Right Wingers eating crow on price of gasoline. $1.39 in Indiana.

butt hurt rw'ers :lol:

Reminds me of this

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brittv.jpg

What's amusing is that you Progressives actually think THAT is Barry...when THIS is who Barry Obama really is!
th


He's a safety helmet wearing...girl's bike riding...pussy!
FU! - This ain't no Girls Bike!
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Nice try at deflection, Boo...too stupid to know the difference between Iran and Iraq...weren't you?

Nope. You said it not me. ". Force was authorized because the Iraqis were violating sanctions they had agreed to at the end of the first Gulf War. As for the "threat" posed by Saddam Hussein and WMD's? He had already used them against Iran and his own people." But that still was not a reason listed in section of the resolution to authorize military force against Iraq. Makes you the stupid one. Can't remember what you posted?
That is blatantly false. His repression of his own people and the violations of the UN agreement were both listed as reasons for military force among many others:

Text - H.J.Res.114 - 107th Congress (2001-2002): Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002

I think you are confusing the act that authorities war with Iraq and the one that authorities actions against terrorists.

I'm not confusing anything. You are. The first section does not authorize military action. Sec. 3 does and it lists the reasons. From your link.

SEC. 3. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) Authorization.--The President is authorized to use the Armed
Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and
appropriate in order to--
(1) defend the national security of the United States
against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq.

(b) Presidential Determination.--In connection with the exercise of
the authority granted in subsection (a) to use force the President
shall, prior to such exercise or as soon thereafter as may be feasible,
but no later than 48 hours after exercising such authority, make
available to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the
President pro tempore of the Senate his determination that--
(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic or
other peaceful means alone either (A) will not adequately
protect the national security of the United States against the
continuing threat posed by Iraq or (B) is not likely to lead to
enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq; and
(2) acting pursuant to this joint resolution is consistent
with the United States and other countries continuing to take
the necessary actions against international terrorist and
terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations,
or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the
terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.

(c) War Powers Resolution Requirements.--
(1) Specific statutory authorization.--Consistent with
section 8(a)(1) of the War Powers Resolution, the Congress
declares that this section is intended to constitute specific
statutory authorization within the meaning of section 5(b) of
the War Powers Resolution.
(2) Applicability of other requirements.--Nothing in this
joint resolution supersedes any requirement of the War Powers
Resolution.
The first section is the reasons. That is why it is nothing more than a list of 'whereas' statements.

The section cited includes:
enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq

And you directly stated:
You said it not me. "Force was authorized because the Iraqis were violating sanctions they had agreed to at the end of the first Gulf War. As for the "threat" posed by Saddam Hussein and WMD's? He had already used them against Iran and his own people." But that still was not a reason listed in section of the resolution to authorize military force against Iraq. Makes you the stupid one. Can't remember what you posted?

And the security resolution in question directly dealt with weapon programs.

The first section also include this:
Whereas on September 12, 2002, President Bush committed the United
States to ``work with the United Nations Security Council to meet
our common challenge'' posed by Iraq and to ``work for the necessary
resolutions,'' while also making clear that ``the Security Council
resolutions will be enforced, and the just demands of peace and
security will be met, or action will be unavoidable'';

The Bush administration signed onto Res. 1441 and it was being enforced at the time. IN it we agree that if the inspector reported any interference by Iraq the UNSC would reconvene to determine the next step. The inspectors did not report any interference but President Bush made his decision to renege on that obligation.

http://www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/documents/1441.pdf

The first section also had:
Whereas the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 (Public Law 105-338) expressed
the sense of Congress that it should be the policy of the United
States to support efforts to remove from power the current Iraqi
regime and promote the emergence of a democratic government to
replace that regime;

Where that act had no authorization for military action.
And?

That is irrelevant to the fact that those were reasons the congress enacted the law and it gave authorization for military force.
 
Papageo 13082974
As far as Trump, why in the hell would you think I'd vote for Trump?

So if Trump is GOP candidate you won't vote for him. That's interesting. You said Obama was Putin's Bitch and then you post a NY Post report from September that declares the U.S. No longer the world's superpower. Russia is. Putin entered the fight late in Syria and leads a coalition of three. The U.S. Leads a coalition of dozens. And Russia is not involved in the fight against daesh terrorist scum in Iraq. Daesh is losing big time in Iraq and they are having setback after setback in Syria long before Putin entered Syria.

That NY Post op-ed you cited is grossly an un-American opinionated potshot at Obama that is already in two months proven to be absurd.

If you are absurd enough to post that crap you just might be absurd enough to vote for Trump should he win the nomination.
 
Papageo 13082974
As far as Trump, why in the hell would you think I'd vote for Trump?

So if Trump is GOP candidate you won't vote for him. That's interesting. You said Obama was Putin's Bitch and then you post a NY Post report from September that declares the U.S. No longer the world's superpower. Russia is. Putin entered the fight late in Syria and leads a coalition of three. The U.S. Leads a coalition of dozens. And Russia is not involved in the fight against daesh terrorist scum in Iraq. Daesh is losing big time in Iraq and they are having setback after setback in Syria long before Putin entered Syria.

That NY Post op-ed you cited is grossly an un-American opinionated potshot at Obama that is already in two months proven to be absurd.

If you are absurd enough to post that crap you just might be absurd enough to vote for Trump should he win the nomination.

I don't party line, I vote for the best candidate which means I will again vote third party as I did in 2008. I can't vote for stupid, McCain, Obama, Trump, Hillary are all too far out of touch with America.

Putin has made Obama look bad at every turn. I hate Putin, he is a thug and he makes our President look like an idiot. We have to go back to Carter to look as foolish at foreign policy.

Calling the President out on bad policy is not unAmerican, you nutters are pathetic.
 
Nope. You said it not me. ". Force was authorized because the Iraqis were violating sanctions they had agreed to at the end of the first Gulf War. As for the "threat" posed by Saddam Hussein and WMD's? He had already used them against Iran and his own people." But that still was not a reason listed in section of the resolution to authorize military force against Iraq. Makes you the stupid one. Can't remember what you posted?
That is blatantly false. His repression of his own people and the violations of the UN agreement were both listed as reasons for military force among many others:

Text - H.J.Res.114 - 107th Congress (2001-2002): Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002

I think you are confusing the act that authorities war with Iraq and the one that authorities actions against terrorists.

I'm not confusing anything. You are. The first section does not authorize military action. Sec. 3 does and it lists the reasons. From your link.

SEC. 3. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) Authorization.--The President is authorized to use the Armed
Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and
appropriate in order to--
(1) defend the national security of the United States
against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq.

(b) Presidential Determination.--In connection with the exercise of
the authority granted in subsection (a) to use force the President
shall, prior to such exercise or as soon thereafter as may be feasible,
but no later than 48 hours after exercising such authority, make
available to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the
President pro tempore of the Senate his determination that--
(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic or
other peaceful means alone either (A) will not adequately
protect the national security of the United States against the
continuing threat posed by Iraq or (B) is not likely to lead to
enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq; and
(2) acting pursuant to this joint resolution is consistent
with the United States and other countries continuing to take
the necessary actions against international terrorist and
terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations,
or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the
terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.

(c) War Powers Resolution Requirements.--
(1) Specific statutory authorization.--Consistent with
section 8(a)(1) of the War Powers Resolution, the Congress
declares that this section is intended to constitute specific
statutory authorization within the meaning of section 5(b) of
the War Powers Resolution.
(2) Applicability of other requirements.--Nothing in this
joint resolution supersedes any requirement of the War Powers
Resolution.
The first section is the reasons. That is why it is nothing more than a list of 'whereas' statements.

The section cited includes:
enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq

And you directly stated:
You said it not me. "Force was authorized because the Iraqis were violating sanctions they had agreed to at the end of the first Gulf War. As for the "threat" posed by Saddam Hussein and WMD's? He had already used them against Iran and his own people." But that still was not a reason listed in section of the resolution to authorize military force against Iraq. Makes you the stupid one. Can't remember what you posted?

And the security resolution in question directly dealt with weapon programs.

The first section also include this:
Whereas on September 12, 2002, President Bush committed the United
States to ``work with the United Nations Security Council to meet
our common challenge'' posed by Iraq and to ``work for the necessary
resolutions,'' while also making clear that ``the Security Council
resolutions will be enforced, and the just demands of peace and
security will be met, or action will be unavoidable'';

The Bush administration signed onto Res. 1441 and it was being enforced at the time. IN it we agree that if the inspector reported any interference by Iraq the UNSC would reconvene to determine the next step. The inspectors did not report any interference but President Bush made his decision to renege on that obligation.

http://www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/documents/1441.pdf

The first section also had:
Whereas the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 (Public Law 105-338) expressed
the sense of Congress that it should be the policy of the United
States to support efforts to remove from power the current Iraqi
regime and promote the emergence of a democratic government to
replace that regime;

Where that act had no authorization for military action.
And?

That is irrelevant to the fact that those were reasons the congress enacted the law and it gave authorization for military force.


Items under Section 3 were the specific reasons for the authorization. Nothing in Sec 1.
 
Obama has given out more exploration permits than any other president. I recently read that his policies have led to oil/gas production that is equal to finding an entire Iraq.

The Keystone disaster shows that Obama is not in the hip pocket of the Koch's.

Where did you read it? Was it when you had your head stuck up his ass licking the shit off his intestines?
 
butt hurt rw'ers :lol:

Reminds me of this

idsf2.gif


brittv.jpg

What's amusing is that you Progressives actually think THAT is Barry...when THIS is who Barry Obama really is!
th


He's a safety helmet wearing...girl's bike riding...pussy!
FU! - This ain't no Girls Bike!
1116.jpg

obama2.jpg

obama-gun-control.jpeg

idsf2.gif

It's a girl's bike and he's wearing old lady jeans...
Airforce One Boeing 747 ain't the little pussy thing you ride. Bush has a Girls Bike & crashed the Segway & US economy.
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butt hurt rw'ers :lol:

Reminds me of this

idsf2.gif


brittv.jpg

What's amusing is that you Progressives actually think THAT is Barry...when THIS is who Barry Obama really is!
th


He's a safety helmet wearing...girl's bike riding...pussy!
FU! - This ain't no Girls Bike!
1116.jpg

obama2.jpg

obama-gun-control.jpeg

idsf2.gif

It's a girl's bike and he's wearing old lady jeans...
Airforce One Boeing 747 ain't the little pussy thing you ride. Bush has a Girls Bike & crashed the Segway & US economy.
6731522-3x2-940x627.jpg

20051219-7_p121905kh-0628-772v.jpg

George-Bush-bike-ride.jpg


W. rides his mountain bike all over hell and gone, Kiss! He's not wearing mom jeans and he doesn't look like Urkel when he's doing it. Barry looks like what he is...a pussy!
steve-urkel.jpg
 
One of the reasons that Barry LOVES Airforce One is that it gives him a reason to wear his "tough guy" leather bomber jacket!
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That is blatantly false. His repression of his own people and the violations of the UN agreement were both listed as reasons for military force among many others:

Text - H.J.Res.114 - 107th Congress (2001-2002): Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002

I think you are confusing the act that authorities war with Iraq and the one that authorities actions against terrorists.

I'm not confusing anything. You are. The first section does not authorize military action. Sec. 3 does and it lists the reasons. From your link.

SEC. 3. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) Authorization.--The President is authorized to use the Armed
Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and
appropriate in order to--
(1) defend the national security of the United States
against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq.

(b) Presidential Determination.--In connection with the exercise of
the authority granted in subsection (a) to use force the President
shall, prior to such exercise or as soon thereafter as may be feasible,
but no later than 48 hours after exercising such authority, make
available to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the
President pro tempore of the Senate his determination that--
(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic or
other peaceful means alone either (A) will not adequately
protect the national security of the United States against the
continuing threat posed by Iraq or (B) is not likely to lead to
enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq; and
(2) acting pursuant to this joint resolution is consistent
with the United States and other countries continuing to take
the necessary actions against international terrorist and
terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations,
or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the
terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.

(c) War Powers Resolution Requirements.--
(1) Specific statutory authorization.--Consistent with
section 8(a)(1) of the War Powers Resolution, the Congress
declares that this section is intended to constitute specific
statutory authorization within the meaning of section 5(b) of
the War Powers Resolution.
(2) Applicability of other requirements.--Nothing in this
joint resolution supersedes any requirement of the War Powers
Resolution.
The first section is the reasons. That is why it is nothing more than a list of 'whereas' statements.

The section cited includes:
enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq

And you directly stated:
You said it not me. "Force was authorized because the Iraqis were violating sanctions they had agreed to at the end of the first Gulf War. As for the "threat" posed by Saddam Hussein and WMD's? He had already used them against Iran and his own people." But that still was not a reason listed in section of the resolution to authorize military force against Iraq. Makes you the stupid one. Can't remember what you posted?

And the security resolution in question directly dealt with weapon programs.

The first section also include this:
Whereas on September 12, 2002, President Bush committed the United
States to ``work with the United Nations Security Council to meet
our common challenge'' posed by Iraq and to ``work for the necessary
resolutions,'' while also making clear that ``the Security Council
resolutions will be enforced, and the just demands of peace and
security will be met, or action will be unavoidable'';

The Bush administration signed onto Res. 1441 and it was being enforced at the time. IN it we agree that if the inspector reported any interference by Iraq the UNSC would reconvene to determine the next step. The inspectors did not report any interference but President Bush made his decision to renege on that obligation.

http://www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/documents/1441.pdf

The first section also had:
Whereas the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 (Public Law 105-338) expressed
the sense of Congress that it should be the policy of the United
States to support efforts to remove from power the current Iraqi
regime and promote the emergence of a democratic government to
replace that regime;

Where that act had no authorization for military action.
And?

That is irrelevant to the fact that those were reasons the congress enacted the law and it gave authorization for military force.


Items under Section 3 were the specific reasons for the authorization. Nothing in Sec 1.
No they were not. Items in section 3 were GOALS - not reasons.

You are grasping at straws blind.
 
I'm not confusing anything. You are. The first section does not authorize military action. Sec. 3 does and it lists the reasons. From your link.

SEC. 3. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) Authorization.--The President is authorized to use the Armed
Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and
appropriate in order to--
(1) defend the national security of the United States
against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq.

(b) Presidential Determination.--In connection with the exercise of
the authority granted in subsection (a) to use force the President
shall, prior to such exercise or as soon thereafter as may be feasible,
but no later than 48 hours after exercising such authority, make
available to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the
President pro tempore of the Senate his determination that--
(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic or
other peaceful means alone either (A) will not adequately
protect the national security of the United States against the
continuing threat posed by Iraq or (B) is not likely to lead to
enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq; and
(2) acting pursuant to this joint resolution is consistent
with the United States and other countries continuing to take
the necessary actions against international terrorist and
terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations,
or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the
terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.

(c) War Powers Resolution Requirements.--
(1) Specific statutory authorization.--Consistent with
section 8(a)(1) of the War Powers Resolution, the Congress
declares that this section is intended to constitute specific
statutory authorization within the meaning of section 5(b) of
the War Powers Resolution.
(2) Applicability of other requirements.--Nothing in this
joint resolution supersedes any requirement of the War Powers
Resolution.
The first section is the reasons. That is why it is nothing more than a list of 'whereas' statements.

The section cited includes:
enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq

And you directly stated:
You said it not me. "Force was authorized because the Iraqis were violating sanctions they had agreed to at the end of the first Gulf War. As for the "threat" posed by Saddam Hussein and WMD's? He had already used them against Iran and his own people." But that still was not a reason listed in section of the resolution to authorize military force against Iraq. Makes you the stupid one. Can't remember what you posted?

And the security resolution in question directly dealt with weapon programs.

The first section also include this:
Whereas on September 12, 2002, President Bush committed the United
States to ``work with the United Nations Security Council to meet
our common challenge'' posed by Iraq and to ``work for the necessary
resolutions,'' while also making clear that ``the Security Council
resolutions will be enforced, and the just demands of peace and
security will be met, or action will be unavoidable'';

The Bush administration signed onto Res. 1441 and it was being enforced at the time. IN it we agree that if the inspector reported any interference by Iraq the UNSC would reconvene to determine the next step. The inspectors did not report any interference but President Bush made his decision to renege on that obligation.

http://www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/documents/1441.pdf

The first section also had:
Whereas the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 (Public Law 105-338) expressed
the sense of Congress that it should be the policy of the United
States to support efforts to remove from power the current Iraqi
regime and promote the emergence of a democratic government to
replace that regime;

Where that act had no authorization for military action.
And?

That is irrelevant to the fact that those were reasons the congress enacted the law and it gave authorization for military force.


Items under Section 3 were the specific reasons for the authorization. Nothing in Sec 1.
No they were not. Items in section 3 were GOALS - not reasons.

You are grasping at straws blind.
I'm not grasping at anything. There is a reason Sec 3 is called " AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES."
(a) Authorization.--The President is authorized to use the Armed
Forces of the United States.......

It's not rocket science.
 
The first section is the reasons. That is why it is nothing more than a list of 'whereas' statements.

The section cited includes:
enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq

And you directly stated:
You said it not me. "Force was authorized because the Iraqis were violating sanctions they had agreed to at the end of the first Gulf War. As for the "threat" posed by Saddam Hussein and WMD's? He had already used them against Iran and his own people." But that still was not a reason listed in section of the resolution to authorize military force against Iraq. Makes you the stupid one. Can't remember what you posted?

And the security resolution in question directly dealt with weapon programs.

The first section also include this:
Whereas on September 12, 2002, President Bush committed the United
States to ``work with the United Nations Security Council to meet
our common challenge'' posed by Iraq and to ``work for the necessary
resolutions,'' while also making clear that ``the Security Council
resolutions will be enforced, and the just demands of peace and
security will be met, or action will be unavoidable'';

The Bush administration signed onto Res. 1441 and it was being enforced at the time. IN it we agree that if the inspector reported any interference by Iraq the UNSC would reconvene to determine the next step. The inspectors did not report any interference but President Bush made his decision to renege on that obligation.

http://www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/documents/1441.pdf

The first section also had:
Whereas the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 (Public Law 105-338) expressed
the sense of Congress that it should be the policy of the United
States to support efforts to remove from power the current Iraqi
regime and promote the emergence of a democratic government to
replace that regime;

Where that act had no authorization for military action.
And?

That is irrelevant to the fact that those were reasons the congress enacted the law and it gave authorization for military force.


Items under Section 3 were the specific reasons for the authorization. Nothing in Sec 1.
No they were not. Items in section 3 were GOALS - not reasons.

You are grasping at straws blind.
I'm not grasping at anything. There is a reason Sec 3 is called " AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES."
(a) Authorization.--The President is authorized to use the Armed
Forces of the United States.......

It's not rocket science.
No it really is not rocket science. Keep your myopic view that reinforces what you have already concluded. I have no more interest in it.
 
Papageo 13089022
. I hate Putin, he is a thug and he makes our President look like an idiot.

Idiots are Americans that waste their vote. I'm glad you waste yours. How on god's earth has Putin made Obama look like an idiot, specifically if you believe Putin is a thug? Is Obama supposed to out-thug Putin so he is not seen by you as an idiot? You make absolutely no sense whatsoever. In your mind a thug makes an intelligent civilized man look like an idiot? How can that be, unless you appreciate thuggery more than intelligence and correct well thought out decisions.
 
FAQ2 13096922
I have no more interest in it.

You have no interest because you are on the losing side of the argument when the fact of UN Res 1441 is pointed out to you. No one can defend Bush's decision to kick inspectors out of Iraq and start an invasion to replace the diplomatic process that was in place and working the last month of 2002 and the first 3.5 months of 2003. Bush started a very dumb war all by his lone cowboy self that did not ever need to be started (in order to) (1) protect the security of the USA AND to enforce all relevant UNSC resolutions against Iraq. Those were the only two reasons Bush was given by Congressional authorization to start a war and both reasons had to be applied - not just one could suffice. You lose because 1441 was the most relevant UNSC resolution at the time and Bush ignorantly chose to defy it - not enforce it as Congress specifically required Bush43 to do.

So run from 1441. All Bush43 Iraq invasion defenders run from 1441. There is no other option but to run from it as you are doing right now.
 
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