Republicans - Rich vs. Rubes

[Toro]

Clinton never won the popular vote, turd.

Clinton received a higher share of the popular vote than anyone else in either of this two elections. Neither Bush nor Dole garnered as much of the vote as Clinton.

Are you this retarded in real life?

Clinton won a plurality on both cases. The conservative vote was split among two other candidates. Clinton never got a majority of the popular vote.

This is the type of retardation that caused the Right to believe for sure that it was going to win the 2012 election.

Republicans have LOST five of the last six Presidential popular votes. That Clinton did not win a majority of the vote does not change the simple fact that the Republican Party has lost five of the last six Presidential popular votes. Republicans lost. Period. End of story. Whining about Ross Perot does not change this.

But let's take your argument at face value. Clinton won 49.2% of the vote in 1996. You're a moron if you think that that all of Perot's vote would have gone to Dole. In 2000, Gore and Nader won 51.1% of the popular vote. In 2008, Obama won 52.9% of the popular vote. In 2012, Obama won 51% of the popular vote. So in three of the past four popular votes, the left won more than the right. And since you'd have to be a blind, unintelligent, partisan ideologue to assume that Dole would have won 90%+ of Perot's vote, we can safely assume that Clinton would have won a majority had Perot not run. So, congratulations. By your flawed logic, in one out of the last five elections, the majority of voters voted for the right-wing candidate. Well done. You're winning.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Clinton received a higher share of the popular vote than anyone else in either of this two elections. Neither Bush nor Dole garnered as much of the vote as Clinton.

Are you this retarded in real life?

Clinton won a plurality on both cases. The conservative vote was split among two other candidates. Clinton never got a majority of the popular vote.

This is the type of retardation that caused the Right to believe for sure that it was going to win the 2012 election.

Republicans have LOST five of the last six Presidential popular votes. That Clinton did not win a majority of the vote does not change the simple fact that the Republican Party has lost five of the last six Presidential popular votes. Republicans lost. Period. End of story. Whining about Ross Perot does not change this.

But let's take your argument at face value. Clinton won 49.2% of the vote in 1996. You're a moron if you think that that all of Perot's vote would have gone to Dole. In 2000, Gore and Nader won 51.1% of the popular vote. In 2008, Obama won 52.9% of the popular vote. In 2012, Obama won 51% of the popular vote. So in three of the past four popular votes, the left won more than the right. And since you'd have to be a blind, unintelligent, partisan ideologue to assume that Dole would have won 90%+ of Perot's vote, we can safely assume that Clinton would have won a majority had Perot not won. So, congratulations. By your flawed logic, in one out of the last five elections, the majority of voters voted for the right-wing candidate. Well done. You're winning.

And what party dominates Canada? A progressive/conservative hybridous party. So you get the best of both worlds up there don't you?

 

[Dot Com]

The thing I've noticed in my 12 step recovery from being a Republican is that the GOP, since 1980 at least, has divided itself into Rich Issues vs. Rube Issues.

And it's really easy to tell them apart.

A Rich Issue is one where only the 1% really benefits, the rest of us are left holding the bag, but the GOP will act on these things like they are top priorities and their mouthpieces on Hate Radio and Faux News will spend a lot of time convincing you that you have a stake at the table.

Examples- Tax Cuts for Rich People. Free Trade. Right to Work. At Will Employment.


A Rube issue is one that people get emotionally invested in, but the GOP isn't really the least bit interested in changing things on them. Instead, these are issues that are meant to keep you truly upset about something and voting against your own economic issues, and they are never mentioned again until the next election-

Examples - Abortion. Gay Marriage. Creationism. Prayer in Schools. The needle hasn't moved one inch on most of these issues, or if it has moved (as in the case of gay marriage) its been in the opposite of the desired direction.

There are some cavaets, of course. Guns might seem on the surface to be a "Rube" issue, but it's really a "rich" issue. It's about the gun companies being able to sell to someone like Nancy Lanza, and screw the consequences. There wouldn't be as big a market for the rich to make money off the guns if the rubes weren't kept really scared all the time, so you have to make it easy for crooks to get guns.

Immigration is another one. ON the surface, you keep the rubes angry about "those people" wanting to take their jobs, but the Rich are the ones offering the jobs to "those people". Not just the 20 or so illegals who are already here, but the 1.25 million "legal" immigrants who get entry visas from employers because they claim up and down they can't find a qualified American. No, really.

When I stopped being a Republican is when I realized I had nothing in common with the "rich" and refused to be a "Rube".

I cannot argue w/ anything you've said. The "shiny objects" they use to keep social cons preoccupied away from the fact that real wages haven't risen in 30 yrs

 

[AmazonTania]

I cannot argue w/ anything you've said. The "shiny objects" they use to keep social cons preoccupied away from the fact that real wages haven't risen in 30 yrs

What is up with this '30 years ago' template that everyone loves to follow... Oh, wait. Nevermind...

 

[buckeye45_73]

You know the title of this thread is true....it really is.......liberals think rich people are ultra conservative republicans......bwahahhahahaha


Shock poll: Wealthy, not middle class, support Obama | WashingtonExaminer.com



I love it when liberals talk about class like Marx......class and money have nothing to do with politics man,.........seriously stupid people

 

[SFC Ollie]

Didn't you say there was no difference between the state and Federal? I'm almost certain you made that point.
Well here you have a Democrat controlled State giving tax cuts to the wealthy, but you still want to claim it doesn't work and never has....

Sorry you can't have it both ways.....

Your time isn't short, you got caught is all..........

My time is short tonight, but I've got months and months and years and years afterwards......

Actually, it does make a difference, since Taxes in New York have NO EFFECT on the federal deficit, which is what we were talking about, weren't we?

You know, Obama is a "failure" because he ran up debt or something, most of which was committed to because of Reagan and Bush's tax cuts for wealthy assholes?

I see; Massachusetts healthcare is the same as National healthcare but New York State tax breaks for wealthy and businesses isn't the same as national Tax breaks....

Tax revenue (Millions $) Individual income tax/ corporation tax

2001 = 994,339 / 151,075
2002 = 858,345 / 148,044
2003 = 793,699 / 131/778
2004 = 808,959 / 189/371
2005 = 927,222 / 278/202
2006 = 1,043,948 / 353,915
2007 = 1,163,472 / 370,243
2008 = 1,145,747 / 304,346

I don't think we have a revenue problem...........

Historical Amount of Revenue by Source

 

[whitehall]

Radical democrats still see the world in black and white, haves and have nots and rich and rubes. Just because they take advantage of the freedom and incredible wealth of the greatest Country in the world it doesn't mean they can't hate it.

 

[JoeB131]

Radical democrats still see the world in black and white, haves and have nots and rich and rubes. Just because they take advantage of the freedom and incredible wealth of the greatest Country in the world it doesn't mean they can't hate it.

Nothing about hate.. this is a great country.

It used to be a better one. Like when I was growing up, and guys like my dad could bring home good wages because they had a solid union makign sure they got a fair deal.

 

[Dot Com]

Radical democrats still see the world in black and white, haves and have nots and rich and rubes. Just because they take advantage of the freedom and incredible wealth of the greatest Country in the world it doesn't mean they can't hate it.

Nothing about hate.. this is a great country.

It used to be a better one. Like when I was growing up, and guys like my dad could bring home good wages because they had a solid union makign sure they got a fair deal.

its like that one person said "this is not your father's repub party". Its the party of ultra wealthy, and the social cons & assorted rubes who have no one else AKA-white people to vote for . Saaad state of affairs

 

[buckeye45_73]

The thing I've noticed in my 12 step recovery from being a Republican is that the GOP, since 1980 at least, has divided itself into Rich Issues vs. Rube Issues.

And it's really easy to tell them apart.

A Rich Issue is one where only the 1% really benefits, the rest of us are left holding the bag, but the GOP will act on these things like they are top priorities and their mouthpieces on Hate Radio and Faux News will spend a lot of time convincing you that you have a stake at the table.

Examples- Tax Cuts for Rich People. Free Trade. Right to Work. At Will Employment.


A Rube issue is one that people get emotionally invested in, but the GOP isn't really the least bit interested in changing things on them. Instead, these are issues that are meant to keep you truly upset about something and voting against your own economic issues, and they are never mentioned again until the next election-

Examples - Abortion. Gay Marriage. Creationism. Prayer in Schools. The needle hasn't moved one inch on most of these issues, or if it has moved (as in the case of gay marriage) its been in the opposite of the desired direction.

There are some cavaets, of course. Guns might seem on the surface to be a "Rube" issue, but it's really a "rich" issue. It's about the gun companies being able to sell to someone like Nancy Lanza, and screw the consequences. There wouldn't be as big a market for the rich to make money off the guns if the rubes weren't kept really scared all the time, so you have to make it easy for crooks to get guns.

Immigration is another one. ON the surface, you keep the rubes angry about "those people" wanting to take their jobs, but the Rich are the ones offering the jobs to "those people". Not just the 20 or so illegals who are already here, but the 1.25 million "legal" immigrants who get entry visas from employers because they claim up and down they can't find a qualified American. No, really.

When I stopped being a Republican is when I realized I had nothing in common with the "rich" and refused to be a "Rube".

The GOP base is now the yahoo hayseeds, bible thumpers backward southern slow witted slackjawed uneducated yokels who support and defend the few rich at the top who are pulling their strings

You're still posting? LOLOLOLOLOLOL

 

[buckeye45_73]

Radical democrats still see the world in black and white, haves and have nots and rich and rubes. Just because they take advantage of the freedom and incredible wealth of the greatest Country in the world it doesn't mean they can't hate it.

Nothing about hate.. this is a great country.

It used to be a better one. Like when I was growing up, and guys like my dad could bring home good wages because they had a solid union makign sure they got a fair deal.

WAit??????????? you're a republican and from a union household? How did that happen?

 

[Dot Com]

The thing I've noticed in my 12 step recovery from being a Republican is that the GOP, since 1980 at least, has divided itself into Rich Issues vs. Rube Issues.

And it's really easy to tell them apart.

A Rich Issue is one where only the 1% really benefits, the rest of us are left holding the bag, but the GOP will act on these things like they are top priorities and their mouthpieces on Hate Radio and Faux News will spend a lot of time convincing you that you have a stake at the table.

Examples- Tax Cuts for Rich People. Free Trade. Right to Work. At Will Employment.


A Rube issue is one that people get emotionally invested in, but the GOP isn't really the least bit interested in changing things on them. Instead, these are issues that are meant to keep you truly upset about something and voting against your own economic issues, and they are never mentioned again until the next election-

Examples - Abortion. Gay Marriage. Creationism. Prayer in Schools. The needle hasn't moved one inch on most of these issues, or if it has moved (as in the case of gay marriage) its been in the opposite of the desired direction.

There are some cavaets, of course. Guns might seem on the surface to be a "Rube" issue, but it's really a "rich" issue. It's about the gun companies being able to sell to someone like Nancy Lanza, and screw the consequences. There wouldn't be as big a market for the rich to make money off the guns if the rubes weren't kept really scared all the time, so you have to make it easy for crooks to get guns.

Immigration is another one. ON the surface, you keep the rubes angry about "those people" wanting to take their jobs, but the Rich are the ones offering the jobs to "those people". Not just the 20 or so illegals who are already here, but the 1.25 million "legal" immigrants who get entry visas from employers because they claim up and down they can't find a qualified American. No, really.

When I stopped being a Republican is when I realized I had nothing in common with the "rich" and refused to be a "Rube".

The GOP base is now the yahoo hayseeds, bible thumpers backward southern slow witted slackjawed uneducated yokels who support and defend the few rich at the top who are pulling their strings

they're basically voting to have their wages remain stagnant. Suprisingly, most of the rubes have never read Ayn Rand so aren't aware that they're being snookered The only people who read Ayn Rand are college repub douches.

 

[Stephanie]

The thing I've noticed in my 12 step recovery from being a Republican is that the GOP, since 1980 at least, has divided itself into Rich Issues vs. Rube Issues.

And it's really easy to tell them apart.

A Rich Issue is one where only the 1% really benefits, the rest of us are left holding the bag, but the GOP will act on these things like they are top priorities and their mouthpieces on Hate Radio and Faux News will spend a lot of time convincing you that you have a stake at the table.

Examples- Tax Cuts for Rich People. Free Trade. Right to Work. At Will Employment.


A Rube issue is one that people get emotionally invested in, but the GOP isn't really the least bit interested in changing things on them. Instead, these are issues that are meant to keep you truly upset about something and voting against your own economic issues, and they are never mentioned again until the next election-

Examples - Abortion. Gay Marriage. Creationism. Prayer in Schools. The needle hasn't moved one inch on most of these issues, or if it has moved (as in the case of gay marriage) its been in the opposite of the desired direction.

There are some cavaets, of course. Guns might seem on the surface to be a "Rube" issue, but it's really a "rich" issue. It's about the gun companies being able to sell to someone like Nancy Lanza, and screw the consequences. There wouldn't be as big a market for the rich to make money off the guns if the rubes weren't kept really scared all the time, so you have to make it easy for crooks to get guns.

Immigration is another one. ON the surface, you keep the rubes angry about "those people" wanting to take their jobs, but the Rich are the ones offering the jobs to "those people". Not just the 20 or so illegals who are already here, but the 1.25 million "legal" immigrants who get entry visas from employers because they claim up and down they can't find a qualified American. No, really.

When I stopped being a Republican is when I realized I had nothing in common with the "rich" and refused to be a "Rube".

still bitter and whining about your life...
whoopee, you stopped being a Republican AND became a Socialist..how touching..

 

[Dot Com]

Look who's here everyone!!! Stephie!!!

 

[Mr Natural]

The thing I've noticed in my 12 step recovery from being a Republican is that the GOP, since 1980 at least, has divided itself into Rich Issues vs. Rube Issues.

And it's really easy to tell them apart.

A Rich Issue is one where only the 1% really benefits, the rest of us are left holding the bag, but the GOP will act on these things like they are top priorities and their mouthpieces on Hate Radio and Faux News will spend a lot of time convincing you that you have a stake at the table.

Examples- Tax Cuts for Rich People. Free Trade. Right to Work. At Will Employment.


A Rube issue is one that people get emotionally invested in, but the GOP isn't really the least bit interested in changing things on them. Instead, these are issues that are meant to keep you truly upset about something and voting against your own economic issues, and they are never mentioned again until the next election-

Examples - Abortion. Gay Marriage. Creationism. Prayer in Schools. The needle hasn't moved one inch on most of these issues, or if it has moved (as in the case of gay marriage) its been in the opposite of the desired direction.

There are some cavaets, of course. Guns might seem on the surface to be a "Rube" issue, but it's really a "rich" issue. It's about the gun companies being able to sell to someone like Nancy Lanza, and screw the consequences. There wouldn't be as big a market for the rich to make money off the guns if the rubes weren't kept really scared all the time, so you have to make it easy for crooks to get guns.

Immigration is another one. ON the surface, you keep the rubes angry about "those people" wanting to take their jobs, but the Rich are the ones offering the jobs to "those people". Not just the 20 or so illegals who are already here, but the 1.25 million "legal" immigrants who get entry visas from employers because they claim up and down they can't find a qualified American. No, really.

When I stopped being a Republican is when I realized I had nothing in common with the "rich" and refused to be a "Rube".

still bitter and whining about your life...
whoopee, you stopped being a Republican AND became a Socialist..how touching..

If you're not a republican, then you MUST be a socialist.

See how they think?

 

[asaratis]

Radical democrats still see the world in black and white, haves and have nots and rich and rubes. Just because they take advantage of the freedom and incredible wealth of the greatest Country in the world it doesn't mean they can't hate it.

Nothing about hate.. this is a great country.

It used to be a better one. Like when I was growing up, and guys like my dad could bring home good wages because they had a solid union makign sure they got a fair deal.

..and then the great union that sucked profits out of companies so the overpaid workers and union fat cats could retire with full pay sent jobs overseas where labor was plentiful. That's a real fair deal!

 

[Stephanie]

The thing I've noticed in my 12 step recovery from being a Republican is that the GOP, since 1980 at least, has divided itself into Rich Issues vs. Rube Issues.

And it's really easy to tell them apart.

A Rich Issue is one where only the 1% really benefits, the rest of us are left holding the bag, but the GOP will act on these things like they are top priorities and their mouthpieces on Hate Radio and Faux News will spend a lot of time convincing you that you have a stake at the table.

Examples- Tax Cuts for Rich People. Free Trade. Right to Work. At Will Employment.


A Rube issue is one that people get emotionally invested in, but the GOP isn't really the least bit interested in changing things on them. Instead, these are issues that are meant to keep you truly upset about something and voting against your own economic issues, and they are never mentioned again until the next election-

Examples - Abortion. Gay Marriage. Creationism. Prayer in Schools. The needle hasn't moved one inch on most of these issues, or if it has moved (as in the case of gay marriage) its been in the opposite of the desired direction.

There are some cavaets, of course. Guns might seem on the surface to be a "Rube" issue, but it's really a "rich" issue. It's about the gun companies being able to sell to someone like Nancy Lanza, and screw the consequences. There wouldn't be as big a market for the rich to make money off the guns if the rubes weren't kept really scared all the time, so you have to make it easy for crooks to get guns.

Immigration is another one. ON the surface, you keep the rubes angry about "those people" wanting to take their jobs, but the Rich are the ones offering the jobs to "those people". Not just the 20 or so illegals who are already here, but the 1.25 million "legal" immigrants who get entry visas from employers because they claim up and down they can't find a qualified American. No, really.

When I stopped being a Republican is when I realized I had nothing in common with the "rich" and refused to be a "Rube".

still bitter and whining about your life...
whoopee, you stopped being a Republican AND became a Socialist..how touching..

If you're not a republican, then you MUST be a socialist.

See how they think?

you people have to make up shit, don't you
and I was speaking DIRECTLY to Joey

 

[Erand7899]

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If you were properly educated, you would know that the UN Charter forbids one nation declaring war on another. .

No, actually, it doesn't, and I don't have time to correct all your ignorance. Life is too short.

Yes, actually it does. Chapter VII: Action With Respect To Threats, Breaches Of The Peace, And Acts Of Aggression.

Article 39: The Security Council shall determine the existance of any threat to the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression and shall make recommendations, or decide what measures shall be taken in accorance with Articles 41 and 42, to maintain or restore international peace and security.


Article 51: Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security.

Can you find any room in there for a declaration of war?

 

[editec]

This isn't your daddy's ruling class............

Who Rules America: An Investment Manager's View on the Top 1%

Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you for leading me to this:

Until recently, most studies just broke out the top 1% as a group.

Data on net worth distributions within the top 1% indicate that one enters the top 0.5% with about $1.8M, the top 0.25% with $3.1M, the top 0.10% with $5.5M and the top 0.01% with $24.4M.

Wealth distribution is highly skewed towards the top 0.01%, increasing the overall average for this group.

The net worth for those in the lower half of the top 1% is usually achieved after decades of education, hard work, saving and investing as a professional or small business person.

While an after-tax income of $175k to $250k and net worth in the $1.2M to $1.8M range may seem like a lot of money to most Americans, it doesn't really buy freedom from financial worry or access to the true corridors of power and money. That doesn't become frequent until we reach the top 0.1%.

THIS is the debate I most frequently have with my CLUELESS LIBERAL friends who bought into the 1% meme.

MOST of the 1% are highly skilled professionals that deserve every forking penny they make

They are not selfish, heartless or cruel. They are thoroughly DECENT American citizens.

They are the people who fix our teeth, doctor to our bodies; they run the local stores and pizza shops we need. They are the MOST TRULY PRODUTIVE SEGMENT OF SOCIETY.

Additionally, they, unlike the stupendously wealthy, GET SCREWED by the tax codes because they do NOT have tax laws written to benefit them PERSONALLY like so many corporations do.

 

[bripat9643]

Radical democrats still see the world in black and white, haves and have nots and rich and rubes. Just because they take advantage of the freedom and incredible wealth of the greatest Country in the world it doesn't mean they can't hate it.

Nothing about hate.. this is a great country.

It used to be a better one. Like when I was growing up, and guys like my dad could bring home good wages because they had a solid union makign sure they got a fair deal.

WAit??????????? you're a republican and from a union household? How did that happen?

Joe ain't no republican, and he's never been a Republican.