Republicans - Rich vs. Rubes

[TemplarKormac]

Three hours and no response from Joe. Must have sent him home for the evening.

 

[JoeB131]

Obama signed onto it, Congress did not approve the use of US military force there. He violated the War Powers Act, as well as the 10th Amendment. He also violated Article II Section 2: The President shall have Power, by and with Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur...

Guy, you are about sixty years too late on that argument. The Republicans tried to make this same argument during the Kosovo campaign in teh Clinton years, and the courts slapped them down, hard.

Quote the case law or it didn't happen. Campbell vs. Clinton doesn't count. The president should not rely on the UN to declare war. The Constitution makes it clear the he is not to declare war until he has full consent from the Senate.

Oooookay, if you want to tell yourself that.

We haven't declared a war since 1941.

Campbell vs. Clinton DOES count.

I also find it amusing that when Reagan was bombing Qadafi, often against the advice of our allies or asking Congress, folks on the right were all for it.

But the minute the Black Guy does it.

 

[JoeB131]

Hope their school lawyers up then, because that violates their First Amendment rights to practice their faith freely. Stupid liberal.

No, not really. Schools can send kids to detention for unruly behavior at their discretion.

How is praying unruly behavior Joe?

Well, I find it annoying. "Hey, little Funditard, we are doing math here. Your sky pixie isn't going to make you less stupid."

 

[JoeB131]

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Fact is that Your Romneycare and Obamacare are two different things. One was State and one is National. One never would have happened here the other was voted for only by bribing enough Democrats to get it to pass. Without reading it. You do understand that not one Republican voted for Obamacare.....Don't you?

People turned against Bush so bad that he did 2 terms... BTW, Obama is in his second term, time to kill the blame Bush game.... It's bad and only going to get worse....


Neither party in Washington will take the hard stance that we need to take.

1) State vs. National. Distinction without a difference.
2) Republicans were intentionally obstructionist, not that they actually had a point. Obama's mistake was not rolling over them instead of making every concession to try to get one or two moderates to sign on.
3) Most Americans realize Bush fucked this country for a generation. At least ones with brains. You're excused from that, I guess.

 

[JoeB131]

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The left wing "cure" for the "rich vs" rube" society is to keep whose arrogant "rubes" from ever becoming rich.

The RUbes are never going to be rich, anyway.

The reason they are "rubes" is because they vote against the things that made their lives reasonably comfortable. Things people faced down machine guns and armed guards to win on picket lines and at the ballot box.

 

[JoeB131]

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guess you never got the e-mail WE are NATO with a bunch of piss ass countrys backing us up.

Actually, in Libya, the French and the Brits did most of the heavy lifting...

 

[editec]

Reading these posts is like listening to slaves in the cotton fields debating which Slave driver is preferable.

Doesn't matter which one has the whip ya'll are still gonna pick cotton for the Massa.

 

[t_polkow]

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The left wing "cure" for the "rich vs" rube" society is to keep whose arrogant "rubes" from ever becoming rich.

The RUbes are never going to be rich, anyway.

The reason they are "rubes" is because they vote against the things that made their lives reasonably comfortable. Things people faced down machine guns and armed guards to win on picket lines and at the ballot box.

Yep they don't even know who the 40 hour work week came about, or pensions or vacation time off or sick days. The hayseeds vote for the interests of the people who control and lie to them , not in their self-interests. Not surprising though as their fungical religion teaches them to obey those in charge of them and they will get their reward after they die

 

[Wyatt earp]

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guess you never got the e-mail WE are NATO with a bunch of piss ass countrys backing us up.

Actually, in Libya, the French and the Brits did most of the heavy lifting...

No Great britian was so cheap they launched like two tomahawk missles for every 100 we would launch and they had to rent one of our Awacs to support their destroyer for cover.

 

[JoeB131]

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The left wing "cure" for the "rich vs" rube" society is to keep whose arrogant "rubes" from ever becoming rich.

The RUbes are never going to be rich, anyway.

The reason they are "rubes" is because they vote against the things that made their lives reasonably comfortable. Things people faced down machine guns and armed guards to win on picket lines and at the ballot box.

Yep they don't even know who the 40 hour work week came about, or pensions or vacation time off or sick days. The hayseeds vote for the interests of the people who control and lie to them , not in their self-interests. Not surprising though as their fungical religion teaches them to obey those in charge of them and they will get their reward after they die

Indeed.

What amazes me is all the self-proclaimed "entrepenuers" here who think it's just horrible that they have to pay their wage slaves for vacations, sick days, etc.

 

[SFC Ollie]

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Fact is that Your Romneycare and Obamacare are two different things. One was State and one is National. One never would have happened here the other was voted for only by bribing enough Democrats to get it to pass. Without reading it. You do understand that not one Republican voted for Obamacare.....Don't you?

People turned against Bush so bad that he did 2 terms... BTW, Obama is in his second term, time to kill the blame Bush game.... It's bad and only going to get worse....


Neither party in Washington will take the hard stance that we need to take.

1) State vs. National. Distinction without a difference.
2) Republicans were intentionally obstructionist, not that they actually had a point. Obama's mistake was not rolling over them instead of making every concession to try to get one or two moderates to sign on.
3) Most Americans realize Bush fucked this country for a generation. At least ones with brains. You're excused from that, I guess.

Does that hurt? You know, confusing your opinions with facts?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

The thing I've noticed in my 12 step recovery from being a Republican is that the GOP, since 1980 at least, has divided itself into Rich Issues vs. Rube Issues.

And it's really easy to tell them apart.

A Rich Issue is one where only the 1% really benefits, the rest of us are left holding the bag, but the GOP will act on these things like they are top priorities and their mouthpieces on Hate Radio and Faux News will spend a lot of time convincing you that you have a stake at the table.

Examples- Tax Cuts for Rich People. Free Trade. Right to Work. At Will Employment.


A Rube issue is one that people get emotionally invested in, but the GOP isn't really the least bit interested in changing things on them. Instead, these are issues that are meant to keep you truly upset about something and voting against your own economic issues, and they are never mentioned again until the next election-

Examples - Abortion. Gay Marriage. Creationism. Prayer in Schools. The needle hasn't moved one inch on most of these issues, or if it has moved (as in the case of gay marriage) its been in the opposite of the desired direction.

There are some cavaets, of course. Guns might seem on the surface to be a "Rube" issue, but it's really a "rich" issue. It's about the gun companies being able to sell to someone like Nancy Lanza, and screw the consequences. There wouldn't be as big a market for the rich to make money off the guns if the rubes weren't kept really scared all the time, so you have to make it easy for crooks to get guns.

Immigration is another one. ON the surface, you keep the rubes angry about "those people" wanting to take their jobs, but the Rich are the ones offering the jobs to "those people". Not just the 20 or so illegals who are already here, but the 1.25 million "legal" immigrants who get entry visas from employers because they claim up and down they can't find a qualified American. No, really.

When I stopped being a Republican is when I realized I had nothing in common with the "rich" and refused to be a "Rube".

Wow, so you're actually regressing...

 

[TemplarKormac]

Guy, you are about sixty years too late on that argument. The Republicans tried to make this same argument during the Kosovo campaign in teh Clinton years, and the courts slapped them down, hard.

Quote the case law or it didn't happen. Campbell vs. Clinton doesn't count. The president should not rely on the UN to declare war. The Constitution makes it clear the he is not to declare war until he has full consent from the Senate.

Oooookay, if you want to tell yourself that.

We haven't declared a war since 1941.

Campbell vs. Clinton DOES count.

I also find it amusing that when Reagan was bombing Qadafi, often against the advice of our allies or asking Congress, folks on the right were all for it.

But the minute the Black Guy does it.

"The darkies put him in office" you said. Yes yes of course. The black guy does it.

Declared war on Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Bosnia and Kosovo, Iran and Afghanistan, Libya, Sudan, Yemen.. just to name a few.

 

[TemplarKormac]

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guess you never got the e-mail WE are NATO with a bunch of piss ass countrys backing us up.

Actually, in Libya, the French and the Brits did most of the heavy lifting...

Then what was our Navy doing? Sure, heavy lifting may ass.

 

[TemplarKormac]

No, not really. Schools can send kids to detention for unruly behavior at their discretion.

How is praying unruly behavior Joe?

Well, I find it annoying. "Hey, little Funditard, we are doing math here. Your sky pixie isn't going to make you less stupid."

Keep it up. You will get your butt sued into another dimension with your atheist rhetoric one day. You won't win. In fact I hope you do say that to some kid in school, maybe we will all see it on the news.

You find it annoying. That isn't an answer Joe. You are such a dick.

 

[JoeB131]

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Fact is that Your Romneycare and Obamacare are two different things. One was State and one is National. One never would have happened here the other was voted for only by bribing enough Democrats to get it to pass. Without reading it. You do understand that not one Republican voted for Obamacare.....Don't you?

People turned against Bush so bad that he did 2 terms... BTW, Obama is in his second term, time to kill the blame Bush game.... It's bad and only going to get worse....


Neither party in Washington will take the hard stance that we need to take.

1) State vs. National. Distinction without a difference.
2) Republicans were intentionally obstructionist, not that they actually had a point. Obama's mistake was not rolling over them instead of making every concession to try to get one or two moderates to sign on.
3) Most Americans realize Bush fucked this country for a generation. At least ones with brains. You're excused from that, I guess.

Does that hurt? You know, confusing your opinions with facts?

Does it hurt that the country doesn't share your insane hate?

 

[JoeB131]

Quote the case law or it didn't happen. Campbell vs. Clinton doesn't count. The president should not rely on the UN to declare war. The Constitution makes it clear the he is not to declare war until he has full consent from the Senate.

Oooookay, if you want to tell yourself that.

We haven't declared a war since 1941.

Campbell vs. Clinton DOES count.

I also find it amusing that when Reagan was bombing Qadafi, often against the advice of our allies or asking Congress, folks on the right were all for it.

But the minute the Black Guy does it.

"The darkies put him in office" you said. Yes yes of course. The black guy does it.

Declared war on Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Bosnia and Kosovo, Iran and Afghanistan, Libya, Sudan, Yemen.. just to name a few.

no, we didn't declare war on ANY of those places. That's the point.

The problem with you guys is 90% of what drives you nuts about Obama is that he's black.

 

[rdean]

The thing I've noticed in my 12 step recovery from being a Republican is that the GOP, since 1980 at least, has divided itself into Rich Issues vs. Rube Issues.

And it's really easy to tell them apart.

A Rich Issue is one where only the 1% really benefits, the rest of us are left holding the bag, but the GOP will act on these things like they are top priorities and their mouthpieces on Hate Radio and Faux News will spend a lot of time convincing you that you have a stake at the table.

Examples- Tax Cuts for Rich People. Free Trade. Right to Work. At Will Employment.


A Rube issue is one that people get emotionally invested in, but the GOP isn't really the least bit interested in changing things on them. Instead, these are issues that are meant to keep you truly upset about something and voting against your own economic issues, and they are never mentioned again until the next election-

Examples - Abortion. Gay Marriage. Creationism. Prayer in Schools. The needle hasn't moved one inch on most of these issues, or if it has moved (as in the case of gay marriage) its been in the opposite of the desired direction.

There are some cavaets, of course. Guns might seem on the surface to be a "Rube" issue, but it's really a "rich" issue. It's about the gun companies being able to sell to someone like Nancy Lanza, and screw the consequences. There wouldn't be as big a market for the rich to make money off the guns if the rubes weren't kept really scared all the time, so you have to make it easy for crooks to get guns.

Immigration is another one. ON the surface, you keep the rubes angry about "those people" wanting to take their jobs, but the Rich are the ones offering the jobs to "those people". Not just the 20 or so illegals who are already here, but the 1.25 million "legal" immigrants who get entry visas from employers because they claim up and down they can't find a qualified American. No, really.

When I stopped being a Republican is when I realized I had nothing in common with the "rich" and refused to be a "Rube".

How long before this is moved to the badlands or the rubber room? Republicans hate their motives being questioned. They feel they are being unfairly attacked.

 

[SFC Ollie]

1) State vs. National. Distinction without a difference.



3) Most Americans realize Bush fucked this country for a generation. At least ones with brains. You're excused from that, I guess.

Does that hurt? You know, confusing your opinions with facts?

Does it hurt that the country doesn't share your insane hate?

Hate? I don't hate anyone.....I hate mustard, does that count?

1) State vs. National. Distinction without a difference. Major difference........

2) Republicans were intentionally obstructionist, not that they actually had a point. Obama's mistake was not rolling over them instead of making every concession to try to get one or two moderates to sign on. Fact is that the Democrats had to make backdoor and closed door bribes to their own Party members to get the votes they wanted

3) Most Americans realize Bush fucked this country for a generation. At least ones with brains. You're excused from that, I guess. And just how is that? Spending? Obama has passed his ass up and has 3+years to go....And at least I have the Brains to admit that Bush screwed up by his occupation and spending. You refuse the truth about your hero.

 

[LogikAndReazon]

This coming from dimwitted, cerebrally challenged occutards is quite amusing.............

Its really godless homosexual blue state stoners and welfare queens that can move the country "forward"........