Republicans taking Blame for Shutdown - Polls

[Geaux4it]

The moochers who are not as fortunate as you, oh fortunute one.

They are unworthy of life.
The world will be better off if they don't have health care and die which will leave more for special people like yourself.

God bless you.

Lying piece of shit schnook. Medicaid is for people who are less fortunate. Obuma Care is for moochers like you.

You have proven yourself to be a stupid putz. I am on medicare, fool.

Look, nothing should ever be handed out in this country. If someone wants what I have they need to outwork me. If so, that's fine. I just have a hard time funding lazy freeloaders who aren't willing to put in a hard days work

Losers

-Geaux

 

[Snookie]

Lying piece of shit schnook. Medicaid is for people who are less fortunate. Obuma Care is for moochers like you.

You have proven yourself to be a stupid putz. I am on medicare, fool.

What sort of POS would deny medicaid for the less fortunate? WTF is wrong with you?

You don't understand the word "like?" Do I need to show you to a dictionary again?

You won't be using obuma care to fund your gap?

I don't care.

I will gladly share with my brothers and sisters created by the Creator,

 

[Geaux4it]

You have proven yourself to be a stupid putz. I am on medicare, fool.

What sort of POS would deny medicaid for the less fortunate? WTF is wrong with you?

You don't understand the word "like?" Do I need to show you to a dictionary again?

You won't be using obuma care to fund your gap?

I don't care.

I will gladly share with my brothers and sisters created by the Creator,

Yeah, define share?

-Geaux

 

[BDBoop]

Shutdown Backfires: New Poll Shows Democrats Opening Big Midterm Lead 43-34

Quinnipiac cautioned that we are far out from the midterms, but that the GOP brand is taking a beating, “In general, the Republican brand is down as evidenced by the Democrats’ unusually large lead in the so called generic ballot. But we have 13 months before an election can translate this public opinion edge into electoral gains and in politics that amount of time is forever.”

Caveat: The beltway also bought into the Republican narrative of who was going to turn out to vote in 2012, and that is why no one objected to the obviously skewed polls. The conventional wisdom was that Obama voters had soured on him and wouldn’t turn out. But of course, the real “Obama voters” turned out in droves, and even stood in line for hours and faced numerous obstacles in order to cast their ballots.

“On almost all questions, voters see President Obama as more reasonable, and better able to handle the issues,” Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute, explained. “But it is not because the president is beloved. He remains under water in job approval and is tied with Congressional Republicans on who best handles the budget deficit. Voters are angry at almost everyone in Washington over their inability to keep the trains running, but they are madder at the Republicans than the Democrats.”

In the end, when Republicans refuse to govern, their actions bring everyone’s approval ratings down. They count on this consistent result of dysfunction. However, in this shutdown, Republicans are too clearly leading the suicide bus over the cliff and they’re doing it over an issue that baffles most Americans. Even if people disagree with ObamaCare, they don’t want Republicans to shut the government down over it.

 

[Jaded vet]

Isn't Black Jimmy Obama the "leader" of the nation? He sure as shit is, and the fucking Libberhoids continue to suck his ass and blame Republicans....

Take some responsibility for once, assholes.

Hey Dickwad, when are you assholes going to take responsibility for anything?
You tools won't even take responsibility for your own candidates failure.
"YOU GET NOTHING, YOU LOSE, GOOD DAY SIR!"

 

[Nyvin]

I hope you are right because obamacare will be the death of the democrat party. When the unions turn on you, its over.

The unions accepted Obama's decision on the subsides. They didn't turn on him.

 

[waltky]

Uncle Ferd, possum an' Granny all fer the shutdown...

... dey says fire alla politicians...

... dey's the ones dat got us in dis mess anywho.

 

[Plasmaball]

of course if the dems had been doing their duty and in years 1 and 2, doing a budget then going to conference on the budget bills the house sent them there after they lost the house, we would not be here at the 11th hour and in a slow down.....

5 years, no budget, yup, its all the gops fault

ah this game. Of course anyone with a clue knows this has been nothing but political checkers. The house won't vote on anything the senate comes up with and the Senate won't vote on anything the house comes up with. So you have deadlock and this is what happens.

And thus you have political retards blaming each other when nobody really has been doing anything to fix this.

So while you people whine about who is to blame, the regular folks are being hurt by this shitfest in washington.

 

[auditor0007]

The GOP has been trying two things..

Lay the blame on Obama. Lay the blame on Cruz.

Neither is working.

I think you will find they are working better than expected SFBs! Also, liberal poll sources are usually manipulated.

The blame WOULD be primarily caused by Obama and Reid! Citizens are realizing that more than they did in the past.

Liberal poll sources are usually manipulated??? LMAO!!! Remember the 2012 presidential election??? You either have a very short memory about who manipulates what or you are just a dunce.

 

[Faun]

Less than 24 hours into this mess, the GOP is running out of options....

Republicans Have Moved On To 'Plan E' In The Government Shutdown Fight

 

[JimB37]

The Republican's stance through this is like having a property-line dispute with their neighbor, and the local court has already ruled in the neighbors favor, and then the Republicans come back a year later and says they’ll settle for half the disputed property and if the neighbor doesn’t agree, they’ll kill his dog.

You got one part right. Obama Care is a dog that needs to be put to sleep.

If Obamacare is so bad, then why don't Republicans just say so and let it go, instead of continuing their futile and foolish efforts of trying to repeal it? Then, if it falls flat on its face, they can all campaign on having opposed it and predicting its failure. Sounds like a great election ploy to me.

On the other hand, maybe they want to repeal it because they are afraid it will turn out to be wildly popular, in which case they will be standing around with egg on their faces and poop in their pants, and an uphill battle for re-election.

 

[Snookie]

The Republican's stance through this is like having a property-line dispute with their neighbor, and the local court has already ruled in the neighbors favor, and then the Republicans come back a year later and says they’ll settle for half the disputed property and if the neighbor doesn’t agree, they’ll kill his dog.

You got one part right. Obama Care is a dog that needs to be put to sleep.

If Obamacare is so bad, then why don't Republicans just say so and let it go, instead of continuing their futile and foolish efforts of trying to repeal it? Then, if it falls flat on its face, they can all campaign on having opposed it and predicting its failure. Sounds like a great election ploy to me.

On the other hand, maybe they want to repeal it because they are afraid it will turn out to be wildly popular, in which case they will be standing around with egg on their faces and poop in their pants, and an uphill battle for re-election.

true. Many of the intelligent members have said that,

 

[PMZ]

Republicans know that improving our old worst in the world non system was easy because we had demonstrated success with Medicare. They just neglected to do it because non governments don't solve problems, they ignore them.

The only way to remove the millstone of failure from their necks is to make the democrats fail. Which turned out to be another Republican failure.

 

[MeBelle]

Ron sez:
I don't think so. The truth is republicans were allowed to submit amendents to the ACA. When you are being told they were shut out they are lying to you. Of the 788 amendments filed, 67 came from Democrats and 721 from Republicans. Only 197 amendments were passed in the end—36 from Democrats and 161 from Republicans. And of those 161 GOP amendments, Senate Republicans classify 29 as substantive and 132 as technical. BOTTOM LINE: REPUBLICANS HAD A SAY IN THE WRITING OF THE ACA AND THEY ARE LYING WHEN THEY SAY THAT THEY WERE SHUT OUT. Now, who are the "lying scumbags" again?
(The information I posted was from Slate.)
Slate examines the GOP amendments to a Senate health care bill.

That's a very interesting article!

Disclaimer: This is an incomplete list. Of the 788 amendments filed, only 437 appear here. And of the 161 GOP amendments passed or accepted, we have confirmed only 80 as such. We hope to update the document as more information becomes available.

" Another amendment, proposed by Coburn, "[d]efines [the] average work week as 40 hours.

^^^really big change there^^^​

The article also states, clearly, that this effort came out of committee.

No matter that it passed the panel on a strictly party-line vote, with all 13 Democrats voting for and all 10 Republicans voting against.

~~~~~~~


At a Wednesday news conference, Senator Judd Gregg of New Hampshire lamented that many Republican proposals on how to reform the health care system were not inserted into the bill. “It’s just regrettable we were not allowed to be at the table when this bill was drafted, so that we could’ve gotten those ideas into the bill,” Mr. Gregg said.



http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/...nyway-for-the-amendments/?pagemode=print&_r=0

So, yeah, Republicans may have had a 'say' in the bill that come out of committee, but obviously their 'say' didn't translate into the final bill.

 

[PMZ]

Ron sez:
I don't think so. The truth is republicans were allowed to submit amendents to the ACA. When you are being told they were shut out they are lying to you. Of the 788 amendments filed, 67 came from Democrats and 721 from Republicans. Only 197 amendments were passed in the end—36 from Democrats and 161 from Republicans. And of those 161 GOP amendments, Senate Republicans classify 29 as substantive and 132 as technical. BOTTOM LINE: REPUBLICANS HAD A SAY IN THE WRITING OF THE ACA AND THEY ARE LYING WHEN THEY SAY THAT THEY WERE SHUT OUT. Now, who are the "lying scumbags" again?
(The information I posted was from Slate.)
Slate examines the GOP amendments to a Senate health care bill.

That's a very interesting article!

Disclaimer: This is an incomplete list. Of the 788 amendments filed, only 437 appear here. And of the 161 GOP amendments passed or accepted, we have confirmed only 80 as such. We hope to update the document as more information becomes available.

" Another amendment, proposed by Coburn, "[d]efines [the] average work week as 40 hours.

^^^really big change there^^^​

The article also states, clearly, that this effort came out of committee.

No matter that it passed the panel on a strictly party-line vote, with all 13 Democrats voting for and all 10 Republicans voting against.

~~~~~~~


At a Wednesday news conference, Senator Judd Gregg of New Hampshire lamented that many Republican proposals on how to reform the health care system were not inserted into the bill. “It’s just regrettable we were not allowed to be at the table when this bill was drafted, so that we could’ve gotten those ideas into the bill,” Mr. Gregg said.



http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/...nyway-for-the-amendments/?pagemode=print&_r=0

So, yeah, Republicans may have had a 'say' in the bill that come out of committee, but obviously their 'say' didn't translate into the final bill.

The Republican 's have been dedicated to only one thing. The failure of ACA. They failed at that too despite an unbelievable number of attempts.

 

[PMZ]

It would be unconscionable for the American democracy to avoid punishing Republicans for the current display of party over country.

 

[RKMBrown]

The Republican's stance through this is like having a property-line dispute with their neighbor, and the local court has already ruled in the neighbors favor, and then the Republicans come back a year later and says they’ll settle for half the disputed property and if the neighbor doesn’t agree, they’ll kill his dog.

You got one part right. Obama Care is a dog that needs to be put to sleep.

If Obamacare is so bad, then why don't Republicans just say so and let it go, instead of continuing their futile and foolish efforts of trying to repeal it? Then, if it falls flat on its face, they can all campaign on having opposed it and predicting its failure. Sounds like a great election ploy to me.

On the other hand, maybe they want to repeal it because they are afraid it will turn out to be wildly popular, in which case they will be standing around with egg on their faces and poop in their pants, and an uphill battle for re-election.

Because socialism is good for the pieces of shit that sit on their asses their whole lives at the expense of the workers. Obama care is discounted insurance for democrats funded by republicans. I can see how that would win over all the scum bag crooks the democrats have been romancing.

Medicaid health care wasn't enough. Oh no now we have health care redistributions at the expense of health care money from middle class tax payers.

This is gonna be full on class warfare as these penalties and doubled prices hit.

Gonna make Greece look like a picnic.

 

[WelfareQueen]

The Republican's stance through this is like having a property-line dispute with their neighbor, and the local court has already ruled in the neighbors favor, and then the Republicans come back a year later and says they’ll settle for half the disputed property and if the neighbor doesn’t agree, they’ll kill his dog.

You got one part right. Obama Care is a dog that needs to be put to sleep.

If Obamacare is so bad, then why don't Republicans just say so and let it go, instead of continuing their futile and foolish efforts of trying to repeal it? Then, if it falls flat on its face, they can all campaign on having opposed it and predicting its failure. Sounds like a great election ploy to me.

On the other hand, maybe they want to repeal it because they are afraid it will turn out to be wildly popular, in which case they will be standing around with egg on their faces and poop in their pants, and an uphill battle for re-election.

Or maybe option C. The Democrats could compromise? Obama has already (illegally) delayed part of the bill and handed out a million waivers. Why not delay the individual mandate a year and give we the people a break?

 

[RKMBrown]

You got one part right. Obama Care is a dog that needs to be put to sleep.

If Obamacare is so bad, then why don't Republicans just say so and let it go, instead of continuing their futile and foolish efforts of trying to repeal it? Then, if it falls flat on its face, they can all campaign on having opposed it and predicting its failure. Sounds like a great election ploy to me.

On the other hand, maybe they want to repeal it because they are afraid it will turn out to be wildly popular, in which case they will be standing around with egg on their faces and poop in their pants, and an uphill battle for re-election.

Or maybe option C. The Democrats could compromise? Obama has already (illegally) delayed part of the bill and handed out a million waivers. Why not delay the individual mandate a year and give we the people a break?

Obama already gave individuals he cares about exemptions. Union members, dem funders, and everyone under 90k is exempted right? Everyone else is probably not gonna vote for this socialist crap care anyway.

This class warfare is the new America he promised. He's having the time of his life burning our country to the ground.

 

[PMZ]

You got one part right. Obama Care is a dog that needs to be put to sleep.

If Obamacare is so bad, then why don't Republicans just say so and let it go, instead of continuing their futile and foolish efforts of trying to repeal it? Then, if it falls flat on its face, they can all campaign on having opposed it and predicting its failure. Sounds like a great election ploy to me.

On the other hand, maybe they want to repeal it because they are afraid it will turn out to be wildly popular, in which case they will be standing around with egg on their faces and poop in their pants, and an uphill battle for re-election.

Because socialism is good for the pieces of shit that sit on their asses their whole lives at the expense of the workers. Obama care is discounted insurance for democrats funded by republicans. I can see how that would win over all the scum bag crooks the democrats have been romancing.

Medicaid health care wasn't enough. Oh no now we have health care redistributions at the expense of health care money from middle class tax payers.

This is gonna be full on class warfare as these penalties and doubled prices hit.

Gonna make Greece look like a picnic.

A classic example of Fox bred Republican propaganda.

As Republicans need people to think, this assumes that there was something desirable about our old non system. I can't find it except in their propaganda. It was bad in every way. And getting worse as businesses decided that healthy workers were no longer desirable, they could be replaced like machine parts.

I've been harvesting my contributions to Medicare for quite a few years now, along with many friends, and I hear almost no complaints about it. It is a success.

The goal of ACA is holding everyone accountable for the cost of their own health care. Period.

The real aversion the GOP has to that reality is that it brings into the spotlight how many workers are not paid a living wage that would allow them to exist and stay healthy. I personally think that we should be shining the brightest possible light on bad businesses. Another accountability resisted by conservatives.


''Because socialism is good for the pieces of shit that sit on their asses their whole lives at the expense of the workers.''

There is no socialism in the ACA but that boogeyman keeps emerging from the conservative closet which is traditional and classic propaganda.

As far as ''pieces of shit that sit on their asses their whole lives at the expense of the workers'' are concerned, I agree that we need business leaders to return to classic liberal business management. Management focused on their one responsibility, growth, instead of laying people off and turning wealth producing worker output into wealth reducing executive bonus overhead.