Republican Tax Cut Experiment Ends w/Largest Tax Increase In State’s History

[Derideo_Te]

Early Results Show Income Tax Cuts Making Kansas A More Prosperous State - Forbes
Early Results Show Income Tax Cuts Making Kansas A More Prosperous State


This week, Investor’s Business Daily (IBD) ran an editorial declaring that the tax cut Kansas Governor Sam Brownback and the state legislature passed in 2012 “is working.” Newly released data from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics show that Kansas and Utah are tied for first when it comes to state job growth estimates.

Here are the highlights from the report:

• For the first two months of the year, Kansas increased its non-farm jobs by 9,500 and the private sector added 9,000 jobs for March.
• In a state-to-state comparison, Kansas placed 2nd in private-sector jobs growth in February.
• Private-sector jobs from February 2014 to February 2015 grew by 21,200 — one of the most significant increases in the country.
• Kansas surpassed all neighboring states except Colorado in private job gains over the year.

• In private-sector hourly wages, Kansas beat all neighboring states except Nebraska.
• Private-sector hourly wage estimates for January were revised upward, showing that Kansas gained 3.4% rather than 3.2% in hourly pay.
• In month of February, Kansas hit a new record in hourly wage gains of 61 cents an hour.
• Kansans are making an average of $25.52 more each week, while only having to work an average of 12 minutes longer.”
• Compared to February last year, Kansas City, Kansas’s private sector average hourly wages were higher than in Kansas City, Missouri by 55 cents.
• Unrelated to February data, Kansas has one of the highest employment-to-population ratios in the U.S., at 65.2%.

So if those "estimates" are right then why was the legislature forced to raise taxes?

Were they?

Try reading the OP.

Try thinking.

The OP was about KS raising taxes.

 

[JoeMoma]

Largest tax increase in history? 471 million dollars? I suppose it could be the largest if all previous tax increases are not adjusted for inflation to today's dollars.

 

[percysunshine]

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KANSAS BUDGET Senate passes tax increase House approved goes to governor for signature - KSHB.com

Food taxes, farm taxes, and business taxes are unchanged. Other consumption taxes and 'sin' taxes go up.

Seems reasonable. It is a good thing States can't print money to balance their budgets. We all know where that would lead.

.

 

[Iceweasel]

You're an idiot if you really believe tax breaks don't spur business

Prove it!

Prove it? All the tax reductions, deductions and credits are for....?
Are you really this dense? I can't tell.

 

[occupied]

Early Results Show Income Tax Cuts Making Kansas A More Prosperous State - Forbes
Early Results Show Income Tax Cuts Making Kansas A More Prosperous State


This week, Investor’s Business Daily (IBD) ran an editorial declaring that the tax cut Kansas Governor Sam Brownback and the state legislature passed in 2012 “is working.” Newly released data from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics show that Kansas and Utah are tied for first when it comes to state job growth estimates.

Here are the highlights from the report:

• For the first two months of the year, Kansas increased its non-farm jobs by 9,500 and the private sector added 9,000 jobs for March.
• In a state-to-state comparison, Kansas placed 2nd in private-sector jobs growth in February.
• Private-sector jobs from February 2014 to February 2015 grew by 21,200 — one of the most significant increases in the country.
• Kansas surpassed all neighboring states except Colorado in private job gains over the year.

• In private-sector hourly wages, Kansas beat all neighboring states except Nebraska.
• Private-sector hourly wage estimates for January were revised upward, showing that Kansas gained 3.4% rather than 3.2% in hourly pay.
• In month of February, Kansas hit a new record in hourly wage gains of 61 cents an hour.
• Kansans are making an average of $25.52 more each week, while only having to work an average of 12 minutes longer.”
• Compared to February last year, Kansas City, Kansas’s private sector average hourly wages were higher than in Kansas City, Missouri by 55 cents.
• Unrelated to February data, Kansas has one of the highest employment-to-population ratios in the U.S., at 65.2%.

So if those "estimates" are right then why was the legislature forced to raise taxes?

Any improvement in employment cannot be shown to be a direct result of gutting the revenue structure of the state rather than just a result of the generally improving economy of the nation. The only results that can be directly tied to the tax cuts are underfunded state agencies, credit downgrades and budget deficits.

You're an idiot if you really believe tax breaks don't spur business. When state budgets are cut, state spending needs to be cut. Sounds like they had trouble weening some dependents off of the state nipple.

Yeah. who needs an education anyway? Seriously. Is it not even a possiblilty that they cut revenue too deeply to even support an education for their young citizens? Not to mention they screwed their credit rating so they cannot even have bond issues to help pay for infrastructure improvements. This shit is only going to get worse as time goes on. Next spring when they cannot even afford to patch the winter potholes maybe some of them will wise up.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Are you really this dense?

Ironic!

 

[Derideo_Te]

Early Results Show Income Tax Cuts Making Kansas A More Prosperous State - Forbes
Early Results Show Income Tax Cuts Making Kansas A More Prosperous State


This week, Investor’s Business Daily (IBD) ran an editorial declaring that the tax cut Kansas Governor Sam Brownback and the state legislature passed in 2012 “is working.” Newly released data from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics show that Kansas and Utah are tied for first when it comes to state job growth estimates.

Here are the highlights from the report:

• For the first two months of the year, Kansas increased its non-farm jobs by 9,500 and the private sector added 9,000 jobs for March.
• In a state-to-state comparison, Kansas placed 2nd in private-sector jobs growth in February.
• Private-sector jobs from February 2014 to February 2015 grew by 21,200 — one of the most significant increases in the country.
• Kansas surpassed all neighboring states except Colorado in private job gains over the year.

• In private-sector hourly wages, Kansas beat all neighboring states except Nebraska.
• Private-sector hourly wage estimates for January were revised upward, showing that Kansas gained 3.4% rather than 3.2% in hourly pay.
• In month of February, Kansas hit a new record in hourly wage gains of 61 cents an hour.
• Kansans are making an average of $25.52 more each week, while only having to work an average of 12 minutes longer.”
• Compared to February last year, Kansas City, Kansas’s private sector average hourly wages were higher than in Kansas City, Missouri by 55 cents.
• Unrelated to February data, Kansas has one of the highest employment-to-population ratios in the U.S., at 65.2%.

So if those "estimates" are right then why was the legislature forced to raise taxes?

Any improvement in employment cannot be shown to be a direct result of gutting the revenue structure of the state rather than just a result of the generally improving economy of the nation. The only results that can be directly tied to the tax cuts are underfunded state agencies, credit downgrades and budget deficits.

You're an idiot if you really believe tax breaks don't spur business. When state budgets are cut, state spending needs to be cut. Sounds like they had trouble weening some dependents off of the state nipple.

Yeah. who needs an education anyway? Seriously. Is it not even a possiblilty that they cut revenue too deeply to even support an education for their young citizens? Not to mention they screwed their credit rating so they cannot even have bond issues to help pay for infrastructure improvements. This shit is only going to get worse as time goes on. Next spring when they cannot even afford to patch the winter potholes maybe some of them will wise up.

At this rate Kansas will become a glaring example to the rest of the nation of what it means to adopt the failed Libertarian dogma of the Koch bros.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Early Results Show Income Tax Cuts Making Kansas A More Prosperous State - Forbes
Early Results Show Income Tax Cuts Making Kansas A More Prosperous State


This week, Investor’s Business Daily (IBD) ran an editorial declaring that the tax cut Kansas Governor Sam Brownback and the state legislature passed in 2012 “is working.” Newly released data from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics show that Kansas and Utah are tied for first when it comes to state job growth estimates.

Here are the highlights from the report:

• For the first two months of the year, Kansas increased its non-farm jobs by 9,500 and the private sector added 9,000 jobs for March.
• In a state-to-state comparison, Kansas placed 2nd in private-sector jobs growth in February.
• Private-sector jobs from February 2014 to February 2015 grew by 21,200 — one of the most significant increases in the country.
• Kansas surpassed all neighboring states except Colorado in private job gains over the year.

• In private-sector hourly wages, Kansas beat all neighboring states except Nebraska.
• Private-sector hourly wage estimates for January were revised upward, showing that Kansas gained 3.4% rather than 3.2% in hourly pay.
• In month of February, Kansas hit a new record in hourly wage gains of 61 cents an hour.
• Kansans are making an average of $25.52 more each week, while only having to work an average of 12 minutes longer.”
• Compared to February last year, Kansas City, Kansas’s private sector average hourly wages were higher than in Kansas City, Missouri by 55 cents.
• Unrelated to February data, Kansas has one of the highest employment-to-population ratios in the U.S., at 65.2%.

So if those "estimates" are right then why was the legislature forced to raise taxes?

Any improvement in employment cannot be shown to be a direct result of gutting the revenue structure of the state rather than just a result of the generally improving economy of the nation. The only results that can be directly tied to the tax cuts are underfunded state agencies, credit downgrades and budget deficits.

You're an idiot if you really believe tax breaks don't spur business. When state budgets are cut, state spending needs to be cut. Sounds like they had trouble weening some dependents off of the state nipple.

Yeah. who needs an education anyway? Seriously. Is it not even a possiblilty that they cut revenue too deeply to even support an education for their young citizens? Not to mention they screwed their credit rating so they cannot even have bond issues to help pay for infrastructure improvements. This shit is only going to get worse as time goes on. Next spring when they cannot even afford to patch the winter potholes maybe some of them will wise up.

At this rate Kansas will become a glaring example to the rest of the nation of what it means to adopt the failed Libertarian dogma of the Koch bros.

Yes because nothing says fail like being second in job creation.

 

[Derideo_Te]

So if those "estimates" are right then why was the legislature forced to raise taxes?

Any improvement in employment cannot be shown to be a direct result of gutting the revenue structure of the state rather than just a result of the generally improving economy of the nation. The only results that can be directly tied to the tax cuts are underfunded state agencies, credit downgrades and budget deficits.

You're an idiot if you really believe tax breaks don't spur business. When state budgets are cut, state spending needs to be cut. Sounds like they had trouble weening some dependents off of the state nipple.

Yeah. who needs an education anyway? Seriously. Is it not even a possiblilty that they cut revenue too deeply to even support an education for their young citizens? Not to mention they screwed their credit rating so they cannot even have bond issues to help pay for infrastructure improvements. This shit is only going to get worse as time goes on. Next spring when they cannot even afford to patch the winter potholes maybe some of them will wise up.

At this rate Kansas will become a glaring example to the rest of the nation of what it means to adopt the failed Libertarian dogma of the Koch bros.

Yes because nothing says fail like being second in job creation.

And yet when you dig into the figures in the links they don't support the claim.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Typical regressive tax structure of a GOP state. Can't be burdening those "job creators" now can we? Not that they are creating that many jobs in these places.

"In a state-to-state comparison, Kansas placed 2nd in private-sector jobs growth in February."

Except that nowhere in the referenced BLS link was that claim substantiated.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Any improvement in employment cannot be shown to be a direct result of gutting the revenue structure of the state rather than just a result of the generally improving economy of the nation. The only results that can be directly tied to the tax cuts are underfunded state agencies, credit downgrades and budget deficits.

You're an idiot if you really believe tax breaks don't spur business. When state budgets are cut, state spending needs to be cut. Sounds like they had trouble weening some dependents off of the state nipple.

Yeah. who needs an education anyway? Seriously. Is it not even a possiblilty that they cut revenue too deeply to even support an education for their young citizens? Not to mention they screwed their credit rating so they cannot even have bond issues to help pay for infrastructure improvements. This shit is only going to get worse as time goes on. Next spring when they cannot even afford to patch the winter potholes maybe some of them will wise up.

At this rate Kansas will become a glaring example to the rest of the nation of what it means to adopt the failed Libertarian dogma of the Koch bros.

Yes because nothing says fail like being second in job creation.

And yet when you dig into the figures in the links they don't support the claim.

List the figures you wish to dispute. With cited evidence of course.

 

[Nyvin]

You're an idiot if you really believe tax breaks don't spur business. When state budgets are cut, state spending needs to be cut. Sounds like they had trouble weening some dependents off of the state nipple.

Yeah. who needs an education anyway? Seriously. Is it not even a possiblilty that they cut revenue too deeply to even support an education for their young citizens? Not to mention they screwed their credit rating so they cannot even have bond issues to help pay for infrastructure improvements. This shit is only going to get worse as time goes on. Next spring when they cannot even afford to patch the winter potholes maybe some of them will wise up.

At this rate Kansas will become a glaring example to the rest of the nation of what it means to adopt the failed Libertarian dogma of the Koch bros.

Yes because nothing says fail like being second in job creation.

And yet when you dig into the figures in the links they don't support the claim.

List the figures you wish to dispute. With cited evidence of course.

This is the link the articles points to for a reference Regional and State Employment and Unemployment Summary

It only list Kansas once and that's to list it's unemployment rate at 4.3%. It doesn't go over job growth for Kansas at all.

 

[Derideo_Te]

You're an idiot if you really believe tax breaks don't spur business. When state budgets are cut, state spending needs to be cut. Sounds like they had trouble weening some dependents off of the state nipple.

Yeah. who needs an education anyway? Seriously. Is it not even a possiblilty that they cut revenue too deeply to even support an education for their young citizens? Not to mention they screwed their credit rating so they cannot even have bond issues to help pay for infrastructure improvements. This shit is only going to get worse as time goes on. Next spring when they cannot even afford to patch the winter potholes maybe some of them will wise up.

At this rate Kansas will become a glaring example to the rest of the nation of what it means to adopt the failed Libertarian dogma of the Koch bros.

Yes because nothing says fail like being second in job creation.

And yet when you dig into the figures in the links they don't support the claim.

List the figures you wish to dispute. With cited evidence of course.

Sure!

From Iceweasel's post above.

Early Results Show Income Tax Cuts Making Kansas A More Prosperous State - Forbes

From the link in the Forbes article to the BLS figures;

Regional and State Employment and Unemployment Summary

I don't see the data that Forbes is claiming in the BLS link.

Can you find it in there?

 

[Vandalshandle]

81% of Iceweasel's posts include inaccurate statistics.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Yeah. who needs an education anyway? Seriously. Is it not even a possiblilty that they cut revenue too deeply to even support an education for their young citizens? Not to mention they screwed their credit rating so they cannot even have bond issues to help pay for infrastructure improvements. This shit is only going to get worse as time goes on. Next spring when they cannot even afford to patch the winter potholes maybe some of them will wise up.

At this rate Kansas will become a glaring example to the rest of the nation of what it means to adopt the failed Libertarian dogma of the Koch bros.

Yes because nothing says fail like being second in job creation.

And yet when you dig into the figures in the links they don't support the claim.

List the figures you wish to dispute. With cited evidence of course.

Sure!

From Iceweasel's post above.

Early Results Show Income Tax Cuts Making Kansas A More Prosperous State - Forbes

From the link in the Forbes article to the BLS figures;

Regional and State Employment and Unemployment Summary

I don't see the data that Forbes is claiming in the BLS link.

Can you find it in there?

It's in table 5.

 

[Skylar]

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Republican Tax Cut Experiment Ends w/Largest Tax Increase In State’s History. The Republican led state kept the tax cuts they gave away to the high incomers and passed the revenue shortfall on to the most vulnerable - IOW's Kansas' middle class and poor just lost a big chunk of what's left of their discretionary spending.

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/06/08/republican-controlled-kansas-senate-passes-largest-tax-increase-states-history.html

Republican Controlled Kansas Senate Passes Largest Tax Increase In State’s History

Keith Brekhus
Monday, June, 8th, 2015

On Sunday evening, the Republican-controlled Kansas Senate passed a 471 million dollar tax increase. If the measure passes the Kansas House on Monday and is then signed into law by Governor Sam Brownback, it will become the largest tax increase in Kansas’ history.

Senate support for the tax increase is a clear sign that the Brownback tax cuts that were supposed to stimulate the economy, have failed so miserably, that even Tea Party Republicans have resigned themselves to supporting a massive tax increase. However, the Senate did not opt to restore higher income tax rates for the wealthy, but instead they decided to fill the state’s gaping budget hole by raising regressive taxes which pass the burden onto the poor.

The Senate bill, which passed on a close 21-17 vote, would raise the state sales tax from 6.15 percent to 6.55 percent. The cigarette tax would jump from .79 cents a pack to a 1.29 a pack. The measure would also lower deductions for property taxes, charitable contributions and home mortgage interest.

The bill protects the zero income tax rate for many owners of limited-liability companies, corporate farms and large corporations. However, it eliminates sales tax rebates on food for poor families, the elderly and people with disabilities.

So while Senate Republicans have finally come to grips with the failure of the Brownback tax cuts, their solution is not to make billionaires like Charles Koch, who still claims residency in Wichita, pay a higher tax rate. Instead they have decided to tackle the state’s budget crisis by raising the price of food for the poor, disabled and elderly.

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If the Senate bill becomes law, low and middle-income Republican voters in Kansas will become the proud owners of an “anti-tax Governor and anti-tax legislature” that passed the largest tax increase in the state’s history. To add insult to injury, they will also have the dubious honor of paying for that tax increase so that the state’s aristocracy can keep their precious tax cuts. If not for the fact that some of those people will endure real suffering, the whole charade would be almost comical.
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This is by design. Many folks think that Kansas fucked up with the results its seeing an accident. But this actually the designed outcome.

What republicans want is a smaller government, a system of taxation that shifts much more of the burden to the poor and middle class, and a virtual elimination of all taxes on the sources of income for the very wealthy. Meaning no tax on corporations. And no tax on capital gains.

So how do you do that? You create a crisis. You intentionally tank revenues with tax cuts that overwhelmingly favor the weathy. You insist that program cuts are the only solution for the predicrable budget short falls. And then when you do shore up the tax revenue, you shift more of it to the middle class and poor.

Brainwash. Rinse. Repeat.

Just keep nudging the tax base more toward the middle class and poor while cutting the services they use. And cutting taxes for the wealthy.

 

[Vandalshandle]

I'm not too worried about the fact that Kansas is cutting their education budget, again. You can learn all you really need to know about hog farming from 4H.

 

[Star]

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KANSAS BUDGET Senate passes tax increase House approved goes to governor for signature - KSHB.com

Food taxes, farm taxes, and business taxes are unchanged. Other consumption taxes and 'sin' taxes go up.

Seems reasonable. It is a good thing States can't print money to balance their budgets. We all know where that would lead.

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Not exactly! The sales tax on food in Kansas will rise .04% while simultaneously eliminating the sales tax rebate on food. IOW's , Kansas will make up a portion of their shortfall on the backs of people that eat food then-----then after they get their financial house in order i.e. one year from July 1, they will lower the sales tax on food, but NOT restore the sales tax rebate on food.
Home to Koch Industries is in Kansas, much of Koch Industries is pass-thru - LLC. LLC's are not affected by the biggest tax increase in Kansas state history - IOWs, Kansas' Republicans are screwing Kansas' most vulnerable to pleasure the people that won't miss a meal or mortgage payment due to a tax increase that would solve Kansas' revenue shortfall pain free for all but a few.

Excerpt from OP article: The bill protects the zero income tax rate for many owners of limited-liability companies, corporate farms and large corporations. However, it eliminates sales tax rebates on food for poor families, the elderly and people with disabilities.

The general sales tax would rise from 6.15 percent to 6.55 percent on July 1. A year later, the tax on food would drop to 4.95 percent.

“It’s the lowest rate (on food) we’ve looked at all session,” Donovan said.

The food sales tax rebate for poor families, the elderly and people with disabilities would be eliminated.
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[Skylar]

I'm not too worried about the fact that Kansas is cutting their education budget, again. You can learn all you really need to know about hog farming from 4H.

But how are the Kansas kids gonna hear about Adam riding on a dinosaur if they don't get an education in Kansas public schools?

That kind of batshit doesn't teach itself.

 

[Vandalshandle]

I'm not too worried about the fact that Kansas is cutting their education budget, again. You can learn all you really need to know about hog farming from 4H.

But how are the Kansas kids gonna hear about Adam riding on a dinosaur if they don't get an education in Kansas public schools?

That kind of batshit doesn't teach itself.

Well, they have Westboro Baptist church for backup education when the schools close.