Remembering USS Liberty: When Israel attacked America

Alan Fisher

Richard Brooks still remembers when the alert came.

With klaxons sounding and people yelling, the tannoy system warned everyone "Standby to receive torpedo hit".

"I thought Iā€™ll never get out of this mess alive. Weird things were running through your minds, because Iā€™d chalked myself off."

He felt the torpedoes hit and the ship pitch to one side but realised he was still alive.

And then the priority became survival. As chief engineer, he could tell the engines were still working. ā€œMy machinery was still intact and I was still making headway. I yelled through the voice tube ā€˜Give me all the steam pressure youā€™ve got, letā€™s get the hell out of this areaā€™".

Eventually his ship, The USS Liberty made its way to safer waters and managed to take stock of the sustained attack. Thirty-four were lying dead, more than 171 were injured.

The victims of the day Israel attacked America.

The Liberty had been sitting in international waters off the Sinai Peninsula. A spy ship, it had been gathering information as the 1967 Arab-Israeli Six-Day War raged on land.

'Mistaken identity'

During the course of the day, the ship had been buzzed by Israeli aircraft. But flying the American flag, there was no cause for panic, no need for alarm.

ā€œPeople were sunbathing, enjoying the June sunshine,ā€ said Brooks, who was more concerned with keeping the engines running. The demands of the job perhaps saved his life.

Israel insisted it was a case of mistaken identity. It alleged that pilots were exhausted having fought so hard over the previous days. The US naval vessel was thought to be an Egyptian warship.

And thatā€™s why it was attacked with rockets and cannons and missiles and torpedoes.

But Brooks doesnā€™t buy the Israeli apology. Standing next to the graves of his shipmates in Arlington National Cemetery he tells me ā€œIt wasnā€™t a tragic accident, It was a deliberate attack. They knew who we were. They tried to sink us. They wanted us out to either bring the Americans into the war by blaming the Arabs or we picked up some information about their war plansā€.

INVESTIGATION: The Day Israel Attacked America

Websites set up to discuss the Liberty back Brooksā€™ suggestion. Some claim the Israeli planes which attacked were unmarked, hoping theyā€™d be mistaken for Arab fighter jets. Others speculate that it was known the radio signals from the Liberty could be hacked by the Russians. And worried the US had picked up sensitive information about plans for the Golan Heights, which the Russians would pass to their allies, the Egyptians, the Israelis tried to sink the spy ship.

Every year on June 8, the survivors gather to mark the attack - to read the names of the dead and to share stories and memories.

The numbers are less every year. This year there were just seven survivors in attendance. But the passion to find out exactly what happened remains undiminished. As they stand between the white grave stones, a light summer breeze taking the edge off the afternoon heat, the memorial service also includes a call for justice and for truth.

'We had a ship to sail'

Ernie Gallo is the president of the USS Liberty Survivors Group.

When you apologise, you apologise with the truth. Not with a lie. So itā€™s not an apology.

Ernie Gallo, USS Liberty Survivors Group

He remembers the attack and how everything seemed surprisingly calm. ā€œWe had to do what we could for our dead and wounded. We had a ship to sail. We had to get to safetyā€

Heā€™s read the reports, the official inquiries and read the books about the incident. Heā€™s even written his own.

I ask if he accepts the Israeli apology, and the explanation it was all a mistake created in the fog of war: ā€œWhen you apologise, you apologise with the truth. Not with a lie. So itā€™s not an apology. Not as far as Iā€™m concerned and our government is just as bad off for going along with it," he answered.

To get a job on the Liberty, sailors were to have an outstanding service record and were chosen for their honesty and moral character. ā€œSomeone is lying here,ā€ says Gallo, ā€œand it isnā€™t usā€.

Even now he hopes there will be a full official inquiry into the events of June 8, 1967.

Robert Brooks and Ernie Gallo know itā€™s unlikely, but they still hope it might happen. They both say the families of the dead and the survivors deserve the truth, before they mark another anniversary.

Source: Al Jazeera Remembering USS Liberty When Israel attacked America - Al Jazeera English

I can't see why folks would blame Israel, they thought the Liberty was an Egyptian Warship.
Who wouldn't confuse the flag of the US and Egypt? I mean really?
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When there is no wind, and the pilots can't see the flag.

The Liberty was off the Egyptian coast during an active war between Egypt and Israel.

It's easy to see how it would be mistaken for an Egyptian ship.
 
Below are the links to the NSA.

They released transcripts of the Israeli pilots as captured by a NSA spy plane.

They prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Israeli pilots thought it was an Egyptian ship.

Also Israel was the to come to the rescue of the sailors.

Audio Recordings Transcripts- NSA CSS


https://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/uss_liberty/audio_trans_104.pdf

https://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/uss_liberty/audio_trans_105.pdf


https://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/uss_liberty/audio_trans_130.pdf
 
There can be no denying it was deliberate attack on an American vessel and what is worse is that the US Government recalled the fighters sent to protect the Liberty.
These sailors were all intense purposes were left for dead by the LBJ administration.



The ship was not supposed to be in the war zone. They were supposed to have received orders putting it closer to the libyan border but for some reason the orders were sent via the Philippines to the Med so the orders were delayed.
Israel twice asked for conformation that the US had no ships in the area.
There was a laundry list of mistakes, even disobeying Captain McGonagle's orders not to fire in the Israelis.
All of this was recoded in the initial interviews on board the Liberty right after the incident. There were several inquiries into the events and it always came down to error and mistaken identity, not a deliberate act against the US.
US asked Israel to pay restitution, which they did.


Agreed, and of course the US has *NEVER* in it's whole history hit the wrong target in any military operation ever conducted.

Everyone grasps that concept, and attacks the military repeatedly for any mistake... but when it comes to Israel, suddenly is magically an intentional deliberate attack, pre-planned to kill Americans.... or maybe it was a mistake, like we have done millions of times.

Anti-Israel people just make up crap. I'm used to it.


I already posted links to friendly fire against allies, it's own and foreign civilians. It was far from complete, just a starting point for more research by readers.

In the past I had to analyze air craft crashes to determine mechanical failure, pilot error or some other form of accident.
It is not uncommon for people in a relaxed or routine mode to delay in adapting to danger or urgency. Details are often filled in after the fact and not recognized in the first few seconds or minutes. They tend to fill in what they think or wish they had seen. Time seems to slow down or pass faster and events can be displaced in the memory. This can happen to anybody anxious or stressed. I have no doubt that many victims believe what they say happened, but evidence does not always support the memory.

During war the mind and body respond chemically and it can throw the body into a tail spin. Even decades later people can still feel the effects physically and mentally. They see and remember things, and relive things that did not really happen quite that way. The mind fills in blanks and makes connections that distort the reality. A bit like trying to see clearly with a strobe light or in a thick fog. You might catch images of large object but the details around it are unclear. Years later you can relive what you think happened not what actually happened. It take time to sort out. A noise, a smell, a stressful incident can trigger a memory, or faulty image making the person react as if they are back in war. Sadly some people never really heal.

As for the friendly fire....since they did not all happen in the Med, the details do not need to be part of this forum or this thread.
 
Alan Fisher

Richard Brooks still remembers when the alert came.

With klaxons sounding and people yelling, the tannoy system warned everyone "Standby to receive torpedo hit".

"I thought Iā€™ll never get out of this mess alive. Weird things were running through your minds, because Iā€™d chalked myself off."

He felt the torpedoes hit and the ship pitch to one side but realised he was still alive.

And then the priority became survival. As chief engineer, he could tell the engines were still working. ā€œMy machinery was still intact and I was still making headway. I yelled through the voice tube ā€˜Give me all the steam pressure youā€™ve got, letā€™s get the hell out of this areaā€™".

Eventually his ship, The USS Liberty made its way to safer waters and managed to take stock of the sustained attack. Thirty-four were lying dead, more than 171 were injured.

The victims of the day Israel attacked America.

The Liberty had been sitting in international waters off the Sinai Peninsula. A spy ship, it had been gathering information as the 1967 Arab-Israeli Six-Day War raged on land.

'Mistaken identity'

During the course of the day, the ship had been buzzed by Israeli aircraft. But flying the American flag, there was no cause for panic, no need for alarm.

ā€œPeople were sunbathing, enjoying the June sunshine,ā€ said Brooks, who was more concerned with keeping the engines running. The demands of the job perhaps saved his life.

Israel insisted it was a case of mistaken identity. It alleged that pilots were exhausted having fought so hard over the previous days. The US naval vessel was thought to be an Egyptian warship.

And thatā€™s why it was attacked with rockets and cannons and missiles and torpedoes.

But Brooks doesnā€™t buy the Israeli apology. Standing next to the graves of his shipmates in Arlington National Cemetery he tells me ā€œIt wasnā€™t a tragic accident, It was a deliberate attack. They knew who we were. They tried to sink us. They wanted us out to either bring the Americans into the war by blaming the Arabs or we picked up some information about their war plansā€.

INVESTIGATION: The Day Israel Attacked America

Websites set up to discuss the Liberty back Brooksā€™ suggestion. Some claim the Israeli planes which attacked were unmarked, hoping theyā€™d be mistaken for Arab fighter jets. Others speculate that it was known the radio signals from the Liberty could be hacked by the Russians. And worried the US had picked up sensitive information about plans for the Golan Heights, which the Russians would pass to their allies, the Egyptians, the Israelis tried to sink the spy ship.

Every year on June 8, the survivors gather to mark the attack - to read the names of the dead and to share stories and memories.

The numbers are less every year. This year there were just seven survivors in attendance. But the passion to find out exactly what happened remains undiminished. As they stand between the white grave stones, a light summer breeze taking the edge off the afternoon heat, the memorial service also includes a call for justice and for truth.

'We had a ship to sail'

Ernie Gallo is the president of the USS Liberty Survivors Group.

When you apologise, you apologise with the truth. Not with a lie. So itā€™s not an apology.

Ernie Gallo, USS Liberty Survivors Group

He remembers the attack and how everything seemed surprisingly calm. ā€œWe had to do what we could for our dead and wounded. We had a ship to sail. We had to get to safetyā€

Heā€™s read the reports, the official inquiries and read the books about the incident. Heā€™s even written his own.

I ask if he accepts the Israeli apology, and the explanation it was all a mistake created in the fog of war: ā€œWhen you apologise, you apologise with the truth. Not with a lie. So itā€™s not an apology. Not as far as Iā€™m concerned and our government is just as bad off for going along with it," he answered.

To get a job on the Liberty, sailors were to have an outstanding service record and were chosen for their honesty and moral character. ā€œSomeone is lying here,ā€ says Gallo, ā€œand it isnā€™t usā€.

Even now he hopes there will be a full official inquiry into the events of June 8, 1967.

Robert Brooks and Ernie Gallo know itā€™s unlikely, but they still hope it might happen. They both say the families of the dead and the survivors deserve the truth, before they mark another anniversary.

Source: Al Jazeera Remembering USS Liberty When Israel attacked America - Al Jazeera English

I can't see why folks would blame Israel, they thought the Liberty was an Egyptian Warship.
Who wouldn't confuse the flag of the US and Egypt? I mean really?
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No ship would have flown a ceremonial flag in normal or war situations. Everyone on board the Liberty should have know that.
The reports of the winds were calm so the flag might not have been seen.

There were mistakes on all sides to be sure, but an intentional attack when they are already fighting three other countries makes no sense.

The idea of radio transmission with syria also makes no sense.
 
You might be able to write off the attack as mistaken identity if only aircraft were involved.
However, About 30 minutes into the attack, three torpedo boats appeared. Flying the Star of David, the vessels were not on a rescue mission. They proceeded to attack the Liberty with cannons, machine guns and torpedoes. One torpedo struck the Liberty midship, instantly killing 25 Americans while flooding the lower decks. The Israeli torpedo boats later struck the life rafts the Liberty crew had launched when preparing to abandon ship, sending the message that there would be no survivors. so there s no way it was a case of mistaken identity.
The other thing is that everyone is ignoring the fact that the naval aircraft that were sent to protect the Liberty were recalled and the Liberty crew were left on their own.
That is a total failure of our government to protect out service men. LBJ should have been crucified for that alone.
 
You might be able to write off the attack as mistaken identity if only aircraft were involved.
However, About 30 minutes into the attack, three torpedo boats appeared. Flying the Star of David, the vessels were not on a rescue mission. They proceeded to attack the Liberty with cannons, machine guns and torpedoes. One torpedo struck the Liberty midship, instantly killing 25 Americans while flooding the lower decks. The Israeli torpedo boats later struck the life rafts the Liberty crew had launched when preparing to abandon ship, sending the message that there would be no survivors. so there s no way it was a case of mistaken identity.
The other thing is that everyone is ignoring the fact that the naval aircraft that were sent to protect the Liberty were recalled and the Liberty crew were left on their own.
That is a total failure of our government to protect out service men. LBJ should have been crucified for that alone.

The Israelis torpedo boats were fired on by the Liberty before they fired. This is where the crew disobeyed Captain McGonagle's order
The rafts were damaged, they were not sunk by Israelis

>>Lt. Painter testified that most of the life rafts had been damaged and set alight during the prior jet attacks on the ship, and that his crew pushed many of these burning life rafts overboard:

"At this time [after the torpedo attack], the DC central passed the word to prepare to abandon ship. We then filed out to our life rafts which were no longer with us because they had been strafed and most of them were burned, so we knocked most of them over the side... All during this time in Repair Three, my men were fighting fires and knocking burning life rafts, etc."<<

Why don't people actually read the records before making accusation?

Israel did not shoot the rafts in the water.
 
You might be able to write off the attack as mistaken identity if only aircraft were involved.
However, About 30 minutes into the attack, three torpedo boats appeared. Flying the Star of David, the vessels were not on a rescue mission. They proceeded to attack the Liberty with cannons, machine guns and torpedoes. One torpedo struck the Liberty midship, instantly killing 25 Americans while flooding the lower decks. The Israeli torpedo boats later struck the life rafts the Liberty crew had launched when preparing to abandon ship, sending the message that there would be no survivors. so there s no way it was a case of mistaken identity.
The other thing is that everyone is ignoring the fact that the naval aircraft that were sent to protect the Liberty were recalled and the Liberty crew were left on their own.
That is a total failure of our government to protect out service men. LBJ should have been crucified for that alone.

The Israelis torpedo boats were fired on by the Liberty before they fired. This is where the crew disobeyed Captain McGonagle's order
The rafts were damaged, they were not sunk by Israelis

>>Lt. Painter testified that most of the life rafts had been damaged and set alight during the prior jet attacks on the ship, and that his crew pushed many of these burning life rafts overboard:

"At this time [after the torpedo attack], the DC central passed the word to prepare to abandon ship. We then filed out to our life rafts which were no longer with us because they had been strafed and most of them were burned, so we knocked most of them over the side... All during this time in Repair Three, my men were fighting fires and knocking burning life rafts, etc."<<

Why don't people actually read the records before making accusation?

Israel did not shoot the rafts in the water.
More Excuses for the Israelis....Yet not a word about the recall of the fighters sent to protect the Liberty.
Getting tired of hearing from the Israeli apologists. Why were our jets sent to protect the Liberty recalled?
 
You might be able to write off the attack as mistaken identity if only aircraft were involved.
However, About 30 minutes into the attack, three torpedo boats appeared. Flying the Star of David, the vessels were not on a rescue mission. They proceeded to attack the Liberty with cannons, machine guns and torpedoes. One torpedo struck the Liberty midship, instantly killing 25 Americans while flooding the lower decks. The Israeli torpedo boats later struck the life rafts the Liberty crew had launched when preparing to abandon ship, sending the message that there would be no survivors. so there s no way it was a case of mistaken identity.
The other thing is that everyone is ignoring the fact that the naval aircraft that were sent to protect the Liberty were recalled and the Liberty crew were left on their own.
That is a total failure of our government to protect out service men. LBJ should have been crucified for that alone.

The Israelis torpedo boats were fired on by the Liberty before they fired. This is where the crew disobeyed Captain McGonagle's order
The rafts were damaged, they were not sunk by Israelis

>>Lt. Painter testified that most of the life rafts had been damaged and set alight during the prior jet attacks on the ship, and that his crew pushed many of these burning life rafts overboard:

"At this time [after the torpedo attack], the DC central passed the word to prepare to abandon ship. We then filed out to our life rafts which were no longer with us because they had been strafed and most of them were burned, so we knocked most of them over the side... All during this time in Repair Three, my men were fighting fires and knocking burning life rafts, etc."<<

Why don't people actually read the records before making accusation?

Israel did not shoot the rafts in the water.
More Excuses for the Israelis....Yet not a word about the recall of the fighters sent to protect the Liberty.
Getting tired of hearing from the Israeli apologists. Why were our jets sent to protect the Liberty recalled?

Not excuses, those are the facts of the testimony. The rafts had been damaged before even being put in the water.

As for the rescue planes...
Vice-Admiral William I. Martin recalled the planes that had left the USS America within minutes of their take off. Orders came from Secretary of Defense McNamara and confirmed by President Johnson for the recall.
 
I am not apologizing.

I am giving the facts.

I posted the link to the actual transmission of the Israeli pilots caught by a U.S. Spy plane.

Case closed.
 
You might be able to write off the attack as mistaken identity if only aircraft were involved.
However, About 30 minutes into the attack, three torpedo boats appeared. Flying the Star of David, the vessels were not on a rescue mission. They proceeded to attack the Liberty with cannons, machine guns and torpedoes. One torpedo struck the Liberty midship, instantly killing 25 Americans while flooding the lower decks. The Israeli torpedo boats later struck the life rafts the Liberty crew had launched when preparing to abandon ship, sending the message that there would be no survivors. so there s no way it was a case of mistaken identity.
The other thing is that everyone is ignoring the fact that the naval aircraft that were sent to protect the Liberty were recalled and the Liberty crew were left on their own.
That is a total failure of our government to protect out service men. LBJ should have been crucified for that alone.

The Israelis torpedo boats were fired on by the Liberty before they fired. This is where the crew disobeyed Captain McGonagle's order
The rafts were damaged, they were not sunk by Israelis

>>Lt. Painter testified that most of the life rafts had been damaged and set alight during the prior jet attacks on the ship, and that his crew pushed many of these burning life rafts overboard:

"At this time [after the torpedo attack], the DC central passed the word to prepare to abandon ship. We then filed out to our life rafts which were no longer with us because they had been strafed and most of them were burned, so we knocked most of them over the side... All during this time in Repair Three, my men were fighting fires and knocking burning life rafts, etc."<<

Why don't people actually read the records before making accusation?

Israel did not shoot the rafts in the water.
More Excuses for the Israelis....Yet not a word about the recall of the fighters sent to protect the Liberty.
Getting tired of hearing from the Israeli apologists. Why were our jets sent to protect the Liberty recalled?

Not excuses, those are the facts of the testimony. The rafts had been damaged before even being put in the water.

As for the rescue planes...
Vice-Admiral William I. Martin recalled the planes that had left the USS America within minutes of their take off. Orders came from Secretary of Defense McNamara and confirmed by President Johnson for the recall.

We know the fighters were recalled. The question is why?
Why would Secretary of Defense McNamara and President Johnson leave our servicemen so vulnerable? What is your excuse for that one?
 
You might be able to write off the attack as mistaken identity if only aircraft were involved.
However, About 30 minutes into the attack, three torpedo boats appeared. Flying the Star of David, the vessels were not on a rescue mission. They proceeded to attack the Liberty with cannons, machine guns and torpedoes. One torpedo struck the Liberty midship, instantly killing 25 Americans while flooding the lower decks. The Israeli torpedo boats later struck the life rafts the Liberty crew had launched when preparing to abandon ship, sending the message that there would be no survivors. so there s no way it was a case of mistaken identity.
The other thing is that everyone is ignoring the fact that the naval aircraft that were sent to protect the Liberty were recalled and the Liberty crew were left on their own.
That is a total failure of our government to protect out service men. LBJ should have been crucified for that alone.

The Israelis torpedo boats were fired on by the Liberty before they fired. This is where the crew disobeyed Captain McGonagle's order
The rafts were damaged, they were not sunk by Israelis

>>Lt. Painter testified that most of the life rafts had been damaged and set alight during the prior jet attacks on the ship, and that his crew pushed many of these burning life rafts overboard:

"At this time [after the torpedo attack], the DC central passed the word to prepare to abandon ship. We then filed out to our life rafts which were no longer with us because they had been strafed and most of them were burned, so we knocked most of them over the side... All during this time in Repair Three, my men were fighting fires and knocking burning life rafts, etc."<<

Why don't people actually read the records before making accusation?

Israel did not shoot the rafts in the water.
More Excuses for the Israelis....Yet not a word about the recall of the fighters sent to protect the Liberty.
Getting tired of hearing from the Israeli apologists. Why were our jets sent to protect the Liberty recalled?

Not excuses, those are the facts of the testimony. The rafts had been damaged before even being put in the water.

As for the rescue planes...
Vice-Admiral William I. Martin recalled the planes that had left the USS America within minutes of their take off. Orders came from Secretary of Defense McNamara and confirmed by President Johnson for the recall.

We know the fighters were recalled. The question is why?
Why would Secretary of Defense McNamara and President Johnson leave our servicemen so vulnerable? What is your excuse for that one?

You expect me to make excuses of the SoD or POTUS? Not privy to that intel. One possibility was that they realized errors had been made and did not want a possible escalation. Fighter were not needed that might fire on Israeli vessels. Liberty was not sinking and could make their way back for repairs. The incident was a tragic accident and did not need a farther strain on relationships.

There was no need for the response aircraft and did not need to trigger either Israeli or US planes being shot down in the war theater off the Israeli coast. The planes were fighters not rescue helicopters and could not help the Liberty or the sailors. What do you expect the fighters to do in the war zone? It was not enough that they had a ship there by mistake?
 
You might be able to write off the attack as mistaken identity if only aircraft were involved.
However, About 30 minutes into the attack, three torpedo boats appeared. Flying the Star of David, the vessels were not on a rescue mission. They proceeded to attack the Liberty with cannons, machine guns and torpedoes. One torpedo struck the Liberty midship, instantly killing 25 Americans while flooding the lower decks. The Israeli torpedo boats later struck the life rafts the Liberty crew had launched when preparing to abandon ship, sending the message that there would be no survivors. so there s no way it was a case of mistaken identity.
The other thing is that everyone is ignoring the fact that the naval aircraft that were sent to protect the Liberty were recalled and the Liberty crew were left on their own.
That is a total failure of our government to protect out service men. LBJ should have been crucified for that alone.

The Israelis torpedo boats were fired on by the Liberty before they fired. This is where the crew disobeyed Captain McGonagle's order
The rafts were damaged, they were not sunk by Israelis

>>Lt. Painter testified that most of the life rafts had been damaged and set alight during the prior jet attacks on the ship, and that his crew pushed many of these burning life rafts overboard:

"At this time [after the torpedo attack], the DC central passed the word to prepare to abandon ship. We then filed out to our life rafts which were no longer with us because they had been strafed and most of them were burned, so we knocked most of them over the side... All during this time in Repair Three, my men were fighting fires and knocking burning life rafts, etc."<<

Why don't people actually read the records before making accusation?

Israel did not shoot the rafts in the water.
More Excuses for the Israelis....Yet not a word about the recall of the fighters sent to protect the Liberty.
Getting tired of hearing from the Israeli apologists. Why were our jets sent to protect the Liberty recalled?

Not excuses, those are the facts of the testimony. The rafts had been damaged before even being put in the water.

As for the rescue planes...
Vice-Admiral William I. Martin recalled the planes that had left the USS America within minutes of their take off. Orders came from Secretary of Defense McNamara and confirmed by President Johnson for the recall.

We know the fighters were recalled. The question is why?
Why would Secretary of Defense McNamara and President Johnson leave our servicemen so vulnerable? What is your excuse for that one?

You expect me to make excuses of the SoD or POTUS? Not privy to that intel. One possibility was that they realized errors had been made and did not want a possible escalation. Fighter were not needed that might fire on Israeli vessels. Liberty was not sinking and could make their way back for repairs. The incident was a tragic accident and did not need a farther strain on relationships.

There was no need for the response aircraft and did not need to trigger either Israeli or US planes being shot down in the war theater off the Israeli coast. The planes were fighters not rescue helicopters and could not help the Liberty or the sailors. What do you expect the fighters to do in the war zone? It was not enough that they had a ship there by mistake?
Of course they were fighters, the idea was to prevent any further attacks on the Liberty from either the Israeli aircraft or their patrol boats. However the traitor LBJ hung our troops out to dry.
 
The Israelis torpedo boats were fired on by the Liberty before they fired. This is where the crew disobeyed Captain McGonagle's order
The rafts were damaged, they were not sunk by Israelis

>>Lt. Painter testified that most of the life rafts had been damaged and set alight during the prior jet attacks on the ship, and that his crew pushed many of these burning life rafts overboard:

"At this time [after the torpedo attack], the DC central passed the word to prepare to abandon ship. We then filed out to our life rafts which were no longer with us because they had been strafed and most of them were burned, so we knocked most of them over the side... All during this time in Repair Three, my men were fighting fires and knocking burning life rafts, etc."<<

Why don't people actually read the records before making accusation?

Israel did not shoot the rafts in the water.
More Excuses for the Israelis....Yet not a word about the recall of the fighters sent to protect the Liberty.
Getting tired of hearing from the Israeli apologists. Why were our jets sent to protect the Liberty recalled?

Not excuses, those are the facts of the testimony. The rafts had been damaged before even being put in the water.

As for the rescue planes...
Vice-Admiral William I. Martin recalled the planes that had left the USS America within minutes of their take off. Orders came from Secretary of Defense McNamara and confirmed by President Johnson for the recall.

We know the fighters were recalled. The question is why?
Why would Secretary of Defense McNamara and President Johnson leave our servicemen so vulnerable? What is your excuse for that one?

You expect me to make excuses of the SoD or POTUS? Not privy to that intel. One possibility was that they realized errors had been made and did not want a possible escalation. Fighter were not needed that might fire on Israeli vessels. Liberty was not sinking and could make their way back for repairs. The incident was a tragic accident and did not need a farther strain on relationships.

There was no need for the response aircraft and did not need to trigger either Israeli or US planes being shot down in the war theater off the Israeli coast. The planes were fighters not rescue helicopters and could not help the Liberty or the sailors. What do you expect the fighters to do in the war zone? It was not enough that they had a ship there by mistake?
Of course they were fighters, the idea was to prevent any further attacks on the Liberty from either the Israeli aircraft or their patrol boats. However the traitor LBJ hung our troops out to dry.

there was no need for the fighters at that point. How would the fighters have saved any more lives? The incident was over. Fighters would only have made Israel feel more threatened by entering their zone. It would not have helped the sailors from the USS Liberty.

The strafing was error, the torpedo was because the Liberty fired on the Israelis. Fighters would just have made a bad situation worse.

So why do you think the fighters should not have been recalled? Did you want them to start a war with Israel? Did you want to start an incident with the soviet destroyer (DDG 626/4, Kildin class) near that part of the med? There were two soviet subs in the area as well. Did you want a possible nuclear war between the US and USSR, USSR being a backer of the Egyptian and Syrian military?

Did you even think for yourself why the fighters might not have been the right call?
 
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[ It was not enough that they had a ship there by mistake?
Forget it, your last line shows where your Allegiance really is.

They were there my mistake. They were supposed to at 23 nmi and later orders were to move to 100 nmi from the area. So explain how 12 nmi from the Israel coast is not a mistake?
How does stating the facts "show where my allegiance" is? Do your lies show where your allegiance is, against the US?
 
Alan Fisher

Richard Brooks still remembers when the alert came.

With klaxons sounding and people yelling, the tannoy system warned everyone "Standby to receive torpedo hit".

"I thought Iā€™ll never get out of this mess alive. Weird things were running through your minds, because Iā€™d chalked myself off."

He felt the torpedoes hit and the ship pitch to one side but realised he was still alive.

And then the priority became survival. As chief engineer, he could tell the engines were still working. ā€œMy machinery was still intact and I was still making headway. I yelled through the voice tube ā€˜Give me all the steam pressure youā€™ve got, letā€™s get the hell out of this areaā€™".

Eventually his ship, The USS Liberty made its way to safer waters and managed to take stock of the sustained attack. Thirty-four were lying dead, more than 171 were injured.

The victims of the day Israel attacked America.

The Liberty had been sitting in international waters off the Sinai Peninsula. A spy ship, it had been gathering information as the 1967 Arab-Israeli Six-Day War raged on land.

'Mistaken identity'

During the course of the day, the ship had been buzzed by Israeli aircraft. But flying the American flag, there was no cause for panic, no need for alarm.

ā€œPeople were sunbathing, enjoying the June sunshine,ā€ said Brooks, who was more concerned with keeping the engines running. The demands of the job perhaps saved his life.

Israel insisted it was a case of mistaken identity. It alleged that pilots were exhausted having fought so hard over the previous days. The US naval vessel was thought to be an Egyptian warship.

And thatā€™s why it was attacked with rockets and cannons and missiles and torpedoes.

But Brooks doesnā€™t buy the Israeli apology. Standing next to the graves of his shipmates in Arlington National Cemetery he tells me ā€œIt wasnā€™t a tragic accident, It was a deliberate attack. They knew who we were. They tried to sink us. They wanted us out to either bring the Americans into the war by blaming the Arabs or we picked up some information about their war plansā€.

INVESTIGATION: The Day Israel Attacked America

Websites set up to discuss the Liberty back Brooksā€™ suggestion. Some claim the Israeli planes which attacked were unmarked, hoping theyā€™d be mistaken for Arab fighter jets. Others speculate that it was known the radio signals from the Liberty could be hacked by the Russians. And worried the US had picked up sensitive information about plans for the Golan Heights, which the Russians would pass to their allies, the Egyptians, the Israelis tried to sink the spy ship.

Every year on June 8, the survivors gather to mark the attack - to read the names of the dead and to share stories and memories.

The numbers are less every year. This year there were just seven survivors in attendance. But the passion to find out exactly what happened remains undiminished. As they stand between the white grave stones, a light summer breeze taking the edge off the afternoon heat, the memorial service also includes a call for justice and for truth.

'We had a ship to sail'

Ernie Gallo is the president of the USS Liberty Survivors Group.

When you apologise, you apologise with the truth. Not with a lie. So itā€™s not an apology.

Ernie Gallo, USS Liberty Survivors Group

He remembers the attack and how everything seemed surprisingly calm. ā€œWe had to do what we could for our dead and wounded. We had a ship to sail. We had to get to safetyā€

Heā€™s read the reports, the official inquiries and read the books about the incident. Heā€™s even written his own.

I ask if he accepts the Israeli apology, and the explanation it was all a mistake created in the fog of war: ā€œWhen you apologise, you apologise with the truth. Not with a lie. So itā€™s not an apology. Not as far as Iā€™m concerned and our government is just as bad off for going along with it," he answered.

To get a job on the Liberty, sailors were to have an outstanding service record and were chosen for their honesty and moral character. ā€œSomeone is lying here,ā€ says Gallo, ā€œand it isnā€™t usā€.

Even now he hopes there will be a full official inquiry into the events of June 8, 1967.

Robert Brooks and Ernie Gallo know itā€™s unlikely, but they still hope it might happen. They both say the families of the dead and the survivors deserve the truth, before they mark another anniversary.

Source: Al Jazeera Remembering USS Liberty When Israel attacked America - Al Jazeera English
That's only one side of the story.

Yes, it is the American side of the story. You support the Israeli side of the story.

the American side of the story, as in the American government saying themselves it was a mistake?
 
Alan Fisher

Richard Brooks still remembers when the alert came.

With klaxons sounding and people yelling, the tannoy system warned everyone "Standby to receive torpedo hit".

"I thought Iā€™ll never get out of this mess alive. Weird things were running through your minds, because Iā€™d chalked myself off."

He felt the torpedoes hit and the ship pitch to one side but realised he was still alive.

And then the priority became survival. As chief engineer, he could tell the engines were still working. ā€œMy machinery was still intact and I was still making headway. I yelled through the voice tube ā€˜Give me all the steam pressure youā€™ve got, letā€™s get the hell out of this areaā€™".

Eventually his ship, The USS Liberty made its way to safer waters and managed to take stock of the sustained attack. Thirty-four were lying dead, more than 171 were injured.

The victims of the day Israel attacked America.

The Liberty had been sitting in international waters off the Sinai Peninsula. A spy ship, it had been gathering information as the 1967 Arab-Israeli Six-Day War raged on land.

'Mistaken identity'

During the course of the day, the ship had been buzzed by Israeli aircraft. But flying the American flag, there was no cause for panic, no need for alarm.

ā€œPeople were sunbathing, enjoying the June sunshine,ā€ said Brooks, who was more concerned with keeping the engines running. The demands of the job perhaps saved his life.

Israel insisted it was a case of mistaken identity. It alleged that pilots were exhausted having fought so hard over the previous days. The US naval vessel was thought to be an Egyptian warship.

And thatā€™s why it was attacked with rockets and cannons and missiles and torpedoes.

But Brooks doesnā€™t buy the Israeli apology. Standing next to the graves of his shipmates in Arlington National Cemetery he tells me ā€œIt wasnā€™t a tragic accident, It was a deliberate attack. They knew who we were. They tried to sink us. They wanted us out to either bring the Americans into the war by blaming the Arabs or we picked up some information about their war plansā€.

INVESTIGATION: The Day Israel Attacked America

Websites set up to discuss the Liberty back Brooksā€™ suggestion. Some claim the Israeli planes which attacked were unmarked, hoping theyā€™d be mistaken for Arab fighter jets. Others speculate that it was known the radio signals from the Liberty could be hacked by the Russians. And worried the US had picked up sensitive information about plans for the Golan Heights, which the Russians would pass to their allies, the Egyptians, the Israelis tried to sink the spy ship.

Every year on June 8, the survivors gather to mark the attack - to read the names of the dead and to share stories and memories.

The numbers are less every year. This year there were just seven survivors in attendance. But the passion to find out exactly what happened remains undiminished. As they stand between the white grave stones, a light summer breeze taking the edge off the afternoon heat, the memorial service also includes a call for justice and for truth.

'We had a ship to sail'

Ernie Gallo is the president of the USS Liberty Survivors Group.

When you apologise, you apologise with the truth. Not with a lie. So itā€™s not an apology.

Ernie Gallo, USS Liberty Survivors Group

He remembers the attack and how everything seemed surprisingly calm. ā€œWe had to do what we could for our dead and wounded. We had a ship to sail. We had to get to safetyā€

Heā€™s read the reports, the official inquiries and read the books about the incident. Heā€™s even written his own.

I ask if he accepts the Israeli apology, and the explanation it was all a mistake created in the fog of war: ā€œWhen you apologise, you apologise with the truth. Not with a lie. So itā€™s not an apology. Not as far as Iā€™m concerned and our government is just as bad off for going along with it," he answered.

To get a job on the Liberty, sailors were to have an outstanding service record and were chosen for their honesty and moral character. ā€œSomeone is lying here,ā€ says Gallo, ā€œand it isnā€™t usā€.

Even now he hopes there will be a full official inquiry into the events of June 8, 1967.

Robert Brooks and Ernie Gallo know itā€™s unlikely, but they still hope it might happen. They both say the families of the dead and the survivors deserve the truth, before they mark another anniversary.

Source: Al Jazeera Remembering USS Liberty When Israel attacked America - Al Jazeera English
That's only one side of the story.

Yes, it is the American side of the story. You support the Israeli side of the story.

the American side of the story, as in the American government saying themselves it was a mistake?
The American side is that it was a mistake.

Over 5 different US government investigations ALL concluded it was a mistake.

I posted the US Navy Inquest findings, with the link that has the sworn testimony of the witnesses.
 
I also posted the transcripts of the Israeli pilots transmissions as caught by a NSA spy plane from the NSA web site.


History Overview of the USS Liberty Incident Jewish Virtual Library
A U.S. spy plane was sent to the area as soon as the NSA learned of the attack on the Liberty and recorded the conversations of two Israeli Air Force helicopter pilots, which took place between 2:30 and 3:37 p.m. on June 8. The orders radioed to the pilots by their supervisor at the Hatzor base instructing them to search for Egyptian survivors from the ā€œEgyptian warshipā€ that had just been bombed were also recorded by the NSA. ā€œPay attention. The ship is now identified as Egyptian,ā€ the pilots were informed. Nine minutes later, Hatzor told the pilots the ship was believed to be an Egyptian cargo ship. At 3:07, the pilots were first told the ship might not be Egyptian and were instructed to search for survivors and inform the base immediately the nationality of the first person they rescued. It was not until 3:12 that one of the pilots reported that he saw an American flag flying over the ship at which point he was instructed to verify if it was indeed a U.S. vessel.6
 

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