Rigged Elections and Voter Fraud - how common is fraud? Not very.

[francoHFW]

Brainwashed^^. There is no voter fraud. Period.

Yeah, you lefties are calling it "busing people around".

What ridiculous bs story is that, dupe? link?

Just for you, shitstain.

Total bs, what a gd idiot. Will never work again...

I don't think you care if he ever work again. He served the purpose.

Big mouth BSer. How come the questions are never related with this BS RW bs propaganda?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

How it's not?

To get voter ID doesn't cost me anything. And if doesn't cost you anything, it's the same for both of us. And if doesn't cost anyone anything, than its the same for everyone.

The problem is that Republicans are so much more intelligent than Democrats, so things that seem so easy for us are very difficult for liberals. You know.....like getting a job and all that.

That's why it's mostly liberals that get gunned down by cops. We Republicans are intelligent enough to listen to a police officers orders, so we don't get shot. Liberals get shot, but can't figure out why just yet.

It's why nearly the entire country had to get rid of punch card ballots after the Al Gore loss. Republicans are smart enough to punch a hole in a stupid card--Democrats were not.

So I guess it's just the situation you have to face when you are superior to others.

 

[bravoactual]

Again, it is still MATH.

You don't have to understand it. You just have to know it is real.

That's the problem with you liberals, you don't understand it. You just repeat what you were brainwashed into repeating. You can't give reasons because there are none and you weren't programmed to give any.

On the contrary, I think they understand it very well.

As long there is no ID law, there is a room for voter fraud which is hard to expose, and even then, it's too late do do anything about it. That's why they're resisting those laws that will make it harder for them to cheat, and will bring punishment for something they could get away with today easily.

Voter Fraud, is a Statistical Rarity. Epic Fail.

If it happens it suppose to be eliminated. What's wrong about that?

As my Late Mother used to say, "What if a bear was to come?"

You are asking a question about something, that as a verifiable event occurs less than .000000001% of the time.

Voter Fraud is a Statistical Anomaly. You cannot eliminate something that as a rule does not occur, especially when the only means by which you attempting trying to make that elimination is by denying U.S. Citizens their Constitutionally Protected Right to Vote.

Especially when the Citizens being targeted for restrictive I.D. Laws are Minorities that have historically been denied their Constitutionally Protected Right to Vote. Vote I.D. Laws are NOT applied fairly and equally throughout the Population as a whole, but targeted against demographic groups who historically vote Democratic.

You cannot deny a Person or Persons their Constitutionally Protected Right to Vote because you do not like the Political Party they vote for, nor can that Right be denied based on Race, Religion, Ethnic Background, Gender, Gender Identity or Country of Origin. Please consult the United States Constitution, the 14th. Amendment, the Equal Protection Clause if you do not understand that.

There is no verifiable proof of you claim. There is Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, Seventh, Eighth, Ninth, and Tenth Hearsay which provides only conjecture, contention and the vaguest of vague, remotest of the remote isolated possibility of something that might, maybe happen.

You do not offer subjective proof. You have none. There is no proof whatsoever of Millions of Undocumented Workers flooding this country to vote in November...no proof just words that have no basis in reality.

 

[bravoactual]

As long there is no ID law, there is a room for voter fraud which is hard to expose, and even then, it's too late do do anything about it. That's why they're resisting those laws that will make it harder for them to cheat, and will bring punishment for something they could get away with today easily.

Nice try making racist insane rationalizations with a likeminded Jim Crow law fan of yours.

In-person voter impersonation fraud is the easiest thing in the world to catch. That is why it is nonexistent in the overwhelming majority of elections.

What's racist about having law that is the same for everyone equally?

If you disenfranchise 250,000 people stop one person from successfully committing in-person voter impersonation fraud, then you are an idiot, or a florid racist.

There really aren't too many other alternatives.

Explain how the law disenfranchises anyone.

The unfairly targets Minorities. African-Americans, Hispanic-Americans, Muslim-Americans or State Supreme Courts have held.

 

[bravoactual]

As long there is no ID law, there is a room for voter fraud which is hard to expose, and even then, it's too late do do anything about it. That's why they're resisting those laws that will make it harder for them to cheat, and will bring punishment for something they could get away with today easily.

Nice try making racist insane rationalizations with a likeminded Jim Crow law fan of yours.

In-person voter impersonation fraud is the easiest thing in the world to catch. That is why it is nonexistent in the overwhelming majority of elections.

What's racist about having law that is the same for everyone equally?

It isn't the same for everyone, equally, idiot.

How it's not?

To get voter ID doesn't cost me anything. And if doesn't cost you anything, it's the same for both of us. And if doesn't cost anyone anything, than its the same for everyone.

You have never paid for a Driver's License Ever Right????? You have never paid for Birth Certificate Before Right?????

 

[bravoactual]

As long there is no ID law, there is a room for voter fraud which is hard to expose, and even then, it's too late do do anything about it. That's why they're resisting those laws that will make it harder for them to cheat, and will bring punishment for something they could get away with today easily.

Nice try making racist insane rationalizations with a likeminded Jim Crow law fan of yours.

In-person voter impersonation fraud is the easiest thing in the world to catch. That is why it is nonexistent in the overwhelming majority of elections.

What's racist about having law that is the same for everyone equally?

The Law unfairly targets Minority Communities.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Voter Fraud is a Statistical Anomaly. You cannot eliminate something that as a rule does not occur, especially when the only means by which you attempting trying to make that elimination is by denying U.S. Citizens their Constitutionally Protected Right to Vote.

Especially when the Citizens being targeted for restrictive I.D. Laws are Minorities that have historically been denied their Constitutionally Protected Right to Vote. Vote I.D. Laws are NOT applied fairly and equally throughout the Population as a whole, but targeted against demographic groups who historically vote Democratic.

You cannot deny a Person or Persons their Constitutionally Protected Right to Vote because you do not like the Political Party they vote for, nor can that Right be denied based on Race, Religion, Ethnic Background, Gender, Gender Identity or Country of Origin. Please consult the United States Constitution, the 14th. Amendment, the Equal Protection Clause if you do not understand that.

Nobody's Constitutional rights are being affected. You have the Constitutional right to own a firearm, but you have to pass a background check before you are legally allowed to buy one. You have a Constitutional right to free speech, but that doesn't mean you can yell FIRE in a movie theater.

Rights do come with limitations and requirements, so by legislating that somebody must prove who they are to vote is not taking away anybody's Constitutional right. Furthermore, nowhere in the Constitution does it state voting has to be made for your convenience.

You cannot legally buy or be in the possession of a gun if you are a convicted felon. Since blacks by percentage have way more felons than whites, is that taking away constitutional rights away from blacks?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The Law unfairly targets Minority Communities.

How?

 

[Tilly]

The Law unfairly targets Minority Communities.

How?

It's an absurd lie pushed by those who want to continue cheating.

...Finally, some have claimed that strong voter ID laws are racist, because they disproportionately impact minorities and would prevent minorities from voting. As a black person, I’m naturally interested in this claim. Thankfully, it turns out to be false. The Heritage Foundation has shown that black voter turnout actually increased after North Carolina passed its voter ID law....

Voter Fraud Is Real. Here’s The Proof

 

[RealDave]

Tell ya what, let's require proof of citizenship and proper ID for one election and see what happens to the numbers showing up to vote. Deal?

You wish. Why do you insisting on cheating to try to win elections?

 

[RealDave]

The Law unfairly targets Minority Communities.

How?

There are 10-12% of eligible voters that do not have a proper photo ID. These people ate disproportionately poor & thereby disproportionately minority who tend to vote Democrat.

 

[RealDave]

LOL The OP's article tries to sell there is no voter fraud then tries to point out there is republican voter fraud. What a waste of 10 minutes reading that garbage

How many verified cases of voter fraud have their been in the last several elections?

Who knows? I know right now there are at least large investigations going on, Texas, Indiana and I believe NC...every time it's something to do with absentee balloting issues. Make it a law, show and ID to vote and don't even try people don't have an ID, I'm sick of hearing that lunacy, one cannot function w/o a valid ID. That's just a fact

Three investigations - millions of votes. Investigations that have not yet rooted out a problem. And we need to change the laws as a result of investigations only?

I said get an ID and vote, it's not rocket science. Is it? Oh but poor black people are too stupid to get an ID? Give me a break, they need ID to function

It is not about why some people will no longer vote. It because your party knows this & erects a hurdle for the purpose of suppressing the vote. You know it. Your party leaders know it.

 

[OKTexas]

Tell ya what, let's require proof of citizenship and proper ID for one election and see what happens to the numbers showing up to vote. Deal?

You wish. Why do you insisting on cheating to try to win elections?

Poor thing, following the Constitution and only allowing verified citizens to vote one time, is not cheating.

 

[OKTexas]

The Law unfairly targets Minority Communities.

How?

There are 10-12% of eligible voters that do not have a proper photo ID. These people ate disproportionately poor & thereby disproportionately minority who tend to vote Democrat.

And of course that makes them too stupid to get a free ID, right?

 

[Coyote]

The Law unfairly targets Minority Communities.

How?

Getting a photo ID so you can vote is easy. Unless you’re poor, black, Latino or elderly.

Supporters say that everyone should easily be able to get a photo ID and that the requirement is needed to combat voter fraud. But many election experts say that the process for obtaining a photo ID can be far more difficult than it looks for hundreds of thousands of people across the country who do not have the required photo identification cards. Those most likely to be affected are elderly citizens, African Americans, Hispanics and low-income residents.

“A lot of people don’t realize what it takes to obtain an ID without the proper identification and papers,” said Abbie Kamin, a lawyer who has worked with the Campaign Legal Center to help Texans obtain the proper identification to vote. “Many people will give up and not even bother trying to vote.”

A federal court in Texas found that 608,470 registered voters don’t have the forms of identification that the state now requires for voting. For example, residents can vote with their concealed-carry handgun licenses but not their state-issued student university IDs.

Across the country, about 11 percent of Americans do not have government-issued photo identification cards, such as a driver’s license or a passport, according to Wendy Weiser of the Democracy Program at the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University School of Law.
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Courts are finally pointing out the racism behind voter ID laws

In North Carolina, the legislature requested racial data on the use of electoral mechanisms, then restricted all those disproportionately used by blacks, such as early voting, same-day registration and out-of-precinct voting. Absentee ballots, disproportionately used by white voters, were exempted from the voter ID requirement. The legislative record actually justified the elimination of one of the two days of Sunday voting because “counties with Sunday voting in 2014 were disproportionately black” and “disproportionately Democratic.”


The documents acceptable for proving voters’ identity in North Carolina were the ones disproportionately held by whites, such as driver’s licenses, U.S. passports, and veteran and military IDs, and the ones that were left out were the ones often held by poor minority voters, such as student IDs, government employee IDs and public assistance IDs. The Texas voter ID law was designed the same way: There, officials accepted concealed-weapon licenses but not student or state employee IDs. The Texas legislature was repeatedly advised of the likely effect on minority voters but rebuffed nearly all amendments that would have eased its harsh impact.​

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

It's an absurd lie pushed by those who want to continue cheating.

...Finally, some have claimed that strong voter ID laws are racist, because they disproportionately impact minorities and would prevent minorities from voting. As a black person, I’m naturally interested in this claim. Thankfully, it turns out to be false. The Heritage Foundation has shown that black voter turnout actually increased after North Carolina passed its voter ID law....

Voter Fraud Is Real. Here’s The Proof

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

There are 10-12% of eligible voters that do not have a proper photo ID. These people ate disproportionately poor & thereby disproportionately minority who tend to vote Democrat.

Okay, and that means what? It means they have to go and get an ID like the rest of us.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The Law unfairly targets Minority Communities.

How?

Getting a photo ID so you can vote is easy. Unless you’re poor, black, Latino or elderly.

Supporters say that everyone should easily be able to get a photo ID and that the requirement is needed to combat voter fraud. But many election experts say that the process for obtaining a photo ID can be far more difficult than it looks for hundreds of thousands of people across the country who do not have the required photo identification cards. Those most likely to be affected are elderly citizens, African Americans, Hispanics and low-income residents.

“A lot of people don’t realize what it takes to obtain an ID without the proper identification and papers,” said Abbie Kamin, a lawyer who has worked with the Campaign Legal Center to help Texans obtain the proper identification to vote. “Many people will give up and not even bother trying to vote.”

A federal court in Texas found that 608,470 registered voters don’t have the forms of identification that the state now requires for voting. For example, residents can vote with their concealed-carry handgun licenses but not their state-issued student university IDs.

Across the country, about 11 percent of Americans do not have government-issued photo identification cards, such as a driver’s license or a passport, according to Wendy Weiser of the Democracy Program at the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University School of Law.
​

Courts are finally pointing out the racism behind voter ID laws

In North Carolina, the legislature requested racial data on the use of electoral mechanisms, then restricted all those disproportionately used by blacks, such as early voting, same-day registration and out-of-precinct voting. Absentee ballots, disproportionately used by white voters, were exempted from the voter ID requirement. The legislative record actually justified the elimination of one of the two days of Sunday voting because “counties with Sunday voting in 2014 were disproportionately black” and “disproportionately Democratic.”


The documents acceptable for proving voters’ identity in North Carolina were the ones disproportionately held by whites, such as driver’s licenses, U.S. passports, and veteran and military IDs, and the ones that were left out were the ones often held by poor minority voters, such as student IDs, government employee IDs and public assistance IDs. The Texas voter ID law was designed the same way: There, officials accepted concealed-weapon licenses but not student or state employee IDs. The Texas legislature was repeatedly advised of the likely effect on minority voters but rebuffed nearly all amendments that would have eased its harsh impact.​

So get a Fn ID!!! What's so hard about minorities getting an ID? Are you making the claim that whites are more intelligent than blacks? Has any blacks with proper identification been denied a Voter-ID?

If people don't want to go through the trouble of getting a Voter-ID, then chances are they don't really care about voting. And what, some blacks can only vote after they go to church? We have voting on one day--election day. That's when we vote and it's never been a problem.

 

[Tilly]

The leftards are being patronisingly racist because they want to continue cheating.

...Polls consistently show that Americans — regardless of race or ethnicity — agree that requiring identification to vote is a common-sense way to ensure the integrity of our elections. The repeated narrative pushed by critics that this “suppresses” votes is a myth.

That claim has been disproven by the turnout results in states such as Georgia and Indiana, whose voter ID laws have been in place for years. In fact, these states experienced almost no problems despite apocalyptic predictions of opponents. The number of Americans who don’t already have an ID is minuscule — and every state with a voter ID law gives a free ID to anyone who can’t afford one....

ID laws do not suppress voters: Opposing view

 

[Tilly]

....
Faulty Data Fuel Challenges to Voter ID Laws
By Don Palmer

The use of photo identification to confirm the identity of voters serves an essential election security function in America’s polling places and boosts citizens’ confidence in the voting process.
In perhaps their most prevalent means of attack, opponents of laws requiring photo ID greatly exaggerate the number of voters without a valid ID.
In legislative, litigation, and public relations battles, opponents use wildly inflated numbers in an attempt both to portray these laws as burdensome and to gain partisan electoral advantage.
They cite a highly inflated number of voters who do not possess a driver’s license as the universal number of those who are not able to vote, even though, under all state photo ID laws, various other forms of ID, such as federal and state government IDs, U.S. passports, tribal IDs, or even employer-issued or university student IDs, are also acceptable....

Faulty Data Fuel Challenges to Voter ID Laws