"Republicans finally admit there is no Benghazi scandal"

OS 10305266
... the Obama White House decided to go with a narrative that it wasn't Al Queda that was behind the attacks that killed those four Americans but that the attacks took place because of a YouTube video

What you wrote in post 10305266 is not true. The White House 'decided' nothing of the sort. Susan Rice did not go with a narrative that it was not Al Queda that was behind the attacks that killed four Americans. She went with the 100% correct narrative that an investigation was getting under way to determine if the extremist elements that took part in the attacks were Qaeda affiliates, Libyan-based extremists, or al Qaeda itself.

Why would she say that, Oldstyle, if the narrative was supposed to be that al Qaeda was not behind the attacks?

Why did YOU write the false narrative Oldstyle? Can you explain such irresponsible and dishonest writing coming from your keyboard?[/QUOTE

The false narrative is from YOU actually, Notfooled! Here is the question that was put to Rice and how she responded.


JAKE TAPPER: So, first of all, what is the latest you can tell us on who these attackers were at the embassy or at the consulate in Benghazi? We’re hearing that the Libyans have arrested people. They’re saying that some people involved were from outside the country, that there might have even been Al Qaida ties. What’s the latest information?

MS. RICE: Well, Jake, first of all, it’s important to know that there’s an FBI investigation that has begun and will take some time to be completed. That will tell us with certainty what transpired.

But our current best assessment, based on the information that we have at present, is that, in fact, what this began as, it was a spontaneous — not a premeditated — response to what had transpired in Cairo. In Cairo, as you know, a few hours earlier, there was a violent protest that was undertaken in reaction to this very offensive video that was disseminated.

We believe that folks in Benghazi, a small number of people came to the embassy to — or to the consulate, rather, to replicate the sort of challenge that was posed in Cairo. And then as that unfolded, it seems to have been hijacked, let us say, by some individual clusters of extremists who came with heavier weapons, weapons that as you know in — in the wake of the revolution in Libya are — are quite common and accessible. And it then evolved from there.

From CBS...

MS. RICE: So we’ll want to see the results of that [FBI] investigation to draw any definitive conclusions. But based on the best information we have to date, what our assessment is as of the present is in fact what began spontaneously in Benghazi as a reaction to what had transpired some hours earlier in Cairo where, of course, as you know, there was a violent protest outside of our embassy– –sparked by this hateful video. But soon after that spontaneous protest began outside of our consulate in Benghazi, we believe that it looks like extremist elements, individuals, joined in that– in that effort with heavy weapons of the sort that are, unfortunately, readily now available in Libya post-revolution. And that it spun from there into something much, much more violent.

BOB SCHIEFFER: But you do not agree with him that this was something that had been plotted out several months ago?

MS. RICE: We do not– we do not have information at present that leads us to conclude that this was premeditated or preplanned.

MR. SCHIEFFER: Do you agree or disagree with [the previous guest, the president of Libya’s general national congress] that al Qaeda had some part in this?

MS. RICE: Well, we’ll have to find out that out. I mean I think it’s clear that there were extremist elements that joined in and escalated the violence. Whether they were al Qaeda affiliates, whether they were Libyan-based extremists or al Qaeda itself I think is one of the things we’ll have to determine.

And on FOX...

CHRIS WALLACE: Let’s talk about the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi this week that killed four Americans, including Ambassador Chris Stevens.

The top Libyan official says that the attack on Tuesday was, quote, his words “preplanned”. Al Qaeda says the operation was revenge for our killing a top Al Qaeda leader.

What do we know?

MS. RICE: Well, first of all, Chris, we are obviously investigating this very closely. The FBI has a lead in this investigation. The information, the best information and the best assessment we have today is that in fact this was not a preplanned, premeditated attack. That what happened initially was that it was a spontaneous reaction to what had just transpired in Cairo as a consequence of the video. People gathered outside the embassy and then it grew very violent and those with extremist ties joined the fray and came with heavy weapons, which unfortunately are quite common in post-revolutionary Libya and that then spun out of control.

But we don’t see at this point signs this was a coordinated plan, premeditated attack. Obviously, we will wait for the results of the investigation and we don’t want to jump to conclusions before then. But I do think it’s important for the American people to know our best current assessment.

And on NBC...

DAVID GREGORY: Well, let’s talk– talk about– well, you talked about this as spontaneous. Can you say definitively that the attacks on– on our consulate in Libya that killed ambassador Stevens and others there security personnel, that was spontaneous, was it a planned attack? Was there a terrorist element to it?

MS. RICE: Well, let us– let me tell you the– the best information we have at present. First of all, there’s an FBI investigation which is ongoing. And we look to that investigation to give us the definitive word as to what transpired. But putting together the best information that we have available to us today our current assessment is that what happened in Benghazi was in fact initially a spontaneous reaction to what had just transpired hours before in Cairo, almost a copycat of– of the demonstrations against our facility in Cairo, which were prompted, of course, by the video. What we think then transpired in Benghazi is that opportunistic extremist elements came to the consulate as this was unfolding. They came with heavy weapons which unfortunately are readily available in post revolutionary Libya. And it escalated into a much more violent episode. Obviously, that’s– that’s our best judgment now. We’ll await the results of the investigation. And the president has been very clear–we’ll work with the Libyan authorities to bring those responsible to justice."

It's clear from reading those transcripts EXACTLY what Rice's narrative was for that day...it's what Ben Rhodes spelled out for her in his email! Blame it on the YouTube video...do not under any circumstances admit that it was an Al Queda affiliated group and don't under any circumstances admit it was planned well in advance.
Looks like you confirmed what notfooledbyw said.

Did you even read what I posted? What is wrong with you people? Seriously...how can you read the Rhodes email...then read the transcripts of Rice's comments on all those Sunday morning news shows and not see exactly what she was sent out to do? I've never seen people who can put on blinders like you, Joey and Not Fooled.
 
OS 10305266
... the Obama White House decided to go with a narrative that it wasn't Al Queda that was behind the attacks that killed those four Americans but that the attacks took place because of a YouTube video

What you wrote in post 10305266 is not true. The White House 'decided' nothing of the sort. Susan Rice did not go with a narrative that it was not Al Queda that was behind the attacks that killed four Americans. She went with the 100% correct narrative that an investigation was getting under way to determine if the extremist elements that took part in the attacks were Qaeda affiliates, Libyan-based extremists, or al Qaeda itself.

Why would she say that, Oldstyle, if the narrative was supposed to be that al Qaeda was not behind the attacks?

Why did YOU write the false narrative Oldstyle? Can you explain such irresponsible and dishonest writing coming from your keyboard?[/QUOTE

The false narrative is from YOU actually, Notfooled! Here is the question that was put to Rice and how she responded.


JAKE TAPPER: So, first of all, what is the latest you can tell us on who these attackers were at the embassy or at the consulate in Benghazi? We’re hearing that the Libyans have arrested people. They’re saying that some people involved were from outside the country, that there might have even been Al Qaida ties. What’s the latest information?

MS. RICE: Well, Jake, first of all, it’s important to know that there’s an FBI investigation that has begun and will take some time to be completed. That will tell us with certainty what transpired.

But our current best assessment, based on the information that we have at present, is that, in fact, what this began as, it was a spontaneous — not a premeditated — response to what had transpired in Cairo. In Cairo, as you know, a few hours earlier, there was a violent protest that was undertaken in reaction to this very offensive video that was disseminated.

We believe that folks in Benghazi, a small number of people came to the embassy to — or to the consulate, rather, to replicate the sort of challenge that was posed in Cairo. And then as that unfolded, it seems to have been hijacked, let us say, by some individual clusters of extremists who came with heavier weapons, weapons that as you know in — in the wake of the revolution in Libya are — are quite common and accessible. And it then evolved from there.

From CBS...

MS. RICE: So we’ll want to see the results of that [FBI] investigation to draw any definitive conclusions. But based on the best information we have to date, what our assessment is as of the present is in fact what began spontaneously in Benghazi as a reaction to what had transpired some hours earlier in Cairo where, of course, as you know, there was a violent protest outside of our embassy– –sparked by this hateful video. But soon after that spontaneous protest began outside of our consulate in Benghazi, we believe that it looks like extremist elements, individuals, joined in that– in that effort with heavy weapons of the sort that are, unfortunately, readily now available in Libya post-revolution. And that it spun from there into something much, much more violent.

BOB SCHIEFFER: But you do not agree with him that this was something that had been plotted out several months ago?

MS. RICE: We do not– we do not have information at present that leads us to conclude that this was premeditated or preplanned.

MR. SCHIEFFER: Do you agree or disagree with [the previous guest, the president of Libya’s general national congress] that al Qaeda had some part in this?

MS. RICE: Well, we’ll have to find out that out. I mean I think it’s clear that there were extremist elements that joined in and escalated the violence. Whether they were al Qaeda affiliates, whether they were Libyan-based extremists or al Qaeda itself I think is one of the things we’ll have to determine.

And on FOX...

CHRIS WALLACE: Let’s talk about the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi this week that killed four Americans, including Ambassador Chris Stevens.

The top Libyan official says that the attack on Tuesday was, quote, his words “preplanned”. Al Qaeda says the operation was revenge for our killing a top Al Qaeda leader.

What do we know?

MS. RICE: Well, first of all, Chris, we are obviously investigating this very closely. The FBI has a lead in this investigation. The information, the best information and the best assessment we have today is that in fact this was not a preplanned, premeditated attack. That what happened initially was that it was a spontaneous reaction to what had just transpired in Cairo as a consequence of the video. People gathered outside the embassy and then it grew very violent and those with extremist ties joined the fray and came with heavy weapons, which unfortunately are quite common in post-revolutionary Libya and that then spun out of control.

But we don’t see at this point signs this was a coordinated plan, premeditated attack. Obviously, we will wait for the results of the investigation and we don’t want to jump to conclusions before then. But I do think it’s important for the American people to know our best current assessment.

And on NBC...

DAVID GREGORY: Well, let’s talk– talk about– well, you talked about this as spontaneous. Can you say definitively that the attacks on– on our consulate in Libya that killed ambassador Stevens and others there security personnel, that was spontaneous, was it a planned attack? Was there a terrorist element to it?

MS. RICE: Well, let us– let me tell you the– the best information we have at present. First of all, there’s an FBI investigation which is ongoing. And we look to that investigation to give us the definitive word as to what transpired. But putting together the best information that we have available to us today our current assessment is that what happened in Benghazi was in fact initially a spontaneous reaction to what had just transpired hours before in Cairo, almost a copycat of– of the demonstrations against our facility in Cairo, which were prompted, of course, by the video. What we think then transpired in Benghazi is that opportunistic extremist elements came to the consulate as this was unfolding. They came with heavy weapons which unfortunately are readily available in post revolutionary Libya. And it escalated into a much more violent episode. Obviously, that’s– that’s our best judgment now. We’ll await the results of the investigation. And the president has been very clear–we’ll work with the Libyan authorities to bring those responsible to justice."

It's clear from reading those transcripts EXACTLY what Rice's narrative was for that day...it's what Ben Rhodes spelled out for her in his email! Blame it on the YouTube video...do not under any circumstances admit that it was an Al Queda affiliated group and don't under any circumstances admit it was planned well in advance.
Looks like you confirmed what notfooledbyw said.

Did you even read what I posted? What is wrong with you people? Seriously...how can you read the Rhodes email...then read the transcripts of Rice's comments on all those Sunday morning news shows and not see exactly what she was sent out to do? I've never seen people who can put on blinders like you, Joey and Not Fooled.
Must be you don't even understand what you wrote. :dunno:

Notfooledbyw pointed out Rice stated it started out as a protest but was taken over by heavily armed extremists ehich the FBI was working on identifying. You then posted transcripts from several shows she appeared on saying just that.

You confirmed his claim. Good job! :beer:
 
OS 10305266
... the Obama White House decided to go with a narrative that it wasn't Al Queda that was behind the attacks that killed those four Americans but that the attacks took place because of a YouTube video

What you wrote in post 10305266 is not true. The White House 'decided' nothing of the sort. Susan Rice did not go with a narrative that it was not Al Queda that was behind the attacks that killed four Americans. She went with the 100% correct narrative that an investigation was getting under way to determine if the extremist elements that took part in the attacks were Qaeda affiliates, Libyan-based extremists, or al Qaeda itself.

Why would she say that, Oldstyle, if the narrative was supposed to be that al Qaeda was not behind the attacks?

Why did YOU write the false narrative Oldstyle? Can you explain such irresponsible and dishonest writing coming from your keyboard?[/QUOTE

The false narrative is from YOU actually, Notfooled! Here is the question that was put to Rice and how she responded.


JAKE TAPPER: So, first of all, what is the latest you can tell us on who these attackers were at the embassy or at the consulate in Benghazi? We’re hearing that the Libyans have arrested people. They’re saying that some people involved were from outside the country, that there might have even been Al Qaida ties. What’s the latest information?

MS. RICE: Well, Jake, first of all, it’s important to know that there’s an FBI investigation that has begun and will take some time to be completed. That will tell us with certainty what transpired.

But our current best assessment, based on the information that we have at present, is that, in fact, what this began as, it was a spontaneous — not a premeditated — response to what had transpired in Cairo. In Cairo, as you know, a few hours earlier, there was a violent protest that was undertaken in reaction to this very offensive video that was disseminated.

We believe that folks in Benghazi, a small number of people came to the embassy to — or to the consulate, rather, to replicate the sort of challenge that was posed in Cairo. And then as that unfolded, it seems to have been hijacked, let us say, by some individual clusters of extremists who came with heavier weapons, weapons that as you know in — in the wake of the revolution in Libya are — are quite common and accessible. And it then evolved from there.

From CBS...

MS. RICE: So we’ll want to see the results of that [FBI] investigation to draw any definitive conclusions. But based on the best information we have to date, what our assessment is as of the present is in fact what began spontaneously in Benghazi as a reaction to what had transpired some hours earlier in Cairo where, of course, as you know, there was a violent protest outside of our embassy– –sparked by this hateful video. But soon after that spontaneous protest began outside of our consulate in Benghazi, we believe that it looks like extremist elements, individuals, joined in that– in that effort with heavy weapons of the sort that are, unfortunately, readily now available in Libya post-revolution. And that it spun from there into something much, much more violent.

BOB SCHIEFFER: But you do not agree with him that this was something that had been plotted out several months ago?

MS. RICE: We do not– we do not have information at present that leads us to conclude that this was premeditated or preplanned.

MR. SCHIEFFER: Do you agree or disagree with [the previous guest, the president of Libya’s general national congress] that al Qaeda had some part in this?

MS. RICE: Well, we’ll have to find out that out. I mean I think it’s clear that there were extremist elements that joined in and escalated the violence. Whether they were al Qaeda affiliates, whether they were Libyan-based extremists or al Qaeda itself I think is one of the things we’ll have to determine.

And on FOX...

CHRIS WALLACE: Let’s talk about the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi this week that killed four Americans, including Ambassador Chris Stevens.

The top Libyan official says that the attack on Tuesday was, quote, his words “preplanned”. Al Qaeda says the operation was revenge for our killing a top Al Qaeda leader.

What do we know?

MS. RICE: Well, first of all, Chris, we are obviously investigating this very closely. The FBI has a lead in this investigation. The information, the best information and the best assessment we have today is that in fact this was not a preplanned, premeditated attack. That what happened initially was that it was a spontaneous reaction to what had just transpired in Cairo as a consequence of the video. People gathered outside the embassy and then it grew very violent and those with extremist ties joined the fray and came with heavy weapons, which unfortunately are quite common in post-revolutionary Libya and that then spun out of control.

But we don’t see at this point signs this was a coordinated plan, premeditated attack. Obviously, we will wait for the results of the investigation and we don’t want to jump to conclusions before then. But I do think it’s important for the American people to know our best current assessment.

And on NBC...

DAVID GREGORY: Well, let’s talk– talk about– well, you talked about this as spontaneous. Can you say definitively that the attacks on– on our consulate in Libya that killed ambassador Stevens and others there security personnel, that was spontaneous, was it a planned attack? Was there a terrorist element to it?

MS. RICE: Well, let us– let me tell you the– the best information we have at present. First of all, there’s an FBI investigation which is ongoing. And we look to that investigation to give us the definitive word as to what transpired. But putting together the best information that we have available to us today our current assessment is that what happened in Benghazi was in fact initially a spontaneous reaction to what had just transpired hours before in Cairo, almost a copycat of– of the demonstrations against our facility in Cairo, which were prompted, of course, by the video. What we think then transpired in Benghazi is that opportunistic extremist elements came to the consulate as this was unfolding. They came with heavy weapons which unfortunately are readily available in post revolutionary Libya. And it escalated into a much more violent episode. Obviously, that’s– that’s our best judgment now. We’ll await the results of the investigation. And the president has been very clear–we’ll work with the Libyan authorities to bring those responsible to justice."

It's clear from reading those transcripts EXACTLY what Rice's narrative was for that day...it's what Ben Rhodes spelled out for her in his email! Blame it on the YouTube video...do not under any circumstances admit that it was an Al Queda affiliated group and don't under any circumstances admit it was planned well in advance.
Looks like you confirmed what notfooledbyw said.

Did you even read what I posted? What is wrong with you people? Seriously...how can you read the Rhodes email...then read the transcripts of Rice's comments on all those Sunday morning news shows and not see exactly what she was sent out to do? I've never seen people who can put on blinders like you, Joey and Not Fooled.

Well South. We should just hang it up.

These idiots can't see the evidence right in front of their faces and they don't want to see it.

Four good men died for absolutely nothing except an incompetant State Department run by Clinton.

Then Rice went out and told the American people exactly what the administration told her to.

She said the attack was because of a video.

Panetta told the POTUS that it was terrorists just as soon as it happened and his administration told Rice what to say and like any good dog she did as told.

You and I know thats what happened and so do many others. Let these idiots live in their dream world.

Its just to bad four good men died for absolutely nothing.
 
Your "point" was that "brown" people fight our wars. As usual you were wrong which Kaz pointed out. How many things do you think you can get totally wrong in one string, Joey?

Well, no, there are more blacks in the military than the population at large...

Now, yeah, if you want to count the Coast Guard and the Navy who get nowhere near the actual fighting, you might, just might get racial equity. But it's usually the brown folks dodging the bullets for Zionism and Oil COmpanies.
 
Did you even read what I posted? What is wrong with you people? Seriously...how can you read the Rhodes email...then read the transcripts of Rice's comments on all those Sunday morning news shows and not see exactly what she was sent out to do? I've never seen people who can put on blinders like you, Joey and Not Fooled.

You mean she was told not to say Al Qaeda because Ansar al Sharia is not Al Qaeda, and to put an emphasis on the film because they actually were upset about the film?
 
Did you even read what I posted? What is wrong with you people? Seriously...how can you read the Rhodes email...then read the transcripts of Rice's comments on all those Sunday morning news shows and not see exactly what she was sent out to do? I've never seen people who can put on blinders like you, Joey and Not Fooled.

You mean she was told not to say Al Qaeda because Ansar al Sharia is not Al Qaeda, and to put an emphasis on the film because they actually were upset about the film?

Google is your friend. Google about those terrorists with links to AQ. I did.
 
Clau 10370910
Panetta told the POTUS that it was terrorists just as soon as it happened

If true - you have no case for scandal. Obama called it an act of terror the morning after the attack,

The actual CIA Director - Petraeus - said there was a protest and an attack during the protest by extremists. Susan Rice identified the term 'extremists' as elements from either Qaeda affiliates, Libyan militias, or al Qaeda itself. All three groups are 'terrorists' ... Rice did not contradict in any way what you believe Panetta told the President.

And Panetta said he had no evidence that it was a terrorist attack so it was as much a hunch as anything else,

You must be heartbroken that the main suspect captured and arrested is not AQ and he is reported to have attended the assault with heavy weapons also with the intent of getting revenge over the video.

No wonder non-tribalistic Republicans in Congress grudgingly signed off on a report that there is no scandal involved with Benghazi.


What Oldstyle wrote in post 10305266 is not true. And this applies to you too Claudette. Oldstyle just posted all the transcripts showing the proof that Susan Rice spoke truthfully and professionally on the 16th of September 2012,

You are as wrong as Oldstyle on this.

Susan Rice did not go with a narrative that it was not Al Queda that was behind the attacks that killed four Americans. She went with the 100% correct narrative that an investigation was getting under way to determine if the extremist elements that took part in the attacks were Qaeda affiliates, Libyan-based extremists, or al Qaeda itself.

Why would she say that, Claudette, if the narrative was supposed to be that al Qaeda was not behind the attacks?

Can you explain why you think Susan Rice was lying when she identified the Benghazi extremists to be one if these three groups?

Qaeda affiliates,
Libyan-based militias
al Qaeda itself.

Those are all terrorists She did not ID the 'extremists' as protesters.

 
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how can you read the Rhodes email...then read the transcripts of Rice's comments on all those Sunday morning news shows and not see exactly what she was sent out to do?


Where in The Rhodes email was Susan Rice told to explain when talking specifically about Benghazi that 'extreme elements' were responsible for the deadly attack and clarify that what was meant by 'extreme elements' were one of these three terrorist groups?

Qaeda affiliates,
Libyan-based militias,
al Qaeda itself
 
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Google is your friend. Google about those terrorists with links to AQ. I did.

so did I. Please go back to the NYT article I cited where they specifically say that the mastermind of this attack was not Al Qaeda and really was upset about the video.

New York Fucking Times, Bitches!!!


NY Slimes you mean and yeah there are links going the other way asshole.


CNN.com - Breaking News U.S. World Weather Entertainment Video News

Senate report Benghazi attackers tied to Al Qaeda groups Fox News

Senate says no doubt al-Qaeda in on Benghazi

NYT Despite our assurances it turns out Benghazi was an al-Qaeda-linked attack Hot Air

NY Slimes indeed.

Susan Rice went out and said exactly what she was told to say and your just splitting hairs there idiot.

They lied for two weeks telling the American people that Benghazi was attacked because of demonstrations over a video.
 
NY Slimes you mean and yeah there are links going the other way asshole.

From the Fox News link you posted;

"The Senate committee report stressed that the intelligence still suggests the attack was not “highly coordinated,” but rather “opportunistic” – possibly put in place in “short order” after protests over an anti-Islam film elsewhere in the region."
 
Google is your friend. Google about those terrorists with links to AQ. I did.

so did I. Please go back to the NYT article I cited where they specifically say that the mastermind of this attack was not Al Qaeda and really was upset about the video.

New York Fucking Times, Bitches!!!
^ that Claudette you rw drone/tool/drone :rofl:

As to the OP, yeah, the conservatives w/ any integrity have rightfully abandoned Issa's fishing expedition.
 
Right, did you read your data? It shows that the active duty military is more white than the population at large.

Which wasn't my point, but explaining it to you again would be kind of a waste of time.

Your "point" was that "brown" people fight our wars. As usual you were wrong which Kaz pointed out. How many things do you think you can get totally wrong in one string, Joey?


Brown people don't fight our wars? Wow, that's news to me.

Aren't those brown people in the photos below?

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So you have photos of a mixed race military crowd. That means as Joe said "brown people" are fighting our wars. That's more important that stats that the military is whiter than the rest of the country. Got it.Did you write that post for the purpose of showing what an idiot you are, because wow, you did a great job of it.
 

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