Republicans are ignorant about the most basic FACTS about welfare in this country

Poverty in in most instances in America=:
1. Children born out of wedlock to young females with no one else in the home.
2. Approaching 80% with African American women.
3. Unwillingness of a citizen to learn a skill that is marketable in the market place
4. Entitlement mentality
5. Why work when I can get social security disability?
6. High school drop outs
7. Culture of non respect for anyone that gets an education
8. War on Drugs effect on inner city youth
9. Lack of respect for women in rap culture
10. Availability of prescription pills

Ignore that and call me a racist and continue to see this grow.

Poverty happens for lots of reasons. Why does the US seem to have far more problems with inner city areas than most other first world countries?

When you say "most other", that really is ambiguous. There are numerous 1st world countries that have big inner city problems. And many of those that don't, don't because they force out the lower-income or unskilled labor.

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This is a shanty town, called a bidonville in France. There are hundreds of such shanty towns throughout France, sitting on the outskirts of the cities.

If I could find the BBC link, I'd post pictures of people living in abandoned buildings, taking showers only when enough rain water filled a disabled fountain in the road way.

The reason that the problems 'seem' larger here in the US, is because the leftists, and socialists, want them to be large, in order to justify a move to the left. Most of Europe is no where near a socialist system, but the fact is, many are dominated by the socialist parties. France and Spain are typically dominated politically by socialists.

Now if you are a socialist, and you put in place some policies, you want to minimize problems, to support the idea your socialist policies are working. In America, they try and maximize those problems, to justify the need for socialism.

But if you really boil it down, the poor and impoverished of those countries are not doing any better than the poor and impoverished of our own.... and often, our poor have a higher standard of living than theirs.

It would seem that education is a big problem in the US. I'd say in other countries, like the UK it is getting close to a similar problem.

What do kids study in school? Skills they will be able to take out into the real world and make a living from or academic stuff that if they are smart enough and focused enough and lucky enough they might be able to do something with?

Our capitalist based higher education is leading the world right now. People come form all over the world to get higher education at our schools.

Our socialist based primary education, is terrible. We spend more money than any other country in the world, and our kids do worse than most of the rest of the 1st world.

As for skills, and what education students choose, I would suggest there are two reasons for this. First, we tell our kids they deserve X. When someone believes they 'deserve' something, they have no motivation to work for it. Why should I do the really hard work of an engineering degree, if "I deserve a livable wage", when I haven't done jack shit?

The second reason is that we have promoted student loans. A student loan, does not convey the cost and sacrifice required to get an education. If you had to work your butt off, to earn the money to get a degree, you'd make sure that degree had a pay off.

As it is, we have students making the brilliant choice to get a degree in Social Work, for $90,000, to get a job that pays $30K, to $35K tops.

No one would do that, if they were paying the bill. But since government is picking up the tab, and you don't have to work at all, you don't get the sense, and realization that you are paying $90K for a $30K job.

I don't really see either side doing much to sort the problem out, politics gets in the way, and politics isn't even politics, it's take a side and slag off the other side and pretend somehow you're winning the argument with a load of insults and spending a load of money to win elections, and where does the money come from? Oh, business, who want something back in return.

I agree with the first, and disagree with the last.

You are right, politics doesn't solve problems. Politics creates problems. If you just think about the fundamentals of politics, you should be able to grasp that in politicians want you to demand their services. The best way to get people to need government, is by created a problem. If you can figure out how to create a problem, that the public needs *YOU* to fix, then you have a election winning plan.

Just look at the average welfare / food stamp / gov-assistance user, 2/3rds of those who have used any government assistance, vote democrat. Wonder why? You think Democrats don't know this? It's not surprising to me that they want to increase more government giveaways.

That said, I don't see this ubiquitous claim that business demands favors from government. Where does that happen?

Let's say that I support lower taxes (which I do), and I support lower corporate taxes (which I do), and I support less regulation and more free-market (which I do). If I run for office, there are going to be a ton of business people that give me money, because I support policies that they also support.

Did they give me money because they expected a favor in return, or because they wanted to support me, because I believe in something they believe in?

See, when I look around, I don't see specific companies 'buying' stuff from government all that often. More often, it's government demanding protection money. Al Gore was not *BEING CALLED* in the Vice President's office.... Al Gore was *CALLING THEM* to demand they give him 'donations' or else.

See the difference? This is why many of the largest corporations give money to both parties, and both candidates. They are not looking for a favor. They just want to be left alone. Which I support that too. *I* want to be left alone. If I could pay both parties and both candidates a donation, to get their money grubbing hands out of my pocket book, I'd do it for sure.

The US is breaking and unless people snap out of their mentality that "it's the other side's fault" and being controlled massively by people with a lot of self interest, then it will break.

The problem with that is, if we don't figure out what bad policies have led us to where we are, we'll end up doing them again. If we don't figure out that driving up the minimum wage, is what killed thousands of jobs in 2009, then we'll bump the minimum wage up to $10 or $15 now, and then mindlessly bicker about why even more people are unemployed all over again.

You have to learn from the mistakes of the past, or you'll just end up repeating them.

The govt isn't for the people or even by the people. Without that control the US is losing its roots and dying.

You know I used to think like that too. But I just finished reading John Adams, about the founding of this country, and honestly, it doesn't seem like much has changed at all. They were appointed friends and relatives in government positions, passing laws to benefit specific groups, in fighting, and bickering, and blaming each other for every problem.

It really hasn't changed that much since then. I think we still even to this day have the best possible system of governing, but I think what has changed is a fundamental view of right and wrong. We have taught for decades, that there is no absolute truth, and that right and wrong is relative.

Well..... if you don't believe in absolutes, and right and wrong is relative.... why do you expect those people with that world view to act like there is right and wrong, and absolute truth, when they get in government? "it depends on how you define 'is'"
 
I would love to hear how that is Obama's fault.

I'm glad you asked. Obama (like all marxists/socialists) has demonized success. He has convinced the parasite class that wealth and success are "evil". That scares wealthy/successful people away from America and scares them away from investing in America.

Then he raised taxes on the upper class and the middle class. Since people have less money because Obama is taking it from them, they have less to spend on goods & services (which means less demand which means less jobs). They have less to invest in their own businesses (which means less jobs). They have more expense which means cutting jobs and/or shipping jobs overseas.



First of all, I don't care if the "stimulus packages" brought unemployment down to 0% - unconstitutionally stealing my money and tossing it around to his pals and his special interest groups is unacceptable. He burried my children, my grandchildren, and my great-grandchildren with $7 trillion in debt which can never be paid off - all because he's a power hungry asshole.

Second, and much more important, he didn't "create" 2.5 million jobs he cost America over 10 million jobs. You people are so susceptible to left-wing propaganda that it's hilarious (and tragic). Unemployment is higher under Obama than it was under Bush. How is that possible if Obama "created" so many jobs?!? Because he has cost this nation 12 million jobs, then about 2.5 million were created (and certainly not because of Obama), giving Obama a net loss of about 10 million jobs and hence an entire presidency of between 8% - 10% unemployment.



  • He has pissed all over the Constitution (I don't love that)
  • He has raised taxes (I don't love that)
  • He has created roughly 40 new taxes - 18 in Obamacare alone (I don't love that)
  • He has insulted our allies (I don't love that)
  • He has bowed to all of our enemies every whim (I don't love that)
  • He is responsible for the highest unemployment in my life time (I don't love that)
  • He destroyed the free market when he bailed out GM, Chrysler, and Wall Street (I don't love that)
  • He has added over $7 trillion to our national debt (I don't love that)
  • He destroyed the free market and replaced it with government-controlled "regulation" (I don't love that)
  • He has over seen the most corrupt administration in U.S. history - Fast & Furious, Benghazi, IRS targeting conservatives, spying on reporters, Solyndra, the Black Panthers (I don't love that)



Yeah - because corporations have taken all of their jobs overseas to nations who don't punish job creators. You know what else is at an all time high under Obama? Unemployment. Longest period of above 8% unemployment in U.S. history (sans the Great Depression).

Tell me, how is it that Obama is more at fault for part time jobs than businesses are? They are the job creators. What are they waiting for? Where are the jobs?

The jobs are overseas because that's where the Dumbocrats have forced them. And Obama is at fault for that because he has made it too expensive to conduct business in the U.S.

Anything else you would like to know?

I love how through this mindless rambling of yours you don't put any blame on republicans.

We lost 2.3 million private jobs in Bush's final months. We lost millions more til the stimulus took effect. That is why the unemployment rate got so high in the first place ass hat. It was Bush that fucked this country over.

There has been steady economic growth since the stimulus came into effect.

Much of the 7 trillion that has accumulated under obama was because tax cuts. In terms of policy, defense was his biggest expense. Most of the other debt that accumulated under Obama is not his doing.

Do you realize how retarded you sound when you blame democrats for jobs going overseas? Where is the evidence of that you idiot? What possible connection is there for that? Just because something sounds like it could be true in that tiny brain of yours, it doesn't mean it actually is true. Quit taking responsibility from big business. Corporate profits have been at an all time high.

All of those fake scandals of yours are a product of republicans and Fox News. Even if they were true, Obama had little to do with them.

Do you even know what his tax hikes exactly were? No because you're an idiot.


You are so stupid. How about you explain how exactly Obama is responsible for the loss of 10 million jobs? I'm so sick of you teabaggers just making shit up to fit am agenda.

Oh and guess what? Both Clinton and Bush used executive order twice as much as Obama.
WHY has Obama tripled down on what YOU perceive Bush to have done? WHY haven't things gotten better? There has to be a TIME when your blame game has to cease. WE are in year SIX of Obama...WHEN is he ever going to man up and admit his failures? WHEN are YOU ever going to man up and admit YOU have hitched YOUR wagon to failure?
 
I'm glad you asked. Obama (like all marxists/socialists) has demonized success. He has convinced the parasite class that wealth and success are "evil". That scares wealthy/successful people away from America and scares them away from investing in America.

Then he raised taxes on the upper class and the middle class. Since people have less money because Obama is taking it from them, they have less to spend on goods & services (which means less demand which means less jobs). They have less to invest in their own businesses (which means less jobs). They have more expense which means cutting jobs and/or shipping jobs overseas.



First of all, I don't care if the "stimulus packages" brought unemployment down to 0% - unconstitutionally stealing my money and tossing it around to his pals and his special interest groups is unacceptable. He burried my children, my grandchildren, and my great-grandchildren with $7 trillion in debt which can never be paid off - all because he's a power hungry asshole.

Second, and much more important, he didn't "create" 2.5 million jobs he cost America over 10 million jobs. You people are so susceptible to left-wing propaganda that it's hilarious (and tragic). Unemployment is higher under Obama than it was under Bush. How is that possible if Obama "created" so many jobs?!? Because he has cost this nation 12 million jobs, then about 2.5 million were created (and certainly not because of Obama), giving Obama a net loss of about 10 million jobs and hence an entire presidency of between 8% - 10% unemployment.



  • He has pissed all over the Constitution (I don't love that)
  • He has raised taxes (I don't love that)
  • He has created roughly 40 new taxes - 18 in Obamacare alone (I don't love that)
  • He has insulted our allies (I don't love that)
  • He has bowed to all of our enemies every whim (I don't love that)
  • He is responsible for the highest unemployment in my life time (I don't love that)
  • He destroyed the free market when he bailed out GM, Chrysler, and Wall Street (I don't love that)
  • He has added over $7 trillion to our national debt (I don't love that)
  • He destroyed the free market and replaced it with government-controlled "regulation" (I don't love that)
  • He has over seen the most corrupt administration in U.S. history - Fast & Furious, Benghazi, IRS targeting conservatives, spying on reporters, Solyndra, the Black Panthers (I don't love that)



Yeah - because corporations have taken all of their jobs overseas to nations who don't punish job creators. You know what else is at an all time high under Obama? Unemployment. Longest period of above 8% unemployment in U.S. history (sans the Great Depression).



The jobs are overseas because that's where the Dumbocrats have forced them. And Obama is at fault for that because he has made it too expensive to conduct business in the U.S.

Anything else you would like to know?

I love how through this mindless rambling of yours you don't put any blame on republicans.

We lost 2.3 million private jobs in Bush's final months. We lost millions more til the stimulus took effect. That is why the unemployment rate got so high in the first place ass hat. It was Bush that fucked this country over.

There has been steady economic growth since the stimulus came into effect.

Much of the 7 trillion that has accumulated under obama was because tax cuts. In terms of policy, defense was his biggest expense. Most of the other debt that accumulated under Obama is not his doing.

Do you realize how retarded you sound when you blame democrats for jobs going overseas? Where is the evidence of that you idiot? What possible connection is there for that? Just because something sounds like it could be true in that tiny brain of yours, it doesn't mean it actually is true. Quit taking responsibility from big business. Corporate profits have been at an all time high.

All of those fake scandals of yours are a product of republicans and Fox News. Even if they were true, Obama had little to do with them.

Do you even know what his tax hikes exactly were? No because you're an idiot.


You are so stupid. How about you explain how exactly Obama is responsible for the loss of 10 million jobs? I'm so sick of you teabaggers just making shit up to fit am agenda.

Oh and guess what? Both Clinton and Bush used executive order twice as much as Obama.
WHY has Obama tripled down on what YOU perceive Bush to have done? WHY haven't things gotten better? There has to be a TIME when your blame game has to cease. WE are in year SIX of Obama...WHEN is he ever going to man up and admit his failures? WHEN are YOU ever going to man up and admit YOU have hitched YOUR wagon to failure?

And yet none of you fault republicans for anything. I never said Obama didn't make poor decisions during his presidency. He definitely has. I'll agree the recovery has been slow, but Obama is the reason we are even in a recovery. Up until the stimulus came into effect, we were losing 500,000 jobs a month. Now we are seeing growth.

You people are so idiotic to put all the blame of our economic problems on Obama. It doesn't make any fucking sense. The stock market is doing great and corporate profits are at an all time high. You blame all of our country's weaknesses on Obama yet won't give him any credit for ANYTHING positive.

Hacks.
 
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I love how through this mindless rambling of yours you don't put any blame on republicans.

We lost 2.3 million private jobs in Bush's final months. We lost millions more til the stimulus took effect. That is why the unemployment rate got so high in the first place ass hat. It was Bush that fucked this country over.

There has been steady economic growth since the stimulus came into effect.

Much of the 7 trillion that has accumulated under obama was because tax cuts. In terms of policy, defense was his biggest expense. Most of the other debt that accumulated under Obama is not his doing.

Do you realize how retarded you sound when you blame democrats for jobs going overseas? Where is the evidence of that you idiot? What possible connection is there for that? Just because something sounds like it could be true in that tiny brain of yours, it doesn't mean it actually is true. Quit taking responsibility from big business. Corporate profits have been at an all time high.

All of those fake scandals of yours are a product of republicans and Fox News. Even if they were true, Obama had little to do with them.

Do you even know what his tax hikes exactly were? No because you're an idiot.


You are so stupid. How about you explain how exactly Obama is responsible for the loss of 10 million jobs? I'm so sick of you teabaggers just making shit up to fit am agenda.

Oh and guess what? Both Clinton and Bush used executive order twice as much as Obama.
WHY has Obama tripled down on what YOU perceive Bush to have done? WHY haven't things gotten better? There has to be a TIME when your blame game has to cease. WE are in year SIX of Obama...WHEN is he ever going to man up and admit his failures? WHEN are YOU ever going to man up and admit YOU have hitched YOUR wagon to failure?

And yet none of you fault republicans for anything. I never said Obama didn't make poor decisions during his presidency. He definitely has.

So basically all you have going for your side of the argument is being a full of shit liar.
 
WHY has Obama tripled down on what YOU perceive Bush to have done? WHY haven't things gotten better? There has to be a TIME when your blame game has to cease. WE are in year SIX of Obama...WHEN is he ever going to man up and admit his failures? WHEN are YOU ever going to man up and admit YOU have hitched YOUR wagon to failure?

And yet none of you fault republicans for anything. I never said Obama didn't make poor decisions during his presidency. He definitely has.

So basically all you have going for your side of the argument is being a full of shit liar.

Okay farmer Brown. What have I lied about? Prove me wrong or shut up.
 
WHY has Obama tripled down on what YOU perceive Bush to have done? WHY haven't things gotten better? There has to be a TIME when your blame game has to cease. WE are in year SIX of Obama...WHEN is he ever going to man up and admit his failures? WHEN are YOU ever going to man up and admit YOU have hitched YOUR wagon to failure?

And yet none of you fault republicans for anything. I never said Obama didn't make poor decisions during his presidency. He definitely has.

So basically all you have going for your side of the argument is being a full of shit liar.
That would be it.
 
And yet none of you fault republicans for anything. I never said Obama didn't make poor decisions during his presidency. He definitely has.

So basically all you have going for your side of the argument is being a full of shit liar.

Okay farmer Brown. What have I lied about? Prove me wrong or shut up.
Too many people already have. Does this mean YOU advocate further beat-down?
 
Okay farmer Brown. What have I lied about? Prove me wrong or shut up.
Too many people already have. Does this mean YOU advocate further beat-down?

They haven't and you know they haven't. You personally haven't done shit.
Done more than you will in your entire life shitstain. People like you whine, moan and complain on some fucking message board (spend ALL frickin' day on it), and do ZERO to improve your situation. Until YOU do improve YOUR situation? I don't want to hear another fucking WORD from you. Got it? Welcome to the IGNORE list. YOU may PM me when you have lifted a finger to improve your lot and have proof...until then? DISMISSED. Good luck, but I highly DOUBT that you will.:eusa_hand:
 
And yet none of you fault republicans for anything. I never said Obama didn't make poor decisions during his presidency. He definitely has.

So basically all you have going for your side of the argument is being a full of shit liar.

Okay farmer Brown. What have I lied about? Prove me wrong or shut up.

If someone is not smart enough to know that they are hypocritical and not being honest, after being told over and over, then it becomes a waste of time.

There is a liberal on this board that stated she never lied, when confront with the lie in black and white, she still maintained she always told the truth.

At times, it's better to cut the losses.
 
I'm so sick of the ignorant left-wing "we" bullshit. What "we" means is that you are too fuck'n lazy to do it and you want to force me to do it for you.

If you want to "make the lives of the least among us better" then you do it. Stop being so fuck'n lazy.

You mean, social beings thinking in a social way is "bullshit"?

No - I mean you and you're left-wing pals thinking you are entitled to think for me what I should and should not think. I'll decide for myself, thank you very much. There is no "we".

That's bizarre.

It is bizarre that you guys are smug and arrogant enough to think you're entitled to decide for other people what they should do with their life.

Do you really not care about other people?

Sadly, conservatives are the only one's that do care. That's why you guys demand that government take care of people - so you don't have to - while we actually do it ourselves.

I'm not even talking welfare here. I like the idea of a safety net for those who need it, but not for those who don't.

Then you provide the "safety net" for them. So why don't you? Hypocrite?

Furthermore, you can take out unemployment insurance with a private company - you don't need unconstitutional federal government for "safety nets".

However education is massively important and in the US it sucks, especially for the poorer kids who grow up with an unfair advantage, no matter how good they are.

Education sucks in this country because it is laregely run by liberals and they pretty much turn everything they touch into a shit-hole.

But this isn't a debate going on much in the US. You're more concerned with the issues that big business make to divert your attention away from the real issues. That's the most worrying.

My attention isn't diverted. The fact that you believe something that immature and laughable proves that your attention has been diverted by the Dumbocrat propaganda which they used to brainwash you.
 
Do you realize how retarded you sound when you blame democrats for jobs going overseas? Where is the evidence of that you idiot? What possible connection is there for that? Just because something sounds like it could be true in that tiny brain of yours, it doesn't mean it actually is true. Quit taking responsibility from big business.

Wow! When faced with facts they can't dispute, someone's panties really get in a bunch!

Where is my evidence? It's called reality junior. As Dumbocrats have increased taxes, increased regulations, and increased salaries thanks to union extortion and/or minimum wage increases, corporations have taken more and more jobs overseas to nations that don't try to punish them for creating jobs.

Rather than going off the deep end because the facts are shaking your failed ideology to it's core, can you answer one question for me honestly?

Would any business endure the cost of severance packages for existing employees, legal costs for understanding foreign laws, costs for building new facilities in foreign lands, costs for recruiting, hiring, and training new employees, and a whole lot more if they could make the same money or more here in the U.S.? Honestly?

Corporate profits have been at an all time high.

I've explained this already - yes - because they've moved the jobs overseas where they can afford to do business and make a profit. How many times do you need this explained to you?
 
Poverty these days wears a diaper.
Failure to admit that with your head in the sand is part of the problem.
Government incentives ARE the problem.
You can put a HAPPY FACE on it all you want.
But the facts are that a child these days that is born to an unwed young mother HAS A 7 TO 1 CHANCE over a child born to a 2 parent household, and I could care less if it is 2 mommies of daddies, TO BE BORN INTO AND WILL LIVE IN POVERTY!!!!!

You are more interested in what makes you feel good instead of lifting children out or poverty.

Do you know me? You don't right?

So how the hell do you get off telling me what I'm interested in exactly?

I've been on this board a day and already people are telling me what I think. Bloody amazing.

Yes, there are kids who have much less of a chance, but using statistics and saying one thing and ignoring everything else doesn't make what you're saying worth saying.

Do you have a point or not?
ok, this is taking a really bad turn. stating statistics (all of which may be questionable) doesn't really prove anything. is poverty a problem in the U.S. - yep, it is. does this problem need to be solved? you bet it does. does it really matter who's fault it is? not really, as that does nothing to solve the problem. so far I haven't heard any SPECIFIC ways to solve it. look at the problem with a little more common sense. if it concerns you, then propose a solution that you feel will work and is doable. blaming it on whomever doesn't solve it.

The solution is to increase demand for goods and services. This is done by putting money into the economy and focusing on reestablishing our manufacturing base. In order to do that, we must invest in infrastructure, green energy and education.
 
Do you know me? You don't right?

So how the hell do you get off telling me what I'm interested in exactly?

I've been on this board a day and already people are telling me what I think. Bloody amazing.

Yes, there are kids who have much less of a chance, but using statistics and saying one thing and ignoring everything else doesn't make what you're saying worth saying.

Do you have a point or not?
ok, this is taking a really bad turn. stating statistics (all of which may be questionable) doesn't really prove anything. is poverty a problem in the U.S. - yep, it is. does this problem need to be solved? you bet it does. does it really matter who's fault it is? not really, as that does nothing to solve the problem. so far I haven't heard any SPECIFIC ways to solve it. look at the problem with a little more common sense. if it concerns you, then propose a solution that you feel will work and is doable. blaming it on whomever doesn't solve it.

The solution is to increase demand for goods and services. This is done by putting money into the economy and focusing on reestablishing our manufacturing base. In order to do that, we must invest in infrastructure, green energy and education.

In other words, we need more of the left-wing failed policies that got us into this mess in the first place.... :bang3:
 
Quit taking responsibility from big business. Corporate profits have been at an all time high.

All of those fake scandals of yours are a product of republicans and Fox News. Even if they were true, Obama had little to do with them.

Oh the irony of Billy boy's insanity... :lol:

With regards to the economy, business and CEO's that run them are to blame!

With regards to the monumental fuck up of the federal government, Obama is never to blame!

Billy - if you ever wonder why nobody takes you seriously on this board, just refer back to this post. You demand that I "quit taking responsibility from big business" and in the very next sentence you type, you take all responsibility from the man in charge of the federal government :eusa_doh:
 
shut up you ignorant troll
come call me ignorant to my face
you're so worried about people send the government your weekly paycheck to help take care of them...put your money where your mouth is

Steph is pissed…

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That's about as much logics as your topical losertrians has ;) They just want to live on that farm and hunt all fucking day long as this modern civilization shit is way to hard for them.:lol:
 
And yet none of you fault republicans for anything. I never said Obama didn't make poor decisions during his presidency. He definitely has.

So basically all you have going for your side of the argument is being a full of shit liar.

Okay farmer Brown. What have I lied about? Prove me wrong or shut up.

Because it goes against his belief that we should go back on the farm and screw modern civilization. What a fucked up world view!
 

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