Restaurateur Defied Maine Gov To Open His Business, State Agents Are Moving To Shut Him Down

[Care4all]

Since when did governors become the final arbiter of who is allowed to open and who gets prosecuted for not obeying their god like orders?

Exactly. Why are these new laws being allowed simply by a decree from a governor? Where are the state houses at? Why aren’t restrictions being voted on by the people? Well, we all know the answer to that, Dems could care less about the will of the people or the rights of the people. This is their chance to usurp all power, and they are taking it.

Gawd ALMIGHTY....
The Republican Governors in states affected took the same State of Emergency measures and power given to them under health state of emergencies as the Democratic states.

 

[Care4all]

No one is quarantined.....

Utter bull crud.

Stay at home, stay safe orders let's you go to the grocery stores, Wal-Mart, the dollar store, the Pharmacy, McDonald's, KFC, the Home Depot, Lowe's, etc etc etc..


Walk in a park, take your daily runs with distancing.... travel to another state by car, and planes.....

There is no LOCKDOWN or QUARANTINE..... Where in the heck do you get that from, drama queens?

 

[Care4all]

Since when did governors become the final arbiter of who is allowed to open and who gets prosecuted for not obeying their god like orders?

Business licenses.

Yep....... of course the response to them pulling the licenses is going back to the old speakeasy model.

The vast majority of States have drive-up beer and liquor at restaurants. But you're gong to have to wait for a rub-and-tug.

The majority of businesses are still closed by illegal governor decree.
Lawyers, real estate, hair dressers, clothing stores, etc., are all closed by edict.
That is way beyond the legal authority of any governor.
Governors only have the power to make law by executive order if the legislature can't convene.

-I have an Attorney. We talk, not closed.
-Walmart sell clothes, they are open. Target sells clothes, they are open.
It is legal in all 50 States for Governors to make emergency orders. Courts have already sustained challenges.

The stay at home order specifically prohibits lawyers from opening.
If you talked on the phone or by email, that does not count because the lawyer can not represent you in court, which is all a lawyer is good for.

Walmart sells clothes by got to remain open due to selling food.
That is the whole point, that clothing stores are being unfairly closed when Walmart is allowed to sell clothes.

Target here is not open, but on line orders can be picked up only.
And that is part of the problem also, in that small stores are not allowed to be open even for on line order pickup. That is totally unfair, and clearly reflects massive bribes, since only very large stores are being allowed to open.

It is perfectly legal for governors to act to protect rights in emergencies, but not when the death rate is only 0.019%, the legislature is in session, and the orders would greatly violate individual rights, like the right to make a living in order to be able to buy food, pay the mortgage, and survive.

90% of all lawyers have never stepped foot in a Courtroom for a trial, their entire careers....

 

[Care4all]

Natural herd immunity kills double to triple the amount of people vs herd immunity obtained thru vaccination.

It's why we have flu shots, vs letting everyone naturally obtaining it thru the natural process of survival of the fittest, only.

 

[lennypartiv]

The sad fact is that herd immunity just isn't a solution to our pandemic woes. Yes, it may eventually happen anyway, but hoping that it will save us all is just not realistic. The time to discuss herd immunity is when we have a vaccine developed, and not one second earlier, because at that point we will be able to really stop the epidemic in its tracks.

Until we have a vaccine, anyone talking about herd immunity as a preventative strategy for COVID-19 is simply wrong. Fortunately, there are other ways of preventing infections from spreading, which all boil down to avoiding people who are sick."

We don't have time to wait for a vaccine or a cure. Reopen the economy now. Of course the blue state governors will want the economy to tank to help their fellow Democrats in November.

 

[OnePercenter]

He is a traitor to his community, country and human civilisation itself.

Throw him in prison.

Pretty much every bad thing that happens in life is made worse by people who think like you.

COVID 19 ain't the disease that should keep folks up nights, people like you are.


Go take a nap on some train tracks why don't you?

Why don't you put your money where your mouth is and pay a visit to relative of someone that has died due to COVID-19.

Every time you Karens start invoking the families of the dead it sounds like the whining and sniveling of petulant children, pissed at not getting their way, lol.


Pathetic.

What is a "Karen?"

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Breaking News; A skidmark supporter hates women.

 

[bendog]

Taze him. LOL

 

[OnePercenter]

Since when did governors become the final arbiter of who is allowed to open and who gets prosecuted for not obeying their god like orders?

Business licenses.

Since when is operating a business illegal?

.

When you don't pay off the right people to get the right certificates, permits, and licenses.

It's all a racket.

I've applied for and received approximately 60 business licenses in the past 42 years and I've never had to "pay-off" people.

Video games don't count.

One time can you retort in some semblance of intelligence?

Why bother, you are incapable of intelligent response.

One time can you retort in some semblance of intelligence?

 

[westwall]

Since when did governors become the final arbiter of who is allowed to open and who gets prosecuted for not obeying their god like orders?

Business licenses.

Since when is operating a business illegal?

.

When you don't pay off the right people to get the right certificates, permits, and licenses.

It's all a racket.

I've applied for and received approximately 60 business licenses in the past 42 years and I've never had to "pay-off" people.

Video games don't count.

One time can you retort in some semblance of intelligence?

Why bother, you are incapable of intelligent response.

One time can you retort in some semblance of intelligence?

I can, but you wouldn't understand.

 

[westwall]

Natural herd immunity kills double to triple the amount of people vs herd immunity obtained thru vaccination.

It's why we have flu shots, vs letting everyone naturally obtaining it thru the natural process of survival of the fittest, only.

How did you arrive at that number?

 

[Papageorgio]

Since when did governors become the final arbiter of who is allowed to open and who gets prosecuted for not obeying their god like orders?

Business licenses.

Since when is operating a business illegal?

.

When you don't pay off the right people to get the right certificates, permits, and licenses.

It's all a racket.

I've applied for and received approximately 60 business licenses in the past 42 years and I've never had to "pay-off" people.

In imaginary businesses you don't need to "pay-off" anyone, unless it makes for a better story, just like your insurance fraud story.

 

[OnePercenter]

“You can’t [extend the emergency order] three days before it [expires]. It doesn’t work,” Savage said. “We had food ordered. We were making chowders and chilis and all that stuff. And we’re like, ‘No, we’re opening.’ We’re clean, we can give people social distancing, we can do it right.”

Business owners and others are expected to protest against Mills’ order in Augusta on Saturday.

Restaurateur Defied Maine Gov To Open His Business, State Agents Are Moving To Shut Him Down

State officials pulled a Maine restaurant’s health and liquor licenses after the owner opened up in defiance of Democratic Gov. Janet Mills’ emergency shutdown order. Rick Savage, owner of Sunday River Brewing Co. in Bethel, opened his restaurant and bar on May 1 after openly challenging Mills...

www.dailywire.com

And that's one of the big problems facing small businesses all across the country in the face of so many politicians' indecisiveness. Our governor's initial shut down order was set to expire at midnight on May 1st and he waited until April 30th to say he was extending it to May 15th. He got a lot of criticism for that, even by the media, surprisingly, because people don't know what to expect and can't make any plans.

In Maine's case, I can't see Janet Mills' scientific justification for extending her order another month when there have only been 55 deaths in her state and it is largely rural. It doesn't make any sense and she's making these decisions all on her own without any input from the state assembly or the business community. That is not how our government is meant to function. We don't elect monarchs. We have separation of powers for a reason. It takes a lot of courage to do what Savage is doing and I hope other businesses follow suit and open up around the state as well. Too many mayors and governors are consolidating power they arguably don't have and need to be reminded who they work for.

Well, the guy LIED about the governor telling him 3 days before the shutdown was to end, that it was not going to end....

lied lied lied

Around April 15th, two weeks before May 1st, the governor extended the stay at home orders to May 15th.

56 deaths with only around 1100 confirmed cases.... SHOWS that Maine does not have the tests and reagents and swabs to run the testing in any meaningful manner....

the state shows running at a 5% death rate.....!!!!!!!!!! Which is way way way way way higher than the 1% death rate or 0.5% death rate that they estimate this virus to be running....

Our problem in Maine is we do not know how many COVID infections we have in the state.... they are running blind.... hard to make any decisions on reopening or staying shuttered, without knowing how the virus is spreading.

We also have a very unusual situation, with half the homes in the state are owned or occupied in the summer only, they are vacation homes of a gazillion people from out of State, like New Yorkers and Mass-holes..... both areas inundated with the virus.....

And people in those regions with their shutdowns, hightailed it out of Dodge and came here, to their summer homes in Maine..... likely bringing the virus with them... We had a 40% increase in April, of people from other states coming here to their vacation homes....

Until we get enough testing, the governor will have to make some hard decisions....

Here is a link of one of my posts mentioning the extension of stay at home on April 22

Lets Get Down to Basic Facts; Who is Actually Responsible for the COVID19 Pandemic?

The Chinese government may have been playing with the the COVID19 virus as a target for vaccinations and treatment and it slipped out. Their cover up and misleading information caused the disease to get out of control in Europe, and the same is true of their ban of intra Chinese travel to Wuhan...

www.usmessageboard.com

WOW! "56 deaths with only around 1100 confirmed cases?" Not enough dead Americans for ya? Commie!

How many suicides are acceptable to you to continue the lockdown?

How many people must die before you think it's okay to open up the economy?

Tell that to your skidmark!

Trump says he 'strongly' disagreed with move to reopen Georgia -- contradicting source who said he agreed with it

President Donald Trump and Vice President Mike Pence both called Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp on Tuesday night and expressed support and praise for the Republican's move to reopen businesses in his state starting Friday, a source familiar with the call said. Trump later said the opposite -- that he...

www.cnn.com

 

[OnePercenter]

Since when did governors become the final arbiter of who is allowed to open and who gets prosecuted for not obeying their god like orders?

Since the people of their states allowed them to out of fear. That's the problem. They will get away with as much as they think they can as long as they can.

True. And unfortunately it’s now going to take unrest and major legal battles to put them back in their place.

Like we were warned. It’s much harder to get liberty back once it’s lost.

Communism. You can vote yourself in but you must shoot your way out.

Have you met your skidmarks wife and her parents? Not only commies, but her parents are chain immigrants.

 

[OnePercenter]

Since when did governors become the final arbiter of who is allowed to open and who gets prosecuted for not obeying their god like orders?

Business licenses.

Since when is operating a business illegal?

.

When you don't pay off the right people to get the right certificates, permits, and licenses.

It's all a racket.

I've applied for and received approximately 60 business licenses in the past 42 years and I've never had to "pay-off" people.

In imaginary businesses you don't need to "pay-off" anyone, unless it makes for a better story, just like your insurance fraud story.

You'd better have a really good Attorney if you want to make claims about insurance fraud.

 

[OnePercenter]

There is nothing unconstitutional about it. There are no separation of powers issues. The Governor has the power to do this in a emergency.

I'm not familiar with the Maine state constitution and I doubt you are either, hence the reason I specifically said "power they arguably don't have." Nonetheless, an emergency does not give them unlimited power to do what ever it is they want. There are limits.

There is a law granting her those powers in an emergency. This is 37-B §742, Emergency Proclamation

C. After the filing of the emergency proclamation and in addition to any other powers conferred by law, the Governor may:
(1) Suspend the enforcement of any statute prescribing the procedures for conduct of state business, or the orders or rules of any state agency, if strict compliance with the provisions of the statute, order or rule would in any way prevent, hinder or delay necessary action in coping with the emergency;
(2) Utilize all available resources of the State Government and of each political subdivision of the State as reasonably necessary to cope with the disaster emergency;
(3) Transfer the direction, personnel or functions of state departments and agencies, or units thereof, for the purposes of performing or facilitating emergency services;
(4) Authorize the obtaining and acquisition of property, supplies and materials pursuant to section 821;
(5) Enlist the aid of any person to assist in the effort to control, put out or end the emergency or aid in the caring for the safety of persons;
(6) Direct and compel the evacuation of all or part of the population from any stricken or threatened area within the State, if the Governor determines this action necessary for the preservation of life or other disaster mitigation, response or recovery;
(7) Prescribe routes, modes of transportation and destinations in connection with evacuations;
(8) Control ingress and egress to and from a disaster area, the movement of persons within the area and the occupancy of premises therein;
(9) Suspend or limit the sale, dispensing or transportation of alcoholic beverages, explosives and combustibles;
(10) Make provision for the availability and use of temporary emergency housing;
(11) Order the termination, temporary or permanent, of any process, operation, machine or device which may be causing or is understood to be the cause of the state of emergency for which this proclamation was made; and
(12) Take whatever action is necessary to abate, clean up or mitigate whatever danger may exist within the affected area. [PL 2011, c. 626, §2 (AMD).]

I understand she has emergency power, but those powers have limits and they need to be executed responsibly. The fact that she is allegedly not even being responsive to members of the state legislature make me question her motives and suspect that she knows she's crossing a line. In my opinion, there is no state of emergency in Maine. You have 1.3 million people in your state and a total of 57 deaths. In deaths per million you rank 35 out of 50 states. Your state has been shrinking economically for decades and now more than 10% of you are unemployed directly because of her actions.

Governors are not monarchs. In a representative republic, a responsible leader would be making these decisions in conjunction with local elected representatives, health officials, and the business community, not completely on her own.

Where did she violate the law?

 

[OnePercenter]

Ultimately, the people need to raise the stakes and stop this authoritarianism. The people have the power but they're gonna have to use it or these little tin pot authoritarian governors, mayors, local officials are gonna keep pushing that boot deeper into the neck.

When south Texas floods the government should say.....you're on your own?

Is that a threat, give up your rights or else the government services you paid for are withheld?

Nobody is being asked to give up their rights. People are being asked to behave responsibility during a pandemic.

My father and older brothers were asked to quit their jobs, join the military and fight World War II and they did it without hesitation. My oldest brother carried shrapnell in his body from his wounds on Juno Beach during D-day, until the day he died. You're being asked to sit on your ass at home and you're not prepared to do that.

But shutting down the economy and preventing herd immunity does NOT aid the country.
The Lock Down saves no lives at all, but only slows down the infection rate, thus making it last longer and kill more people.
If instead we asked for volunteers, like we did in WWII, then we could deliberately infect the young and healthy with the strain of COVID that is not lethal, and have this all over in 2 weeks.
The least deaths comes from achieving 55% herd immunity as quickly as possible.
And by speeding it up, then the compromised have much less chance of accidental exposure.

1. THE USA HAS NOT SHUT DOWN. You've have pockets and districts which have shut down, but the USA has not shut down, and unless and until you do, the virus will continue to rage out of control. There has been no national shut down.

2. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF HERD IMMUNITY IN THIS DISEASE. There are numerous cases in both South Korea and Italy where individuals who have had covid19 are getting it for a second time. We won't have any information on this until testing is complete, so it may be months away before we know one way or another for certain.

3. THE GOAL WAS TO SLOW INFECTION SO THAT HOSPITALS AREN'T OVERWHELMED Ask the health care workers in the hot spot zones, what the shut down is doing for them. Hospitals in hot zones are overwhelmed. The staff are working long hours with no PPE's. Many are getting sick and more than a few have died. The USA has less than 1 million hospital beds in total, and on any given day, 700,000 of those beds are full of patients with heart attacks, cancer, and various surgeries. There are only about 300,000 beds in the USA available for this pandemic and as of this morning, you have 920,000 people sick with this virus.

Your rate of illness continues to rise. Yesterday was the worst day for death in the USA since this started. Unless and until the entire country shuts down for a least a month, stopping this virus is just going to be a game of whack-a-mole, and your economy will continue to suffer.

Here in Ontario, we shut down in early March and we haven't re-opened. Of course we had tests and PPE's from day one because we have a government who learned from SARS and H1N1, and we were ready. We never ran out and we tested everyone coming in from hot zones. Our infections took off when we called Canadians home from the USA, where the virus was already out of control, but we even succeeded in shutting those infections down.

Our "closed cases" now triple our active cases. When the Premier announced a week ago that our closed cases exceeded our active cases, he announced the schools would stay closed until June 1st.

Tomorrow, our construction industry re-opens. All workers must have face shields, masks and gloves. That's what happens when you do the smart thing and #StayTheFuckAtHome.

That is completely wrong,

1. The lock down means you are required to stay at home unless you are one of essential services like food distribution. While big businesses like Costco and Walmart have bribed governors into remaining open, that is only because they sell food. Everything else is shut down. I don't know anyone allowed to be open except food distribution.
And the shut down does NOT at all reduce infection or death totals. It slows down infection rate a little, but that only delays herd immunity, which is the only means of ending it since there is no vaccine. And that increases the death total, not decreases it.
The only thing that can control any epidemic is herd immunity.

2. All viruses have always hard herd immunity through out all of human evolution, or else we would have gone extinct. Not only has there never been a single case of anyone getting COVID-19 a second time, but if you could, there would have been no peak or decline. The cases where people claimed to get it twice, likely was from getting a bacterial pneumonia or flu instead of COVID-19. We have antibodies as proof. And those antibodies have been used to cure others. So herd immunity is absolute. There is no question about it.

3. Yes initially there was a point to slow the infection rate to prevent hospital overloading, but now half the hospital staff is being laid off with nothing to do. There no longer is any risk of hospital overloading.

And you lie when you say the rate of infect continues to climb.
It has drastically reduced.
The entire country of the US has peaked and stabilized at far less than the peak.

Nor did any of your businesses ever have to shut down.
With masks and PPE, you could have continued with business as usual, right from the beginning.
This COVID-19 is not at all that contagious. It has a R0 of less than 2 it turns out.
The entire lock down was a fraud deliberately orchestrated to cause panic and hysteria.

I'm on voluntary lock-down and I haven't gotten sick. So it works.

You are propagating false information. STOP IT!!!

 

[OnePercenter]

“You can’t [extend the emergency order] three days before it [expires]. It doesn’t work,” Savage said. “We had food ordered. We were making chowders and chilis and all that stuff. And we’re like, ‘No, we’re opening.’ We’re clean, we can give people social distancing, we can do it right.”

Business owners and others are expected to protest against Mills’ order in Augusta on Saturday.

Restaurateur Defied Maine Gov To Open His Business, State Agents Are Moving To Shut Him Down

State officials pulled a Maine restaurant’s health and liquor licenses after the owner opened up in defiance of Democratic Gov. Janet Mills’ emergency shutdown order. Rick Savage, owner of Sunday River Brewing Co. in Bethel, opened his restaurant and bar on May 1 after openly challenging Mills...

www.dailywire.com

And that's one of the big problems facing small businesses all across the country in the face of so many politicians' indecisiveness. Our governor's initial shut down order was set to expire at midnight on May 1st and he waited until April 30th to say he was extending it to May 15th. He got a lot of criticism for that, even by the media, surprisingly, because people don't know what to expect and can't make any plans.

In Maine's case, I can't see Janet Mills' scientific justification for extending her order another month when there have only been 55 deaths in her state and it is largely rural. It doesn't make any sense and she's making these decisions all on her own without any input from the state assembly or the business community. That is not how our government is meant to function. We don't elect monarchs. We have separation of powers for a reason. It takes a lot of courage to do what Savage is doing and I hope other businesses follow suit and open up around the state as well. Too many mayors and governors are consolidating power they arguably don't have and need to be reminded who they work for.

Well, the guy LIED about the governor telling him 3 days before the shutdown was to end, that it was not going to end....

lied lied lied

Around April 15th, two weeks before May 1st, the governor extended the stay at home orders to May 15th.

56 deaths with only around 1100 confirmed cases.... SHOWS that Maine does not have the tests and reagents and swabs to run the testing in any meaningful manner....

the state shows running at a 5% death rate.....!!!!!!!!!! Which is way way way way way higher than the 1% death rate or 0.5% death rate that they estimate this virus to be running....

Our problem in Maine is we do not know how many COVID infections we have in the state.... they are running blind.... hard to make any decisions on reopening or staying shuttered, without knowing how the virus is spreading.

We also have a very unusual situation, with half the homes in the state are owned or occupied in the summer only, they are vacation homes of a gazillion people from out of State, like New Yorkers and Mass-holes..... both areas inundated with the virus.....

And people in those regions with their shutdowns, hightailed it out of Dodge and came here, to their summer homes in Maine..... likely bringing the virus with them... We had a 40% increase in April, of people from other states coming here to their vacation homes....

Until we get enough testing, the governor will have to make some hard decisions....

Here is a link of one of my posts mentioning the extension of stay at home on April 22

Lets Get Down to Basic Facts; Who is Actually Responsible for the COVID19 Pandemic?

The Chinese government may have been playing with the the COVID19 virus as a target for vaccinations and treatment and it slipped out. Their cover up and misleading information caused the disease to get out of control in Europe, and the same is true of their ban of intra Chinese travel to Wuhan...

www.usmessageboard.com

WOW! "56 deaths with only around 1100 confirmed cases?" Not enough dead Americans for ya? Commie!

That is silly.
Those 56 deaths are tiny compared to the seasonal flu deaths, and the actual infection rate of COVID-19 is likely over 20 times higher than the confirmed cases because we are not doing universal testing.
The fact the infection rate peaked and dropped proves we MUST have a much higher infection rate, because acquired immunity is the only possible reason for the decrease.

You are happy with more deaths? Even your skidmark told Georgia not to open.

Trump says he 'strongly' disagreed with move to reopen Georgia -- contradicting source who said he agreed with it

President Donald Trump and Vice President Mike Pence both called Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp on Tuesday night and expressed support and praise for the Republican's move to reopen businesses in his state starting Friday, a source familiar with the call said. Trump later said the opposite -- that he...

www.cnn.com

 

[Papageorgio]

Since when did governors become the final arbiter of who is allowed to open and who gets prosecuted for not obeying their god like orders?

Business licenses.

Since when is operating a business illegal?

.

When you don't pay off the right people to get the right certificates, permits, and licenses.

It's all a racket.

I've applied for and received approximately 60 business licenses in the past 42 years and I've never had to "pay-off" people.

In imaginary businesses you don't need to "pay-off" anyone, unless it makes for a better story, just like your insurance fraud story.

You'd better have a really good Attorney if you want to make claims about insurance fraud.

Yeah, you and your made up BS. you are the one that admitted to fraud, not me so tell your "attorney" about it moron, not me.

How many businesses you have today six or seven? LOL! you are dishonest, your fake attorney can't touch me. Time for you to grow up.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

I'm on voluntary lock-down and I haven't gotten sick. So it works.

You are propagating false information. STOP IT!!!

We've been having barbecues at my brother's house or sometimes his neighbors' houses almost every weekend since this started. Multiple neighbors come over or we go to one of their houses, anywhere from ten to 12 people usually. None of us have gotten sick either.

 

[OnePercenter]

I'm on voluntary lock-down and I haven't gotten sick. So it works.

You are propagating false information. STOP IT!!!

We've been having barbecues at my brother's house or sometimes his neighbors' houses almost every weekend since this started. Multiple neighbors come over or we go to one of their houses, anywhere from ten to 12 people usually. None of us have gotten sick either.

Good luck to you!