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From the get go jroc is revising history. The GOP was formed to not end slavery but ensure that slavery did not impair economic opportunity for the white man. Jroc may be making the classic error of mistaking anti-slavery opposition for abolition: two different beasts.
If your party stopped targeting black voters to keep them from voting then you might have a better chance at convincing them you think they are important
If you're party stoppped pushing the killing of Black babies, We'd have plenty more African Americans to vote
Planned Parenthood is the largest abortion provider in America. 78% of their clinics are in minority communities. Blacks make up 12% of the population, but 35% of the abortions in America. Are we being targeted? Isn't that genocide? We are the only minority in America that is on the decline in population. If the current trend continues, by 2038 the black vote will be insignificant. Did you know that the founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, was a devout racist who created the Negro Project designed to sterilize unknowing black women and others she deemed as undesirables of society? The founder of Planned Parenthood said, "Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated." Is her vision being fulfilled today?
BlackGenocide.org | Abortion and the Black Community
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:Interesting that you used quotes from Lincoln as example while I used actual political policies (which you ignored BTW). Actions speak louder than words. I think your problem here is that you're attempting to compare conservative ideology today (which is not a constant) with political ideology of the 1860s, it's apples to oranges. It's apparent you suffer from an overly simplified, 2-dimensional, linear view of politics.
"base my sense of the certain overthrow of slavery, in part, upon the nature of the American Government, the Constitution, the tendencies of the age, and the character of the American people…. I know of no soil better adapted to the growth of reform than American soil. I know of no country where the conditions for affecting great changes in the settled order of things, for the development of right ideas of liberty and humanity, are more favorable than here in these United States…. The Constitution, as well as the Declaration of Independence, and the sentiments of the founders of the Republic, give us a plat-form broad enough, and strong enough, to support the most comprehensive plans for the freedom and elevation of all the people of this country, without regard to color, class, or clime"
A new condition has brought new duties. A character which might pass without censure as a slave cannot so pass as a freeman. We must not beg men to do for us what we ought to do for ourselves. The prostrate form, the uncovered head, the cringing attitude, the bated breath, the suppliant, outstretched hand of beggary does not become an American freeman, and does not become us as a class, and we will not consent to be any longer represented in that position. No people can make desirable progress or have permanent welfare outside of their own independent and earnest efforts…. We utterly repudiate all invidious distinctions, whether in our favor or against us, and ask only for a fair field and no favor
If you're party stoppped pushing the killing of Black babies, We'd have plenty more African Americans to vote
Planned Parenthood is the largest abortion provider in America. 78% of their clinics are in minority communities. Blacks make up 12% of the population, but 35% of the abortions in America. Are we being targeted? Isn't that genocide? We are the only minority in America that is on the decline in population. If the current trend continues, by 2038 the black vote will be insignificant. Did you know that the founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, was a devout racist who created the Negro Project designed to sterilize unknowing black women and others she deemed as undesirables of society? The founder of Planned Parenthood said, "Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated." Is her vision being fulfilled today?
BlackGenocide.org | Abortion and the Black Community
1) learn what genocide is
2)
What a joke you think we should abort babies because of the risk that some day they'd turn out to be criminals?...
My position is that there is no legal right to an abortion in the Constitution.
States should be able to pass their own laws in regards to abortion
, The federal government should not be using tax payer money to fund pro abortion groups like Planned Parenthood who profit off of these abortions
I know about it. It's an ad home that does nothing to demonstrate why abortions should be criminalized..If you've read the entire thread you'd know the racist history of Planned Parenthood its founding
and the fact that African Americans have four times the abortion of whites
:Interesting that you used quotes from Lincoln as example while I used actual political policies (which you ignored BTW). Actions speak louder than words. I think your problem here is that you're attempting to compare conservative ideology today (which is not a constant) with political ideology of the 1860s, it's apples to oranges. It's apparent you suffer from an overly simplified, 2-dimensional, linear view of politics.
Conservative ideology is always constant. What is that constant? Individual liberty.. the whole premise of the founding. Individual liberty is the opposite of slavery. The liberal ideology is big government, which leads to tyrannical government, which leads to slavery.
Conservative ideology is always constant.
What is that constant? Individual liberty.. the whole premise of the founding. Individual liberty is the opposite of slavery. The liberal ideology is big government, which leads to tyrannical government, which leads to slavery.
The Great Frederick Douglass.. Former Slave, Abolitionist, Conservative (Constitutionalist) Republican
I don't see how giving people the opportunity to own a piece of land if they settled it, worked it, and made it their own, to which the purpose was to expand the country into unsettled areas would be considered liberal. I think a more liberal view would be to have everyone as a group working the land and then distribute it equally among them no matter how much each individual person contributed to that goal.
Wow. It's obvious you're confusing the Homestead Act with what I mentioned... the "free land" legislation that the first Republicans proposed is legislation where the government could CONFISCATE farm land from a major business and disperse it to smaller independent farmers in the area in order to diffuse a monopoly.
So no, you are entirely wrong and obviously confused about your American history.
Every view you just stated is almost identical to the Pro-Slavery argument and talking points of the time.Very basic stuff? What does the conservative movement stand for? Smaller government and individual liberties, which is the opposite of slavery. Of course Lincoln had to do a lot of things in order to save the union at the time, but the core premise of conservatism is FREEDOM from a tyrannical government. and thats very basic stuff.
Especially these:
"FREEDOM from a tyrannical government"
"Smaller government and individual liberties"
To them the government was an imposing tyrannical force imposing on their personal "liberty" to do business and keep slaves. Keep in mind, in the South's view at the time, slaves were not viewed as "people" who could have "liberties". The Republicans on the other hand sought to expand government, centralize power and regulate a massive business and trade while taking power from the states and giving it to the federal government. It isn't a huge secret that the first Republicans were progressive abolitionists up against conservatives.
Come on kid, if you're going to attempt to comment on the subject of political policy in the 1860s at least READ about it first.
I saw your name and avatar and hope you understand that Rousseau is wildy considered by socialist and communist as an inspiration for their philosophy. Karl Marx certainly thought so. So as far as the definition of modern day conservative you could say that the name and avar is a fail. Depending on who you talk to. Though the founders certainly read his work, Cicero and Locke were larger influences.
Nope, go back to square one, you need to retake American Government and U.S. History. This is an idiotic statement that I would expect from an ignorant high school student, not someone who claims to be conservative or interested the least bit in politics. You fail American politics.
There is paleoconservatism, social conservatism, neoconservatism, fiscal conservatism.... and... I know this next one is going to confuse the shit out of you given your very basic, childlike view of politics... classical liberalism.
"Modern American conservatism was largely born out of alliance between classical liberals and social conservatives in the late 19th and early 20th centuries."
"Prior to the formation of the conservative coalition, which helped realign the Democratic and Republican party ideologies in the mid-1960s, the Republican party historically advocated classical liberalism and progressivism."
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What is that constant? Individual liberty.. the whole premise of the founding. Individual liberty is the opposite of slavery. The liberal ideology is big government, which leads to tyrannical government, which leads to slavery.
The last sentence was just plain idiotic. I'm beginning to wonder why you're even on this message board when it's obvious you don't know anything about the very political ideology you think you identify with.
The Great Frederick Douglass.. Former Slave, Abolitionist, Conservative (Constitutionalist) Republican
You're making me cringe here... mostly because it's obvious you don't understand what you're saying, and I'm almost embarrassed for you. Frederick Douglass has never, EVER, been referred to as a Conservative... or a Constitutionalist... YOU just gave him that label. And I think it's not because you mean to mislabel him, but because you have no idea what you are talking about.
For the record 'Liberalism' =/= 'liberalism'
The former is an ideology- or spectrum of related ideologies. The latter is basically an adjective that's more accurate used as a suffix- such as 'fiscal liberalism' or 'social liberalism'. To say one is liberal is not the same as saying one is a Liberal.
It's really not as difficult as some of you make it out to be.
From the get go jroc is revising history. The GOP was formed to not end slavery but ensure that slavery did not impair economic opportunity for the white man. Jroc may be making the classic error of mistaking anti-slavery opposition for abolition: two different beasts.
Republican Party National Platform, 1860
Conservative ideology is always constant. What is that constant? Individual liberty.. the whole premise of the founding. Individual liberty is the opposite of slavery. The liberal ideology is big government, which leads to tyrannical government, which leads to slavery.
wait...is pubes back, or is this a different idiot?