. Lee s Parole and Citizenship


Confederate Pardons - Genealogy Today​

truth: fact check

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Love what happened to his house....we should do stuff like that today.

You mean you favor having the government expropriate people's property?

I'm not surprised that you don't give a crap about the Bill of Rights.

He committed treason and forfeited his holdings...that they buried war dead on his back porch was fitting...as is your worship of a treasonous figure in American history.

Yeah, but later in 1864, the SCOTUS ruled the U.S. government had illegally confiscated the home and acreage, and it was returned along with 1100 acres to Lee's son.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Love what happened to his house....we should do stuff like that today.

Bitch.

 

[reconmark]

Funny to watch those holding up the loser South of the 1860s as if it were something honorable...instead of a pack of slave supporting traitors.

The best shot in the whole war.

It was 4 years too late.

Yes, it gave the more intelligent and developed North abundant time to put shit throwing traitors in their place...

 

[Unkotare]

It was 4 years too late.

Only the most anti-American, low-life scum would post something like that. What a pointless, degrading little emo-tantrum. Whatever country you and your 'partner' are in should be ashamed to be associated with animals so lacking in character.

 

[bripat9643]

Funny to watch those holding up the loser South of the 1860s as if it were something honorable...instead of a pack of slave supporting traitors.

The best shot in the whole war.

It was 4 years too late.

Yes, it gave the more intelligent and developed North abundant time to put shit throwing traitors in their place...

You obviously don't know the meaning of "too late."

 

[bripat9643]

It was 4 years too late.

Only the most anti-American, low-life scum would post something like that. What a pointless, degrading little emo-tantrum. Whatever country you and your 'partner' are in should be ashamed to be associated with animals so lacking in character.

The lick spittles who worship Lincoln are the "low-life pond scum." Lincoln was a tyrant, a dictator and a mass murderer. Anyone who truly understands what Lincoln did and still admires him is either suffering from brain damage or is a genuinely evil person.

 

[bripat9643]

He wasn't ever charged with anything, so why would he need a pardon?

You're disagreeing with Lee himself. D'Oh!

IDIOT!!!! Lee himself applied for a pardon. He was a confessed criminal and traitor:

One minor error: it reports that when Lee applied for a Presidential Pardon, he failed to include the Oath of Allegiance as required by law. A few years ago the oath turned up, misfiled, perhaps deliberately by someone who did not want to see Lee pardoned. Bob Huddleston

Pardon of Robert E. Lee

---​

On a spring day 140 years ago, Union Gen. Ulysses S. Grant and Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee met face to face in the parlor of Wilmer McLean's house in Appomattox Court House, Virginia. On that historic occasion, April 9, 1865, the two generals formalized the surrender of Lee's Army of Northern Virginia, thus bringing an end to four years of fighting between North and South.

After agreeing upon terms of the surrender, the generals each selected three officers to oversee the surrender and parole of Lee's army. Later that day, Lee and six of his staff signed a document granting their parole.

On May 29, 1865, President Andrew Johnson issued a Proclamation of Amnesty and Pardon to persons who had participated in the rebellion against the United States. There were fourteen excepted classes, though, and members of those classes had to make special application to the President.

Lee sent an application to Grant and wrote to President Johnson on June 13, 1865:

Being excluded from the provisions of amnesty & pardon contained in the proclamation of the 29th Ulto; I hereby apply for the benefits, & full restoration of all rights & privileges extended to those included in its terms. I graduated at the Mil. Academy at West Point in June 1829. Resigned from the U.S. Army April '61. Was a General in the Confederate Army, & included in the surrender of the Army of N. Va. 9 April '65.​

General Robert E. Lee s Parole and Citizenship


Confederate Pardons - Genealogy Today​

A confession signed at gunpoint is utterly worthless in a court of law. There was nothing to "pardon." No formal charges of treason was ever filed in a court of law against Lee or anyone else who served in the confederacy. That's because Northern politicians new they could not make those charges stick. Virtually everything the North did during the civil war violated the Constitution. The so-called "pardon" was one of them. Anyone who thinks signing that document proved anything is a certifiable moron.

 

[bripat9643]

Nothing in the Constitution says a state can't secede.

The Supreme Court disagrees with you.


Let's see....United States Supreme Court, or some bitter, weak-minded imbecile on the internet...which has more credibility? Hmmmm........

Anyone who puts stock in what the Supreme Court rules is a weak minded imbecile. ...

What a shame you flunked out before getting to Civics.

They don't teach the truth about the SC in civics.

You really are some gullible boot-licking toady, aren't you?

You must be popular on the Conspiracy Forum with the anal-probe tourists and the Haliburton Hurricane Machine mental cases.

Enjoy your Jell-O.

Your a snivelling little piece of fecal matter who is too stupid to bother arguing with. You don't even attempt to support your case.

 

[Darkwind]

bad general. Left almost 40% of his soldiers in most of his berserker battles. And why he went to Gettysburg is a mystery


Good educator though.

I agree that he made a big mistake at Gettysburg. However, he was a lot better than all the union generals.

Apparently not.

 

[bripat9643]

bad general. Left almost 40% of his soldiers in most of his berserker battles. And why he went to Gettysburg is a mystery


Good educator though.

I agree that he made a big mistake at Gettysburg. However, he was a lot better than all the union generals.

Apparently not.

Wrong.

 

[Geaux4it]

We could use someone like Mr. Lee here with us today

-Geaux

 

[Toro]

that would pretty much have ruled out the growth of industry in the Northern states, wouldn't it?

No, because the internal American market was many times larger than the internal Southern market. America was not reliant on international trade. The South was. The South would have been subject to American tariff policy as a foreign country, and the cost of relocating plants from the Rust Belt to the South would have been much higher.

 

[Darkwind]

bad general. Left almost 40% of his soldiers in most of his berserker battles. And why he went to Gettysburg is a mystery


Good educator though.

I agree that he made a big mistake at Gettysburg. However, he was a lot better than all the union generals.

Apparently not.

Wrong.

Oh? He won? That wasn't in the history books I've read.

But you go ahead with your belief. Makes no difference to Me. With regard to history, I always try to stay away from the hyperbole and emotionalism. Makes no sense to Me since the Civil War is a matter of record and anyone can go look up the history of it.

 

[Toro]

...by 1860, there were more millionaires (slaveholders all) living in the lower Mississippi Valley than anywhere else in the United States. In the same year, the nearly 4 million American slaves were worth some $3.5 billion, making them the largest single financial asset in the entire U.S. economy, worth more than all manufacturing and railroads combined. So, of course, the war was rooted in these two expanding and competing economies—but competing over what? What eventually tore asunder America's political culture was slavery's expansion into the Western territories.
Battle Cry of Freedom

Get a clue...

Of course there were rich people in the South. As you posted, a large source of capital wealth in the South was human beings. Thousands of rich slaveowners went bust and lost everything after the Civil War as they had loans secured on their slaves. Even though the slaves were released, the loans were not, and many had their land seized by banks. That's the primary economic motivation of the Civil War. One can talk all they want about tariffs, but that pales to the capital risked by the Southern slaveowners in human beings. It's understandable why so many fought to leave the union. If someone was going to take away everything you had, wouldn't you fight too?

 

[Toro]

The United States didn't but the South did? Do you hear yourself? Who do you think built the ships and operated the slave trade. I'll give you a hint since you're history illiterate...it was Northern states. The entire country's economy was predicated on slavery and its perpetuation.

Thank you for that Marxist historical framework. You've articulated exactly the Marxist critique of American capitalism.

If your Marxist interpretation of history was correct, the northern economy would have collapsed after the Civil War. Of course, that didn't happen. Instead, the United States embarked on one of the greatest periods of innovation and expansion shortly thereafter.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

So the souths only manufactured good consumer would have been the north......that seems logical.

Not the only one but certainly the most important one since it was the closest.

This must be why the north blockaded southern ports...to keep the goods from going....north.

 

[paperview]

...by 1860, there were more millionaires (slaveholders all) living in the lower Mississippi Valley than anywhere else in the United States. In the same year, the nearly 4 million American slaves were worth some $3.5 billion, making them the largest single financial asset in the entire U.S. economy, worth more than all manufacturing and railroads combined. So, of course, the war was rooted in these two expanding and competing economies—but competing over what? What eventually tore asunder America's political culture was slavery's expansion into the Western territories.
Battle Cry of Freedom

Get a clue...

Of course there were rich people in the South. As you posted, a large source of capital wealth in the South was human beings. Thousands of rich slaveowners went bust and lost everything after the Civil War as they had loans secured on their slaves. Even though the slaves were released, the loans were not, and many had their land seized by banks. That's the primary economic motivation of the Civil War. One can talk all they want about tariffs, but that pales to the capital risked by the Southern slaveowners in human beings. It's understandable why so many fought to leave the union. If someone was going to take away everything you had, wouldn't you fight too?

Exactly.

The South seceeded because it was where literally ALL their wealth was tied up, and was the literal lifeblood that ran the heart of the engine of the south. Blackhumanblood as property.

To give perspective, The collective wealth tied up in those slaves was over 3 billion dollars.

That is yes, with a B. Three BILLION. Not in today dollars, adjusted for inflation -- Then dollars. Three BILLION in 1860 dollars.

If you wanted to buy all the railroads, factories and banks in the entire country at that time, it would have only cost you about $2.5 billion.

----> slaves were by far the largest concentration of property in the country. A stunning figure.

Think on that.

The South was not about to give that up.

It was. About. Slavery. Preserving, protecting & expanding. Human beings as property.

Millions of these people who were *bred* as animals are -- with values in the BILLIONS.

Yes, It was. About. Slavery. Preserving, protecting & expanding. Human beings as property.

And they are *still fighting the battle----to this day, it appears. Even though they lost the war.

 

[paperview]

It was 4 years too late.

Only the most anti-American, low-life scum would post something like that. What a pointless, degrading little emo-tantrum. Whatever country you and your 'partner' are in should be ashamed to be associated with animals so lacking in character.

As Lost Causers continue to prove Lincoln right.

Blame him for the war they started.

From February of 1860:

"You will not abide the election of a Republican president!

In that supposed event, you say, you will destroy the Union; and then, you say, the great crime of having destroyed it will be upon us!

That is cool. A highwayman holds a pistol to my ear, and mutters through his teeth, 'Stand and deliver, or I shall kill you, and then you will be a murderer!'"
[Cooper - Union Speech]