Republican bill stops funding to states issuing DL's to illegals

[AzogtheDefiler]

No. He actually did not. The alternative is unthinkable with Bernie

Sorry, it's hard to keep track of what he says as it changes so often. He said it would be "quickly". As noted, we are going in the opposite direction.

Trump-O-Meter: | PolitiFact

Logically no president can do this in their first term and get re-elected

No one says you get a second term and if you plan on living up to your word, you honor our word. Trump has not.

I disagree. You vote Sanders and I vote Trump. Let’s see what happens.

The problem never gets addressed is what happens.

What problem? What are you talking about?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

No. He actually did not. The alternative is unthinkable with Bernie

Sorry, it's hard to keep track of what he says as it changes so often. He said it would be "quickly". As noted, we are going in the opposite direction.

Trump-O-Meter: | PolitiFact

Logically no president can do this in their first term and get re-elected

No one says you get a second term and if you plan on living up to your word, you honor our word. Trump has not.

So what has Trump not honored that he was in total control of? A President or contender for President can only promise what they would like to do. But they can only do what's in their power. We have a complicated process for this. So for a President to keep his promise, he not only has to have the entire Congress behind him, but he must also have the cooperation of the courts, which as we have witnessed, Trump didn't have.

He never presented this great health care plan he had ready to go and that he said everyone was going to love.

It's entirely up to the president to decide to end the wars like he promised. While he can not get his budget passed on his own not a single one is balanced like he promised. Should I continue? No, you'll just be dishonest about it all.

That plan was supposed to be something Ryan already had. I am disappointed in the deficit and lack of healthcare alternative. I am happy with fewer regulations, lower taxes, stronger military, stronger border security, revised trade deals, Embassy in Jerusalem. He is not perfect but what politician is?

 

[JoeB131]

In your estimate what doctors make, you didn't consider their largest cost--malpractice insurance. Malpractice insurance can rage from 8K a year to over 200K a year, depending on what kind of medicine they practice and what areas they are practicing in. Malpractice is needed because we are a lawsuit happy country. The solution to that problem is what Britain does, and that is have a loser pays all law. Sue anybody you like, but if you lose, you are liable for all the costs associated with the person or company you tried to sue. That would reduce phony lawsuits by the billions in this country, and certainly would help in the healthcare field.

Wow, you buy into all the right wing lies.

First, malpractice is only a SMALL slice of medical costs. In fact, total costs of malpractice expenses, including both insurance and "preventive medicine" (I.E. taking the extra step so you don't cut off the wrong fucking leg) is all of 55 Billion a year out of a 3 Trillion Health Care industry, or about 2.4%. Taking away people's right to seek redress against medical incompetence (96,000 Americans a year die from medical mistakes, you think they are all faking it?)

Britian also has universal health care.. I'm sure you don't want to go there.

The True Cost Of Medical Malpractice - It May Surprise You

There are just so many ways to reduce medial costs without sacrificing the great quality of medical care we currently have.

Again, quality for SOME people, not everyone, and that's the problem. I've got mine fuck you might work for your house or car, but it shouldn't work for our health care.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Logically no president can do this in their first term and get re-elected

No one says you get a second term and if you plan on living up to your word, you honor our word. Trump has not.

So what has Trump not honored that he was in total control of? A President or contender for President can only promise what they would like to do. But they can only do what's in their power. We have a complicated process for this. So for a President to keep his promise, he not only has to have the entire Congress behind him, but he must also have the cooperation of the courts, which as we have witnessed, Trump didn't have.

He never presented this great health care plan he had ready to go and that he said everyone was going to love.

It's entirely up to the president to decide to end the wars like he promised. While he can not get his budget passed on his own not a single one is balanced like he promised. Should I continue? No, you'll just be dishonest about it all.

Hussien promised that if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. He promised us families would save 2.5K a year on healthcare insurance. He promised us great coverage with his plan and no more garbage policies. So what did we end up with?

Trump said he was going to get rid of Commie Care, and then replace it with something else. As I stated, a President can only give you what he promised with the cooperation of the majorities in Congress. He didn't have that, and since any government program would rely on tax money, you can't have two programs doing the same thing.

What Warren and Sander's are promising is unrealistic. It's unaffordable and would leave us as slaves to the government. I really don't think anybody has a reasonable solution to our problem.

What you are saying that we should just pack it in, quit, turn out the lights, it's hopeless.

The solution is free markets.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Logically no president can do this in their first term and get re-elected

No one says you get a second term and if you plan on living up to your word, you honor our word. Trump has not.

So what has Trump not honored that he was in total control of? A President or contender for President can only promise what they would like to do. But they can only do what's in their power. We have a complicated process for this. So for a President to keep his promise, he not only has to have the entire Congress behind him, but he must also have the cooperation of the courts, which as we have witnessed, Trump didn't have.

He never presented this great health care plan he had ready to go and that he said everyone was going to love.

It's entirely up to the president to decide to end the wars like he promised. While he can not get his budget passed on his own not a single one is balanced like he promised. Should I continue? No, you'll just be dishonest about it all.

Hussien promised that if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. He promised us families would save 2.5K a year on healthcare insurance. He promised us great coverage with his plan and no more garbage policies. So what did we end up with?

Trump said he was going to get rid of Commie Care, and then replace it with something else. As I stated, a President can only give you what he promised with the cooperation of the majorities in Congress. He didn't have that, and since any government program would rely on tax money, you can't have two programs doing the same thing.

What Warren and Sander's are promising is unrealistic. It's unaffordable and would leave us as slaves to the government. I really don't think anybody has a reasonable solution to our problem.

I kept my doctor and insurance. So did over 98 percent of Americans

Trump stated before he was elected that he had a plan that was better and cheaper than Obamacare. Turned out he had nothing and ordered Congress to come up with something and they failed miserably

Who told the bigger lie?

You are retired. You didn’t go on the ACA. 98%? Link it.

 

[Rigby5]

He never presented this great health care plan he had ready to go and that he said everyone was going to love.

It's entirely up to the president to decide to end the wars like he promised. While he can not get his budget passed on his own not a single one is balanced like he promised. Should I continue? No, you'll just be dishonest about it all.

Hussien promised that if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. He promised us families would save 2.5K a year on healthcare insurance. He promised us great coverage with his plan and no more garbage policies. So what did we end up with?

Trump said he was going to get rid of Commie Care, and then replace it with something else. As I stated, a President can only give you what he promised with the cooperation of the majorities in Congress. He didn't have that, and since any government program would rely on tax money, you can't have two programs doing the same thing.

What Warren and Sander's are promising is unrealistic. It's unaffordable and would leave us as slaves to the government. I really don't think anybody has a reasonable solution to our problem.

What you are saying that we should just pack it in, quit, turn out the lights, it's hopeless.

I don't think it is because we can always come up with something better. But it's so complex that would be a hell of a challenge.

We've been doing it wrong all along. The first step is to lower the cost of healthcare, and then decide how we pay for it. But the costs are what needs to be addressed first, and thus far, nobody has been able to do that, not a President, not a House member, not a Senate member.

Okay, let's take it one piece at a time.

Lower the cost of healthcare. This is complicated. You have

Facility
You can't change the Hospitals but you can add neighborhood clinics that are public supported. The Clinics would charge according to the income of the patient. Yes, the clinic is going to need money from public taxes. But it gets the ball rolling. We aren't far away from that now. Preventive Medicine is the best investment we can have.

Support Equipment
This going to have to a government intervention. Sorry, Capitalists, this is one area where Capitalism has gotten way too greedy. But the Government doesn't actually do it themselves. They appoint civilian over see er groups appointed by the local government to be the watch dog. For the Federal, I am sure that a group of Doctors would volunteer to oversee such a program. Then the Suppliers would have to justify their costs to the panels.

Staff Support
Here we get creative. Doctors already moonlight. But if we use the VA method and don't allow them to then a Doctor can't get bloody assed rich like they can today. For instance, the VA pays between 129K and 139K for their Doctors and doesn't allow moonlighting. But across town at the local hospital they still pay between 129K and 139K annually but they allow moonlighting. That same doctor ends up making more than 500K a year. So the VA has a shortage of Doctors while the Hospital has more than enough. This applies to any Doctor that wants an office or affiliation with any given hospital. This does not affect the independent Specialists. If you can't live on 139K a year you just can't live. That's much more than almost all Business Owners make.

This is just the start. But you will notice that it takes community involvement. Instead of the HMOs and Insurance Companies calling all the shots, the Community and the Doctors start calling the shots.

Now, about "You get to keep your Doctor". You didn't leave your Doctor, he left you. he decided not to accept funds from the ACA and to keep accepting funds from only the Insurance Companies, Drug Companies and the HMOs because he got nice little "Gifts" from them. Under the ACA, there were no nice little "Gifts". I suggest you work towards getting rid of the Corruption that is rampant in our Health Care today.

Medical is like anything else. The better you are, the more wages you are worth. There are good doctors and not so good doctors. There are good hospitals and not so good hospitals. The best doctors make the best money like in any line of work. That's why the VA doesn't have very good physicians.

In your estimate what doctors make, you didn't consider their largest cost--malpractice insurance. Malpractice insurance can rage from 8K a year to over 200K a year, depending on what kind of medicine they practice and what areas they are practicing in. Malpractice is needed because we are a lawsuit happy country. The solution to that problem is what Britain does, and that is have a loser pays all law. Sue anybody you like, but if you lose, you are liable for all the costs associated with the person or company you tried to sue. That would reduce phony lawsuits by the billions in this country, and certainly would help in the healthcare field.

Next is administration costs. If you read any articles from CEO"s of hospitals and insurance companies, you'd discover that administration fees are very costly. A person goes to the doctor for 80 or 100 bucks. That gets billed to your insurance, and they run back and forth with the provider to come to a settlement, and it costs them a small fortune which is paid for by the premiums we pay.

A mandatory medical savings account would reduce those costs for both provider and insurance company. A 1% deduction from your gross pay that goes into an MSA. When you see a doctor or visit an ER, you swipe your MSA card and the bill is paid.

There are just so many ways to reduce medial costs without sacrificing the great quality of medical care we currently have.

Medical savings accounts do not at all work.
That is because the amount you would have to save in order to be able to pay for any possible risk is far too large.
The only way to pay for health care is by pooling risk.
Everyone has to contribute, even though almost no one will ever need any significant pay out.
And the problem then is that whomever runs the pool has to make the payout, not you.
So then there is a problem controlling costs and quality of those medical providers billing the pool.

Private, for profit, insurance companies have proven to be horrible at this because they have no incentive to keep costs down or quality up.
And they do not allow you to control quality or costs either, because you alreadly prepaid.
Prepaying anything is always a horrific idea, and is always essentially a scam.

So the ONLY alternative that has ever worked is public health care.
That is because the large staff of a government run system can ensure both quality and costs.
And while the VA does not pay as much so has worse providers, they still are an example of a system that works.
The VA still does provide much better health care at much lower costs.
That is because you get seen by a number of doctors instead of just one, so any deficiencies in any one doctor can be taken care of by another.
It clearly works, and if everyone would have VA hospital access, clearly health care in the US would be much better and much less expensive.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Of course this is common sense legislation, but as we all know, Democrats lack that gift. They would rather see American business people locked up behind bars because their claim is those employers attract illegals to our country, but making them comfortable by issuing drivers licenses so they can get drunk and kill Americans is not luring them in.

Uh, Dummy. Nobody is coming here so they can drive. They are coming here for jobs.

It's estimated we have over 20 million illegals in this country. Do you think that all or most illegals have a job? People don't come here to drive, but it makes coming here much more attractive.

States issuing driver's licenses to undocumented is to our benefit, not theirs.
By reciprocity treaties, they can drive in the US under the license issued in Mexico, just like we can use a US license in Mexico.
The purpose of issuing a license to undocumented in the US is so that we can train and test them better.
And have an accurate address in case of any legal disputes.
A driver's license is not allowed to be used as an ID by any level of government, including federal.

States issuing driver's licenses has nothing to do with recognizing a valid driver's license issued by another country.

For a lot of years, I had an international drivers license that was accepted in MOST countries including the US and Mexico. I was overseas more than I was stateside. But once I came back to the US I had to get a State Issued Drivers license. It has to do with your legal residence. For instance, if you move from state to another, you have X number of days to get the states DL that you moved to. If you have someone from Mexico that is living in the US, that Mexican DL is good for X number of days and then he MUST get a license issued by the given state he resides in. Normally, one has to be here legally. I think the exception might be if the Mexican had an International DL like I had and spent time in both places.

I still hold that in order to get a State Issued Drivers License one has to be legal, have verifiable insurance, registered car, licensed car. Just like I have to do. And the State must require the Insurance Companies to notify them if you are no longer insured or that you are insured. The insurance company must be an approved company by the state. No offshore hanky panky. If you do have your insurance lapse then you won't have a current insurance card and can't reregister your vehicle or renew your license.

If you get stopped without valid insurance, they can and will run a background check. Hell, I get stopped and they still run my license so that's a form of background check. If an illegal is stopped, they can run that back ground check, find out that he's an illegal and detain him for Immigrations. Simple as that.

Same goes for housing and employment. In order to live where I live, a background check has to be done. If one is an illegal, you will fail the check and be refused here. After the huge hullabalu from Walmart, even they run background checks on new hires so don't tell me it can't be done. That 24 bucks for the Background Check is money well spent by any employer or housing facility.

And any company that is caught not doing a proper background check or "Paying under Table" to illegals needs to be shut down. Not just fined, shut down and their managers that were in on it sent to jail.

If they don't have a job, can't send their kids to public schools, have a place to live, what use is there to have a Drivers License.

 

[BrokeLoser]

That sounds cool and all but then those pesky facts get in your way AGAIN...It looks like broke white trash are smoking weed and voting for free shit right along with you filthy degenerates...no?
Just say it bud...you love your beaners because they'll work for a slave wage without complaining or expecting any conditions...they'll offer after hour blow-jobs if you promise they can keep their gig as shitter polisher...we get it bud, you love your pet humans / 21st century slaves.

GUy, you are confused, are you for capitalism or aren't you? Or are you only for government intervening when it benefits you?

Again, if you have failed so badly at being a professional that your job is threatened by an undocumented immigrant with no money, no connections and a limited grasp on the English Language, then you really are a 'Broke Loser". but that's on you, not them.

I've told you many times before bud...My 'job' requires intelligence, people and communication skills, cash flow, articulation of the english language, the ability to problem solve...I can't smell like a cross between Modello, Tapatio and asshole....Wetbacks are not a threat to my profession....See, unlike you unAmerican pieces of shit, I see beyond my household, I look out for my fellow REAL Americans....you wouldn't understand as you post from your cardboard box in Tijuana.

 

[Rigby5]

No one says you get a second term and if you plan on living up to your word, you honor our word. Trump has not.

So what has Trump not honored that he was in total control of? A President or contender for President can only promise what they would like to do. But they can only do what's in their power. We have a complicated process for this. So for a President to keep his promise, he not only has to have the entire Congress behind him, but he must also have the cooperation of the courts, which as we have witnessed, Trump didn't have.

He never presented this great health care plan he had ready to go and that he said everyone was going to love.

It's entirely up to the president to decide to end the wars like he promised. While he can not get his budget passed on his own not a single one is balanced like he promised. Should I continue? No, you'll just be dishonest about it all.

Hussien promised that if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. He promised us families would save 2.5K a year on healthcare insurance. He promised us great coverage with his plan and no more garbage policies. So what did we end up with?

Trump said he was going to get rid of Commie Care, and then replace it with something else. As I stated, a President can only give you what he promised with the cooperation of the majorities in Congress. He didn't have that, and since any government program would rely on tax money, you can't have two programs doing the same thing.

What Warren and Sander's are promising is unrealistic. It's unaffordable and would leave us as slaves to the government. I really don't think anybody has a reasonable solution to our problem.

What you are saying that we should just pack it in, quit, turn out the lights, it's hopeless.

The solution is free markets.

Nonsense.
A free market always turns into monopolies, child labor, company towns, private security goons beating people up, economic slavery, etc.
Essentially a free market is feudalism, since that is always the most profitable.

What is needed instead is a fair market, which requires lots of regulation to prevent abuses.
And by definition that is socialism.
Socialism is always the only practical way to do anything.
There is no successful social system, like a family, tribe, religious order, or anything else that is not socialist naturally.

 

[Rigby5]

No one says you get a second term and if you plan on living up to your word, you honor our word. Trump has not.

So what has Trump not honored that he was in total control of? A President or contender for President can only promise what they would like to do. But they can only do what's in their power. We have a complicated process for this. So for a President to keep his promise, he not only has to have the entire Congress behind him, but he must also have the cooperation of the courts, which as we have witnessed, Trump didn't have.

He never presented this great health care plan he had ready to go and that he said everyone was going to love.

It's entirely up to the president to decide to end the wars like he promised. While he can not get his budget passed on his own not a single one is balanced like he promised. Should I continue? No, you'll just be dishonest about it all.

Hussien promised that if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. He promised us families would save 2.5K a year on healthcare insurance. He promised us great coverage with his plan and no more garbage policies. So what did we end up with?

Trump said he was going to get rid of Commie Care, and then replace it with something else. As I stated, a President can only give you what he promised with the cooperation of the majorities in Congress. He didn't have that, and since any government program would rely on tax money, you can't have two programs doing the same thing.

What Warren and Sander's are promising is unrealistic. It's unaffordable and would leave us as slaves to the government. I really don't think anybody has a reasonable solution to our problem.

I kept my doctor and insurance. So did over 98 percent of Americans

Trump stated before he was elected that he had a plan that was better and cheaper than Obamacare. Turned out he had nothing and ordered Congress to come up with something and they failed miserably

Who told the bigger lie?

You are retired. You didn’t go on the ACA. 98%? Link it.

The fact insurance companies changed their policies so that you could not keep your old doctor, is not the fault of ACA.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

In your estimate what doctors make, you didn't consider their largest cost--malpractice insurance. Malpractice insurance can rage from 8K a year to over 200K a year, depending on what kind of medicine they practice and what areas they are practicing in. Malpractice is needed because we are a lawsuit happy country. The solution to that problem is what Britain does, and that is have a loser pays all law. Sue anybody you like, but if you lose, you are liable for all the costs associated with the person or company you tried to sue. That would reduce phony lawsuits by the billions in this country, and certainly would help in the healthcare field.

Wow, you buy into all the right wing lies.

First, malpractice is only a SMALL slice of medical costs. In fact, total costs of malpractice expenses, including both insurance and "preventive medicine" (I.E. taking the extra step so you don't cut off the wrong fucking leg) is all of 55 Billion a year out of a 3 Trillion Health Care industry, or about 2.4%. Taking away people's right to seek redress against medical incompetence (96,000 Americans a year die from medical mistakes, you think they are all faking it?)

Britian also has universal health care.. I'm sure you don't want to go there.

The True Cost Of Medical Malpractice - It May Surprise You

There are just so many ways to reduce medial costs without sacrificing the great quality of medical care we currently have.

Again, quality for SOME people, not everyone, and that's the problem. I've got mine fuck you might work for your house or car, but it shouldn't work for our health care.

In Britain you have the option to buttress UH with a private plan and many there are very unhappy with the UH system. They are also much smaller than the US in terms of population and they don’t have the law that if you’re born there to illegals you automatically become a citizen. I am sure you don’t want to go there. And malpractice insurance is sky high and impacts many MDs. In Britain it costs a lot less to become a doctor as well. I am Sure you don’t want to discuss that either.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

So what has Trump not honored that he was in total control of? A President or contender for President can only promise what they would like to do. But they can only do what's in their power. We have a complicated process for this. So for a President to keep his promise, he not only has to have the entire Congress behind him, but he must also have the cooperation of the courts, which as we have witnessed, Trump didn't have.

He never presented this great health care plan he had ready to go and that he said everyone was going to love.

It's entirely up to the president to decide to end the wars like he promised. While he can not get his budget passed on his own not a single one is balanced like he promised. Should I continue? No, you'll just be dishonest about it all.

Hussien promised that if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. He promised us families would save 2.5K a year on healthcare insurance. He promised us great coverage with his plan and no more garbage policies. So what did we end up with?

Trump said he was going to get rid of Commie Care, and then replace it with something else. As I stated, a President can only give you what he promised with the cooperation of the majorities in Congress. He didn't have that, and since any government program would rely on tax money, you can't have two programs doing the same thing.

What Warren and Sander's are promising is unrealistic. It's unaffordable and would leave us as slaves to the government. I really don't think anybody has a reasonable solution to our problem.

What you are saying that we should just pack it in, quit, turn out the lights, it's hopeless.

The solution is free markets.

Nonsense.
A free market always turns into monopolies, child labor, company towns, private security goons beating people up, economic slavery, etc.
Essentially a free market is feudalism, since that is always the most profitable.

What is needed instead is a fair market, which requires lots of regulation to prevent abuses.
And by definition that is socialism.
Socialism is always the only practical way to do anything.
There is no successful social system, like a family, tribe, religious order, or anything else that is not socialist naturally.

Only fair market is a free market. You’re loon. Put me on ignore and don’t reply to my logical posts with your drivel

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

So what has Trump not honored that he was in total control of? A President or contender for President can only promise what they would like to do. But they can only do what's in their power. We have a complicated process for this. So for a President to keep his promise, he not only has to have the entire Congress behind him, but he must also have the cooperation of the courts, which as we have witnessed, Trump didn't have.

He never presented this great health care plan he had ready to go and that he said everyone was going to love.

It's entirely up to the president to decide to end the wars like he promised. While he can not get his budget passed on his own not a single one is balanced like he promised. Should I continue? No, you'll just be dishonest about it all.

Hussien promised that if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. He promised us families would save 2.5K a year on healthcare insurance. He promised us great coverage with his plan and no more garbage policies. So what did we end up with?

Trump said he was going to get rid of Commie Care, and then replace it with something else. As I stated, a President can only give you what he promised with the cooperation of the majorities in Congress. He didn't have that, and since any government program would rely on tax money, you can't have two programs doing the same thing.

What Warren and Sander's are promising is unrealistic. It's unaffordable and would leave us as slaves to the government. I really don't think anybody has a reasonable solution to our problem.

I kept my doctor and insurance. So did over 98 percent of Americans

Trump stated before he was elected that he had a plan that was better and cheaper than Obamacare. Turned out he had nothing and ordered Congress to come up with something and they failed miserably

Who told the bigger lie?

You are retired. You didn’t go on the ACA. 98%? Link it.

The fact insurance companies changed their policies so that you could not keep your old doctor, is not the fault of ACA.

What? Why are you responding to me? I never said I went on the ACA? You’re batshit crazy. Get lost.

 

[JoeB131]

I've told you many times before bud...My 'job' requires intelligence, people and communication skills, cash flow, articulation of the english language, the ability to problem solve...I can't smell like a cross between Modello, Tapatio and asshole....Wetbacks are not a threat to my profession....See, unlike you unAmerican pieces of shit, I see beyond my household, I look out for my fellow REAL Americans....you wouldn't understand as you post from your cardboard box in Tijuana.

Guy, nobody believes a bigot like you can remain gainfully employed.

 

[Rigby5]

Of course this is common sense legislation, but as we all know, Democrats lack that gift. They would rather see American business people locked up behind bars because their claim is those employers attract illegals to our country, but making them comfortable by issuing drivers licenses so they can get drunk and kill Americans is not luring them in.

Uh, Dummy. Nobody is coming here so they can drive. They are coming here for jobs.

It's estimated we have over 20 million illegals in this country. Do you think that all or most illegals have a job? People don't come here to drive, but it makes coming here much more attractive.

States issuing driver's licenses to undocumented is to our benefit, not theirs.
By reciprocity treaties, they can drive in the US under the license issued in Mexico, just like we can use a US license in Mexico.
The purpose of issuing a license to undocumented in the US is so that we can train and test them better.
And have an accurate address in case of any legal disputes.
A driver's license is not allowed to be used as an ID by any level of government, including federal.

States issuing driver's licenses has nothing to do with recognizing a valid driver's license issued by another country.

For a lot of years, I had an international drivers license that was accepted in MOST countries including the US and Mexico. I was overseas more than I was stateside. But once I came back to the US I had to get a State Issued Drivers license. It has to do with your legal residence. For instance, if you move from state to another, you have X number of days to get the states DL that you moved to. If you have someone from Mexico that is living in the US, that Mexican DL is good for X number of days and then he MUST get a license issued by the given state he resides in. Normally, one has to be here legally. I think the exception might be if the Mexican had an International DL like I had and spent time in both places.

I still hold that in order to get a State Issued Drivers License one has to be legal, have verifiable insurance, registered car, licensed car. Just like I have to do. And the State must require the Insurance Companies to notify them if you are no longer insured or that you are insured. The insurance company must be an approved company by the state. No offshore hanky panky. If you do have your insurance lapse then you won't have a current insurance card and can't reregister your vehicle or renew your license.

If you get stopped without valid insurance, they can and will run a background check. Hell, I get stopped and they still run my license so that's a form of background check. If an illegal is stopped, they can run that back ground check, find out that he's an illegal and detain him for Immigrations. Simple as that.

Same goes for housing and employment. In order to live where I live, a background check has to be done. If one is an illegal, you will fail the check and be refused here. After the huge hullabalu from Walmart, even they run background checks on new hires so don't tell me it can't be done. That 24 bucks for the Background Check is money well spent by any employer or housing facility.

And any company that is caught not doing a proper background check or "Paying under Table" to illegals needs to be shut down. Not just fined, shut down and their managers that were in on it sent to jail.

If they don't have a job, can't send their kids to public schools, have a place to live, what use is there to have a Drivers License.

Yes, technically states require you to become a resident and get a local license after x number of days.
Usually less than 6 months.
But if you read the actual wording, if you leave the state for a day within that time period, it resets.
So there really is no legal way they can insist anyone establish residency.
All you have to do to defeat their desire is to claim you left the state during that time period.
It was even easier for me because I just kept a residence in the other state.
Dual residency is legal.
If you notice when Bush was president, he used Texas or Maine as his residency, not DC where he actually lived.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

He never presented this great health care plan he had ready to go and that he said everyone was going to love.

It's entirely up to the president to decide to end the wars like he promised. While he can not get his budget passed on his own not a single one is balanced like he promised. Should I continue? No, you'll just be dishonest about it all.

Hussien promised that if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. He promised us families would save 2.5K a year on healthcare insurance. He promised us great coverage with his plan and no more garbage policies. So what did we end up with?

Trump said he was going to get rid of Commie Care, and then replace it with something else. As I stated, a President can only give you what he promised with the cooperation of the majorities in Congress. He didn't have that, and since any government program would rely on tax money, you can't have two programs doing the same thing.

What Warren and Sander's are promising is unrealistic. It's unaffordable and would leave us as slaves to the government. I really don't think anybody has a reasonable solution to our problem.

What you are saying that we should just pack it in, quit, turn out the lights, it's hopeless.

I don't think it is because we can always come up with something better. But it's so complex that would be a hell of a challenge.

We've been doing it wrong all along. The first step is to lower the cost of healthcare, and then decide how we pay for it. But the costs are what needs to be addressed first, and thus far, nobody has been able to do that, not a President, not a House member, not a Senate member.

Okay, let's take it one piece at a time.

Lower the cost of healthcare. This is complicated. You have

Facility
You can't change the Hospitals but you can add neighborhood clinics that are public supported. The Clinics would charge according to the income of the patient. Yes, the clinic is going to need money from public taxes. But it gets the ball rolling. We aren't far away from that now. Preventive Medicine is the best investment we can have.

Support Equipment
This going to have to a government intervention. Sorry, Capitalists, this is one area where Capitalism has gotten way too greedy. But the Government doesn't actually do it themselves. They appoint civilian over see er groups appointed by the local government to be the watch dog. For the Federal, I am sure that a group of Doctors would volunteer to oversee such a program. Then the Suppliers would have to justify their costs to the panels.

Staff Support
Here we get creative. Doctors already moonlight. But if we use the VA method and don't allow them to then a Doctor can't get bloody assed rich like they can today. For instance, the VA pays between 129K and 139K for their Doctors and doesn't allow moonlighting. But across town at the local hospital they still pay between 129K and 139K annually but they allow moonlighting. That same doctor ends up making more than 500K a year. So the VA has a shortage of Doctors while the Hospital has more than enough. This applies to any Doctor that wants an office or affiliation with any given hospital. This does not affect the independent Specialists. If you can't live on 139K a year you just can't live. That's much more than almost all Business Owners make.

This is just the start. But you will notice that it takes community involvement. Instead of the HMOs and Insurance Companies calling all the shots, the Community and the Doctors start calling the shots.

Now, about "You get to keep your Doctor". You didn't leave your Doctor, he left you. he decided not to accept funds from the ACA and to keep accepting funds from only the Insurance Companies, Drug Companies and the HMOs because he got nice little "Gifts" from them. Under the ACA, there were no nice little "Gifts". I suggest you work towards getting rid of the Corruption that is rampant in our Health Care today.

Medical is like anything else. The better you are, the more wages you are worth. There are good doctors and not so good doctors. There are good hospitals and not so good hospitals. The best doctors make the best money like in any line of work. That's why the VA doesn't have very good physicians.

In your estimate what doctors make, you didn't consider their largest cost--malpractice insurance. Malpractice insurance can rage from 8K a year to over 200K a year, depending on what kind of medicine they practice and what areas they are practicing in. Malpractice is needed because we are a lawsuit happy country. The solution to that problem is what Britain does, and that is have a loser pays all law. Sue anybody you like, but if you lose, you are liable for all the costs associated with the person or company you tried to sue. That would reduce phony lawsuits by the billions in this country, and certainly would help in the healthcare field.

Next is administration costs. If you read any articles from CEO"s of hospitals and insurance companies, you'd discover that administration fees are very costly. A person goes to the doctor for 80 or 100 bucks. That gets billed to your insurance, and they run back and forth with the provider to come to a settlement, and it costs them a small fortune which is paid for by the premiums we pay.

A mandatory medical savings account would reduce those costs for both provider and insurance company. A 1% deduction from your gross pay that goes into an MSA. When you see a doctor or visit an ER, you swipe your MSA card and the bill is paid.

There are just so many ways to reduce medial costs without sacrificing the great quality of medical care we currently have.

First one: The VA has just as good of Doctors. They stay not because they can't go to work for a civilian hospital, they primarily do it out of duty. Most are Vets themselves. The Cost isn't the factor they stay or their inability to find higher paying positions. Besides, a normal VA Doctor gets more time on the Golf Course so it ain't all bad.

The rest of what you are saying I agree with. Just be careful, you MSA has to be administered by someone whether it's a hospital or government. You certainly don't want a HMO or Insurance company administering it because that's what we have today. You MSA is the first step in getting RID of the HMO and the Insurance Company and they know it. There are going to invest billions to prevent that and they are going to win. They don't actually have to win. They just have to keep it the same mess it already is.

 

[JoeB131]

In Britain you have the option to buttress UH with a private plan and many there are very unhappy with the UH system. They are also much smaller than the US in terms of population and they don’t have the law that if you’re born there to illegals you automatically become a citizen. I am sure you don’t want to go there. And malpractice insurance is sky high and impacts many MDs. In Britain it costs a lot less to become a doctor as well. I am Sure you don’t want to discuss that either.

I'm all for making it cheaper to become a doctor. We should provide scholarships to promising medical students.

Only 11% of Britons have supplemental health insurance.

England : International Health Care System Profiles

British people are happier with their health care system than we are with ours.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

That sounds cool and all but then those pesky facts get in your way AGAIN...It looks like broke white trash are smoking weed and voting for free shit right along with you filthy degenerates...no?
Just say it bud...you love your beaners because they'll work for a slave wage without complaining or expecting any conditions...they'll offer after hour blow-jobs if you promise they can keep their gig as shitter polisher...we get it bud, you love your pet humans / 21st century slaves.

GUy, you are confused, are you for capitalism or aren't you? Or are you only for government intervening when it benefits you?

Again, if you have failed so badly at being a professional that your job is threatened by an undocumented immigrant with no money, no connections and a limited grasp on the English Language, then you really are a 'Broke Loser". but that's on you, not them.

I've told you many times before bud...My 'job' requires intelligence, people and communication skills, cash flow, articulation of the english language, the ability to problem solve...I can't smell like a cross between Modello, Tapatio and asshole....Wetbacks are not a threat to my profession....See, unlike you unAmerican pieces of shit, I see beyond my household, I look out for my fellow REAL Americans....you wouldn't understand as you post from your cardboard box in Tijuana.

You do know that you are setting the GOP back many many years, don't you. In fact, if you set it back any further, you will have to change the name of your party to Democrats and you won't have to change your ideals. It's ain't 1859 anymore.

 

[Rigby5]

That sounds cool and all but then those pesky facts get in your way AGAIN...It looks like broke white trash are smoking weed and voting for free shit right along with you filthy degenerates...no?
Just say it bud...you love your beaners because they'll work for a slave wage without complaining or expecting any conditions...they'll offer after hour blow-jobs if you promise they can keep their gig as shitter polisher...we get it bud, you love your pet humans / 21st century slaves.

GUy, you are confused, are you for capitalism or aren't you? Or are you only for government intervening when it benefits you?

Again, if you have failed so badly at being a professional that your job is threatened by an undocumented immigrant with no money, no connections and a limited grasp on the English Language, then you really are a 'Broke Loser". but that's on you, not them.

I've told you many times before bud...My 'job' requires intelligence, people and communication skills, cash flow, articulation of the english language, the ability to problem solve...I can't smell like a cross between Modello, Tapatio and asshole....Wetbacks are not a threat to my profession....See, unlike you unAmerican pieces of shit, I see beyond my household, I look out for my fellow REAL Americans....you wouldn't understand as you post from your cardboard box in Tijuana.

I have worked with people from everywhere, and never found there to be any significant difference in skill levels.
Immigrants can easily do your job as well as you, if they get the proper training.
And the US is based on immigration.
There is no one here who is not an immigrant of the descendant of an immigrant.
In fact, the most important advantage of the US is that it exposes people to more different cultures, so that we can pick and choose what we like, instead of having customs and rituals forced upon us by tradition.

 

[Rigby5]

He never presented this great health care plan he had ready to go and that he said everyone was going to love.

It's entirely up to the president to decide to end the wars like he promised. While he can not get his budget passed on his own not a single one is balanced like he promised. Should I continue? No, you'll just be dishonest about it all.

Hussien promised that if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. He promised us families would save 2.5K a year on healthcare insurance. He promised us great coverage with his plan and no more garbage policies. So what did we end up with?

Trump said he was going to get rid of Commie Care, and then replace it with something else. As I stated, a President can only give you what he promised with the cooperation of the majorities in Congress. He didn't have that, and since any government program would rely on tax money, you can't have two programs doing the same thing.

What Warren and Sander's are promising is unrealistic. It's unaffordable and would leave us as slaves to the government. I really don't think anybody has a reasonable solution to our problem.

I kept my doctor and insurance. So did over 98 percent of Americans

Trump stated before he was elected that he had a plan that was better and cheaper than Obamacare. Turned out he had nothing and ordered Congress to come up with something and they failed miserably

Who told the bigger lie?

You are retired. You didn’t go on the ACA. 98%? Link it.

The fact insurance companies changed their policies so that you could not keep your old doctor, is not the fault of ACA.

What? Why are you responding to me? I never said I went on the ACA? You’re batshit crazy. Get lost.

I never said YOU went on ACA.
What I said is that ACA never caused anyone to lose their old doctor.
That was insurance companies, who deliberately made people lose their old doctor by trying to make more money from us.
ACA had nothing to do with it.