Rigged Elections and Voter Fraud - how common is fraud? Not very.

[Coyote]

The Law unfairly targets Minority Communities.

How?

Getting a photo ID so you can vote is easy. Unless you’re poor, black, Latino or elderly.

Supporters say that everyone should easily be able to get a photo ID and that the requirement is needed to combat voter fraud. But many election experts say that the process for obtaining a photo ID can be far more difficult than it looks for hundreds of thousands of people across the country who do not have the required photo identification cards. Those most likely to be affected are elderly citizens, African Americans, Hispanics and low-income residents.

“A lot of people don’t realize what it takes to obtain an ID without the proper identification and papers,” said Abbie Kamin, a lawyer who has worked with the Campaign Legal Center to help Texans obtain the proper identification to vote. “Many people will give up and not even bother trying to vote.”

A federal court in Texas found that 608,470 registered voters don’t have the forms of identification that the state now requires for voting. For example, residents can vote with their concealed-carry handgun licenses but not their state-issued student university IDs.

Across the country, about 11 percent of Americans do not have government-issued photo identification cards, such as a driver’s license or a passport, according to Wendy Weiser of the Democracy Program at the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University School of Law.
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Courts are finally pointing out the racism behind voter ID laws

In North Carolina, the legislature requested racial data on the use of electoral mechanisms, then restricted all those disproportionately used by blacks, such as early voting, same-day registration and out-of-precinct voting. Absentee ballots, disproportionately used by white voters, were exempted from the voter ID requirement. The legislative record actually justified the elimination of one of the two days of Sunday voting because “counties with Sunday voting in 2014 were disproportionately black” and “disproportionately Democratic.”


The documents acceptable for proving voters’ identity in North Carolina were the ones disproportionately held by whites, such as driver’s licenses, U.S. passports, and veteran and military IDs, and the ones that were left out were the ones often held by poor minority voters, such as student IDs, government employee IDs and public assistance IDs. The Texas voter ID law was designed the same way: There, officials accepted concealed-weapon licenses but not student or state employee IDs. The Texas legislature was repeatedly advised of the likely effect on minority voters but rebuffed nearly all amendments that would have eased its harsh impact.​

So get a Fn ID!!! What's so hard about minorities getting an ID? Are you making the claim that whites are more intelligent than blacks? Has any blacks with proper identification been denied a Voter-ID?

If people don't want to go through the trouble of getting a Voter-ID, then chances are they don't really care about voting. And what, some blacks can only vote after they go to church? We have voting on one day--election day. That's when we vote and it's never been a problem.

The problem is not much different than the poll tax. Laws have been made that deliberately target certain groups for disenfranchisment. That was made quite clear in NC's court case. Why do you support this?

How hard is it (or expensive is it) for some people to get an "acceptable" id?

Well Actually, It’s Pretty Hard for Some People to Get a Photo ID So They Can Vote #ABLC

In Texas, for example, the cost of traveling to the nearest Department of Public Safety office, Texas’ version of the DMV, can be burdensome: Of the 254 counties in Texas, 78 do not have a permanent DPS office. In some communities along the Mexican border, the nearest DPS office is between 100 and 125 miles away. And in rural communities in other states, the DMV offices are few and far between.


That means a person without a driver’s license is going to have to rely on a family member or a friend to drive them to the DMV (or, in Texas, the DPS) in order to get a photo ID card.

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And then there are financial constraints.


Oftentimes, people don’t even have the money to pay for the underlying documentation needed to get a photo ID card. Getting a photo ID invariably requires proof of identification; usually, that means you need your birth certificate. But what if you don’t have your birth certificate? Then you have to contact whatever government office is in charge of that sort of thing to get a copy of it. And that can be a real pain in the ass for a lot of reasons.


For that matter, a lot of birth certificates have mistakes on them. If your name is spelled wrong, then you have to go through a whole rigamarole to get that fixed before you can get your ID card.


Some people have never been issued a birth certificate. A lot of elderly Black folks, for example, were birthed by midwives at home. They don’t have birth certificates.


A lot of rural folks—Black, white, Latino, whatever—were born on farms. They don’t have birth certificates either.


And did you know that in 2010, the birth certificates of all American citizens born in Puerto Rico expired? Because they did. So if you were born in Puerto Rico and you need a birth certificate, well, good luck with that. Sure, you can pay five bucks to get a new one—and let’s not forget that for some people, like low-income folks or homeless folks, even five dollars is five dollars too much—but guess what you need in order to get a new birth certificate?


If you guessed “a photo ID card,” give yourself a pat on the back.


So if you’re Puerto Rican and you don’t have a photo ID or a driver’s license, you have to get a copy of your birth certificate from Puerto Rico. But in order to get your birth certificate, you have to have a photo ID. It’s a vicious circle. (And this sort of problem doesn’t exist only in Puerto Rico. In Texas, for example, in order to get a certified copy of your birth certificate, you need an ID card. And in order to get an ID card, you need a certified copy of your birth certificate. And round and round we go.)


If you’re trying to vote in a state where you live but weren’t born, simply trying to acquire a copy of your out-of-state birth certificate can be prohibitively expensive.


In the Texas voter ID litigation, one plaintiff testified that Louisiana wanted to charge him more than $80 for a copy of his birth certificate. Another plaintiff decided against obtaining his birth certificate from New Jersey, because that state wanted a $30 fee he didn’t have.

The bottom line is this: Voting is a fundamental right. Voting isn’t like buying beer, or entering a government building, or buying a gun. Voting is a civic duty that many Americans take seriously. And many Americans are being denied their right to vote in states where the people in power are afraid that the changing population demographics might squeeze them out of existence.​

The Challenge of Obtaining Voter Identification

The 11 percent of eligible voters who lack the required photo ID must travel to a designated government office to obtain one. Yet many citizens will have trouble making this trip. In the 10 states with restrictive voter ID laws:

• Nearly 500,000 eligible voters do not have access to a vehicle and live more than 10 miles from the nearest state ID-issuing office open more than two days a week. Many of them live in rural areas with dwindling public transportation options.
• More than 10 million eligible voters live more than 10 miles from their nearest state ID-issuing office open more than two days a week.
• 1.2 million eligible black voters and 500,000 eligible Hispanic voters live more than 10 miles from their nearest ID-issuing office open more than two days a week. People of color are more likely to be disenfranchised by these laws since they are less likely to have photo ID than the general population.
• Many ID-issuing offices maintain limited business hours. For example, the office in Sauk City, Wisconsin is open only on the fifth Wednesday of any month. But only four months in 2012 — February, May, August, and October — have five Wednesdays. In other states — Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, and Texas — many part-time ID-issuing offices are in the rural regions with the highest concentrations of people of color and people in poverty.

More than 1 million eligible voters in these states fall below the federal poverty line and live more than 10 miles from their nearest ID-issuing office open more than two days a week. These voters may be particularly affected by the significant costs of the documentation required to obtain a photo ID. Birth certificates can cost between $8 and $25. Marriage licenses, required for married women whose birth certificates include a maiden name, can cost between $8 and $20. By comparison, the notorious poll tax — outlawed during the civil rights era — cost $10.64 in current dollars.


The result is plain: Voter ID laws will make it harder for hundreds of thousands of poor Americans to vote. They place a serious burden on a core constitutional right that should be universally available to every American citizen.
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[OKTexas]

The Law unfairly targets Minority Communities.

How?

Getting a photo ID so you can vote is easy. Unless you’re poor, black, Latino or elderly.

Supporters say that everyone should easily be able to get a photo ID and that the requirement is needed to combat voter fraud. But many election experts say that the process for obtaining a photo ID can be far more difficult than it looks for hundreds of thousands of people across the country who do not have the required photo identification cards. Those most likely to be affected are elderly citizens, African Americans, Hispanics and low-income residents.

“A lot of people don’t realize what it takes to obtain an ID without the proper identification and papers,” said Abbie Kamin, a lawyer who has worked with the Campaign Legal Center to help Texans obtain the proper identification to vote. “Many people will give up and not even bother trying to vote.”

A federal court in Texas found that 608,470 registered voters don’t have the forms of identification that the state now requires for voting. For example, residents can vote with their concealed-carry handgun licenses but not their state-issued student university IDs.

Across the country, about 11 percent of Americans do not have government-issued photo identification cards, such as a driver’s license or a passport, according to Wendy Weiser of the Democracy Program at the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University School of Law.
​

Courts are finally pointing out the racism behind voter ID laws

In North Carolina, the legislature requested racial data on the use of electoral mechanisms, then restricted all those disproportionately used by blacks, such as early voting, same-day registration and out-of-precinct voting. Absentee ballots, disproportionately used by white voters, were exempted from the voter ID requirement. The legislative record actually justified the elimination of one of the two days of Sunday voting because “counties with Sunday voting in 2014 were disproportionately black” and “disproportionately Democratic.”


The documents acceptable for proving voters’ identity in North Carolina were the ones disproportionately held by whites, such as driver’s licenses, U.S. passports, and veteran and military IDs, and the ones that were left out were the ones often held by poor minority voters, such as student IDs, government employee IDs and public assistance IDs. The Texas voter ID law was designed the same way: There, officials accepted concealed-weapon licenses but not student or state employee IDs. The Texas legislature was repeatedly advised of the likely effect on minority voters but rebuffed nearly all amendments that would have eased its harsh impact.​

Blah, blah, blah, blah, typical regressive double speak and situational bullshit.

If a conservative mentions all the minorities on welfare, the left charges out, pointing at more whites being on welfare rolls than minorities.

Now a proposal is made that would effect ALL poor people exactly the same, but no, it's suddenly racist and disproportionately effects only poor minorities.

You fuckers are a real piece of work.

 

[Coyote]

The Law unfairly targets Minority Communities.

How?

Getting a photo ID so you can vote is easy. Unless you’re poor, black, Latino or elderly.

Supporters say that everyone should easily be able to get a photo ID and that the requirement is needed to combat voter fraud. But many election experts say that the process for obtaining a photo ID can be far more difficult than it looks for hundreds of thousands of people across the country who do not have the required photo identification cards. Those most likely to be affected are elderly citizens, African Americans, Hispanics and low-income residents.

“A lot of people don’t realize what it takes to obtain an ID without the proper identification and papers,” said Abbie Kamin, a lawyer who has worked with the Campaign Legal Center to help Texans obtain the proper identification to vote. “Many people will give up and not even bother trying to vote.”

A federal court in Texas found that 608,470 registered voters don’t have the forms of identification that the state now requires for voting. For example, residents can vote with their concealed-carry handgun licenses but not their state-issued student university IDs.

Across the country, about 11 percent of Americans do not have government-issued photo identification cards, such as a driver’s license or a passport, according to Wendy Weiser of the Democracy Program at the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University School of Law.
​

Courts are finally pointing out the racism behind voter ID laws

In North Carolina, the legislature requested racial data on the use of electoral mechanisms, then restricted all those disproportionately used by blacks, such as early voting, same-day registration and out-of-precinct voting. Absentee ballots, disproportionately used by white voters, were exempted from the voter ID requirement. The legislative record actually justified the elimination of one of the two days of Sunday voting because “counties with Sunday voting in 2014 were disproportionately black” and “disproportionately Democratic.”


The documents acceptable for proving voters’ identity in North Carolina were the ones disproportionately held by whites, such as driver’s licenses, U.S. passports, and veteran and military IDs, and the ones that were left out were the ones often held by poor minority voters, such as student IDs, government employee IDs and public assistance IDs. The Texas voter ID law was designed the same way: There, officials accepted concealed-weapon licenses but not student or state employee IDs. The Texas legislature was repeatedly advised of the likely effect on minority voters but rebuffed nearly all amendments that would have eased its harsh impact.​

Blah, blah, blah, blah, typical regressive double speak and situational bullshit.

If a conservative mentions all the minorities on welfare, the left charges out, pointing at more whites being on welfare rolls than minorities.

Now a proposal is made that would effect ALL poor people exactly the same, but no, it's suddenly racist and disproportionately effects only poor minorities.

It doesn't effect all poor people the same because not all poor people have the same issues with ID's and birth certificates. As one article pointed out minorities are substantially more effected, and when you add in the fact that the ID's they are more likely to have, are not on that very narrow list of "acceptable" ID's - you compound the problem for those groups.

I got to give it to you - you guys did a hellacious job in trying to disenfranchise voters. This has been the most successful effort since the poll tax.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

It doesn't effect all poor people the same because not all poor people have the same issues with ID's and birth certificates. As one article pointed out minorities are substantially more effected, and when you add in the fact that the ID's they are more likely to have, are not on that very narrow list of "acceptable" ID's - you compound the problem for those groups.

I got to give it to you - you guys did a hellacious job in trying to disenfranchise voters. This has been the most successful effort since the poll tax.

Really? Because Tilly posted some great articles about how states with Voter-ID's didn't see any disenfranchisement at all.

 

[Ame®icano]

As my Late Mother used to say, "What if a bear was to come?"

You are asking a question about something, that as a verifiable event occurs less than .000000001% of the time.

According to video, it has been done for 50 years and they have no intentions to stop.

Voter Fraud is a Statistical Anomaly. You cannot eliminate something that as a rule does not occur, especially when the only means by which you attempting trying to make that elimination is by denying U.S. Citizens their Constitutionally Protected Right to Vote.

Voter fraud is not anomaly, it's just near impossible to prove due to leftards like you whining how voter ID is restrictive and preventing it's enforcement.

Especially when the Citizens being targeted for restrictive I.D. Laws are Minorities that have historically been denied their Constitutionally Protected Right to Vote. Vote I.D. Laws are NOT applied fairly and equally throughout the Population as a whole, but targeted against demographic groups who historically vote Democratic.

If we want to know for sure there is no voter fraud, voter ID laws are necessary.

You cannot deny a Person or Persons their Constitutionally Protected Right to Vote because you do not like the Political Party they vote for, nor can that Right be denied based on Race, Religion, Ethnic Background, Gender, Gender Identity or Country of Origin. Please consult the United States Constitution, the 14th. Amendment, the Equal Protection Clause if you do not understand that.

You keep saying those laws are restrictive, yet not providing proof that they are.

Only restriction that voter ID is going to provide is to prevent those who have no right to vote (illegals, dead, multiple registrant) not giving them chance to do so. Everyone else will have no problems voting.

There is no verifiable proof of you claim. There is Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, Seventh, Eighth, Ninth, and Tenth Hearsay which provides only conjecture, contention and the vaguest of vague, remotest of the remote isolated possibility of something that might, maybe happen.

It's happening and it has to stop. If voter ID laws are going in leftist favor, you would be calling for them. But they're not going in leftist favor, since they're going to lose the votes of all those mentioned above: dead, illegals, cartoon characters, etc. And you hate it.

You do not offer subjective proof. You have none. There is no proof whatsoever of Millions of Undocumented Workers flooding this country to vote in November...no proof just words that have no basis in reality.

One fraud is proof good enough. But you know there are much more than one. That's why you are against voted ID laws, so the fraud can continue.

 

[OKTexas]

The Law unfairly targets Minority Communities.

How?

Getting a photo ID so you can vote is easy. Unless you’re poor, black, Latino or elderly.

Supporters say that everyone should easily be able to get a photo ID and that the requirement is needed to combat voter fraud. But many election experts say that the process for obtaining a photo ID can be far more difficult than it looks for hundreds of thousands of people across the country who do not have the required photo identification cards. Those most likely to be affected are elderly citizens, African Americans, Hispanics and low-income residents.

“A lot of people don’t realize what it takes to obtain an ID without the proper identification and papers,” said Abbie Kamin, a lawyer who has worked with the Campaign Legal Center to help Texans obtain the proper identification to vote. “Many people will give up and not even bother trying to vote.”

A federal court in Texas found that 608,470 registered voters don’t have the forms of identification that the state now requires for voting. For example, residents can vote with their concealed-carry handgun licenses but not their state-issued student university IDs.

Across the country, about 11 percent of Americans do not have government-issued photo identification cards, such as a driver’s license or a passport, according to Wendy Weiser of the Democracy Program at the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University School of Law.
​

Courts are finally pointing out the racism behind voter ID laws

In North Carolina, the legislature requested racial data on the use of electoral mechanisms, then restricted all those disproportionately used by blacks, such as early voting, same-day registration and out-of-precinct voting. Absentee ballots, disproportionately used by white voters, were exempted from the voter ID requirement. The legislative record actually justified the elimination of one of the two days of Sunday voting because “counties with Sunday voting in 2014 were disproportionately black” and “disproportionately Democratic.”


The documents acceptable for proving voters’ identity in North Carolina were the ones disproportionately held by whites, such as driver’s licenses, U.S. passports, and veteran and military IDs, and the ones that were left out were the ones often held by poor minority voters, such as student IDs, government employee IDs and public assistance IDs. The Texas voter ID law was designed the same way: There, officials accepted concealed-weapon licenses but not student or state employee IDs. The Texas legislature was repeatedly advised of the likely effect on minority voters but rebuffed nearly all amendments that would have eased its harsh impact.​

Blah, blah, blah, blah, typical regressive double speak and situational bullshit.

If a conservative mentions all the minorities on welfare, the left charges out, pointing at more whites being on welfare rolls than minorities.

Now a proposal is made that would effect ALL poor people exactly the same, but no, it's suddenly racist and disproportionately effects only poor minorities.

It doesn't effect all poor people the same because not all poor people have the same issues with ID's and birth certificates. As one article pointed out minorities are substantially more effected, and when you add in the fact that the ID's they are more likely to have, are not on that very narrow list of "acceptable" ID's - you compound the problem for those groups.

I got to give it to you - you guys did a hellacious job in trying to disenfranchise voters. This has been the most successful effort since the poll tax.

Right, it took a total of 45 minutes and 10 dollars to get my mother-in-law, who move here from out of state, an ID acceptable for voting. 5 minutes on the phone and a 5 dollar charge for her birth certificate and about 40 minutes and 5 dollars at the drivers license bureau. If she had been indigent, the ID would have been free. Your arguments are a joke. We live in a rural area BTW.

 

[Ame®icano]

As long there is no ID law, there is a room for voter fraud which is hard to expose, and even then, it's too late do do anything about it. That's why they're resisting those laws that will make it harder for them to cheat, and will bring punishment for something they could get away with today easily.

Nice try making racist insane rationalizations with a likeminded Jim Crow law fan of yours.

In-person voter impersonation fraud is the easiest thing in the world to catch. That is why it is nonexistent in the overwhelming majority of elections.

What's racist about having law that is the same for everyone equally?

If you disenfranchise 250,000 people stop one person from successfully committing in-person voter impersonation fraud, then you are an idiot, or a florid racist.

There really aren't too many other alternatives.

Explain how the law disenfranchises anyone.

The unfairly targets Minorities. African-Americans, Hispanic-Americans, Muslim-Americans or State Supreme Courts have held.

Still waiting for you to explain how.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The Law unfairly targets Minority Communities.

How?

Getting a photo ID so you can vote is easy. Unless you’re poor, black, Latino or elderly.

Supporters say that everyone should easily be able to get a photo ID and that the requirement is needed to combat voter fraud. But many election experts say that the process for obtaining a photo ID can be far more difficult than it looks for hundreds of thousands of people across the country who do not have the required photo identification cards. Those most likely to be affected are elderly citizens, African Americans, Hispanics and low-income residents.

“A lot of people don’t realize what it takes to obtain an ID without the proper identification and papers,” said Abbie Kamin, a lawyer who has worked with the Campaign Legal Center to help Texans obtain the proper identification to vote. “Many people will give up and not even bother trying to vote.”

A federal court in Texas found that 608,470 registered voters don’t have the forms of identification that the state now requires for voting. For example, residents can vote with their concealed-carry handgun licenses but not their state-issued student university IDs.

Across the country, about 11 percent of Americans do not have government-issued photo identification cards, such as a driver’s license or a passport, according to Wendy Weiser of the Democracy Program at the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University School of Law.
​

Courts are finally pointing out the racism behind voter ID laws

In North Carolina, the legislature requested racial data on the use of electoral mechanisms, then restricted all those disproportionately used by blacks, such as early voting, same-day registration and out-of-precinct voting. Absentee ballots, disproportionately used by white voters, were exempted from the voter ID requirement. The legislative record actually justified the elimination of one of the two days of Sunday voting because “counties with Sunday voting in 2014 were disproportionately black” and “disproportionately Democratic.”


The documents acceptable for proving voters’ identity in North Carolina were the ones disproportionately held by whites, such as driver’s licenses, U.S. passports, and veteran and military IDs, and the ones that were left out were the ones often held by poor minority voters, such as student IDs, government employee IDs and public assistance IDs. The Texas voter ID law was designed the same way: There, officials accepted concealed-weapon licenses but not student or state employee IDs. The Texas legislature was repeatedly advised of the likely effect on minority voters but rebuffed nearly all amendments that would have eased its harsh impact.​

So get a Fn ID!!! What's so hard about minorities getting an ID? Are you making the claim that whites are more intelligent than blacks? Has any blacks with proper identification been denied a Voter-ID?

If people don't want to go through the trouble of getting a Voter-ID, then chances are they don't really care about voting. And what, some blacks can only vote after they go to church? We have voting on one day--election day. That's when we vote and it's never been a problem.

The problem is not much different than the poll tax. Laws have been made that deliberately target certain groups for disenfranchisment. That was made quite clear in NC's court case. Why do you support this?

How hard is it (or expensive is it) for some people to get an "acceptable" id?

Well Actually, It’s Pretty Hard for Some People to Get a Photo ID So They Can Vote #ABLC

In Texas, for example, the cost of traveling to the nearest Department of Public Safety office, Texas’ version of the DMV, can be burdensome: Of the 254 counties in Texas, 78 do not have a permanent DPS office. In some communities along the Mexican border, the nearest DPS office is between 100 and 125 miles away. And in rural communities in other states, the DMV offices are few and far between.


That means a person without a driver’s license is going to have to rely on a family member or a friend to drive them to the DMV (or, in Texas, the DPS) in order to get a photo ID card.

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And then there are financial constraints.


Oftentimes, people don’t even have the money to pay for the underlying documentation needed to get a photo ID card. Getting a photo ID invariably requires proof of identification; usually, that means you need your birth certificate. But what if you don’t have your birth certificate? Then you have to contact whatever government office is in charge of that sort of thing to get a copy of it. And that can be a real pain in the ass for a lot of reasons.


For that matter, a lot of birth certificates have mistakes on them. If your name is spelled wrong, then you have to go through a whole rigamarole to get that fixed before you can get your ID card.


Some people have never been issued a birth certificate. A lot of elderly Black folks, for example, were birthed by midwives at home. They don’t have birth certificates.


A lot of rural folks—Black, white, Latino, whatever—were born on farms. They don’t have birth certificates either.


And did you know that in 2010, the birth certificates of all American citizens born in Puerto Rico expired? Because they did. So if you were born in Puerto Rico and you need a birth certificate, well, good luck with that. Sure, you can pay five bucks to get a new one—and let’s not forget that for some people, like low-income folks or homeless folks, even five dollars is five dollars too much—but guess what you need in order to get a new birth certificate?


If you guessed “a photo ID card,” give yourself a pat on the back.


So if you’re Puerto Rican and you don’t have a photo ID or a driver’s license, you have to get a copy of your birth certificate from Puerto Rico. But in order to get your birth certificate, you have to have a photo ID. It’s a vicious circle. (And this sort of problem doesn’t exist only in Puerto Rico. In Texas, for example, in order to get a certified copy of your birth certificate, you need an ID card. And in order to get an ID card, you need a certified copy of your birth certificate. And round and round we go.)


If you’re trying to vote in a state where you live but weren’t born, simply trying to acquire a copy of your out-of-state birth certificate can be prohibitively expensive.


In the Texas voter ID litigation, one plaintiff testified that Louisiana wanted to charge him more than $80 for a copy of his birth certificate. Another plaintiff decided against obtaining his birth certificate from New Jersey, because that state wanted a $30 fee he didn’t have.

The bottom line is this: Voting is a fundamental right. Voting isn’t like buying beer, or entering a government building, or buying a gun. Voting is a civic duty that many Americans take seriously. And many Americans are being denied their right to vote in states where the people in power are afraid that the changing population demographics might squeeze them out of existence.​

The Challenge of Obtaining Voter Identification

The 11 percent of eligible voters who lack the required photo ID must travel to a designated government office to obtain one. Yet many citizens will have trouble making this trip. In the 10 states with restrictive voter ID laws:

• Nearly 500,000 eligible voters do not have access to a vehicle and live more than 10 miles from the nearest state ID-issuing office open more than two days a week. Many of them live in rural areas with dwindling public transportation options.
• More than 10 million eligible voters live more than 10 miles from their nearest state ID-issuing office open more than two days a week.
• 1.2 million eligible black voters and 500,000 eligible Hispanic voters live more than 10 miles from their nearest ID-issuing office open more than two days a week. People of color are more likely to be disenfranchised by these laws since they are less likely to have photo ID than the general population.
• Many ID-issuing offices maintain limited business hours. For example, the office in Sauk City, Wisconsin is open only on the fifth Wednesday of any month. But only four months in 2012 — February, May, August, and October — have five Wednesdays. In other states — Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, and Texas — many part-time ID-issuing offices are in the rural regions with the highest concentrations of people of color and people in poverty.

More than 1 million eligible voters in these states fall below the federal poverty line and live more than 10 miles from their nearest ID-issuing office open more than two days a week. These voters may be particularly affected by the significant costs of the documentation required to obtain a photo ID. Birth certificates can cost between $8 and $25. Marriage licenses, required for married women whose birth certificates include a maiden name, can cost between $8 and $20. By comparison, the notorious poll tax — outlawed during the civil rights era — cost $10.64 in current dollars.


The result is plain: Voter ID laws will make it harder for hundreds of thousands of poor Americans to vote. They place a serious burden on a core constitutional right that should be universally available to every American citizen.
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Like I said earlier, if you took any one of these people, told them they had a check for $1,000 waiting for them across the state somewhere, and all they needed was a government ID to claim that check, they would have that ID in 24 hours and be at the other end of that state the same day they got their ID.

Some don't have five dollars? There is a simple solution to that. Get a job at McDonald's and quit after you work a half of a day. You will have your five bucks and then some for gas to get the ID.

 

[Tilly]

Lol.

.... A 2008 election survey of 12,000 registered voters in all 50 states found fewer than nine people who were unable to vote because of voter ID requirements.[5] This completely contradicts the unsupported claims of voter ID opponents that there are hundreds of thousands of voters in every state who do not have a photo ID or the claims of the Brennan Center that “as many as 11% of United States citizens…do not have government-issued photo IDs.”[6] .....

Lessons from the Voter ID Experience in Georgia

 

[9thIDdoc]

California intends to let illegal aliens vote. Sounds like wide spread fraud to me.

 

[Ame®icano]

You have never paid for a Driver's License Ever Right????? You have never paid for Birth Certificate Before Right?????

Explain how paying fro drivers license is restricting you from voting?

 

[Ame®icano]

As long there is no ID law, there is a room for voter fraud which is hard to expose, and even then, it's too late do do anything about it. That's why they're resisting those laws that will make it harder for them to cheat, and will bring punishment for something they could get away with today easily.

Nice try making racist insane rationalizations with a likeminded Jim Crow law fan of yours.

In-person voter impersonation fraud is the easiest thing in the world to catch. That is why it is nonexistent in the overwhelming majority of elections.

What's racist about having law that is the same for everyone equally?

The Law unfairly targets Minority Communities.

Care to explain how?

 

[Tilly]

You have never paid for a Driver's License Ever Right????? You have never paid for Birth Certificate Before Right?????

Explain how paying fro drivers license is restricting you from voting?

If they can't afford voter ID, they get it free.

 

[Ame®icano]

The Law unfairly targets Minority Communities.

How?

There are 10-12% of eligible voters that do not have a proper photo ID. These people ate disproportionately poor & thereby disproportionately minority who tend to vote Democrat.

I don't care if they vote Democrat. I care they vote once.
Let them get driver's license and voter ID.

 

[Ame®icano]

The Law unfairly targets Minority Communities.

How?

There are 10-12% of eligible voters that do not have a proper photo ID. These people ate disproportionately poor & thereby disproportionately minority who tend to vote Democrat.

And of course that makes them too stupid to get a free ID, right?

It's so hard to get the ID, yet so easy to get on bus and vote multiple times.

 

[Tilly]

So much for all this condescending racist claptrap from the left - using minority groups as an excuse to maintain the potential for fraud.

It looks to me that people of all stripes might be more inclined to vote if they know their vote really does count and won't be nullified by fraud.

In Georgia, for example, there was a staggering 140% increase in the number of Hispanic/Latino voters after the introduction of voter ID, a 42% increase among black voters, and an increase of 8% among white voters. No SUPRESSION or RACISM here, more like a positive empowering move.
Stop being patronising racists, lefties!

....Georgia’s experience with minority voters also directly refutes the claims that voter ID laws somehow prevent racial minorities from voting. Keep in mind that Georgia’s photo ID requirement was not in place in the 2004 presidential election or the 2006 mid-term congressional elections. The law was first effective in the 2008 presidential election and the 2010 congressional elections, although Georgia has actually had at least 40 state and federal elections since September 2007 when the law became effective, not including municipal and county elections. More than 15 million votes have been cast in those elections.

According to the Secretary of State, the turnout of black and Hispanic voters has been as follows:

The increase in turnout of both Hispanics and blacks in the 2008 presidential election after the voter ID law became effective is quite remarkable, particularly given the unproven and totally speculative claims of the Justice Department that the voter ID requirements of Texas and South Carolina will somehow have a discriminatory impact on Hispanic and black voters.[7] In fact, Georgia had the largest turnout of minority voters in its history.

Lessons from the Voter ID Experience in Georgia

 

[Coyote]

It doesn't effect all poor people the same because not all poor people have the same issues with ID's and birth certificates. As one article pointed out minorities are substantially more effected, and when you add in the fact that the ID's they are more likely to have, are not on that very narrow list of "acceptable" ID's - you compound the problem for those groups.

I got to give it to you - you guys did a hellacious job in trying to disenfranchise voters. This has been the most successful effort since the poll tax.

Really? Because Tilly posted some great articles about how states with Voter-ID's didn't see any disenfranchisement at all.

Yes really. Different laws in different states - the ones with the most restrictive laws (such as Texas and NC) were slammed by the courts. They also had the poorest educational and outreach efforts to try and assist people in getting id's and letting them know what ID's would work. One the worst things is that they also had the fewest number of acceptable ID's (and, amazingly - those were the types of state ID's largely used by Republicans and whites such as handgun permits and military ID's) - other forms of state ID (such as student ID's) were not allowed. Indiana's law seems to be working well - Indiana also did a lot of work to provide free ID's for people that didn't have then, to provide education and information well ahead, so that may have have helped.

But there are significant problems with older and poor people, especially minorities who might not have a birth certificate, for example - or the means to get to the places they might have to go in order to get the documentation or ID's if they don't have a car, live in a state where locations are open only a few days a month and are far away. They probably would just give up and not vote (which I think is what some desire).

I would have less of a problem with Voter ID if they were less restrictive in what was allowed for an ID, and if the cost was covered for the voter of any documentation and transportation needed to get that ID. If people can transport voters to polling places, they can do so for ID's.

 

[Coyote]

The Law unfairly targets Minority Communities.

How?

There are 10-12% of eligible voters that do not have a proper photo ID. These people ate disproportionately poor & thereby disproportionately minority who tend to vote Democrat.

And of course that makes them too stupid to get a free ID, right?

It's so hard to get the ID, yet so easy to get on bus and vote multiple times.

Except that doesn't happen much.

 

[Coyote]

The Law unfairly targets Minority Communities.

How?

Getting a photo ID so you can vote is easy. Unless you’re poor, black, Latino or elderly.

Supporters say that everyone should easily be able to get a photo ID and that the requirement is needed to combat voter fraud. But many election experts say that the process for obtaining a photo ID can be far more difficult than it looks for hundreds of thousands of people across the country who do not have the required photo identification cards. Those most likely to be affected are elderly citizens, African Americans, Hispanics and low-income residents.

“A lot of people don’t realize what it takes to obtain an ID without the proper identification and papers,” said Abbie Kamin, a lawyer who has worked with the Campaign Legal Center to help Texans obtain the proper identification to vote. “Many people will give up and not even bother trying to vote.”

A federal court in Texas found that 608,470 registered voters don’t have the forms of identification that the state now requires for voting. For example, residents can vote with their concealed-carry handgun licenses but not their state-issued student university IDs.

Across the country, about 11 percent of Americans do not have government-issued photo identification cards, such as a driver’s license or a passport, according to Wendy Weiser of the Democracy Program at the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University School of Law.
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Courts are finally pointing out the racism behind voter ID laws

In North Carolina, the legislature requested racial data on the use of electoral mechanisms, then restricted all those disproportionately used by blacks, such as early voting, same-day registration and out-of-precinct voting. Absentee ballots, disproportionately used by white voters, were exempted from the voter ID requirement. The legislative record actually justified the elimination of one of the two days of Sunday voting because “counties with Sunday voting in 2014 were disproportionately black” and “disproportionately Democratic.”


The documents acceptable for proving voters’ identity in North Carolina were the ones disproportionately held by whites, such as driver’s licenses, U.S. passports, and veteran and military IDs, and the ones that were left out were the ones often held by poor minority voters, such as student IDs, government employee IDs and public assistance IDs. The Texas voter ID law was designed the same way: There, officials accepted concealed-weapon licenses but not student or state employee IDs. The Texas legislature was repeatedly advised of the likely effect on minority voters but rebuffed nearly all amendments that would have eased its harsh impact.​

Blah, blah, blah, blah, typical regressive double speak and situational bullshit.

If a conservative mentions all the minorities on welfare, the left charges out, pointing at more whites being on welfare rolls than minorities.

Now a proposal is made that would effect ALL poor people exactly the same, but no, it's suddenly racist and disproportionately effects only poor minorities.

It doesn't effect all poor people the same because not all poor people have the same issues with ID's and birth certificates. As one article pointed out minorities are substantially more effected, and when you add in the fact that the ID's they are more likely to have, are not on that very narrow list of "acceptable" ID's - you compound the problem for those groups.

I got to give it to you - you guys did a hellacious job in trying to disenfranchise voters. This has been the most successful effort since the poll tax.

Right, it took a total of 45 minutes and 10 dollars to get my mother-in-law, who move here from out of state, an ID acceptable for voting. 5 minutes on the phone and a 5 dollar charge for her birth certificate and about 40 minutes and 5 dollars at the drivers license bureau. If she had been indigent, the ID would have been free. Your arguments are a joke. We live in a rural area BTW.

Oh right. Because it was so easy for your mother-in-law it MUST be easy for everyone! Now why didn't I think of that?

 

[Coyote]

The Law unfairly targets Minority Communities.

How?

Getting a photo ID so you can vote is easy. Unless you’re poor, black, Latino or elderly.

Supporters say that everyone should easily be able to get a photo ID and that the requirement is needed to combat voter fraud. But many election experts say that the process for obtaining a photo ID can be far more difficult than it looks for hundreds of thousands of people across the country who do not have the required photo identification cards. Those most likely to be affected are elderly citizens, African Americans, Hispanics and low-income residents.

“A lot of people don’t realize what it takes to obtain an ID without the proper identification and papers,” said Abbie Kamin, a lawyer who has worked with the Campaign Legal Center to help Texans obtain the proper identification to vote. “Many people will give up and not even bother trying to vote.”

A federal court in Texas found that 608,470 registered voters don’t have the forms of identification that the state now requires for voting. For example, residents can vote with their concealed-carry handgun licenses but not their state-issued student university IDs.

Across the country, about 11 percent of Americans do not have government-issued photo identification cards, such as a driver’s license or a passport, according to Wendy Weiser of the Democracy Program at the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University School of Law.
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Courts are finally pointing out the racism behind voter ID laws

In North Carolina, the legislature requested racial data on the use of electoral mechanisms, then restricted all those disproportionately used by blacks, such as early voting, same-day registration and out-of-precinct voting. Absentee ballots, disproportionately used by white voters, were exempted from the voter ID requirement. The legislative record actually justified the elimination of one of the two days of Sunday voting because “counties with Sunday voting in 2014 were disproportionately black” and “disproportionately Democratic.”


The documents acceptable for proving voters’ identity in North Carolina were the ones disproportionately held by whites, such as driver’s licenses, U.S. passports, and veteran and military IDs, and the ones that were left out were the ones often held by poor minority voters, such as student IDs, government employee IDs and public assistance IDs. The Texas voter ID law was designed the same way: There, officials accepted concealed-weapon licenses but not student or state employee IDs. The Texas legislature was repeatedly advised of the likely effect on minority voters but rebuffed nearly all amendments that would have eased its harsh impact.​

So get a Fn ID!!! What's so hard about minorities getting an ID? Are you making the claim that whites are more intelligent than blacks? Has any blacks with proper identification been denied a Voter-ID?

If people don't want to go through the trouble of getting a Voter-ID, then chances are they don't really care about voting. And what, some blacks can only vote after they go to church? We have voting on one day--election day. That's when we vote and it's never been a problem.

The problem is not much different than the poll tax. Laws have been made that deliberately target certain groups for disenfranchisment. That was made quite clear in NC's court case. Why do you support this?

How hard is it (or expensive is it) for some people to get an "acceptable" id?

Well Actually, It’s Pretty Hard for Some People to Get a Photo ID So They Can Vote #ABLC

In Texas, for example, the cost of traveling to the nearest Department of Public Safety office, Texas’ version of the DMV, can be burdensome: Of the 254 counties in Texas, 78 do not have a permanent DPS office. In some communities along the Mexican border, the nearest DPS office is between 100 and 125 miles away. And in rural communities in other states, the DMV offices are few and far between.


That means a person without a driver’s license is going to have to rely on a family member or a friend to drive them to the DMV (or, in Texas, the DPS) in order to get a photo ID card.

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And then there are financial constraints.


Oftentimes, people don’t even have the money to pay for the underlying documentation needed to get a photo ID card. Getting a photo ID invariably requires proof of identification; usually, that means you need your birth certificate. But what if you don’t have your birth certificate? Then you have to contact whatever government office is in charge of that sort of thing to get a copy of it. And that can be a real pain in the ass for a lot of reasons.


For that matter, a lot of birth certificates have mistakes on them. If your name is spelled wrong, then you have to go through a whole rigamarole to get that fixed before you can get your ID card.


Some people have never been issued a birth certificate. A lot of elderly Black folks, for example, were birthed by midwives at home. They don’t have birth certificates.


A lot of rural folks—Black, white, Latino, whatever—were born on farms. They don’t have birth certificates either.


And did you know that in 2010, the birth certificates of all American citizens born in Puerto Rico expired? Because they did. So if you were born in Puerto Rico and you need a birth certificate, well, good luck with that. Sure, you can pay five bucks to get a new one—and let’s not forget that for some people, like low-income folks or homeless folks, even five dollars is five dollars too much—but guess what you need in order to get a new birth certificate?


If you guessed “a photo ID card,” give yourself a pat on the back.


So if you’re Puerto Rican and you don’t have a photo ID or a driver’s license, you have to get a copy of your birth certificate from Puerto Rico. But in order to get your birth certificate, you have to have a photo ID. It’s a vicious circle. (And this sort of problem doesn’t exist only in Puerto Rico. In Texas, for example, in order to get a certified copy of your birth certificate, you need an ID card. And in order to get an ID card, you need a certified copy of your birth certificate. And round and round we go.)


If you’re trying to vote in a state where you live but weren’t born, simply trying to acquire a copy of your out-of-state birth certificate can be prohibitively expensive.


In the Texas voter ID litigation, one plaintiff testified that Louisiana wanted to charge him more than $80 for a copy of his birth certificate. Another plaintiff decided against obtaining his birth certificate from New Jersey, because that state wanted a $30 fee he didn’t have.

The bottom line is this: Voting is a fundamental right. Voting isn’t like buying beer, or entering a government building, or buying a gun. Voting is a civic duty that many Americans take seriously. And many Americans are being denied their right to vote in states where the people in power are afraid that the changing population demographics might squeeze them out of existence.​

The Challenge of Obtaining Voter Identification

The 11 percent of eligible voters who lack the required photo ID must travel to a designated government office to obtain one. Yet many citizens will have trouble making this trip. In the 10 states with restrictive voter ID laws:

• Nearly 500,000 eligible voters do not have access to a vehicle and live more than 10 miles from the nearest state ID-issuing office open more than two days a week. Many of them live in rural areas with dwindling public transportation options.
• More than 10 million eligible voters live more than 10 miles from their nearest state ID-issuing office open more than two days a week.
• 1.2 million eligible black voters and 500,000 eligible Hispanic voters live more than 10 miles from their nearest ID-issuing office open more than two days a week. People of color are more likely to be disenfranchised by these laws since they are less likely to have photo ID than the general population.
• Many ID-issuing offices maintain limited business hours. For example, the office in Sauk City, Wisconsin is open only on the fifth Wednesday of any month. But only four months in 2012 — February, May, August, and October — have five Wednesdays. In other states — Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, and Texas — many part-time ID-issuing offices are in the rural regions with the highest concentrations of people of color and people in poverty.

More than 1 million eligible voters in these states fall below the federal poverty line and live more than 10 miles from their nearest ID-issuing office open more than two days a week. These voters may be particularly affected by the significant costs of the documentation required to obtain a photo ID. Birth certificates can cost between $8 and $25. Marriage licenses, required for married women whose birth certificates include a maiden name, can cost between $8 and $20. By comparison, the notorious poll tax — outlawed during the civil rights era — cost $10.64 in current dollars.


The result is plain: Voter ID laws will make it harder for hundreds of thousands of poor Americans to vote. They place a serious burden on a core constitutional right that should be universally available to every American citizen.
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Like I said earlier, if you took any one of these people, told them they had a check for $1,000 waiting for them across the state somewhere, and all they needed was a government ID to claim that check, they would have that ID in 24 hours and be at the other end of that state the same day they got their ID.

Some don't have five dollars? There is a simple solution to that. Get a job at McDonald's and quit after you work a half of a day. You will have your five bucks and then some for gas to get the ID.

That is nothing more than your opinion and a hell of a lot of stereotyping.