Republicans taking Blame for Shutdown - Polls

[pillar_01]

The republicans wouldn't even negotiate on the budget for the past few months.

 

[RKMBrown]

If it wasn't standard operating procedure for Republicans, maybe the public would believe them

If you don't concede to our demands, we will shut down Government

Once Government is shut down, it is YOUR fault because you didn't concede to our demands

It takes two to tango, and it takes two sides to have a negotiating impass. Even dumbass liberal/socialists should know little things like that.

Since neither side would compromise, the government shut down. Now, the intelligent question is which side had the more reasonable position, not who can we place the blame on.

Do you believe that congress and the administration should be exempt from Obamacare? I don't.

Do you believe that there should be a medical device tax that jacks up the price of all medical devices? I don't.

Do you believe that Obamacare is ready for prime time? I don't. The bureaucracy hasn't even written all the regulations yet, and they have had three years to do so.

Republicans have not provided a single, specific, objective, rational reason to delay ACA. Not one. Neither have you. Their, and your, demands have been treated with exactly as much respect as they deserve.

Why did Obama provide exemptions and delay ACA for selected groups? Did he provide a single, specific, objective, rational reason to pick and choose who to delay ACA for? Just one?

If he did, then well take that reason and please apply it to everyone else not just the groups he selected. If he didn't then you are a hypocrite. Your choice.

 

[PMZ]

It takes two to tango, and it takes two sides to have a negotiating impass. Even dumbass liberal/socialists should know little things like that.

Since neither side would compromise, the government shut down. Now, the intelligent question is which side had the more reasonable position, not who can we place the blame on.

Do you believe that congress and the administration should be exempt from Obamacare? I don't.

Do you believe that there should be a medical device tax that jacks up the price of all medical devices? I don't.

Do you believe that Obamacare is ready for prime time? I don't. The bureaucracy hasn't even written all the regulations yet, and they have had three years to do so.

Republicans have not provided a single, specific, objective, rational reason to delay ACA. Not one. Neither have you. Their, and your, demands have been treated with exactly as much respect as they deserve.

Why did Obama provide exemptions and delay ACA for selected groups? Did he provide a single, specific, objective, rational reason to pick and choose who to delay ACA for? Just one?

If he did, then well take that reason and please apply it to everyone else not just the groups he selected. If he didn't then you are a hypocrite. Your choice.

You believe that all situations and groups are just alike???

It's classic conspiracy theory to suspect nefariousness in all situations rather than think them through. There must be a conspiracy here somewhere because I want one.

What you want is immaterial to what is.

 

[PMZ]

Tax rates on capital gains are flat. Flat taxes favor no one.

Income tax rates are extremely progressive, AMT for example screws over the upper middle class. Progressive tax systems favor the low income earner at the expense of high income earner.

For example, if you and I both do the same job and both earn 50 bucks an hour and you work 10hours a week while I work 80hours a week, I get punished for working more hours than you and the government will go to extreme measures to give you a big chunk of my income in compensation for you working less hours.

Let's go over that again.

I work creating wealth and make say $100k per year. You don't work at all. You turn the wealth that your family gave you over to a financial manager who makes you $100k per year betting on which stock prices, driven by my work output, escalate more rapidly. You pay half the taxes that I do. Your contribution to the American economy is zero.

Tell us again why that kind of wealth redistribution is good for the middle class who support the wealthy?

>>> Your contribution to the American economy is zero.
That would depend on where my money went. For example, if my money (about a million dollars assuming 10% return) went to buy stocks your company sold, my money went to your paycheck. Without my money you would have been out of work and earned nothing.

Additionally, if you are truly earning six figures you should also have a nice nest egg that is earning money for you. Thus, you should be the evil sob that has 100k payroll income and 100k capital gains income. Thus, you should be the poor sob that has to pay both income taxes the first time you earn your money and then capital gains taxes (double taxation) on interest you earn with the already taxed money.

FYI that evil middle man pays income tax on the money he earns buying and selling YOUR savings.

PS: Those assets you inherited, are yours not the government's. I know this is a hard concept for democrats but you don't own people or their assets.

Tell us again why giving you our assets is good for us?

''American economy is zero.
That would depend on where my money went. For example, if my money (about a million dollars assuming 10% return) went to buy stocks your company sold, my money went to your paycheck. Without my money you would have been out of work and earned nothing.''

When people buy stocks they buy them from the previous owner. None of what you spend on stocks goes to fund the underlying corporation's operations.

'' Thus, you should be the poor sob that has to pay both income taxes the first time you earn your money and then capital gains taxes (double taxation) on interest you earn with the already taxed money. ''

Capital gains are only the new money earned by the money that you invested after paying taxes on it. The idea of double taxation is a conservative media myth.

''PS: Those assets you inherited, are yours not the government's. I know this is a hard concept for democrats but you don't own people or their assets.''

Liberals believe that monetary wealth should be earned from work that creates inherent wealth.

It sounds like you're a believer in inherited royalty.

No wonder conservatives want to go back to the founding of America including slavery so that other people do the work.

 

[PMZ]

ok... Then why didn't the democrats do that while they held control of the house, senate, and the white house? I'm gonna guess you don't have capital assets.

Because Republicans held them hostage by promising to end unemployment benefits for the people that they, in fact, had unemployed under Bush, unless Democrats extended the Bush wealth redistribution tax cuts.

End unemployment benefits? Are you retarded or just pretending?

No, I have a memory. Apparently you don't.

 

[RKMBrown]

Republicans have not provided a single, specific, objective, rational reason to delay ACA. Not one. Neither have you. Their, and your, demands have been treated with exactly as much respect as they deserve.

Why did Obama provide exemptions and delay ACA for selected groups? Did he provide a single, specific, objective, rational reason to pick and choose who to delay ACA for? Just one?

If he did, then well take that reason and please apply it to everyone else not just the groups he selected. If he didn't then you are a hypocrite. Your choice.

You believe that all situations and groups are just alike???

It's classic conspiracy theory to suspect nefariousness in all situations rather than think them through. There must be a conspiracy here somewhere because I want one.

What you want is immaterial to what is.

Where did I say all situations and groups are just alike? Are you incapable of applying?

 

[PMZ]

Why did Obama provide exemptions and delay ACA for selected groups? Did he provide a single, specific, objective, rational reason to pick and choose who to delay ACA for? Just one?

If he did, then well take that reason and please apply it to everyone else not just the groups he selected. If he didn't then you are a hypocrite. Your choice.

You believe that all situations and groups are just alike???

It's classic conspiracy theory to suspect nefariousness in all situations rather than think them through. There must be a conspiracy here somewhere because I want one.

What you want is immaterial to what is.

Where did I say all situations and groups are just alike? Are you incapable of applying?

You said if delayed implementation is granted to one group, it should be granted to all groups, no matter their situation.

 

[RKMBrown]

Because Republicans held them hostage by promising to end unemployment benefits for the people that they, in fact, had unemployed under Bush, unless Democrats extended the Bush wealth redistribution tax cuts.

End unemployment benefits? Are you retarded or just pretending?

No, I have a memory. Apparently you don't.

Link? Would love to see a cite where republicans promised to end unemployment benefits.

 

[RKMBrown]

You believe that all situations and groups are just alike???

It's classic conspiracy theory to suspect nefariousness in all situations rather than think them through. There must be a conspiracy here somewhere because I want one.

What you want is immaterial to what is.

Where did I say all situations and groups are just alike? Are you incapable of applying?

You said if delayed implementation is granted to one group, it should be granted to all groups, no matter their situation.

That's a lie.

 

[RKMBrown]

When people buy stocks they buy them from the previous owner. None of what you spend on stocks goes to fund the underlying corporation's operations.

Capital gains are only the new money earned by the money that you invested after paying taxes on it. The idea of double taxation is a conservative media myth.

Liberals believe that monetary wealth should be earned from work that creates inherent wealth.

It sounds like you're a believer in inherited royalty.

No wonder conservatives want to go back to the founding of America including slavery so that other people do the work.

>> When people buy stocks they buy them from the previous owner. None of what you spend on stocks goes to fund the underlying corporation's operations.

Wrong. Outstanding shares of company stocks fluctuate. They offer new shares all the time. Try again.

>> Capital gains are only the new money earned by the money that you invested after paying taxes on it. The idea of double taxation is a conservative media myth.

New money? ROFL Wrong. You are paying taxes on the return on investment for money that you already paid taxes on. Double taxation. Return on investment is not evil you twerp.

>> Liberals believe that monetary wealth should be earned from work that creates inherent wealth.

I see so building a company with assets does not create wealth. ROFL Assets reduce wealth. ROFL you guys are just retarded face it.

>> It sounds like you're a believer in inherited royalty.

ROFL assets are not royalty. Do you parents have a 401k? Are they "royalty?" Do they have a house? Does that make them "royalty?" If I give my assets to my children that makes them "royalty?" ROFL

>> No wonder conservatives want to go back to the founding of America including slavery so that other people do the work.

The only one making slaves of people are the democrats by taking peoples income against their will. Funny how things never change with you slavers.

 

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[The T]

It takes two to tango, and it takes two sides to have a negotiating impass. Even dumbass liberal/socialists should know little things like that.

Since neither side would compromise, the government shut down. Now, the intelligent question is which side had the more reasonable position, not who can we place the blame on.

Do you believe that congress and the administration should be exempt from Obamacare? I don't.

Do you believe that there should be a medical device tax that jacks up the price of all medical devices? I don't.

Do you believe that Obamacare is ready for prime time? I don't. The bureaucracy hasn't even written all the regulations yet, and they have had three years to do so.

Republicans have not provided a single, specific, objective, rational reason to delay ACA. Not one. Neither have you. Their, and your, demands have been treated with exactly as much respect as they deserve.

Why did Obama provide exemptions and delay ACA for selected groups? Did he provide a single, specific, objective, rational reason to pick and choose who to delay ACA for? Just one?

If he did, then well take that reason and please apply it to everyone else not just the groups he selected. If he didn't then you are a hypocrite. Your choice.

And he did it without the consent of the legislature, which is bad enough (AND unconstitutional), but what really tears me is that NONE in the Congress will call hm on all the unlawful acts he's committing.

 

[Redfish]

Republicans have not provided a single, specific, objective, rational reason to delay ACA. Not one. Neither have you. Their, and your, demands have been treated with exactly as much respect as they deserve.

Why did Obama provide exemptions and delay ACA for selected groups? Did he provide a single, specific, objective, rational reason to pick and choose who to delay ACA for? Just one?

If he did, then well take that reason and please apply it to everyone else not just the groups he selected. If he didn't then you are a hypocrite. Your choice.

And he did it without the consent of the legislature, which is bad enough (AND unconstitutional), but what really tears me is that NONE in the Congress will call hm on all the unlawful acts he's committing.

Me too. why have no lawsuits been filed against him for violating his own law? WTF has happened to this country?

 

[regent]

Complex laws emanating from a democratic legislatures are prone to need tuning over the years, and so it will probably be with Obama-care. Social Security was passed in 1935 and is still being changed. There will be many opportunities to correct errors and to add other programs with the passage of time. If and when Republicans return to power they can even extend and improve Obama-care coverage.
The real problem for Republicans is the same as for Social Security, it will be a success and future Tea-baggers will hold up signs, "Keep government out of my Obama-care."

 

[RKMBrown]

Republicans have not provided a single, specific, objective, rational reason to delay ACA. Not one. Neither have you. Their, and your, demands have been treated with exactly as much respect as they deserve.

Why did Obama provide exemptions and delay ACA for selected groups? Did he provide a single, specific, objective, rational reason to pick and choose who to delay ACA for? Just one?

If he did, then well take that reason and please apply it to everyone else not just the groups he selected. If he didn't then you are a hypocrite. Your choice.

And he did it without the consent of the legislature, which is bad enough (AND unconstitutional), but what really tears me is that NONE in the Congress will call hm on all the unlawful acts he's committing.

Ayup, the Emperor has no clothes.

 

[The T]

Why did Obama provide exemptions and delay ACA for selected groups? Did he provide a single, specific, objective, rational reason to pick and choose who to delay ACA for? Just one?

If he did, then well take that reason and please apply it to everyone else not just the groups he selected. If he didn't then you are a hypocrite. Your choice.

And he did it without the consent of the legislature, which is bad enough (AND unconstitutional), but what really tears me is that NONE in the Congress will call hm on all the unlawful acts he's committing.

Ayup, the Emperor has no clothes.

AND he's a CRIMINAL.

 

[PMZ]

When people buy stocks they buy them from the previous owner. None of what you spend on stocks goes to fund the underlying corporation's operations.

Capital gains are only the new money earned by the money that you invested after paying taxes on it. The idea of double taxation is a conservative media myth.

Liberals believe that monetary wealth should be earned from work that creates inherent wealth.

It sounds like you're a believer in inherited royalty.

No wonder conservatives want to go back to the founding of America including slavery so that other people do the work.

>> When people buy stocks they buy them from the previous owner. None of what you spend on stocks goes to fund the underlying corporation's operations.

Wrong. Outstanding shares of company stocks fluctuate. They offer new shares all the time. Try again.

>> Capital gains are only the new money earned by the money that you invested after paying taxes on it. The idea of double taxation is a conservative media myth.

New money? ROFL Wrong. You are paying taxes on the return on investment for money that you already paid taxes on. Double taxation. Return on investment is not evil you twerp.

>> Liberals believe that monetary wealth should be earned from work that creates inherent wealth.

I see so building a company with assets does not create wealth. ROFL Assets reduce wealth. ROFL you guys are just retarded face it.

>> It sounds like you're a believer in inherited royalty.

ROFL assets are not royalty. Do you parents have a 401k? Are they "royalty?" Do they have a house? Does that make them "royalty?" If I give my assets to my children that makes them "royalty?" ROFL

>> No wonder conservatives want to go back to the founding of America including slavery so that other people do the work.

The only one making slaves of people are the democrats by taking peoples income against their will. Funny how things never change with you slavers.

What you have done is clarify the reasons why you have learned so little through life.

''Wrong. Outstanding shares of company stocks fluctuate. They offer new shares all the time. Try again.''

Right. New stock issues are a tiny percentage of trades.

'' You are paying taxes on the return on investment for money that you already paid taxes on. Double taxation.''

You pay income taxes on what you get paid for working. You pay capital gains taxes on what you make investing.

No dollar is taxed in both ways.

'' I see so building a company with assets does not create wealth.''

How much wealth does an empty factory produce?

''assets are not royalty''

People who don't have to work because of who their parents are, are royalty.

''taking peoples income against their will.''

You don't have to pay US taxes for all of the government services that you take advantage of. Just stop using the services by moving.

An uneducated mind is the worst kind of waste.

 

[The T]

When people buy stocks they buy them from the previous owner. None of what you spend on stocks goes to fund the underlying corporation's operations.

Capital gains are only the new money earned by the money that you invested after paying taxes on it. The idea of double taxation is a conservative media myth.

Liberals believe that monetary wealth should be earned from work that creates inherent wealth.

It sounds like you're a believer in inherited royalty.

No wonder conservatives want to go back to the founding of America including slavery so that other people do the work.

>> When people buy stocks they buy them from the previous owner. None of what you spend on stocks goes to fund the underlying corporation's operations.

Wrong. Outstanding shares of company stocks fluctuate. They offer new shares all the time. Try again.

>> Capital gains are only the new money earned by the money that you invested after paying taxes on it. The idea of double taxation is a conservative media myth.

New money? ROFL Wrong. You are paying taxes on the return on investment for money that you already paid taxes on. Double taxation. Return on investment is not evil you twerp.

>> Liberals believe that monetary wealth should be earned from work that creates inherent wealth.

I see so building a company with assets does not create wealth. ROFL Assets reduce wealth. ROFL you guys are just retarded face it.

>> It sounds like you're a believer in inherited royalty.

ROFL assets are not royalty. Do you parents have a 401k? Are they "royalty?" Do they have a house? Does that make them "royalty?" If I give my assets to my children that makes them "royalty?" ROFL

>> No wonder conservatives want to go back to the founding of America including slavery so that other people do the work.

The only one making slaves of people are the democrats by taking peoples income against their will. Funny how things never change with you slavers.

What you have done is clarify the reasons why you have learned so little through life.

''Wrong. Outstanding shares of company stocks fluctuate. They offer new shares all the time. Try again.''

Right. New stock issues are a tiny percentage of trades.

'' You are paying taxes on the return on investment for money that you already paid taxes on. Double taxation.''

You pay income taxes on what you get paid for working. You pay capital gains taxes on what you make investing.

No dollar is taxed in both ways.

'' I see so building a company with assets does not create wealth.''

How much wealth does an empty factory produce?

''assets are not royalty''

People who don't have to work because of who their parents are are royalty.

''taking peoples income against their will.''

You don't have to pay US taxes for all of the government services that you take advantage of. Just stop using the services by moving.

WTF is THIS supposed to mean?

 

[PMZ]

Republicans have not provided a single, specific, objective, rational reason to delay ACA. Not one. Neither have you. Their, and your, demands have been treated with exactly as much respect as they deserve.

Why did Obama provide exemptions and delay ACA for selected groups? Did he provide a single, specific, objective, rational reason to pick and choose who to delay ACA for? Just one?

If he did, then well take that reason and please apply it to everyone else not just the groups he selected. If he didn't then you are a hypocrite. Your choice.

And he did it without the consent of the legislature, which is bad enough (AND unconstitutional), but what really tears me is that NONE in the Congress will call hm on all the unlawful acts he's committing.

That alone, should tell you that your opinions are wrong. The Constitution doesn't mention you in its specification of the responsibility to interpret it. There's a reason for that.

 

[PMZ]

>> When people buy stocks they buy them from the previous owner. None of what you spend on stocks goes to fund the underlying corporation's operations.

Wrong. Outstanding shares of company stocks fluctuate. They offer new shares all the time. Try again.

>> Capital gains are only the new money earned by the money that you invested after paying taxes on it. The idea of double taxation is a conservative media myth.

New money? ROFL Wrong. You are paying taxes on the return on investment for money that you already paid taxes on. Double taxation. Return on investment is not evil you twerp.

>> Liberals believe that monetary wealth should be earned from work that creates inherent wealth.

I see so building a company with assets does not create wealth. ROFL Assets reduce wealth. ROFL you guys are just retarded face it.

>> It sounds like you're a believer in inherited royalty.

ROFL assets are not royalty. Do you parents have a 401k? Are they "royalty?" Do they have a house? Does that make them "royalty?" If I give my assets to my children that makes them "royalty?" ROFL

>> No wonder conservatives want to go back to the founding of America including slavery so that other people do the work.

The only one making slaves of people are the democrats by taking peoples income against their will. Funny how things never change with you slavers.

What you have done is clarify the reasons why you have learned so little through life.

''Wrong. Outstanding shares of company stocks fluctuate. They offer new shares all the time. Try again.''

Right. New stock issues are a tiny percentage of trades.

'' You are paying taxes on the return on investment for money that you already paid taxes on. Double taxation.''

You pay income taxes on what you get paid for working. You pay capital gains taxes on what you make investing.

No dollar is taxed in both ways.

'' I see so building a company with assets does not create wealth.''

How much wealth does an empty factory produce?

''assets are not royalty''

People who don't have to work because of who their parents are are royalty.

''taking peoples income against their will.''

You don't have to pay US taxes for all of the government services that you take advantage of. Just stop using the services by moving.

WTF is THIS supposed to mean?

Seems awfully clear to me.