Republicans, Refugees and the Hysterical Politics of Fear

[peach174]

WND is just reporting what was said at the hearings.
In a blistering cross-examination of officials responsible for the U.S. refugee resettlement program, it was revealed at a Senate hearing Thursday that more than 90 percent of Syrians who apply for refugee status get approved despite very little data being available to check for security risks.
Read more at Feds admit: ‘We have no outside data’ on Syrian refugees

No, that's just WND making shit up. Seriously, read the article. At no point during testimony did any representative of the US government say "90 percent of Syrians who apply for refugee status get approved".

That is not what it said.
It said 90% gets approved despite very little data being available.

That's what WND says, not what "the government" said.

It is what was said at the hearing.

Not according to your own link. Do you have a quote?

Ouote by Emrich-
“In many countries the U.S. accepts refugees from, the country did not have extensive data holdings,” he said.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

No, that's just WND making shit up. Seriously, read the article. At no point during testimony did any representative of the US government say "90 percent of Syrians who apply for refugee status get approved".

That is not what it said.
It said 90% gets approved despite very little data being available.

That's what WND says, not what "the government" said.

It is what was said at the hearing.

Not according to your own link. Do you have a quote?

Ouote by Emrich-
“In many countries the U.S. accepts refugees from, the country did not have extensive data holdings,” he said.

That's the best you could find? I don't see anything there about "90% of refugees being approved without data being available".

I rest my case - WND is full of shit, yet again.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Canada has a huge Muslim population. Well over one million. So, shut the Canucks down, too. No more cheap Rx, for you, either! Take your hockey puck with you.

 

[Jackson]

The problem with your speel here is that it is not only Republican governors that are opposed to allowing the refugees in, there are also Democrat governors who are opposed. Perhaps you might attempt a little honesty here. It's the American people who are opposed to Obama's policies, Stupid. Obama is handing Donald Trump the 2016 Presidential election.

Only one of them is a Democrat. Nice try though.

How many terrorists did it take to bring down the World Trade Centers, attack the Pentagon and bring down another flight? and we are allowing 10,000 in for refugee status? Let's hope people are listening to Trump and realizing he makes sense!

 

[mudwhistle]

That is not what it said.
It said 90% gets approved despite very little data being available.

That's what WND says, not what "the government" said.

It is what was said at the hearing.

Not according to your own link. Do you have a quote?

Ouote by Emrich-
“In many countries the U.S. accepts refugees from, the country did not have extensive data holdings,” he said.

That's the best you could find? I don't see anything there about "90% of refugees being approved without data being available".

I rest my case - WND is full of shit, yet again.

So you're saying that the UN can be trusted?
That Syria has the names and identities of all of these people and has no problem sharing that information with the United States.....who openly calls for the overthrow of their government and is actively trying to carry it out?

Is that what you're trying to say?

 

[theDoctorisIn]

That's what WND says, not what "the government" said.

It is what was said at the hearing.

Not according to your own link. Do you have a quote?

Ouote by Emrich-
“In many countries the U.S. accepts refugees from, the country did not have extensive data holdings,” he said.

That's the best you could find? I don't see anything there about "90% of refugees being approved without data being available".

I rest my case - WND is full of shit, yet again.

So you're saying that the UN can be trusted?
That Syria has the names and identities of all of these people and has no problem sharing that information with the United States.....who openly calls for the overthrow of their government and is actively trying to carry it out?

Is that what you're trying to say?

No, I'm saying that WND is full of shit.

But continue arguing with yourself, you seem to be enjoying it.

 

[Coyote]

Unlike refugees of the past, the ones from Syria are militant Muslims. Syria has a long history of terrorism directed against Israel and the West and a demonstratable hatred of the non-Muslim world. Yet we're expected to forget about that and welcome them inside our borders because their own government tried to kill them? Have you asked yourself why they're refugees from their own government? Maybe because they were a violent threat?

The US refused access to European Jews, most particularly East European from Axis states because they were considered "undesirables" and a conduit for infiltrators. The argument against Syrian refugees is much the same.

Their own government is Assad. Assad is not exactly a model ruler but the latest in the line of ruthless dictators with horrendous human rights abuse record, intolerance of any political dissidents. Maybe that is why his people rose up and why he is indiscriminantly slaughtering them and turning them into refugees. The other "government" at play is ISIS from which refugees are also fleeing.

Difference being exclusion of Jewish refugees was born out of bigotry and hypotheticals. There really are terrorists among Syrians.

No...not really.

Was there bigotry? You bet. Just like with the Syrians.

Could there have been infiltrators amongst them? Yes, there could have and probably were a few. There were brave journalists who smuggled themselves into Nazi Germany. What makes you think the reverse wouldn't happen? There didn't exist the instant media and electronic communications then that we have now. But I'm sure the fear then was just as real as the fear now and just as "valid".

Bigotry is irrational hatred of people or groups. Hating Syrian refugees almost certainly including infiltrators isn't irrational, just prudent. Don't think anyone credible hates all the Syrians just because they're Syrian, know I don't, and I wish we could welcome them with open arms. But there are confirmed ISIS terrorists among them. Only way to ensure they don't get in is exclude them all. Sucks, but that's wartime reality.

Then were those that "hate" Jewish refugees because they "almost certainly" included infiltrators prudent?

I think like many things - it's a combination of fear and hate and legitimate concern. I do think - looking at the posts I see here - there is a strong element of hate, not because they are "Syrian" but because they are Muslim.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

The problem with your speel here is that it is not only Republican governors that are opposed to allowing the refugees in, there are also Democrat governors who are opposed. Perhaps you might attempt a little honesty here. It's the American people who are opposed to Obama's policies, Stupid. Obama is handing Donald Trump the 2016 Presidential election.

Only one of them is a Democrat. Nice try though.

How many terrorists did it take to bring down the World Trade Centers, attack the Pentagon and bring down another flight? and we are allowing 10,000 in for refugee status? Let's hope people are listening to Trump and realizing he makes sense!

How many right-wing nut jobs did it take to murder 90 or so children in Norway? Only one?

How many rightwing nutjobs do we have living in America?

BETTER FREAK OUT!!!!!

 

[easyt65]

"Republicans, Refugees and the Hysterical Politics of Fear"

Obama, IS THAT YOU?! ...might as well be.

Over 150 French dead, almost as many wounded...and Obama calls that a 'STEBACK'...

Then he MOCKS Americans' valid fears of terrorists who have possibly infiltrated into refugee ranks, just as ISIS promised and carried out in France, claiming Americans are afraid of 'widows and children'....

Yet HE and dumbmasses like YOU, spread your B$ liberal propaganda and lies that completely ignore the FACTS:

America's 'enemies within': How nearly SEVENTY have been arrested in America over ISIS plots in last 18 months - including refugees who had been given safe haven but 'turned to terror'

LINK: 66 arrested in America over ISIS and they include refugees

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Unlike refugees of the past, the ones from Syria are militant Muslims. Syria has a long history of terrorism directed against Israel and the West and a demonstratable hatred of the non-Muslim world. Yet we're expected to forget about that and welcome them inside our borders because their own government tried to kill them? Have you asked yourself why they're refugees from their own government? Maybe because they were a violent threat?

The US refused access to European Jews, most particularly East European from Axis states because they were considered "undesirables" and a conduit for infiltrators. The argument against Syrian refugees is much the same.

Their own government is Assad. Assad is not exactly a model ruler but the latest in the line of ruthless dictators with horrendous human rights abuse record, intolerance of any political dissidents. Maybe that is why his people rose up and why he is indiscriminantly slaughtering them and turning them into refugees. The other "government" at play is ISIS from which refugees are also fleeing.

Difference being exclusion of Jewish refugees was born out of bigotry and hypotheticals. There really are terrorists among Syrians.

No...not really.

Was there bigotry? You bet. Just like with the Syrians.

Could there have been infiltrators amongst them? Yes, there could have and probably were a few. There were brave journalists who smuggled themselves into Nazi Germany. What makes you think the reverse wouldn't happen? There didn't exist the instant media and electronic communications then that we have now. But I'm sure the fear then was just as real as the fear now and just as "valid".

Bigotry is irrational hatred of people or groups. Hating Syrian refugees almost certainly including infiltrators isn't irrational, just prudent. Don't think anyone credible hates all the Syrians just because they're Syrian, know I don't, and I wish we could welcome them with open arms. But there are confirmed ISIS terrorists among them. Only way to ensure they don't get in is exclude them all. Sucks, but that's wartime reality.

Then were those that "hate" Jewish refugees because they "almost certainly" included infiltrators prudent?

I think like many things - it's a combination of fear and hate and legitimate concern. I do think - looking at the posts I see here - there is a strong element of hate, not because they are "Syrian" but because they are Muslim.

Were no Jewish infiltrators. So no, wasn't prudent.

And yes, there's a ton of irrational hatred directed both at the Syrians and Muslims. While much of it is irrational, not all of it is. Some of the hatred is well-deserved. Like when Muslims expect locals in countries them emmigrate to to conform to Muslim standards of dress. Uh, excuse me, but you came to my country, I didn't come to your's. You do it our way, not your's. You left the country where you got to do things according to your religion because you were the majority. Here you're a minority that barely registers so don't press your luck.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

We already see what these Syrians are doing in Germany and Finland demanding women cover up to Muslim standards of dress. Gonna see that here as well.

 

[Stephanie]

holy smokes, so I guess those elected Democrats wailing over how this is being caused by CLIMATE CHANGE and if we don't allow them to wave their magic wands to change our climate or something is the politics of calm, cool and not STUPID FEARMONGING .
the American people have Legitimate questions over all this and I guess some feels this a time to spread lies and hate for political points
All of you saintly people who doesn't have any fears open your homes up to the refugees. let us all know how it's going.

 

[Coyote]

The US refused access to European Jews, most particularly East European from Axis states because they were considered "undesirables" and a conduit for infiltrators. The argument against Syrian refugees is much the same.

Their own government is Assad. Assad is not exactly a model ruler but the latest in the line of ruthless dictators with horrendous human rights abuse record, intolerance of any political dissidents. Maybe that is why his people rose up and why he is indiscriminantly slaughtering them and turning them into refugees. The other "government" at play is ISIS from which refugees are also fleeing.

Difference being exclusion of Jewish refugees was born out of bigotry and hypotheticals. There really are terrorists among Syrians.

No...not really.

Was there bigotry? You bet. Just like with the Syrians.

Could there have been infiltrators amongst them? Yes, there could have and probably were a few. There were brave journalists who smuggled themselves into Nazi Germany. What makes you think the reverse wouldn't happen? There didn't exist the instant media and electronic communications then that we have now. But I'm sure the fear then was just as real as the fear now and just as "valid".

Bigotry is irrational hatred of people or groups. Hating Syrian refugees almost certainly including infiltrators isn't irrational, just prudent. Don't think anyone credible hates all the Syrians just because they're Syrian, know I don't, and I wish we could welcome them with open arms. But there are confirmed ISIS terrorists among them. Only way to ensure they don't get in is exclude them all. Sucks, but that's wartime reality.

Then were those that "hate" Jewish refugees because they "almost certainly" included infiltrators prudent?

I think like many things - it's a combination of fear and hate and legitimate concern. I do think - looking at the posts I see here - there is a strong element of hate, not because they are "Syrian" but because they are Muslim.

Were no Jewish infiltrators. So no, wasn't prudent.

And yes, there's a ton of irrational hatred directed both at the Syrians and Muslims. While much of it is irrational, not all of it is. Some of the hatred is well-deserved. Like when Muslims expect locals in countries them emmigrate to to conform to Muslim standards of dress. Uh, excuse me, but you came to my country, I didn't come to your's. You do it our way, not your's. You left the country where you got to do things according to your religion because you were the majority. Here you're a minority that barely registers so don't press your luck.

Nazi inflitrators. How do you know there were none?

A good article drawing parallels: This Isn't America's First Freakout Over Refugees

...Furthermore, one of the best defenses against infiltration turned out to be the refugees themselves. After the American ambassador to France, William Bullitt, declared that "More than one-half the spies captured doing actual military spy work against the French army were refugees from Germany," the anti-fascist writer Heinz Pol noted not merely that the number was far smaller than that, but that the handful of pseudo-refugees who did exist were frequently caught with the assistance of refugee organizations, who after all were especially eager to work against Hitler. (Significantly, Pol's argument appeared in The Nation, which at that point in its history was very susceptible to fears of foreign subversion. The magazine ran a regular feature, called "Within Our Gates," devoted to exposing alleged fifth-column activities; one installment argued that "every German alien in the country" except the refugees and obvious dissidents "must be presumed to be doing everything within his power to undermine the United States.")​

Paris attacks: Why is 1939 invoked in Syrian refugee debate? - BBC News

"Just before and during World War 2, the decision to cast group suspicion on European Jews and deny most entry on the grounds that with relatives and ties to Europe they might be spies or vulnerable to forced spying helped cost innumerable lives during the Holocaust," she writes.

Several writers specifically mentioned the story of the St Louis, a cruise ship carrying more than 900 Jewish refugees from Germany that was denied entry into Cuba and then the US.

The ship was forced to return to Western Europe, where a quarter the refugees eventually died in the Holocaust.

David Bier of the Niskanen Center writes that in 1940 US State Department "essentially endorsed the decision to turn back the St Louis", as it recommended Caribbean nations continue to refuse entry for Jewish refugees for fears that "spies had infiltrated the refugee stream".

"The refugee has got to be checked because, unfortunately, among the refugees there are some spies, as has been found in other countries," President Franklin Roosevelt said at the time.

Others critics have drawn parallels between today's rhetoric and public sentiments expressed in the late 1930s.

They cite a 1938 Fortune magazine poll asking Americans whether European political refugees should be allowed to enter the US. Nearly 70% said "with conditions as they are, we should try to keep them out". Only 5% said the US should raise immigration quotas to allow more entries.

The following year, 61% of the US public said the government should not admit "10,000 refugee children from Germany - most of them Jewish".​

 

[Coyote]

We already see what these Syrians are doing in Germany and Finland demanding women cover up to Muslim standards of dress. Gonna see that here as well.

Many refugees come in with their own culture and "demands" - how is that different from any other refugee group? How many of them are really making those demands? Or, is this more hype from the media?

Attitudes towards the East European refugees were similar - they were dirty, diseased, potentially treacherous - they had their own insular (Jewish) culture and "wouldn't assimilate", they had their own language newspapers and "wouldn't learn English". Thing is - they need to adjust to their host countries culture and they eventually do.

 

[the_human_being]

I do so wish Obama would take a mail-order course on the Constitution. He looks so very foolish.

Refugee ‘Religious Test’ Is ‘Shameful’ and ‘Not American’ … Except that Federal Law Requires It | National Review Online

 

[Delta4Embassy]

We already see what these Syrians are doing in Germany and Finland demanding women cover up to Muslim standards of dress. Gonna see that here as well.

Many refugees come in with their own culture and "demands" - how is that different from any other refugee group? How many of them are really making those demands? Or, is this more hype from the media?

Attitudes towards the East European refugees were similar - they were dirty, diseased, potentially treacherous - they had their own insular (Jewish) culture and "wouldn't assimilate", they had their own language newspapers and "wouldn't learn English". Thing is - they need to adjust to their host countries culture and they eventually do.

Might be hype if just the usual suspects were perpetrating the stories, but it's not just Islamophobic sites and ultraconservative outlets, it's everybody because it's true.

"The gym has been closed as a result, and PE lessons have been relocated to a nearby primary school, but the school is still worried about the refugees interacting with students.
...
The letter goes on to give students instructions on how to deal with the situation:

"The Syrian citizens are mainly Muslims and speak Arabic. The refugees are marked by their own culture. Because our school is directly next to where they are staying, modest clothing should be adhered to, in order to avoid discrepancies. Revealing tops or blouses, short shorts or miniskirts could lead to misunderstandings."

The letter has not been met favourably by some parents, but a local politician, who did not want to be named, told Die Welt the move was "absolutely necessary".

"When Muslim teenage boys go to open air swimming pools, they are overwhelmed when they see girls in bikinis," he said.

"These boys, who come from a culture where for women it is frowned upon to show naked skin, follow girls and bother them without realizing. Obviously this is concerning for us," he continued.

The move by the school has caused a lot of discussion, and Thalhammer has received queries from all over the media, reports the Passauer Neue Presse.

"There have never been uniform rules at this school and there never will be." He said.

"It is my duty to look after the children. Therefore I wanted to inform everyone about what is going on at school and what the gym is being used for."

"It was my responsibility to remind everyone that two cultures are coming together here," he continued."
Refugee host school bans revealing clothes

Many Jewish immigrants did not in fact assimilate and you can see them to this day in areas of Brooklyn dressed all in black, not taking local cabs or buses in mixed-sex groups, and even having to be staggered after religious services to go home because they're afraid of bumping into opposite-sexes on the sidewalk.

And there's always going to be diseases in immigrant populations just as you don't drink local water in other countries because the microbes are different. Nothing inherently wrong with Mexico's water if a local, but a foreigner is gonna have a nasty experience drinking it. Because they haven't the built-in immunity locals have. Same with Syrian diseases they have an have developed a toelrance for, but we haven't because we've not faced such problems for a long time.

 

[peach174]

It is what was said at the hearing.

Not according to your own link. Do you have a quote?

Ouote by Emrich-
“In many countries the U.S. accepts refugees from, the country did not have extensive data holdings,” he said.

That's the best you could find? I don't see anything there about "90% of refugees being approved without data being available".

I rest my case - WND is full of shit, yet again.

So you're saying that the UN can be trusted?
That Syria has the names and identities of all of these people and has no problem sharing that information with the United States.....who openly calls for the overthrow of their government and is actively trying to carry it out?

Is that what you're trying to say?

No, I'm saying that WND is full of shit.

But continue arguing with yourself, you seem to be enjoying it.

So how about MSNBC?
Some US Officials Argue That Refugees Are Being Properly Vetted. Here's What They're Missing.
the FBI Director James Comey, who told Congress last month:

“If someone has never made a ripple in the pond in Syria in a way that would get their identity or their interest reflected in our database, we can query our database until the cows come home, but there will be nothing show up because we have no record of them.”

 

[Stephanie]

they want us to believe that administration that is chocked full of liars.

and their lead liar is the President. so if we don't fall for his BS that make everyone Refugee haters. that's pretty pathetic. something I'd expect from a thug like Him. but the rest of you dumping on people because they have concerns. that low

 

[mudwhistle]

It is what was said at the hearing.

Not according to your own link. Do you have a quote?

Ouote by Emrich-
“In many countries the U.S. accepts refugees from, the country did not have extensive data holdings,” he said.

That's the best you could find? I don't see anything there about "90% of refugees being approved without data being available".

I rest my case - WND is full of shit, yet again.

So you're saying that the UN can be trusted?
That Syria has the names and identities of all of these people and has no problem sharing that information with the United States.....who openly calls for the overthrow of their government and is actively trying to carry it out?

Is that what you're trying to say?

No, I'm saying that WND is full of shit.

But continue arguing with yourself, you seem to be enjoying it.

Look, I can go back and read the quotes attached to your post, so I'm not arguing with myself. I'm arguing with a person that can't admit he's wrong, and this is just a defensive tactic on your part. Just admit that I have a point.

Most of these Syrian refugees cannot be tracked because there is no paper trail on them due to the simple fact we are fighting a proxy war against the only good source, Syria itself.

 

[TemplarKormac]

It's funny how The Right castigates The Left for being all about "fweewings" when utterly shameful crap like this is going on. Fear is a "feeling" too and like many feelings not always rational.

Republicans' anti-refugee rhetoric is shameful and despicable — and probably good politics

As I write this, 26 Republican governors (and one Democrat) have said publicly that they oppose bringing Syrian refugees to their states, with most saying they'd refuse to accept them; by the time you read this, the other five Republican governors may have made similar statements. Meanwhile, every major GOP presidential candidate has come out against bringing Syrian refugees here, and Ted Cruz has introduced a bill to bar any Syrian refugees from settling in the United States.

This hurricane of xenophobia and cynical opportunism makes for a truly odious display. But sadly, it's also good politics for Republicans, at least in the short term.​

Yes...politics is certainly playing a big part. Let's analyze the reality.

Before we go any farther, we should acknowledge a simple fact: If you're concerned about stopping ISIS from committing an act of terrorism in the United States, the 10,000 Syrian refugees who will be admitted after a rigorous vetting process is one of the last things you should be worried about. It's possible (though far from necessary) for a member of ISIS to get to Europe by posing as a refugee, since large numbers of Syrians are somewhat chaotically making their way to places like Greece, and once they're on European soil they can move freely between countries. But the process of getting to the United States as a refugee is completely different.​

Rightwing Histrionic#1 -- we don't know who they are!!!! they could be anyone!!! they aren't vetted well!!!!!

The vetting process is far more extensive for a refugee coming in than it is for, say, someone with a tourist visa. It can take upwards of 2 years before they are admitted.

4 Things To Know About The Vetting Process For Syrian Refugees

Refugees are screened by several different agencies
Their first point of a refugee's contact is with the U.N. High Commission for Refugees. The UNHCR refers people to countries based on whether they have any family members there and where resettlement makes the most sense, say U.S. officials. If that's the U.S., then refugees are vetted by the National Counterterrorism Center, the FBI's Terrorist Screening Center, and the Departments of State, Defense and Homeland Security. Fingerprints are taken, biographical information is collected. They are then each individually interviewed by U.S. officials trained to verify that they're bona fide refugees.

Refugees from Syria are then subject to additional screening that looks at where they came from and what caused them to flee their home, stories that are checked out. All of this occurs before a refugee is allowed to set foot in the country.

It's a lengthy process

As you might imagine, all of the vetting, from interviews to fingerprinting, takes a while. On average, officials say it's 18 to 24 months before a refugee is approved for admission to the U.S...​

Histrionic #2: why should we be paying for them when we got xyz homeless people and people in poverty? (this one was a shocker to hear because it's the first time I've heard any concern from the Republicans for the welfare of homeless people and their actions in cutting programs demonizing the poor as parasites indicate quite the opposite).

Physical resettlement
There are nine different nonprofit groups, six of them faith-based, that help refugees settle in the U.S. Volunteers with the groups help refugees find homes, furniture, school supplies and jobs.​

Oops...looks like you don't have to pay for it unless you want to, people volunteer because they feel it's the right thing to do - another faux objection.

Histrionic #3: omg omg a refugee disappeared in Louisiana...no one knows where he is!!!!!!! We've got to stop taking Syrian refugees!!!!!

Reality check: umh...no...he was never missing.

Catholic Charities: One Syrian immigrant briefly settled in Baton Rouge before moving; he never went missing
Baton Rouge received one Syrian refugee over the summer, a man Catholic Charities helped for a few days before he left to meet family in another state.


Catholic Charities said Tuesday the man is the only Syrian refugee they have helped recently, and Louisiana State Police confirmed he had left Baton Rouge for Washington, D.C.


But the news of that one man set off a flood of phone calls Tuesday to the organization, especially from misinformation that made some people believe the man had gone missing, Catholic Charities Executive Director David Aguillard said.


One caller even made several threats while on the phone with Catholic Charities, especially against Syrian refugees. State Police said they are investigating the threats and take them seriously.​

Now IS there a need for concern? Some, but far less than the hysteria demands.

Objections of governors and members of Congress

Some officials, including FBI Director James Comey, worry there are what Comey has called "gaps" in the vetting process. Experts say U.S. intelligence in Syria isn't very good, because the U.S. lacks much of a presence on the ground. So there's no way to compile a thorough watch list of possible terrorists from Syria against which refugees can be checked. Administration officials are briefing governors and members of Congress about the process, but lawmakers may try to pass legislation calling on the administration to suspend its refugee resettlement efforts.​

The groups most responsible for helping refugees - whether they are Burmese, Somali, or Syrian are often our religious institutions and other non-profit charities. Kudos to them, for they are struggling to keep our nation's moral compass pointed in the right direction. When all those Central American children were flooding the border, they had the courage to take them in and help them while the wingnuts picketed their bus and yelled slurs.

Christian groups break with GOP over Syrian refugees
Faith-based groups, who play a key role in resettling refugees to the United States, say they are dismayed by the wave of anti-refugee fervor set off by the Paris terrorist attacks and are urging supporters to contact elected officials on behalf of victims of the Syrian civil war.

Evangelical Christians, as well as Christians more broadly, are a core group in the Republican electoral base and are among the most passionate advocates for aiding refugees.

A push by Republican presidential candidates to ban Syrian refugees "does not reflect what we've been hearing from our constituencies, which are evangelical churches across the country," said Jenny Yang, vice president for advocacy at World Relief, an evangelical organization that helps resettle refugees. "Most of the people have been saying we want to continue to work with refugees, that what happened in Paris ... doesn’t reflect who refugees are."​

Coyote, there's a big difference between our fear and your complacency.