Republicans are ignorant about the most basic FACTS about welfare in this country

[P@triot]

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I would definitely agree that conservatives pay far too much attention to the dollar costs of welfare, which are not that high in the grand scheme of things, and far too little attention to the cultural costs of welfare, which not only damage the individual and our culture but plague the economy as a whole.

Worse, it's now inter-generational, and it's very doubtful that can be turned around.

Is that right? The fact that we have, as a nation, refused to allow children to starve to death, elderly to die miserably and disadvantaged to live in abject squalor has caused cultural devistation that cannot be turned around?

Go ahead and offer a paragraph of evidence for that very dire claim. Show that the cause of inter generational poverty is the existence of subsistence level social welfare and that there is no remedy that we have not yet tried.

Why do you think government is the only institution capable of stopping all the "devistation" (sic) you're babbling about? Churches, charities and especially the family were quite good at it, and far more efficient.

That is a great question which Frédéric Bastiat explained nicely many years ago:

"Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all." -Frédéric Bastiat

 

[P@triot]

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I would definitely agree that conservatives pay far too much attention to the dollar costs of welfare, which are not that high in the grand scheme of things, and far too little attention to the cultural costs of welfare, which not only damage the individual and our culture but plague the economy as a whole.

Worse, it's now inter-generational, and it's very doubtful that can be turned around.

Is that right? The fact that we have, as a nation, refused to allow children to starve to death, elderly to die miserably and disadvantaged to live in abject squalor has caused cultural devistation that cannot be turned around?

Go ahead and offer a paragraph of evidence for that very dire claim. Show that the cause of inter generational poverty is the existence of subsistence level social welfare and that there is no remedy that we have not yet tried.

Why do you think government is the only institution capable of stopping all the "devistation" (sic) you're babbling about? Churches, charities and especially the family were quite good at it, and far more efficient.

(I have never seen a church or a charity $17 trillion in debt)

 

[Mac1958]

Is that right? The fact that we have, as a nation, refused to allow children to starve to death, elderly to die miserably and disadvantaged to live in abject squalor has caused cultural devistation that cannot be turned around?

Go ahead and offer a paragraph of evidence for that very dire claim. Show that the cause of inter generational poverty is the existence of subsistence level social welfare and that there is no remedy that we have not yet tried.

Why do you think government is the only institution capable of stopping all the "devistation" (sic) you're babbling about? Churches, charities and especially the family were quite good at it, and far more efficient.

(I have never seen a church or a charity $17 trillion in debt)

Lone Laugher -- who continues to post directly to me even though he knows I've had him on ignore for a long time, I wonder what a shrink would say about that -- clearly doesn't understand my post. As a hardcore left wing partisan ideologue, the answer to every problem for him is more government, more dependence, regardless of what it does to people and the culture in the long run.

Generations of families have been damaged by this approach, but these people don't understand or don't care. Children are being raised by parents who were brought up like this. And as I said, now that it's inter-generational, it will be virtually impossible to help many of them improve their own lives. Those who claim to "care" won't even admit this, and cultural effects need to be part of the discussion.

.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Why do you think government is the only institution capable of stopping all the "devistation" (sic) you're babbling about? Churches, charities and especially the family were quite good at it, and far more efficient.

(I have never seen a church or a charity $17 trillion in debt)

Lone Laugher -- who continues to post directly to me even though he knows I've had him on ignore for a long time, I wonder what a shrink would say about that -- clearly doesn't understand my post. As a hardcore left wing partisan ideologue, the answer to every problem for him is more government, more dependence, regardless of what it does to people and the culture in the long run.

Generations of families have been damaged by this approach, but these people don't understand or don't care. Children are being raised by parents who were brought up like this. And as I said, now that it's inter-generational, it will be virtually impossible to help many of them improve their own lives. Those who claim to "care" won't even admit this, and cultural effects need to be part of the discussion.

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A shrink would say that you are weird for ignoring someone on a message board.

A hardcore left wing ideologue? Is that what I am? Cool.

I am not a proponent of dependence, idiot. But I do believe that WE, as a nation, can do things to make the lives of the least among us better. That requires government.

You forgot to post some evidence, by the way.

 

[Gadawg73]

Poverty in in most instances in America=:
1. Children born out of wedlock to young females with no one else in the home.
2. Approaching 80% with African American women.
3. Unwillingness of a citizen to learn a skill that is marketable in the market place
4. Entitlement mentality
5. Why work when I can get social security disability?
6. High school drop outs
7. Culture of non respect for anyone that gets an education
8. War on Drugs effect on inner city youth
9. Lack of respect for women in rap culture
10. Availability of prescription pills

Ignore that and call me a racist and continue to see this grow.

 

[RKMBrown]

Poverty in in most instances in America=:
1. Children born out of wedlock to young females with no one else in the home.
2. Approaching 80% with African American women.
3. Unwillingness of a citizen to learn a skill that is marketable in the market place
4. Entitlement mentality
5. Why work when I can get social security disability?
6. High school drop outs
7. Culture of non respect for anyone that gets an education
8. War on Drugs effect on inner city youth
9. Lack of respect for women in rap culture
10. Availability of prescription pills

Ignore that and call me a racist and continue to see this grow.

IOW hand-outs don't work and taking liberty away from the people encourages rebellion.

 

[TooTall]

Iraq. You can't admit that Republicans failed.

"Democrats voted for it, too!" is your only response. You failed to the tune of thousands of lives and trillions of dollars. YOU FAILED and that is why the majority of normal people on Earth want the GOP to fuck itself deep and hard.

All we Republicans did was take the advice of leading Democrats, such as:

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source
snopes.com: Weapons of Mass Destruction Quotes

 

[RKMBrown]

Iraq. You can't admit that Republicans failed.

"Democrats voted for it, too!" is your only response. You failed to the tune of thousands of lives and trillions of dollars. YOU FAILED and that is why the majority of normal people on Earth want the GOP to fuck itself deep and hard.

All we Republicans did was take the advice of leading Democrats, such as:

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source
snopes.com: Weapons of Mass Destruction Quotes

Kerry, what a joke. He's off selling global warming. ROFL

 

[Gadawg73]

Poverty in in most instances in America=:
1. Children born out of wedlock to young females with no one else in the home.
2. Approaching 80% with African American women.
3. Unwillingness of a citizen to learn a skill that is marketable in the market place
4. Entitlement mentality
5. Why work when I can get social security disability?
6. High school drop outs
7. Culture of non respect for anyone that gets an education
8. War on Drugs effect on inner city youth
9. Lack of respect for women in rap culture
10. Availability of prescription pills

Ignore that and call me a racist and continue to see this grow.

IOW hand-outs don't work and taking liberty away from the people encourages rebellion.

People can rebel all they want to as long as I do not have to pay for it and get a front row seat.

 

[Gadawg73]

Iraq. You can't admit that Republicans failed.

"Democrats voted for it, too!" is your only response. You failed to the tune of thousands of lives and trillions of dollars. YOU FAILED and that is why the majority of normal people on Earth want the GOP to fuck itself deep and hard.

All we Republicans did was take the advice of leading Democrats, such as:

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source
snopes.com: Weapons of Mass Destruction Quotes

The lead men on that con job were Republicans.

 

[Gadawg73]

Kerry had it right on the Viet Nam war.
My brother did 3 tours over there combat vet. Tet offensive.
But on foreign policy Kerry now is a BUFFOON.

 

[P@triot]

(I have never seen a church or a charity $17 trillion in debt)

Lone Laugher -- who continues to post directly to me even though he knows I've had him on ignore for a long time, I wonder what a shrink would say about that -- clearly doesn't understand my post. As a hardcore left wing partisan ideologue, the answer to every problem for him is more government, more dependence, regardless of what it does to people and the culture in the long run.

Generations of families have been damaged by this approach, but these people don't understand or don't care. Children are being raised by parents who were brought up like this. And as I said, now that it's inter-generational, it will be virtually impossible to help many of them improve their own lives. Those who claim to "care" won't even admit this, and cultural effects need to be part of the discussion.

.

A shrink would say that you are weird for ignoring someone on a message board.

A hardcore left wing ideologue? Is that what I am? Cool.

I am not a proponent of dependence, idiot. But I do believe that WE, as a nation, can do things to make the lives of the least among us better. That requires government.

You forgot to post some evidence, by the way.

First of all, no it doesn't. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Second (even if that were true - and it clearly is not), where does the federal government derive that power from?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Poverty in in most instances in America=:
1. Children born out of wedlock to young females with no one else in the home.
2. Approaching 80% with African American women.
3. Unwillingness of a citizen to learn a skill that is marketable in the market place
4. Entitlement mentality
5. Why work when I can get social security disability?
6. High school drop outs
7. Culture of non respect for anyone that gets an education
8. War on Drugs effect on inner city youth
9. Lack of respect for women in rap culture
10. Availability of prescription pills

Ignore that and call me a racist and continue to see this grow.

Let's actually make this a real topic with real issues.

Poverty happens for lots of reasons. Why does the US seem to have far more problems with inner city areas than most other first world countries?

It would seem that education is a big problem in the US. I'd say in other countries, like the UK it is getting close to a similar problem.

What do kids study in school? Skills they will be able to take out into the real world and make a living from or academic stuff that if they are smart enough and focused enough and lucky enough they might be able to do something with?

I don't really see either side doing much to sort the problem out, politics gets in the way, and politics isn't even politics, it's take a side and slag off the other side and pretend somehow you're winning the argument with a load of insults and spending a load of money to win elections, and where does the money come from? Oh, business, who want something back in return.

The US is breaking and unless people snap out of their mentality that "it's the other side's fault" and being controlled massively by people with a lot of self interest, then it will break.

The govt isn't for the people or even by the people. Without that control the US is losing its roots and dying.

 

[P@triot]

I am not a proponent of dependence, idiot. But I do believe that WE, as a nation, can do things to make the lives of the least among us better. That requires government.

I'm so sick of the ignorant left-wing "we" bullshit. What "we" means is that you are too fuck'n lazy to do it and you want to force me to do it for you.

If you want to "make the lives of the least among us better" then you do it. Stop being so fuck'n lazy.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I'm so sick of the ignorant left-wing "we" bullshit. What "we" means is that you are too fuck'n lazy to do it and you want to force me to do it for you.

If you want to "make the lives of the least among us better" then you do it. Stop being so fuck'n lazy.

You mean, social beings thinking in a social way is "bullshit"?

That's bizarre.

Do you really not care about other people?

I'm not even talking welfare here. I like the idea of a safety net for those who need it, but not for those who don't.
However education is massively important and in the US it sucks, especially for the poorer kids who grow up with an unfair advantage, no matter how good they are.

But this isn't a debate going on much in the US. You're more concerned with the issues that big business make to divert your attention away from the real issues. That's the most worrying.

 

[Gadawg73]

Poverty in in most instances in America=:
1. Children born out of wedlock to young females with no one else in the home.
2. Approaching 80% with African American women.
3. Unwillingness of a citizen to learn a skill that is marketable in the market place
4. Entitlement mentality
5. Why work when I can get social security disability?
6. High school drop outs
7. Culture of non respect for anyone that gets an education
8. War on Drugs effect on inner city youth
9. Lack of respect for women in rap culture
10. Availability of prescription pills

Ignore that and call me a racist and continue to see this grow.

Let's actually make this a real topic with real issues.

Poverty happens for lots of reasons. Why does the US seem to have far more problems with inner city areas than most other first world countries?

It would seem that education is a big problem in the US. I'd say in other countries, like the UK it is getting close to a similar problem.

What do kids study in school? Skills they will be able to take out into the real world and make a living from or academic stuff that if they are smart enough and focused enough and lucky enough they might be able to do something with?

I don't really see either side doing much to sort the problem out, politics gets in the way, and politics isn't even politics, it's take a side and slag off the other side and pretend somehow you're winning the argument with a load of insults and spending a load of money to win elections, and where does the money come from? Oh, business, who want something back in return.

The US is breaking and unless people snap out of their mentality that "it's the other side's fault" and being controlled massively by people with a lot of self interest, then it will break.

The govt isn't for the people or even by the people. Without that control the US is losing its roots and dying.

Poverty these days wears a diaper.
Failure to admit that with your head in the sand is part of the problem.
Government incentives ARE the problem.
You can put a HAPPY FACE on it all you want.
But the facts are that a child these days that is born to an unwed young mother HAS A 7 TO 1 CHANCE over a child born to a 2 parent household, and I could care less if it is 2 mommies of daddies, TO BE BORN INTO AND WILL LIVE IN POVERTY!!!!!

You are more interested in what makes you feel good instead of lifting children out or poverty.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Poverty these days wears a diaper.
Failure to admit that with your head in the sand is part of the problem.
Government incentives ARE the problem.
You can put a HAPPY FACE on it all you want.
But the facts are that a child these days that is born to an unwed young mother HAS A 7 TO 1 CHANCE over a child born to a 2 parent household, and I could care less if it is 2 mommies of daddies, TO BE BORN INTO AND WILL LIVE IN POVERTY!!!!!

You are more interested in what makes you feel good instead of lifting children out or poverty.

Do you know me? You don't right?

So how the hell do you get off telling me what I'm interested in exactly?

I've been on this board a day and already people are telling me what I think. Bloody amazing.

Yes, there are kids who have much less of a chance, but using statistics and saying one thing and ignoring everything else doesn't make what you're saying worth saying.

Do you have a point or not?

 

[Billy000]

True, having lots of part time low paying jobs has been real help to the rich, Obama has made sure good paying jobs aren't coming back.

I would love to hear how that is Obama's fault.

I'm glad you asked. Obama (like all marxists/socialists) has demonized success. He has convinced the parasite class that wealth and success are "evil". That scares wealthy/successful people away from America and scares them away from investing in America.

Then he raised taxes on the upper class and the middle class. Since people have less money because Obama is taking it from them, they have less to spend on goods & services (which means less demand which means less jobs). They have less to invest in their own businesses (which means less jobs). They have more expense which means cutting jobs and/or shipping jobs overseas.



First of all, I don't care if the "stimulus packages" brought unemployment down to 0% - unconstitutionally stealing my money and tossing it around to his pals and his special interest groups is unacceptable. He burried my children, my grandchildren, and my great-grandchildren with $7 trillion in debt which can never be paid off - all because he's a power hungry asshole.

Second, and much more important, he didn't "create" 2.5 million jobs he cost America over 10 million jobs. You people are so susceptible to left-wing propaganda that it's hilarious (and tragic). Unemployment is higher under Obama than it was under Bush. How is that possible if Obama "created" so many jobs?!? Because he has cost this nation 12 million jobs, then about 2.5 million were created (and certainly not because of Obama), giving Obama a net loss of about 10 million jobs and hence an entire presidency of between 8% - 10% unemployment.

• He has pissed all over the Constitution (I don't love that)
  
  
• He has raised taxes (I don't love that)
  
  
• He has created roughly 40 new taxes - 18 in Obamacare alone (I don't love that)
  
  
• He has insulted our allies (I don't love that)
  
  
• He has bowed to all of our enemies every whim (I don't love that)
  
  
• He is responsible for the highest unemployment in my life time (I don't love that)
  
  
• He destroyed the free market when he bailed out GM, Chrysler, and Wall Street (I don't love that)
  
  
• He has added over $7 trillion to our national debt (I don't love that)
  
  
• He destroyed the free market and replaced it with government-controlled "regulation" (I don't love that)
  
  
• He has over seen the most corrupt administration in U.S. history - Fast & Furious, Benghazi, IRS targeting conservatives, spying on reporters, Solyndra, the Black Panthers (I don't love that)

Meanwhile, corporate profits are at an all time high.

Yeah - because corporations have taken all of their jobs overseas to nations who don't punish job creators. You know what else is at an all time high under Obama? Unemployment. Longest period of above 8% unemployment in U.S. history (sans the Great Depression).

Tell me, how is it that Obama is more at fault for part time jobs than businesses are? They are the job creators. What are they waiting for? Where are the jobs?

The jobs are overseas because that's where the Dumbocrats have forced them. And Obama is at fault for that because he has made it too expensive to conduct business in the U.S.

Anything else you would like to know?

I love how through this mindless rambling of yours you don't put any blame on republicans.

We lost 2.3 million private jobs in Bush's final months. We lost millions more til the stimulus took effect. That is why the unemployment rate got so high in the first place ass hat. It was Bush that fucked this country over.

There has been steady economic growth since the stimulus came into effect.

Much of the 7 trillion that has accumulated under obama was because tax cuts. In terms of policy, defense was his biggest expense. Most of the other debt that accumulated under Obama is not his doing.

Do you realize how retarded you sound when you blame democrats for jobs going overseas? Where is the evidence of that you idiot? What possible connection is there for that? Just because something sounds like it could be true in that tiny brain of yours, it doesn't mean it actually is true. Quit taking responsibility from big business. Corporate profits have been at an all time high.

All of those fake scandals of yours are a product of republicans and Fox News. Even if they were true, Obama had little to do with them.

Do you even know what his tax hikes exactly were? No because you're an idiot.


You are so stupid. How about you explain how exactly Obama is responsible for the loss of 10 million jobs? I'm so sick of you teabaggers just making shit up to fit am agenda.

Oh and guess what? Both Clinton and Bush used executive order twice as much as Obama.

 

[bonehead]

Poverty these days wears a diaper.
Failure to admit that with your head in the sand is part of the problem.
Government incentives ARE the problem.
You can put a HAPPY FACE on it all you want.
But the facts are that a child these days that is born to an unwed young mother HAS A 7 TO 1 CHANCE over a child born to a 2 parent household, and I could care less if it is 2 mommies of daddies, TO BE BORN INTO AND WILL LIVE IN POVERTY!!!!!

You are more interested in what makes you feel good instead of lifting children out or poverty.

Do you know me? You don't right?

So how the hell do you get off telling me what I'm interested in exactly?

I've been on this board a day and already people are telling me what I think. Bloody amazing.

Yes, there are kids who have much less of a chance, but using statistics and saying one thing and ignoring everything else doesn't make what you're saying worth saying.

Do you have a point or not?

ok, this is taking a really bad turn. stating statistics (all of which may be questionable) doesn't really prove anything. is poverty a problem in the U.S. - yep, it is. does this problem need to be solved? you bet it does. does it really matter who's fault it is? not really, as that does nothing to solve the problem. so far I haven't heard any SPECIFIC ways to solve it. look at the problem with a little more common sense. if it concerns you, then propose a solution that you feel will work and is doable. blaming it on whomever doesn't solve it.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

I would love to hear how that is Obama's fault.

I'm glad you asked. Obama (like all marxists/socialists) has demonized success. He has convinced the parasite class that wealth and success are "evil". That scares wealthy/successful people away from America and scares them away from investing in America.

Then he raised taxes on the upper class and the middle class. Since people have less money because Obama is taking it from them, they have less to spend on goods & services (which means less demand which means less jobs). They have less to invest in their own businesses (which means less jobs). They have more expense which means cutting jobs and/or shipping jobs overseas.



First of all, I don't care if the "stimulus packages" brought unemployment down to 0% - unconstitutionally stealing my money and tossing it around to his pals and his special interest groups is unacceptable. He burried my children, my grandchildren, and my great-grandchildren with $7 trillion in debt which can never be paid off - all because he's a power hungry asshole.

Second, and much more important, he didn't "create" 2.5 million jobs he cost America over 10 million jobs. You people are so susceptible to left-wing propaganda that it's hilarious (and tragic). Unemployment is higher under Obama than it was under Bush. How is that possible if Obama "created" so many jobs?!? Because he has cost this nation 12 million jobs, then about 2.5 million were created (and certainly not because of Obama), giving Obama a net loss of about 10 million jobs and hence an entire presidency of between 8% - 10% unemployment.

• He has pissed all over the Constitution (I don't love that)
  
  
• He has raised taxes (I don't love that)
  
  
• He has created roughly 40 new taxes - 18 in Obamacare alone (I don't love that)
  
  
• He has insulted our allies (I don't love that)
  
  
• He has bowed to all of our enemies every whim (I don't love that)
  
  
• He is responsible for the highest unemployment in my life time (I don't love that)
  
  
• He destroyed the free market when he bailed out GM, Chrysler, and Wall Street (I don't love that)
  
  
• He has added over $7 trillion to our national debt (I don't love that)
  
  
• He destroyed the free market and replaced it with government-controlled "regulation" (I don't love that)
  
  
• He has over seen the most corrupt administration in U.S. history - Fast & Furious, Benghazi, IRS targeting conservatives, spying on reporters, Solyndra, the Black Panthers (I don't love that)

Yeah - because corporations have taken all of their jobs overseas to nations who don't punish job creators. You know what else is at an all time high under Obama? Unemployment. Longest period of above 8% unemployment in U.S. history (sans the Great Depression).

Tell me, how is it that Obama is more at fault for part time jobs than businesses are? They are the job creators. What are they waiting for? Where are the jobs?

The jobs are overseas because that's where the Dumbocrats have forced them. And Obama is at fault for that because he has made it too expensive to conduct business in the U.S.

Anything else you would like to know?

I love how through this mindless rambling of yours you don't put any blame on republicans.

We lost 2.3 million private jobs in Bush's final months. We lost millions more til the stimulus took effect. That is why the unemployment rate got so high in the first place ass hat. It was Bush that fucked this country over.

There has been steady economic growth since the stimulus came into effect.

Much of the 7 trillion that has accumulated under obama was because tax cuts. In terms of policy, defense was his biggest expense. Most of the other debt that accumulated under Obama is not his doing.

Do you realize how retarded you sound when you blame democrats for jobs going overseas? Where is the evidence of that you idiot? What possible connection is there for that? Just because something sounds like it could be true in that tiny brain of yours, it doesn't mean it actually is true. Quit taking responsibility from big business. Corporate profits have been at an all time high.

All of those fake scandals of yours are a product of republicans and Fox News. Even if they were true, Obama had little to do with them.

Do you even know what his tax hikes exactly were? No because you're an idiot.


You are so stupid. How about you explain how exactly Obama is responsible for the loss of 10 million jobs? I'm so sick of you teabaggers just making shit up to fit am agenda.

Oh and guess what? Both Clinton and Bush used executive order twice as much as Obama.

Oh look, another it's not obie's fault post. Nothing ever is you know. over five years in office and nothings his fault but 5 years after Bush is gone he's still the one to blame.

Amazing isn't it? Obie is so feckless and impotent he is STILL being out done by a retiree five years later.