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1 The closest relative is the “assault rifle,” which is a machine gun or “select fire” rifle that shoots rifle cartridges. 2 In most cases, “assault weapons” are functionally identical though less powerful than hunting rifles, but they are cosmetically similar to military guns.

Myth: Assault weapons are a serious problem in the U.S.
Fact: In 1994, before the Federal “assault weapons ban,” you were eleven (11) times more likely to be beaten to death than to be killed by an “assault weapon.” 3

Fact: In the first 17 years since the ban was lifted, murders declined 43%, violent crime 43%, rapes 27% and robberies 49%. 4

Fact: Nationally, “assault weapons” were used in 1.4% of crimes involving firearms and 0.25% of all violent crime before the enactment of any national or state “assault weapons” ban. In many major urban areas (San Antonio, Mobile, Nashville, etc.) and some entire states (Maryland, New Jersey, etc.) the rate is less than 0.1%. 5

Fact: Even weapons misclassified as “assault weapons” (common in the former Federal and California “assault weapons” confiscations) are used in less than 1% of all homicides. 6

Fact: Police reports show that “assault weapons” are a non-problem:

For California:

• Los Angeles: In 1998, of 538 documented gun incidents, only one (0.2%) involved an “assault weapon.”
• San Francisco: In 1998, only 2.2% of confiscated weapons were “assault weapons.”
• San Diego: Between 1988 and 1990, only 0.3% of confiscated weapons were “assault weapons.”
• “I surveyed the firearms used in violent crimes…assault-type firearms were the least of our worries.” 7

For the rest of the nation:

• Between 1980 and 1994, only 2% of confiscated guns were “assault weapons.” 8
• Just under 2% of criminals that commit violent crimes used “assault weapons.” 9

Fact: Only 1.4% of recovered crime weapons are models covered under the 1994 “assault weapons” ban. 10

Fact: In Virginia, no surveyed inmates had carried an “assault weapon” during the commission of their last crime, despite 20% admitting that they had previously owned such weapons. 11

Fact: Most “assault weapons” have no more firepower or killing capacity than the average hunting rifle and “play a small role in overall violent crime.” 12

Fact: Even the government agrees. “… the weapons banned by this legislation [1994 Federal Assault Weapons ban – since repealed] were used only rarely in gun crimes.” 13

Myth: Assault weapons are used in mass public shootings
Fact: A decade long study, covering 84 mass public shootings, found that pistols were used 60% of the time. Rifles were used 27%. 14 But that is all types of rifles, and so-called “assault weapons” (such as the AR-15 or civilian versions of the AK-47) are a subset of these.

Myth: Every 48 hours, an assault rifle is traced to crime in Maryland
Fact: This claim by Cease Fire Maryland includes firearms never used in crimes. Some examples of firearms traced include:

• 47 firearms found at private residence of a person who passed-away from natural causes, and which were never used in any crime.
• Firearms temporarily taken from owners under court Emergency Evaluation Petitions (the firearms were not used in crimes, but the judge wanted them confiscated until other issues are resolved).

Fact: This claim lacks perspective. During the same time period there were 163,101 violent crimes reported in Maryland. Even if the Cease Fire Maryland data was correct, they have connected assault rifles to just 0.4% of violent crimes during the same period.

Myth: One out of five police officers killed are killed with assault weapons 15
Fact: This “study” included firearms not on the former Federal “assault weapons”list. By including various legal firearms 16the report inflated the statistics nearly 100%.

Fact: Only 1% of police officers murdered were killed using “assault weapons.” They were twice as likely to be killed with their own handgun. 17

Fact: One 2006 federal government study found zero “assault weapons” were used to kill police officers. 18

Fact: Police don’t think it is a major problem, with 91% saying an assault weapons ban would have either no effect or a negative effect on violent crime. 19

20 and fewer than 2.5% of criminal claimed to use these firearms when committing crimes. 21

Fact: Criminals are over five times more likely to carry single shot handguns as they are to carry “assault weapons.” 22

Fact: “Assault rifles have never been an issue in law enforcement. I have been on this job for 25 years and I haven’t seen a drug dealer carry one. They are not used in crimes, they are not used against police officers.” 23

Fact: “Since police started keeping statistics, we now know that ‘assault weapons’ are/were used in an underwhelming 0.026 of 1% of crimes in New Jersey. This means that my officers are more likely to confront an escaped tiger from the local zoo than to confront an assault rifle in the hands of a drug-crazed killer on the streets.” 24

Thoughts: “Assault weapons” are large and unwieldy. Even misclassified handguns tend to be bigger than practical for concealed carry. Criminals (who, incidentally, disregard concealed carry laws) are unlikely to carry “assault weapons” and instead carry handguns, which are more easily concealed.

Myth: Assault weapons can be easily converted to machine guns
Fact: Firearms that can be “readily converted” are already prohibited by law. 25

Fact: None of the firearms on the list of banned weapons can be readily converted. 26

Fact: Only 0.15% of over 4,000 weapons confiscated in Los Angeles in one year were converted, and only 0.3% had any evidence of an attempt to convert. 27

Myth: Assault weapons are used in 16% of homicides
Fact: This figure was concocted to promote an “assault weapons” bill in New York. Their classification scheme included most firearms sold in the U.S. since 1987 (centerfire rifles, shotguns holding more than six cartridges, and handguns holding more than 10 rounds). By misclassifying most firearms as “assault weapons,” they expanded the scope of a non-problem.

Myth: The 1994 (former) Federal Assault Weapons Ban was effective
Fact: Murder rates were 19.3% higher when the Federal assault weapons ban was in force. 28

Fact: ” … we cannot clearly credit the ban with any of the nation’s recent drop in gun violence.” 29

Fact: The ban covered only 1.39% of the models of firearms on the market, so the ban’s effectiveness is automatically limited.

Fact: “The ban has failed to reduce the average number of victims per gun murder incident or multiple gunshot wound victims.” 30

Fact: “The public safety benefits of the 1994 ban have not yet been demonstrated.” 31

Fact: “The ban triggered speculative price increases and ramped-up production of the banned firearms … prior to the law’s implementation,” 32 and thus increased the total supply over the following decade.

Fact: The Brady Campaign claims that “After the 1994 ban, there were 18% fewer ‘assault weapons’ traced to crime in the first eight months of 1995 than were traced in the same period in 1994.” However they failed to note (and these are mentioned in the NIJ study) that:

1. “Assault weapons” traces were minimal before the ban (due to their infrequent use in crimes), so an 18% change enters the realm of statistical irrelevancy.

1. Fewer “assault weapons” were available to criminals because collectors bought-up the available supply before the ban.

Myth: States need to ban assault weapons
Fact: State assault weapons bans “did not significantly affect murder rates” in a study covering 1980-2009. 33

Myth: Assault weapons have only one purpose, to kill larges numbers of people
Fact: Of the millions of these firearms currently in civilian hands, they are routinely used for:

• Small game hunting (especially hog hunting in thick southern brush)
• Sports competitions such as “three gun shoots”
• Self-defense, both at home and during civil disorder situations such as the Rodney King riots in L.A. and Hurricane Katrina

Myth: Nobody needs an assault weapon
Fact: Their light weight and durability make them suitable for many types of hunting and are especially favored for wild boar hunting.

Fact: Their lighter recoil combined with light weight make them the preferred rifle with people of small stature or limited strength.

Fact: Recall the 1992 Rodney King riots in the anti-gun city of Los Angeles. Every major news network carried footage of Korean store owners sitting on the roofs of their stores, armed with “assault weapons.” 34 Those were the stores that did not get burned to the ground, and those were the people that were not dragged into the street and beaten by rioters. “You can’t get around the image of people shooting at people to protect their stores and it working. This is damaging to the [gun control] movement.” 35

Fact: There are many reasons people prefer to use these firearms:

• They are easy to operate
• They are very reliable in outdoor conditions (backpacking, hunting, etc.)
• They are accurate
• They are good for recreational and competitive target shooting
• They have value in many self-defense situations

Fact: There are many sports in which these firearms are required:

• Many hunters use these firearms (especially for wild boar hunting in the south)
• Three-gun target matches
• Camp Perry competitions, especially the Service Rifle events
• DCM/CMP competitions
• Bodyguard simulations

Fact: Ours is a Bill of Rights, not a Bill of Needs.


Notes:

1. It is worth noting that there are numerous different ‘legal’ definitions of “assault weapons”. A report from the Legal Community Against Violence showed no fewer than eight jurisdictions, anywhere from 19 to 75 banned firearms, six differing generic classification schemes and several legal systems for banning more firearms without specific legislative action. In other words, an “assault weapon” is whatever a politician deems it to be. ↩
2. Small Arms Identification and Operations Guide, U.S. Department of Defense. The exact statement from their manual is “short, compact, select-fire weapons that fires a cartridge intermediate in power between submachine gun and rifle cartridges.” ↩
3. Based on death rates reported by CDC and FBI Uniform Crime Statistics and estimating from state-level reporting on the percent of crimes involving types of firearms ↩
4. FBI Uniform Crime Statistics, Uniform Crime Reporting Statistics – UCR Data Online, 1995-2012 ↩
5. Targeting Guns, Gary Kleck, Aldine Transaction, 1997, compilation of 48 metropolitan police departments from 1980-1994 ↩
6. Based on state-level reporting from various states in 1993 during debates concerning the bill. ↩
7. S.C. Helsley, Assistant Director DOJ Investigation and Enforcement Branch, California, October 31, 1988 ↩
8. Targeting Guns, Gary Kleck, Aldine Transaction, 1997, compilation of 48 metropolitan police departments from 1980-1994 ↩
9. Targeting Guns, Gary Kleck, Aldine Transaction, 1997, calculated from Bureau of Justice Statistics, assault weapon recovery rates ↩
10. From statewide recovery report from Connecticut (1988-1993) and Pennsylvania (1989-1994) ↩
11. Criminal Justice Research Center, Department of Criminal Justice Services, 1994 ↩
12. House Panel Issue: Can Gun Ban Work, New York Times. April 7, 1989. P. A-15, quoting Philip McGuire, Handgun Control, Inc., ↩
13. Impacts of the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban: 1994-96, National Institute of Justice, March 1999 ↩
14. United States Active Shooter Events from 2000 to 2010: Training and Equipment Implications, Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training (ALERRT),Texas State University, 2013 ↩
15. This claim was made by the anti-gun Violence Policy Center in their 2003 report titled Officer Down ↩
16. The study included legal models of the SKS, Ruger Mini-14, and M1-Carbine, which were all in circulation before the federal “assault weapons” ban and which were excluded from the ban. ↩
17. Law Enforcement Officers Killed and Assaulted, FBI, 1994 ↩
18. Violent Encounters: A Study of Felonious Assaults on Our Nation’s Law Enforcement Officers, U.S. Department of Justice, August 2006 ↩
19. Gun Policy & Law Enforcement, PoliceOne, March 2013 ↩
20. Firearm Use by Offenders, Bureau of Justice Statistics, November 2001 ↩
21. Firearm Use by Offenders, Bureau of Justice Statistics, November 2001 ↩
22. Firearm Use by Offenders, Bureau of Justice Statistics, November 2001 ↩
23. Deputy Chief of Police Joseph Constance, Trenton, NJ, testimony – Senate Judiciary Committee in Aug 1993 ↩
24. Deputy Chief of Police Joseph Constance, Trenton, NJ, testimony – Senate Judiciary Committee in Aug 1993 ↩
25. U.S. Code title 26, subtitle E, Chapter 53, subchapter B, part 1, section 5845 ↩
26. BATF test as reported in the New York Times, April 3, 1989 ↩
27. Congressional testimony, Jimmy Trahin, Los Angeles Detective, Subcommittee on the Constitution of the Committee on the Judiciary, May 5, 1989, 101st Congress, 1st Session, Washington, DC, US Government Printing Office, May 5, 1989, p. 379 ↩
28. An examination of the effects of concealed weapons laws and assault weapons bans on state-level murder rates, Applied Economics Letters, Vol 21, No. 4 ↩
29. An Updated Assessment of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban: Impacts on Gun Markets and Gun Violence, 1994-2003, National Institute of Justice, June 2004 ↩
30. Impacts of the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban: 1994-96, National Institute of Justice, March 1999 ↩
31. Impacts of the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban: 1994-96, National Institute of Justice, March 1999 ↩
32. Impacts of the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban: 1994-96, National Institute of Justice, March 1999 ↩
33. An examination of the effects of concealed weapons laws and assault weapons bans on state-level murder rates, Applied Economics Letters, Vol 21, No. 4 ↩
34. Washington Post, May 2, 1992 ↩
35. Josh Sugarmann, executive director of the Violence Policy Center, Washington Post, May 18, 1993 ↩

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[HappyJoy]

Imagine if he had only a revolver, can you imagine the number of people the shooter wouldn't have killed?

O, AR-15s in France...0, fully automatic weapons in france...they still got them....how would you stop this guy....France has extreme gun control.......more than we have and all the gun control the gun grabbers dream about.....and terrorists on government, terrorists watch lists still got them....as do French criminals.....

And they have less civil rights than we do........

What does that have to do when I say an assault style does more damage than hand guns?

It doesn't...a .357 is a bigger round and you can get that in a 6 shot revolver...even in a stubby.....

That's awesome, name 5 mass shootings that involved nothing more than a single handgun that killed 30 people. Hell, that's too easy, name a mass shooting by a single hand gun that hit 80 or more people.

Can you name any mass shooting with an AR-15 that killed more than 30 people? Besides this one...asshole...try real hard.........

Thank you for proving my point. There were no mass shootings committed by people with hand guns over 30. What you are admitting to is that last nights shooting couldn't be committed by a single person with hand guns. Damn, I couldn't have said i any better myself.

Then, funny as all shit, you're post is practically begging me to prove your point for you. Double suck on your part.

 

[flacaltenn]

It blows my mind as to why he was not under surveillance when he had been questioned 3 Different times due to possible terror ties and threats.

I would say yes....he passed background checks and had a type G gun permit....

The incident started (as i understand) with FBI ALREADY engaging this guy OUTSIDE the club. It screams "busted baiting operation"....

What? What kind of fanatical Alex Jones bullshit is this, wingnut?

Early eye witness reports said there was a heavily police presence block away BEFORE the shooting broke out. FBI armed response was ON SCENE during the shooting.. You figure it out..

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/13/us/orlando-nightclub-shooting.html?_r=0

Mr. Mateen, 29, an American citizen whose parents were from Afghanistan, called 911 and talked about the Islamic State shortly before the massacre at the Pulse nightclub, the worst mass shooting in American history, Ronald Hopper, an assistant agent in charge of the F.B.I.’s Tampa Division, said at a news conference. Other federal officials said more explicitly that he had declared allegiance to the group.

The FBI needed a reason to explain their super-quick presence at the scene..
Easy to bury those little details once the spokespeople start spinning..

This is one of the most stupid, irresponsible, fucking clueless posts I've read in a long time. Jesus, libertarians are nothing more than moronic conspiracy theorists. Figures. Fuck off.

Well now you KNOW that that alluhu Akbar guy made a 9-11 call IMMEDIATELY before the attack and praised ISIS and that he was on the FBI radar. 9-11 operator alerts FBI -- they get their boots on run to the area.. The eye witness reports explain WHY the FBI got there DURING the shooting.

The fact that you choose to IGNORE this information and just carry out a PERSONAL grudge, tells everyone how concretely stupid and partisan YOU are. Says nothing about me..

 

[HappyJoy]

What? What kind of fanatical Alex Jones bullshit is this, wingnut?

Early eye witness reports said there was a heavily police presence block away BEFORE the shooting broke out. FBI armed response was ON SCENE during the shooting.. You figure it out..

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/13/us/orlando-nightclub-shooting.html?_r=0

Mr. Mateen, 29, an American citizen whose parents were from Afghanistan, called 911 and talked about the Islamic State shortly before the massacre at the Pulse nightclub, the worst mass shooting in American history, Ronald Hopper, an assistant agent in charge of the F.B.I.’s Tampa Division, said at a news conference. Other federal officials said more explicitly that he had declared allegiance to the group.

The FBI needed a reason to explain their super-quick presence at the scene..
Easy to bury those little details once the spokespeople start spinning..

This is one of the most stupid, irresponsible, fucking clueless posts I've read in a long time. Jesus, libertarians are nothing more than moronic conspiracy theorists. Figures. Fuck off.

The Virginia tech shooter..an Asian guy, killed 32 people with 2 pistols.......moron.....

Yeah, not even close. Thank you, I agree, I'm right.

You were just shown to be wrong...and claim victory....typical lefty.

How so? It took dual pistols to get over 30. What did a single AR15 do?

 

[Divine Wind]

If you're hung up on labels, that's fine. The general public calls them assault style weapons, including law enforcement so take it up with them, this line of argument is pointless.

Yes, they do. Disagreed on "this line of argument" since uninformed people rarely make reasoned decisions.

Example, you obviously don't know the difference between an assault weapon and an assault rifle. Is there any doubt the anti-gun mob would want the parents of this kid arrested for letting him hold an "assault weapon"?

 

[nat4900]

Early eye witness reports said there was a heavily armed police presence about a block away BEFORE the shooting broke out. FBI armed response was ON SCENE during the shooting.. You figure it out..

Moron, the police have always a greater presence during a Gay Pride event, because of racists like you.....with guns.

 

[HappyJoy]

It blows my mind as to why he was not under surveillance when he had been questioned 3 Different times due to possible terror ties and threats.

The incident started (as i understand) with FBI ALREADY engaging this guy OUTSIDE the club. It screams "busted baiting operation"....

What? What kind of fanatical Alex Jones bullshit is this, wingnut?

Early eye witness reports said there was a heavily police presence block away BEFORE the shooting broke out. FBI armed response was ON SCENE during the shooting.. You figure it out..

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/13/us/orlando-nightclub-shooting.html?_r=0

Mr. Mateen, 29, an American citizen whose parents were from Afghanistan, called 911 and talked about the Islamic State shortly before the massacre at the Pulse nightclub, the worst mass shooting in American history, Ronald Hopper, an assistant agent in charge of the F.B.I.’s Tampa Division, said at a news conference. Other federal officials said more explicitly that he had declared allegiance to the group.

The FBI needed a reason to explain their super-quick presence at the scene..
Easy to bury those little details once the spokespeople start spinning..

This is one of the most stupid, irresponsible, fucking clueless posts I've read in a long time. Jesus, libertarians are nothing more than moronic conspiracy theorists. Figures. Fuck off.

Well now you KNOW that that alluhu Akbar guy made a 9-11 call IMMEDIATELY before the attack and praised ISIS and that he was on the FBI radar. 9-11 operator alerts FBI -- they get their boots on run to the area.. The eye witness reports explain WHY the FBI got there DURING the shooting.

The fact that you choose to IGNORE this information and just carry out a PERSONAL grudge, tells everyone how concretely stupid and partisan YOU are. Says nothing about me..

You're a fucking nut. Provide some links to reputable sources. I realize I'm saying this to a nutjob, but please...seriously, reliable sources. Is this nothing more than a false flag? Are you eating Alex Jones Grape Nuts for breakfast, loon?

 

[2aguy]

O, AR-15s in France...0, fully automatic weapons in france...they still got them....how would you stop this guy....France has extreme gun control.......more than we have and all the gun control the gun grabbers dream about.....and terrorists on government, terrorists watch lists still got them....as do French criminals.....

And they have less civil rights than we do........

What does that have to do when I say an assault style does more damage than hand guns?

It doesn't...a .357 is a bigger round and you can get that in a 6 shot revolver...even in a stubby.....

That's awesome, name 5 mass shootings that involved nothing more than a single handgun that killed 30 people. Hell, that's too easy, name a mass shooting by a single hand gun that hit 80 or more people.

Can you name any mass shooting with an AR-15 that killed more than 30 people? Besides this one...asshole...try real hard.........

Thank you for proving my point. There were no mass shootings committed by people with hand guns over 30. What you are admitting to is that last nights shooting couldn't be committed by a single person with hand guns. Damn, I couldn't have said i any better myself.

Then, funny as all shit, you're post is practically begging me to prove your point for you. Double suck on your part.

And asshat...this is the only shooting with an AR-15 that went over 30...you are such an asshat......Luby's cafe, pistol, 28, Virginia Tech, pistol, 32.......


AR-15s this is the only one that went over 30 moron.....

out of 3,750,000 AR-15s in private hands.....only an asshat like you would think AR-15s are a problem looking at numbers like that...

Do you even realize that the entire category of Rifles on the FBI table 8 homicide table kill fewer people each year than knives, do....or clubs, or empty hands...each one of those murder more people year in and year out than all rifles do....

you are a moron.

 

[jknowgood]

Right wingers.....especially on this forum......Your choice is both simple and a tough one to make.

Either you continue to adamantly support the sale of assault weapons to maniacs....weapons whose ONLY purpose is to kill as many people as possible in the shortest amount of time...........OR

You employ some sanity and abandon this moronic notion that NO weapon should be outlawed so that you can "idealize' some stupid scenario that you must defend yourself from government troops......

If you have a conscience (and since most of you call yourselves "good Christians") you have a choice to make....Be tacitly complicit in mass murders....or change your attitude toward the sale of such lethal weapons,

By using the words "assault weapon" your creditability with those who know firearms drops to less than zero.

Killed 50 people with it....THAT is some assault weapon

That weapon didn't kill 50 people by itself, now did it?

Imagine if he had only a revolver, can you imagine the number of people the shooter wouldn't have killed?

Just think if you had a six shot revolver, and seven people came to assault you?

 

[flacaltenn]

The incident started (as i understand) with FBI ALREADY engaging this guy OUTSIDE the club. It screams "busted baiting operation"....

What? What kind of fanatical Alex Jones bullshit is this, wingnut?

Early eye witness reports said there was a heavily police presence block away BEFORE the shooting broke out. FBI armed response was ON SCENE during the shooting.. You figure it out..

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/13/us/orlando-nightclub-shooting.html?_r=0

Mr. Mateen, 29, an American citizen whose parents were from Afghanistan, called 911 and talked about the Islamic State shortly before the massacre at the Pulse nightclub, the worst mass shooting in American history, Ronald Hopper, an assistant agent in charge of the F.B.I.’s Tampa Division, said at a news conference. Other federal officials said more explicitly that he had declared allegiance to the group.

The FBI needed a reason to explain their super-quick presence at the scene..
Easy to bury those little details once the spokespeople start spinning..

This is one of the most stupid, irresponsible, fucking clueless posts I've read in a long time. Jesus, libertarians are nothing more than moronic conspiracy theorists. Figures. Fuck off.

Well now you KNOW that that alluhu Akbar guy made a 9-11 call IMMEDIATELY before the attack and praised ISIS and that he was on the FBI radar. 9-11 operator alerts FBI -- they get their boots on run to the area.. The eye witness reports explain WHY the FBI got there DURING the shooting.

The fact that you choose to IGNORE this information and just carry out a PERSONAL grudge, tells everyone how concretely stupid and partisan YOU are. Says nothing about me..

You're a fucking nut. Provide some links to reputable sources. I realize I'm saying this to a nutjob, but please...seriously, reliable sources. Is this nothing more than a false flag? Are you eating Alex Jones Grape Nuts for breakfast, loon?

You have a problem with the NY TIMES???

 

[2aguy]

The incident started (as i understand) with FBI ALREADY engaging this guy OUTSIDE the club. It screams "busted baiting operation"....

What? What kind of fanatical Alex Jones bullshit is this, wingnut?

Early eye witness reports said there was a heavily police presence block away BEFORE the shooting broke out. FBI armed response was ON SCENE during the shooting.. You figure it out..

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/13/us/orlando-nightclub-shooting.html?_r=0

Mr. Mateen, 29, an American citizen whose parents were from Afghanistan, called 911 and talked about the Islamic State shortly before the massacre at the Pulse nightclub, the worst mass shooting in American history, Ronald Hopper, an assistant agent in charge of the F.B.I.’s Tampa Division, said at a news conference. Other federal officials said more explicitly that he had declared allegiance to the group.

The FBI needed a reason to explain their super-quick presence at the scene..
Easy to bury those little details once the spokespeople start spinning..

This is one of the most stupid, irresponsible, fucking clueless posts I've read in a long time. Jesus, libertarians are nothing more than moronic conspiracy theorists. Figures. Fuck off.

Well now you KNOW that that alluhu Akbar guy made a 9-11 call IMMEDIATELY before the attack and praised ISIS and that he was on the FBI radar. 9-11 operator alerts FBI -- they get their boots on run to the area.. The eye witness reports explain WHY the FBI got there DURING the shooting.

The fact that you choose to IGNORE this information and just carry out a PERSONAL grudge, tells everyone how concretely stupid and partisan YOU are. Says nothing about me..

You're a fucking nut. Provide some links to reputable sources. I realize I'm saying this to a nutjob, but please...seriously, reliable sources. Is this nothing more than a false flag? Are you eating Alex Jones Grape Nuts for breakfast, loon?

Asswipe......I use left wing sources or the FBI and the CDC........

Here you go.....left wing Mother Jones......as anti freedom, anti gun as you get.....and mass shootings.......all the way back to 1982.....moron...

Here you go...the number of mass public shootings according to Mother Jones...rabid, anti gun, left wing news source.....not the NRA...


US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation


2015....4

2014....2

2013....5

2012....7

2011....3

2010....1

2009....4

2008....3

2007....4

2006....3

2005...2

2004....1

2003...1

2002 not listed so more than likely 0

2001....1

1999....5

1998...3

1997....2

1996....1

1995...1

1994...1

1993...4

1992...2

1991...3

1990...1

1989...2

1988....1

1987...1

1986...1

1985...0

1984...2

1983...0

1982...1
US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation



How many deaths on average according to Mother Jones...anti gun, uber left wing Mother Jones.......each year, well less than 73.

These are total deaths from all of the mass shootings in that given year...

2015......37
2014..... 9
2013..... 36
2012..... 72
2011..... 19
2010....9
2009...39
2008...18
2007...54
2006...21
2005...17
2004...5
2003...7
2002...not listed by mother jones
2001...5
2000...7

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf


Cars, Accidental deaths 2013......35,369

Poisons...accidental deaths 2013....38,851

Alcohol...accidental deaths 2013...29,001

gravity....accidental falling deaths 2013...30,208
Accidental drowning.....3,391
Accidental exposure to smoke, fire and flames.....2,760

 

[Crixus]

Early eye witness reports said there was a heavily armed police presence about a block away BEFORE the shooting broke out. FBI armed response was ON SCENE during the shooting.. You figure it out..

Don't know. The way you Democrats have been acting at policy rallies lately they were likely there so y'all didn't mace kids or beat up woman.
Moron, the police have always a greater presence during a Gay Pride event, because of racists like you.....with guns.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Early eye witness reports said there was a heavily armed police presence about a block away BEFORE the shooting broke out. FBI armed response was ON SCENE during the shooting.. You figure it out..

Moron, the police have always a greater presence during a Gay Pride event, because of racists like you.....with guns.

Gays are not a race....you daffy loon

 

[flacaltenn]

And I said NOTHING AT ALL -- about a "false flag" you screeching nidget.. I mentioned that FBI might have been handling this guy and lost control of it..

 

[HappyJoy]

What does that have to do when I say an assault style does more damage than hand guns?

It doesn't...a .357 is a bigger round and you can get that in a 6 shot revolver...even in a stubby.....

That's awesome, name 5 mass shootings that involved nothing more than a single handgun that killed 30 people. Hell, that's too easy, name a mass shooting by a single hand gun that hit 80 or more people.

Can you name any mass shooting with an AR-15 that killed more than 30 people? Besides this one...asshole...try real hard.........

Thank you for proving my point. There were no mass shootings committed by people with hand guns over 30. What you are admitting to is that last nights shooting couldn't be committed by a single person with hand guns. Damn, I couldn't have said i any better myself.

Then, funny as all shit, you're post is practically begging me to prove your point for you. Double suck on your part.

And asshat...this is the only shooting with an AR-15 that went over 30...you are such an asshat......Luby's cafe, pistol, 28, Virginia Tech, pistol, 32.......


AR-15s this is the only one that went over 30 moron.....

out of 3,750,000 AR-15s in private hands.....only an asshat like you would think AR-15s are a problem looking at numbers like that...

Do you even realize that the entire category of Rifles on the FBI table 8 homicide table kill fewer people each year than knives, do....or clubs, or empty hands...each one of those murder more people year in and year out than all rifles do....

you are a moron.

The AR15 made a record today for violence in this country and you're please as punch.

What was the most violent handgun incident? Was it Virginia Tech? What else?

 

[nat4900]

Not really. That argument is nothing more then a wall for your president to hide behind. It's clear now that his legacy is more important to him then dead American. Your choice to make is do you agree, or are you to scared to say your first half black president has yet again dropped the ball? Twice this guy was in FBI custody. That and he was on a watch list. Your president let him go so he didn't look racist. You still support the trailer and chief?

Yeah, morons like you are "correct".....Obama meets with the FBI on an hourly basis to check and who or what the FBI is doing.......How come Obama "forgot" to tell the FBI lay off on the Hillary investigation???

 

[HappyJoy]

Early eye witness reports said there was a heavily armed police presence about a block away BEFORE the shooting broke out. FBI armed response was ON SCENE during the shooting.. You figure it out..

Moron, the police have always a greater presence during a Gay Pride event, because of racists like you.....with guns.

Gays are not a race....you daffy loon

Racists are often bigots, but you should know this.

 

[2aguy]

O, AR-15s in France...0, fully automatic weapons in france...they still got them....how would you stop this guy....France has extreme gun control.......more than we have and all the gun control the gun grabbers dream about.....and terrorists on government, terrorists watch lists still got them....as do French criminals.....

And they have less civil rights than we do........

What does that have to do when I say an assault style does more damage than hand guns?

It doesn't...a .357 is a bigger round and you can get that in a 6 shot revolver...even in a stubby.....

That's awesome, name 5 mass shootings that involved nothing more than a single handgun that killed 30 people. Hell, that's too easy, name a mass shooting by a single hand gun that hit 80 or more people.

Can you name any mass shooting with an AR-15 that killed more than 30 people? Besides this one...asshole...try real hard.........

Thank you for proving my point. There were no mass shootings committed by people with hand guns over 30. What you are admitting to is that last nights shooting couldn't be committed by a single person with hand guns. Damn, I couldn't have said i any better myself.

Then, funny as all shit, you're post is practically begging me to prove your point for you. Double suck on your part.

There were no mass shootings committed by people with hand guns over 30

You mean except for Virginia tech...right....32 people killed with a hand gun...

Other than Orlando....name one mass shooting with an AR-15 that went over 30....asshat......

 

[HappyJoy]

What? What kind of fanatical Alex Jones bullshit is this, wingnut?

Early eye witness reports said there was a heavily police presence block away BEFORE the shooting broke out. FBI armed response was ON SCENE during the shooting.. You figure it out..

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/13/us/orlando-nightclub-shooting.html?_r=0

Mr. Mateen, 29, an American citizen whose parents were from Afghanistan, called 911 and talked about the Islamic State shortly before the massacre at the Pulse nightclub, the worst mass shooting in American history, Ronald Hopper, an assistant agent in charge of the F.B.I.’s Tampa Division, said at a news conference. Other federal officials said more explicitly that he had declared allegiance to the group.

The FBI needed a reason to explain their super-quick presence at the scene..
Easy to bury those little details once the spokespeople start spinning..

This is one of the most stupid, irresponsible, fucking clueless posts I've read in a long time. Jesus, libertarians are nothing more than moronic conspiracy theorists. Figures. Fuck off.

Well now you KNOW that that alluhu Akbar guy made a 9-11 call IMMEDIATELY before the attack and praised ISIS and that he was on the FBI radar. 9-11 operator alerts FBI -- they get their boots on run to the area.. The eye witness reports explain WHY the FBI got there DURING the shooting.

The fact that you choose to IGNORE this information and just carry out a PERSONAL grudge, tells everyone how concretely stupid and partisan YOU are. Says nothing about me..

You're a fucking nut. Provide some links to reputable sources. I realize I'm saying this to a nutjob, but please...seriously, reliable sources. Is this nothing more than a false flag? Are you eating Alex Jones Grape Nuts for breakfast, loon?

You have a problem with the NY TIMES???

I'm cool with the NY Times, what did it provide that I disagree with, loon?

 

[2aguy]

Early eye witness reports said there was a heavily armed police presence about a block away BEFORE the shooting broke out. FBI armed response was ON SCENE during the shooting.. You figure it out..

Moron, the police have always a greater presence during a Gay Pride event, because of racists like you.....with guns.

Gay isn't a race moron.....