Republicans taking Blame for Shutdown - Polls

[The T]

What you have done is clarify the reasons why you have learned so little through life.

''Wrong. Outstanding shares of company stocks fluctuate. They offer new shares all the time. Try again.''

Right. New stock issues are a tiny percentage of trades.

'' You are paying taxes on the return on investment for money that you already paid taxes on. Double taxation.''

You pay income taxes on what you get paid for working. You pay capital gains taxes on what you make investing.

No dollar is taxed in both ways.

'' I see so building a company with assets does not create wealth.''

How much wealth does an empty factory produce?

''assets are not royalty''

People who don't have to work because of who their parents are are royalty.

''taking peoples income against their will.''

You don't have to pay US taxes for all of the government services that you take advantage of. Just stop using the services by moving.

WTF is THIS supposed to mean?

Seems awfully clear to me.

ONLY to you.

 

[Antares]

We'll risk it.

 

[RKMBrown]

>> When people buy stocks they buy them from the previous owner. None of what you spend on stocks goes to fund the underlying corporation's operations.

Wrong. Outstanding shares of company stocks fluctuate. They offer new shares all the time. Try again.

>> Capital gains are only the new money earned by the money that you invested after paying taxes on it. The idea of double taxation is a conservative media myth.

New money? ROFL Wrong. You are paying taxes on the return on investment for money that you already paid taxes on. Double taxation. Return on investment is not evil you twerp.

>> Liberals believe that monetary wealth should be earned from work that creates inherent wealth.

I see so building a company with assets does not create wealth. ROFL Assets reduce wealth. ROFL you guys are just retarded face it.

>> It sounds like you're a believer in inherited royalty.

ROFL assets are not royalty. Do you parents have a 401k? Are they "royalty?" Do they have a house? Does that make them "royalty?" If I give my assets to my children that makes them "royalty?" ROFL

>> No wonder conservatives want to go back to the founding of America including slavery so that other people do the work.

The only one making slaves of people are the democrats by taking peoples income against their will. Funny how things never change with you slavers.

What you have done is clarify the reasons why you have learned so little through life.

''Wrong. Outstanding shares of company stocks fluctuate. They offer new shares all the time. Try again.''

Right. New stock issues are a tiny percentage of trades.

'' You are paying taxes on the return on investment for money that you already paid taxes on. Double taxation.''

You pay income taxes on what you get paid for working. You pay capital gains taxes on what you make investing.

No dollar is taxed in both ways.

'' I see so building a company with assets does not create wealth.''

How much wealth does an empty factory produce?

''assets are not royalty''

People who don't have to work because of who their parents are are royalty.

''taking peoples income against their will.''

You don't have to pay US taxes for all of the government services that you take advantage of. Just stop using the services by moving.

WTF is THIS supposed to mean?

It means if you don't like being a slave to stupid libtards like PMZ, PMZ wants you to leave the country. IOW pay him all of your salary and like it, or leave.

 

[PMZ]

WTF is THIS supposed to mean?

Seems awfully clear to me.

ONLY to you.

It would appear to be unclear only to you.

 

[RKMBrown]

An uneducated mind is the worst kind of waste.

And you are the best example I've ever seen. Your are a moron of Epic proportions. But you already know that don't you.

 

[PMZ]

What you have done is clarify the reasons why you have learned so little through life.

''Wrong. Outstanding shares of company stocks fluctuate. They offer new shares all the time. Try again.''

Right. New stock issues are a tiny percentage of trades.

'' You are paying taxes on the return on investment for money that you already paid taxes on. Double taxation.''

You pay income taxes on what you get paid for working. You pay capital gains taxes on what you make investing.

No dollar is taxed in both ways.

'' I see so building a company with assets does not create wealth.''

How much wealth does an empty factory produce?

''assets are not royalty''

People who don't have to work because of who their parents are are royalty.

''taking peoples income against their will.''

You don't have to pay US taxes for all of the government services that you take advantage of. Just stop using the services by moving.

WTF is THIS supposed to mean?

It means if you don't like being a slave to stupid libtards like PMZ, PMZ wants you to leave the country. IOW pay him all of your salary and like it, or leave.

Why would people who don't want to pay for US government services not leave the country and move to a country that only supplies the services that they're willing to pay for?

 

[BDBoop]

I thought this was a very well put together analogy of the situation Republicans are in.

Obsessive-disruptive disorder. Imagine that your company made a big policy change three years ago that you really hated. Now imagine that, instead of getting with the program and joining the team, you spent the past three years complaining about the new policy, seeking ways to obstruct it, and telling everybody you bumped into that the new policy was certain to doom the company. And you did all this while refusing to do whatever work the company hired you to do in the first place. By now, you’d either be the CEO, having deposed prior management in a dramatic boardroom coup, or you’d be out of a job and unemployable, since nobody wants to hire somebody with a reputation as a megalomaniacal troublemaker.
House Republicans are the megalomaniacal troublemakers of the U.S. Congress, clinging to the notion that they'll be able to gut President Obama’s signature health reform law, the Affordable Care Act, if they just concentrate hard enough on that and nothing else. The law has been in place since 2010, and the Supreme Court validated it in 2012. Yet there seems to be no statute of limitations on legislative tantrums thrown in protest.

4 Things Congress Can Get Away With but You Can't | The Exchange - Yahoo Finance

Brilliant. Excellent share.

 

[RKMBrown]

Why would people who don't want to pay for US government services not leave the country and move to a country that only supplies the services that they're willing to pay for?

I don't have a problem with government services. I have a problem with socialist re-distribution my income that rewards sloth and turns Americans into mental midgets such as yourself.

Leave. Nah, I'll stay and fight.

 

[PMZ]

Why would people who don't want to pay for US government services not leave the country and move to a country that only supplies the services that they're willing to pay for?

I don't have a problem with government services. I have a problem with socialist re-distribution my income that rewards sloth and turns Americans into mental midgets such as yourself.

Leave. Nah, I'll stay and fight.

If you're an example of the level of education and intelligence that represents America, I think that I'll leave.

 

[PMZ]

An uneducated mind is the worst kind of waste.

And you are the best example I've ever seen. Your are a moron of Epic proportions. But you already know that don't you.

Is this the best that you can do?

Really?

 

[PMZ]

Uncle Ferd, possum an' Granny all fer the shutdown...

... dey says fire alla politicians...

... dey's the ones dat got us in dis mess anywho.

Actually it was Republican propaganda from Fox News that got us into this mess. No propaganda, no Congressional conservatives, no shutdown of Congress.

 

[RKMBrown]

Why would people who don't want to pay for US government services not leave the country and move to a country that only supplies the services that they're willing to pay for?

I don't have a problem with government services. I have a problem with socialist re-distribution my income that rewards sloth and turns Americans into mental midgets such as yourself.

Leave. Nah, I'll stay and fight.

If you're an example of the level of education and intelligence that represents America, I think that I'll leave.

Bye!!! Whoot... one less socialist leech.

 

[thanatos144]

Republican are getting the blame yet Harry Reid would rather kids with cancer die then compromise.... You progressives are evil.

 

[Snookie]

>> When people buy stocks they buy them from the previous owner. None of what you spend on stocks goes to fund the underlying corporation's operations.

Wrong. Outstanding shares of company stocks fluctuate. They offer new shares all the time. Try again.

>> Capital gains are only the new money earned by the money that you invested after paying taxes on it. The idea of double taxation is a conservative media myth.

New money? ROFL Wrong. You are paying taxes on the return on investment for money that you already paid taxes on. Double taxation. Return on investment is not evil you twerp.

>> Liberals believe that monetary wealth should be earned from work that creates inherent wealth.

I see so building a company with assets does not create wealth. ROFL Assets reduce wealth. ROFL you guys are just retarded face it.

>> It sounds like you're a believer in inherited royalty.

ROFL assets are not royalty. Do you parents have a 401k? Are they "royalty?" Do they have a house? Does that make them "royalty?" If I give my assets to my children that makes them "royalty?" ROFL

>> No wonder conservatives want to go back to the founding of America including slavery so that other people do the work.

The only one making slaves of people are the democrats by taking peoples income against their will. Funny how things never change with you slavers.

What you have done is clarify the reasons why you have learned so little through life.

''Wrong. Outstanding shares of company stocks fluctuate. They offer new shares all the time. Try again.''

Right. New stock issues are a tiny percentage of trades.

'' You are paying taxes on the return on investment for money that you already paid taxes on. Double taxation.''

You pay income taxes on what you get paid for working. You pay capital gains taxes on what you make investing.

No dollar is taxed in both ways.

'' I see so building a company with assets does not create wealth.''

How much wealth does an empty factory produce?

''assets are not royalty''

People who don't have to work because of who their parents are are royalty.

''taking peoples income against their will.''

You don't have to pay US taxes for all of the government services that you take advantage of. Just stop using the services by moving.

WTF is THIS supposed to mean?

If you don't like it, get the fuck out of Dodge.

 

[PMZ]

Dana Milbank: Democrats right not to compromise

Dana Milbank

October 3, 2013

On Day One of the government shutdown, House Chaplain Patrick Conroy opened the chamber’s session with a plea for compassion.

“This is a painful day for many across our land,” the Jesuit priest said. “May those who possess power here in the Capitol be mindful of those they represent who possess little or no power and whose lives are made even more difficult by a failure to work out serious differences.”

“Amen!” Rep. Janice Hahn, a California Democrat, shouted from the front row.

But Conroy’s prayer was not to be answered Tuesday, as lawmakers on both sides of the Capitol did little other than trade blame and invective. Mindfulness was not in evidence.

Even as he prayed on the House floor, the priest was interrupted by a musical cellphone ring from the pocket of Rep. Frank Wolf, R-Va. Already, Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., had injected racially charged imagery into the standoff, telling a far-right website that “President Obama can’t wait to get Americans addicted to the crack cocaine of dependency on more government health care.”

On the Senate floor, Minority Leader Mitch McConnell scornfully said Democrats would blame the shutdown on “the mean ol’ Republicans or the tea party or Fox News or maybe even George W. Bush.”

Majority Leader Harry Reid replied: “My friend, the Republican leader, spoke as if George Orwell wrote his speech.”

But God works in mysterious ways. For, in the stalemate that froze the Capitol on Tuesday, there were also the makings of a hopeful dynamic.

Republicans devoted much of the day to protesting that Democrats “won’t even sit down and have a discussion” (House Speaker John Boehner) and “literally just voted against working out a compromise” (McConnell). They were absolutely right: Democrats weren’t making the slightest effort to compromise. And if Democrats continue not to budge, everybody – even conservative Republicans – will someday be grateful.

Democrats did offer to keep the government running for the next six weeks at current spending levels, which is a minor concession. But their refusal to consider any deal with Republicans that involves weakening Obamacare is good news, because doing so would make the already intolerable situation in Washington worse.

Compromise is usually a happy notion, but in this instance it would invite more chaos. If Democrats agree to weaken health care reform, they will have proved that all it takes to change an existing law is for a minority of lawmakers in one chamber to threaten a rebellion against their own party’s leadership.

Under that standard, a small band of future Democrats could shut down the government if a future Republican president didn’t agree to, say, strict gun controls, abortion on demand, a carbon tax, a higher minimum wage, expanded Social Security and Medicare benefits, or open borders. If Republicans succeed in rolling back Obamacare, they will undoubtedly turn to other items they have already demanded as their price for keeping the government running: restrictions on birth-control access, narrower Medicare eligibility, obstacles to malpractice lawsuits, lighter environmental regulations and more oil drilling.

Had this been the standard before, Democrats might have shut down the government to try to force George W. Bush to end the Iraq War, or to make Ronald Reagan end his arms race with the Soviets.

Maybe that can provide some consolation to Republicans, who are slowly edging toward the realization that they are not going to win this fight. Rep. Charlie Dent of Pennsylvania, one of the few moderates in the Republican caucus, said it was a matter of time before his colleagues accepted the Democrats’ offer to keep the government open at current levels.

“We’re going to get there,” Dent told reporters Tuesday. “More members are arriving at that position. … There are plenty of us prepared to vote for it.”

But first, his Republican colleagues will have to exhaust their complaints about Democrats’ refusal to negotiate.

In a House GOP strategy session Tuesday, lawmakers continued to grasp for a winning message; they proposed a few symbolic pieces of legislation to keep the Department of Veterans Affairs, the national parks and the District of Columbia running (all three later died on the House floor). But as they emerged, the message was unchanged: Democrats won’t compromise.

“Our goal is to get the Senate to engage,” Rep. Jack Kingston of Georgia said.

Protested Rep. Louie Gohmert of Texas: “They won’t even have a negotiation.”

Nor should they. In this case, compromise will hurt everybody – even, eventually, the Republicans.

 

[clevergirl]

I thought this was a very well put together analogy of the situation Republicans are in.

Obsessive-disruptive disorder. Imagine that your company made a big policy change three years ago that you really hated. Now imagine that, instead of getting with the program and joining the team, you spent the past three years complaining about the new policy, seeking ways to obstruct it, and telling everybody you bumped into that the new policy was certain to doom the company. And you did all this while refusing to do whatever work the company hired you to do in the first place. By now, you’d either be the CEO, having deposed prior management in a dramatic boardroom coup, or you’d be out of a job and unemployable, since nobody wants to hire somebody with a reputation as a megalomaniacal troublemaker.
House Republicans are the megalomaniacal troublemakers of the U.S. Congress, clinging to the notion that they'll be able to gut President Obama’s signature health reform law, the Affordable Care Act, if they just concentrate hard enough on that and nothing else. The law has been in place since 2010, and the Supreme Court validated it in 2012. Yet there seems to be no statute of limitations on legislative tantrums thrown in protest.

4 Things Congress Can Get Away With but You Can't | The Exchange - Yahoo Finance

Brilliant. Excellent share.

"Prohibition" was the "law of the land" at one time too...how about slavery?

If it's the "law of the land", and a good law, why is Obama providing waivers for himself; his staff; members of congress- their staff and families, as well as 1200 cronies?

Indeed those who forced this bill on us should be subject to it themselves...no? Read Federalist Papers #57- please note the last sentence (5) at the end.

Federalist No. 57 is an essay by James Madison, the fifty-seventh of the Federalist Papers. It was published on February 19, 1788 under the pseudonym Publius, the name under which all the Federalist Papers were published. It is titled, "The Alleged Tendency of the New Plan to Elevate the Few at the Expense of the Many."

Madison advocates the election of "men who possess most wisdom to discern, and ... pursue, the common good of the society."

According to the essay, the representatives will be true to their constituents for the following reasons: 1) the people chose these distinguished men to uphold their engagements, so the representatives have an obligation to stand by their words. 2) The representatives sense a mark of honor and gratitude feel at least the tiniest affection to these constituents. 3) Selfish motives of the human nature bind the representative to his constituents because the delegates hope to seek advancement from his followers rather than the government. 4) Also, frequent elections remind the representatives that they are dependent on the constituents for their loyalty and support. Therefore, the representatives are compelled to remain faithful to their constituents.

5.) The laws created by the legislators will apply to all members of society, including the legislators themselves.

 

[BDBoop]

Republican are getting the blame yet Harry Reid would rather kids with cancer die then compromise.... You progressives are evil.

Five days in a row now, Republican Party is the top trending Google News topic. Apparently, nobody buys your lies.

 

[Snookie]

We should not pay for a Chaplin during this shutdown.

 

[RKMBrown]

PMZ your last post... tldr

 

[PMZ]

Liberals should be doing everything that they can to encourage the current conservative Republican tantrum.

It is very effectively leading the mainstream GOP to solving the problem that they created for themselves. Tyranny within their party.

I have been of the opinion for quite awhile that there was just no leadership left in the GOP competent enough to break the eggs to make the omelet. Perhaps that is still true but it's now come to a survival issue. Dump the conservative cult or lose everything.

I think that most democrats understand that our two party system is a necessary ingredient in our democracy. But it has to be two functional parties.

There is only one way for America to force the GOP to deal with the destructive forces in their midst.

Behave as they are and watch the electorate pass out their just desserts. Dump them.

Clean out Congress and return it to governance. The legitimate Party will reemerge without their conservative burden over time. And America will reemerge as well. Reborn.