Republican’s VS. Democrat’s Health Care Plan

[Oddball]

The article presents an international update on the comparative performance of the health care system in the U.S. It was cited that the country consistently underperforms on most dimensions of performance despite having the most costly health system. Compared with Australia, Canada, Germany, New Zealand, and Great Britain, the U.S. health care system ranks last or next-to-last on five dimensions of a high performance health system, including quality, access, efficiency, equity and health lives.

Ahh....Nations with socialized medical services, creating their own criteria, to get the result they wanted to get.

There's something you don't see every day!!

 

[Agnapostate]

Ahh....Nations with socialized medical services, creating their own criteria, to get the result they wanted to get.

There's something you don't see every day!!

Your hatred of empirical evidence has been well-documented. That said, are you at least able to pretend that you have specific objections to this study?

 

[Fraulein Hilda]

Ahh....Nations with socialized medical services, creating their own criteria, to get the result they wanted to get.

There's something you don't see every day!!

Your hatred of empirical evidence has been well-documented. That said, are you at least able to pretend that you have specific objections to this study?

Empirical evidence of what? Waiting lists for elective surgery and cutting old people off and telling them to accept their "hopeless diagnoses?"

 

[Agnapostate]

Empirical evidence of what? Waiting lists for elective surgery and cutting old people off and telling them to accept their "hopeless diagnoses?"

Do you have any specific objections to offer, or would you prefer to babble talking points from the Heritage Foundation?

 

[Oddball]

Your hatred of empirical evidence has been well-documented. That said, are you at least able to pretend that you have specific objections to this study?

Most of the "empirical evidence" you've posted around here has criteria that defies objective and specific quantification.....Just a bunch of do-gooder buzzwords like "access" and "equity", for instance.

But far be it from anyone to call into question the omniscient college boy, who has produced about zilch of value added to the legitimate economy, with his charts, graphs, and academic jargon.

 

[Fraulein Hilda]

Empirical evidence of what? Waiting lists for elective surgery and cutting old people off and telling them to accept their "hopeless diagnoses?"

Do you have any specific objections to offer, or would you prefer to babble talking points from the Heritage Foundation?

Yes, specifically I do not want the goddamned federal government in charge of my health care any more than they already are.

Shouldn't you be googing some more latin to impress us with or something?

 

[Oddball]

Shouldn't you be googing some more latin to impress us with or something?

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Fraulein Hilda again.

 

[Agnapostate]

Most of the "empirical evidence" you've posted around here has criteria that defies objective and specific quantification.....Just a bunch of do-gooder buzzwords like "access" and "equity", for instance.

But far be it from anyone to call into question the omniscient college boy, who has produced about zilch of value added to the legitimate economy, with his charts, graphs, and academic jargon.

Is that right?

I understand the source of this bleating; you lack the capacity to analyze empirical evidence. But really, why expose yourself so blatantly?

Yes, specifically I do not want the goddamned federal government in charge of my health care any more than they already are.

Shouldn't you be googing some more latin to impress us with or something?

Ah, another link in the daisy chain!

 

[Oddball]

Most of the "empirical evidence" you've posted around here has criteria that defies objective and specific quantification.....Just a bunch of do-gooder buzzwords like "access" and "equity", for instance.

But far be it from anyone to call into question the omniscient college boy, who has produced about zilch of value added to the legitimate economy, with his charts, graphs, and academic jargon.

Is that right?

I understand the source of this bleating; you lack the capacity to analyze empirical evidence. But really, why expose yourself so blatantly?

I lack nothing, junior.

Some of the areas in which I'm highly trained are in the fields of linguistics, semantics, NLP and hypnosis....I can smell bullshit artists from three states away.

And trust me, you're not but a apprentice bullshitter.

 

[Agnapostate]

I lack nothing, junior.

Some of the areas in which I'm highly trained are in the fields of linguistics, semantics, NLP and hypnosis....I can smell bullshit artists from three states away.

And trust me, you're not but a apprentice bullshitter.

No, I'll tell what you are, dear comrade.

What you are is an anti-empirical ranter who prefers preconceived, primitive ideological dogma to empirical analysis. You're a crude ideologue, not a serious thinker.

 

[Oddball]

Give it up, boy.

Try forming a line of debate that doesn't prominently feature apeals to authority.

Logical Fallacy: Appeal to Misleading Authority

 

[Agnapostate]

Give it up, boy.

Try forming a line of debate that doesn't prominently feature apeals to authority.

Logical Fallacy: Appeal to Misleading Authority

Ah...so not only do you care to commit numerous logical fallacies yourself; you choose to top it off with irony by inaccurately referring to my consultation of empirical evidence as an argumentum ad verecundiam.

Isn't that one of those evil Latin phrases?

 

[Seraega]

not hardly
what the dems want will be a fucking mess

You're certainly entitled to hold that opinion. I'm wondering, however, why you wouldn't consider a system which results in 50% of our bankrupticies coming from unanticipated health emergencies and where 78 million people don't have basic health insurance a "fucking mess" already?

many of those 78 Million(a number that is hard to substantiate in the first place) CHOOSE not to get it, mostly because they are young and healthy and think they will live forever

Bullshit. I'm one of those 78 million and I don't get it because it would cost me over $1000 a month. You find a 20 something that just has an extra $12k a year laying around when we're trying to pay off our student loans and buy our first home.

 

[Meister]

You're certainly entitled to hold that opinion. I'm wondering, however, why you wouldn't consider a system which results in 50% of our bankrupticies coming from unanticipated health emergencies and where 78 million people don't have basic health insurance a "fucking mess" already?

many of those 78 Million(a number that is hard to substantiate in the first place) CHOOSE not to get it, mostly because they are young and healthy and think they will live forever

Bullshit. I'm one of those 78 million and I don't get it because it would cost me over $1000 a month. You find a 20 something that just has an extra $12k a year laying around when we're trying to pay off our student loans and buy our first home.

Look for a job that has benefits....but I sure in the hell don't want to pay for your sorry ass to get insurance.
I do notice that you have prioritized what's important...and insurance just isn't that important to you. Try renting....I did until I could afford a home, and health insurance....see you do have choices

 

[Seraega]

many of those 78 Million(a number that is hard to substantiate in the first place) CHOOSE not to get it, mostly because they are young and healthy and think they will live forever

Bullshit. I'm one of those 78 million and I don't get it because it would cost me over $1000 a month. You find a 20 something that just has an extra $12k a year laying around when we're trying to pay off our student loans and buy our first home.

Look for a job that has benefits....but I sure in the hell don't want to pay for your sorry ass to get insurance.
I do notice that you have prioritized what's important...and insurance just isn't that important to you. Try renting....I did until I could afford a home, and health insurance....see you do have choices

Wow I never thought of looking for a job with benefits. If only someone was hiring..... Oh wait we're in the middle of the biggest recession since the great depression.

As far as priorities, yea lets see - stop paying my student loans so that I can pay for insurance. hmmm bankruptcy now (which doesn't elminate SL debt) or possible bankruptcy later (which WOULD eliminate medical debt.)

Yea... I'll continue doing what I'm doing, but thanks for the worthless advice.

 

[Meister]

Bullshit. I'm one of those 78 million and I don't get it because it would cost me over $1000 a month. You find a 20 something that just has an extra $12k a year laying around when we're trying to pay off our student loans and buy our first home.

Look for a job that has benefits....but I sure in the hell don't want to pay for your sorry ass to get insurance.
I do notice that you have prioritized what's important...and insurance just isn't that important to you. Try renting....I did until I could afford a home, and health insurance....see you do have choices

Wow I never thought of looking for a job with benefits. If only someone was hiring..... Oh wait we're in the middle of the biggest recession since the great depression.

As far as priorities, yea lets see - stop paying my student loans so that I can pay for insurance. hmmm bankruptcy now (which doesn't elminate SL debt) or possible bankruptcy later (which WOULD eliminate medical debt.)

Yea... I'll continue doing what I'm doing, but thanks for the worthless advice.

Well, no, not since the Great Depression, actually it was under Jimmie Carter. I was referring to not buying a house in the economic downturn, and getting some insurance for you and your family....to where I don't have to pay for it. You know...the way most Americans do it, if thay can't find a job with any benefits. I have a feeling there are 2 cars in the family. Probably at least 2-3 TV's, and XBox or something like that. A couple of cell phones, and probably an IPOD or two. I have a feeling I'm not far off on this.

 

[Fraulein Hilda]

People who want others to pay their healthcare will get their way.

But unemployment won't budge from 10%.

Does someone want to tell me how the country is better off for that?

 

[Seraega]

Look for a job that has benefits....but I sure in the hell don't want to pay for your sorry ass to get insurance.
I do notice that you have prioritized what's important...and insurance just isn't that important to you. Try renting....I did until I could afford a home, and health insurance....see you do have choices

Wow I never thought of looking for a job with benefits. If only someone was hiring..... Oh wait we're in the middle of the biggest recession since the great depression.

As far as priorities, yea lets see - stop paying my student loans so that I can pay for insurance. hmmm bankruptcy now (which doesn't elminate SL debt) or possible bankruptcy later (which WOULD eliminate medical debt.)

Yea... I'll continue doing what I'm doing, but thanks for the worthless advice.

Well, no, not since the Great Depression, actually it was under Jimmie Carter. I was referring to not buying a house in the economic downturn, and getting some insurance for you and your family....to where I don't have to pay for it. You know...the way most Americans do it, if thay can't find a job with any benefits. I have a feeling there are 2 cars in the family. Probably at least 2-3 TV's, and XBox or something like that. A couple of cell phones, and probably an IPOD or two. I have a feeling I'm not far off on this.

More great financial advice. I should pass up buying a house when there was a $7500 tax credit (now 8000) and <5% interest rates? Again, primary house is generally exempt from bankruptcy... where as any potential medical debt I could accrue in the future would be wiped out.

You're pretty far out there, don't kid yourself. I'm the kind of guy that does math before making a decision. You seem to be basing yours on emotion.

 

[Fraulein Hilda]

Why do people want to depend on the government for things?

 

[Meister]

Wow I never thought of looking for a job with benefits. If only someone was hiring..... Oh wait we're in the middle of the biggest recession since the great depression.

As far as priorities, yea lets see - stop paying my student loans so that I can pay for insurance. hmmm bankruptcy now (which doesn't elminate SL debt) or possible bankruptcy later (which WOULD eliminate medical debt.)

Yea... I'll continue doing what I'm doing, but thanks for the worthless advice.

Well, no, not since the Great Depression, actually it was under Jimmie Carter. I was referring to not buying a house in the economic downturn, and getting some insurance for you and your family....to where I don't have to pay for it. You know...the way most Americans do it, if thay can't find a job with any benefits. I have a feeling there are 2 cars in the family. Probably at least 2-3 TV's, and XBox or something like that. A couple of cell phones, and probably an IPOD or two. I have a feeling I'm not far off on this.

More great financial advice. I should pass up buying a house when there was a $7500 tax credit (now 8000) and <5% interest rates? Again, primary house is generally exempt from bankruptcy... where as any potential medical debt I could accrue in the future would be wiped out.

You're pretty far out there, don't kid yourself. I'm the kind of guy that does math before making a decision. You seem to be basing yours on emotion.

I can do a little math too, and I don't want to pay for your fucking health insurance. You figure out a way to do it yourself, just like I have. Fucking socialists!!