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No lie, just the rational human's inability to foresee mindless Pub, and insurers', dishonesty and obstruction...
I'm not really sure why I'm asking....but why do you think NBC News is lying about the President? Any theories?
This all sounds very ominous until you consider that the naturally high turnover rate associated with the individual market means that it's highly unlikely that individuals would still be enrolled in plans from 2010 in 2014. In fact, the Obama administration publicly admitted this when it issued the regulations in 2010, leading Republicans like Sen. Mike Enzi (R-WY) to seize on the story in order to push for repeal of the grandfather regulations. Here is a story in The Hill from Sep. 22, 2010 pointing to this very same 40 to 67 percent range. [...]
The debate was widely covered in the press, so it's unclear what exactly the NBC investigation unit has uncovered.
Here Is What's Wrong With That Story About Obama Knowing That Your Health Care Policy Would Get Cancelled
This is stunning. Absolutely stunning. And the report is from NBC News! Please read this and see how your President lies to you.
Report: Obama administration knew millions wouldn't be able to keep insurance
By Mike Krumboltz, Yahoo News
"Before the Affordable Care Act became law in 2010, President Obama promised Americans they could keep their healthcare plan if they liked it. But already hundreds of thousands of citizens are receiving notification that their plans are being cancelled because they don't comply with the new law, and, according to NBC News, the Obama administration has known for at least three years the cancellations were coming.
While campaigning for health care reform in 2009, Obama went out of his way to make one thing perfectly clear: if you like your current health care plan, you will be able to keep it.
On June 15, 2009, Obama said this: "We will keep this promise to the American people. If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If you like your healthcare plan, you will be able to keep your healthcare plan. Period.
In 2012, he echoed that sentiment, saying, "If [you] already have health insurance, you will keep your health insurance.
However, many are finding that not to be the case. More than 300,000 cancellation notices have been sent out in Florida, according to Kaiser Health News, and another 180,000 in California. In New Jersey, the number of cancellations tops 800,000, the Star-Ledger reports.
According to NBC News, approximately 50 to 75 percent of the 14 million Americans who buy their health insurance individually should expect to receive a cancellation letter over the next year "because their existing policies dont meet the standards mandated by the new health care law."
This could result in millions of Americans being forced to purchase different policies, potentially at higher premiums.
So how did the Obama administration know the cancellations would be coming?
The Affordable Care Act states that people who had health insurance prior to March 23, 2010 the day President Obama signed the bill into law will be able to keep those policies even if they don't meet the requirements of the new law. However, the Department of Health and Human Services tightened that provision, so that "if any part of a policy was significantly changed since that date -- the deductible, co-pay, or benefits, for example -- the policy would not be grandfathered," NBC News reports.
Because the market for individual insurance experiences significant turnover, the insinuation is the Obama administration had to have known many policies "grandfathered" in would not qualify for the ACA. NBC News claims that the administration knew in 2010 that "more than 40 to 67 percent of those in the individual market would not be able to keep their plans, even if they liked them."
This says that when they made the promise [that individuals could keep their plans], they knew half the people in this market outright couldnt keep what they had and then they wrote the rules so that others couldnt make it either, Robert Laszewski of Health Policy and Strategy Associates told NBC News.
Monday, former Obama adviser David Axelrod said on MSNBC's Morning Joe that "most people are going to keep their own plan." When asked about Axelrod's admission of "most" as opposed to all, White House spokesman Jay Carney acknowledge that some individual's plans will be cancelled, but countered that the plans they switch to will be better and affordable.
"What the president said and what everybody said all along is that there are going to be changes brought about by the Affordable Care Act to create minimum standards of coverage," Carney said. " So it's true that there are existing health-care plans on the individual market that don't meet those minimum standards and therefore do not qualify for the Affordable Care Act."
Actually, what the President said back in 2009 was "[the Affordable Care Act] is for people who arent happy with their current plan. If you like what youre getting, keep it. Nobody is forcing you to shift."
Only now, some who like their plans are being forced, including Laszewski. According to NBC News, he has a so-called "Cadillac plan" "the best health insurance policy you can buy," he said but recently received notice in the mail that it was being cancelled."
Hello nutters!
I am glad that I am not married to someone who takes every sentence I utter, interprets it in a way that they like, and uses it for years as a dagger with which to screw up our family life.
The President is guilty of overselling the idea that you can keep the plan you have. He did not mention that it meant the plan you have needs to be worth a shit. That is probably because he knows that dumb shits like you cannot think clearly when it comes to what he says.
That said....all the people who are crying about losing coverage.....are not losing coverage. They are getting some basic consumer protections.....which some will have to pay a little bit more for.
Will you ever get your heads around it? If you do, will you admit it? Or...will you keep repeating the bullshit because it feels good?
what protections?
The GD site doesn't work and from what has been reported the prices are ridiculous. Congress passed a waiver and Obama signed it exempting them.
The site is not the only way to buy insurance.
It will be fixed in time.
The prices are not ridiculous. They are lower than plans with basic protection that were available on the individual market.
People telling you that they have double or triple the premiums.....are lying.
This all sounds very ominous until you consider that the naturally high turnover rate associated with the individual market means that it's highly unlikely that individuals would still be enrolled in plans from 2010 in 2014. In fact, the Obama administration publicly admitted this when it issued the regulations in 2010, leading Republicans like Sen. Mike Enzi (R-WY) to seize on the story in order to push for repeal of the grandfather regulations. Here is a story in The Hill from Sep. 22, 2010 pointing to this very same 40 to 67 percent range. [...]
The debate was widely covered in the press, so it's unclear what exactly the NBC investigation unit has uncovered.
Here Is What's Wrong With That Story About Obama Knowing That Your Health Care Policy Would Get Cancelled
Psssst?
Right we aren't even talking about the GRoup Market...we are talking about the individual market, try and stay on track.
Second, VERY few plans were grandfathered, MOST insurance companies simply complied with the Law and as such ALL of those plans were forced to be cancelled because of the ACA.
Psssst?
Right we aren't even talking about the GRoup Market...we are talking about the individual market, try and stay on track.
Second, VERY few plans were grandfathered, MOST insurance companies simply complied with the Law and as such ALL of those plans were forced to be cancelled because of the ACA.
??????????
your way behind, only 7 threads on this topic already.
This is stunning. Absolutely stunning. And the report is from NBC News! Please read this and see how your President lies to you.
Report: Obama administration knew millions wouldn't be able to keep insurance
By Mike Krumboltz, Yahoo News
"Before the Affordable Care Act became law in 2010, President Obama promised Americans they could keep their healthcare plan if they liked it. But already hundreds of thousands of citizens are receiving notification that their plans are being cancelled because they don't comply with the new law, and, according to NBC News, the Obama administration has known for at least three years the cancellations were coming.
While campaigning for health care reform in 2009, Obama went out of his way to make one thing perfectly clear: if you like your current health care plan, you will be able to keep it.
On June 15, 2009, Obama said this: "We will keep this promise to the American people. If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If you like your healthcare plan, you will be able to keep your healthcare plan. Period.
In 2012, he echoed that sentiment, saying, "If [you] already have health insurance, you will keep your health insurance.
However, many are finding that not to be the case. More than 300,000 cancellation notices have been sent out in Florida, according to Kaiser Health News, and another 180,000 in California. In New Jersey, the number of cancellations tops 800,000, the Star-Ledger reports.
According to NBC News, approximately 50 to 75 percent of the 14 million Americans who buy their health insurance individually should expect to receive a cancellation letter over the next year "because their existing policies dont meet the standards mandated by the new health care law."
This could result in millions of Americans being forced to purchase different policies, potentially at higher premiums.
So how did the Obama administration know the cancellations would be coming?
The Affordable Care Act states that people who had health insurance prior to March 23, 2010 the day President Obama signed the bill into law will be able to keep those policies even if they don't meet the requirements of the new law. However, the Department of Health and Human Services tightened that provision, so that "if any part of a policy was significantly changed since that date -- the deductible, co-pay, or benefits, for example -- the policy would not be grandfathered," NBC News reports.
Because the market for individual insurance experiences significant turnover, the insinuation is the Obama administration had to have known many policies "grandfathered" in would not qualify for the ACA. NBC News claims that the administration knew in 2010 that "more than 40 to 67 percent of those in the individual market would not be able to keep their plans, even if they liked them."
This says that when they made the promise [that individuals could keep their plans], they knew half the people in this market outright couldnt keep what they had and then they wrote the rules so that others couldnt make it either, Robert Laszewski of Health Policy and Strategy Associates told NBC News.
Monday, former Obama adviser David Axelrod said on MSNBC's Morning Joe that "most people are going to keep their own plan." When asked about Axelrod's admission of "most" as opposed to all, White House spokesman Jay Carney acknowledge that some individual's plans will be cancelled, but countered that the plans they switch to will be better and affordable.
"What the president said and what everybody said all along is that there are going to be changes brought about by the Affordable Care Act to create minimum standards of coverage," Carney said. " So it's true that there are existing health-care plans on the individual market that don't meet those minimum standards and therefore do not qualify for the Affordable Care Act."
Actually, what the President said back in 2009 was "[the Affordable Care Act] is for people who arent happy with their current plan. If you like what youre getting, keep it. Nobody is forcing you to shift."
Only now, some who like their plans are being forced, including Laszewski. According to NBC News, he has a so-called "Cadillac plan" "the best health insurance policy you can buy," he said but recently received notice in the mail that it was being cancelled."
Ok, so why haven't millions lost their insurance yet?
It's hard to buy into right-wing propaganda at the moment. These are the same clowns that say only 9 people have signed up for Obamacare, when we're well over 500,000 at the moment even without the websites being functional.
Ok, so why haven't millions lost their insurance yet?
It's hard to buy into right-wing propaganda at the moment. These are the same clowns that say only 9 people have signed up for Obamacare, when we're well over 500,000 at the moment even without the websites being functional.
Most insurance company enrollment periods run from October through the end of the year..
The bombs will be dropped over the next 8 weeks.
And now you will provide a factual link that backs up your claim of 500,000 enrolled.
Just because a person happens to actually get into the website, does not mean they have enrolled in the program.
No lie, just the rational human's inability to foresee mindless Pub, and insurers', dishonesty and obstruction...
I'm not really sure why I'm asking....but why do you think NBC News is lying about the President? Any theories?
You do realize that NBC is owned by a major player in the military industrial complex and they give way, WAY more money to Republicans than Democrats, right?
The media in America is not liberal. It's all owned by Republicans.
MSNBC just happens to be the only space left where truth and facts come into play.
Which is not the issue at all.These are crap policies being cancelled btw...
Actually, many of them are decent policies; they just do not offer 100% coverage on all preventative care. Costs are being shifted in many cases. For some, the policies under the ACA will be cheaper, but for others they will be more expensive. While I do support the ACA and believe it is a step in the right direction, there need to be some changes.
The medical coverage should have been better at their place of employment.
The medical coverage should have been better at their place of employment.
FYI NBC News took down the article earlier and they tweeted it was because of a "glitch"
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These are crap policies being cancelled btw...
Actually, many of them are decent policies; they just do not offer 100% coverage on all preventative care. Costs are being shifted in many cases. For some, the policies under the ACA will be cheaper, but for others they will be more expensive. While I do support the ACA and believe it is a step in the right direction, there need to be some changes.
