Ron DeSantis 'Will Destroy Our Democracy,' Says Fascism Expert

[Skylar]

Re: DeSantis is a scary scary man. ... Yes - he should be considered scary to Progressives eveywhere in the same fashion that Churchill and Roosevelt were scary to Hitler and Mussolini. How dare he fight back against the fascist progressive machine, how dare he stand up for the average John Q. Citizen.

While the Trump era is finished IMHO - DeSantis may be the rising star. Apparently the Facists beleive so, as they are doubling down on their rhetoric and propaganda against him.

Again, private citizens choosing not to associate with you when you say something that offends them is as american as apple pie. And the beating heart of every evangelical pearl clutcher calling for the a boycott of whatever band they want to imagine is 'satantic'.

That's freedom in action. Individual people choosing to or choosing not to do business.

Using the power of the STATE to punish those who criticize your ilk? That's authoritarianism.

 

[JGalt]

Their pure hatred blinds them. It's only going to get worse as the election gets closer

The left is well aware that their Biden/Harris administration has turned out to be a dismal failure. They'll most likely strike out at anyone, in an attempt to shift the blame of their failure on those like DeSantis, Trump, or anyone else who disagrees with their vile ideology of socialism and perversion.

 

[Orangecat]

Fascism expert? Lulz. Some dupes will believe anything if they’re told to.

 

[Skylar]

If he beats Trump for the general election, all 'hell' will break loose. He is, after all, their latest demon threatening their 'democracy'

He won't beat Trump. Trump tossed a few soft balls over his deck and DeSantis' support plummeted 20 points.

Trump is going to be the 2024 nominee. And he's Biden's dream opponent: a proven loser that Biden beat by a landslide with comic ease. With Trump oozing beta-cuck energy ever since, whining about how he's a victim, how he was cheated, how he was taken advantage of.

Winners win. Losers give sniveling excuses why they lost.

And if by some strange turn of fate, DeSantis did win the nomination.....Trump would burn the GOP to the ground. Insisting it was fraud, that he was cheated, that it was all rigged. Just like he did in 2016 when he lost the Iowa primary to Cruz.

Its either Trump, or Trump goes to a third party.

 

[fncceo]

And like clockwork, conservatives cheer and defend DeSantis using the power of the state to openly punish Disney for criticizing him.

Demonstrating my point elegantly. DeSantis is only following the authoritarizan tendancies of his base. As they *delight* in using the power of the State to punish those criticizing conservatives.

So, you consider stripping a corporation of extra-ordinary rights to create their own, local, undemocratic government, to be a punishment?

Are you generally in favor of corporations having the right to create laws and excise taxes without elected representation?

 

[Skylar]

So, you consider stripping a corporation of extra-ordinary rights to create their own, local, undemocratic government, to be a punishment?

Are you generally in favor of corporations having the right to create laws and excise taxes without elected representation?

I consider using the power of the State to punish a business for exercising its free speech by criticizing DeSantis and his law .....to be authoritarianism.

I consider conservative's delight in seeing DeSantis using the power of the State to punish free speech critical of conservatives.....to be the truest demonstration of what conservatives ACTUALLY believe about free speech.

They don't give a fiddler's fuck about protecting speech. They care about using the power of the state to punish critics.

 

[Doug1943]

Ron DeSantis 'Will Destroy Our Democracy,' Says Fascism Expert​

By Ewan Palmer On 2/27/23 at 8:27 AM EST



DeSantis is a scary scary man. He really does remind me of Mussolini in many ways. He hates opposing opinions.

Does Mr DeSantis encourage his supporters to attend Leftist meetings and howl down the speaker, or attack the speaker?

 

[fncceo]

I consider using the power of the State to punish a business for exercising its free speech by criticizing DeSantis and his law .....to be authoritarianism.

I consider conservative's delight in seeing DeSantis using the power of the State to punish free speech critical of conservatives.....to be the truest demonstration of what conservatives ACTUALLY believe about free speech.

They don't give a fiddler's fuck about protecting speech. They care about using the power of the state to punish critics.

So, you don't intend to answer my question?

That's OK. I can see how it would be awkward for you.

 

[Skylar]

So, you don't intend to answer my question?

That's OK. I can see how it would be awkward for you

I answered your question directly....and told you EXACTLY what I think about DeSantis and his use of the power of the State to punish Disney for being critical of him.

If you don't like my answer, invent your own.

But you demonstrate my point about conservatives and their support of using the power of the State to punish those who criticize conservatives if you do.

Smiling....you've got an awkward decision to make, friend.

 

[Care4all]

I always thought you were one of the more sane liberal posters here

And that's the place "old people GO to die" and they did SO much better than my state of Michigan

His policies killed more citizens....unnecessary..... I was scared to death for my elderly parents and older sister living there! Prayed day and night for them!

My state of Maine and Florida have about the same percentage of senior citizens ....as a percentage... Maine had less seniors die from COVID 19.....

MAINE was strict as heck, with all kinds of covid restrictions, with complete industries shut down even.... We had 2900 covid deaths out of 1.3 million people...mostly seniors died.

extrapolated out to Florida's population of 21.5 million, about 48,000 people would have died in Florida from covid at the same rate of deaths as us.

Instead, Florida has had 87,000 deaths from covid. That's about 40,000 excess deaths, deaths over and above what they could have been with more covid restrictions in place....

Our state vacation industry are similar, Maine is Vacation Land....only our season is primarily summer and Fall and Florida's is winter and spring...7 times our state's population come here every year on vacation....so Maine too was faced with a lot of out of staters bringing covid in....if it were not for restrictions for covid put in....

Maine did lose a lot of business, but we saved a lot of citizen's lives.

 

[Skylar]

His policies killed more citizens....unnecessary..... I was scared to death for my elderly parents and older sister living there! Prayed day and night for them!

My state of Maine and Florida have about the same percentage of senior citizens as Florida....as a percentage Maine had less seniors die from COVID 19.....

MAINE was strict as heck, with all kinds of covid restrictions, with complete industries shut down even.... We had 2900 covid deaths out of 1.3 million people...mostly seniors died.

extrapolated out to Florida's population, about 48,000 people would have died in Florida from covid at the same rate of deaths as us.

Instead, Florida has had 87,000 deaths from covid. That's about 40,000 excess deaths, deaths over and above what they could have been with more covid restrictions in place....

Our state vacation industry are similar, Maine is Vacation Land....only our season is primarily summer and Fall and Florida's is winter and spring...7 times our state's population come here every year on vacation....so Maine too was faced with a lot of out of staters bringing covid in....if it were not for restrictions for covid put in....

Maine did lose a lot of business, but we saved a lot of citizen's lives.

Oh, absolutely.

California, Texas and Florida had fairly close rates of death per 1M for most of 2020. When DeSantis started pushing his 'Florida is the freeest state' .......they diverged quickly.

California now has 2500 deaths per 1 Million.....while Florida has more than 4000 deaths per 1 Million. 160% of California's per death rate.

DeSantis demonstrated he'll eagerly embrace lethal policies that kill his own citizens by the 10s of thousands....if it makes sense politically.

 

[CarsomyrPlusSix]

Ron DeSantis 'Will Destroy Our Democracy,'​

God that sounds amazing.

Fuck your democracy, it’s so trash.

 

[Care4all]

If you're receiving special benefits from the government. Benefits that not other company enjoys. It behooves you to not tick them off.

I was under the impression that, on principle, you folks were against corporate run governments without democratic mechanisms.

You are conflating two different issues in to one, to try to justify DeSantis's unconstitutional acts.

The special deal they made with Disney decades ago, if now a problem, then thru regular order and legislative process, that should be addressed.

What DeSantis did was unconstitutional.

He threatened and used his government power to Bully Disney, for speaking out about a government policy or action.

THAT IS THE PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE CONSTITUTION PROTECTS US FROM!!!

And DeSantis did this openly and boastfully and made certain all other businesses saw that he would not hesitate to unconstitutionally use his govt power to squash them and hurt them, if they ever constitutionally spoke out, against the DeSantis government.


What DeSantis did, was wrong, wrong, wrong! I don't care if he was a Democrat or Republican, what he did, was simply wrong.

 

[fncceo]

What DeSantis did was unconstitutional.

Then a challenge should be made at court.

 

[GreenBean]

Again, private citizens choosing not to associate with you when you say something that offends them is as american as apple pie. And the beating heart of every evangelical pearl clutcher calling for the a boycott of whatever band they want to imagine is 'satantic'.

That's freedom in action. Individual people choosing to or choosing not to do business.

Using the power of the STATE to punish those who criticize your ilk? That's authoritarianism.

You are conflating two different issues in to one, to try to justify DeSantis's unconstitutional acts.

The special deal they made with Disney decades ago, if now a problem, then thru regular order and legislative process, that should be addressed.

What DeSantis did was unconstitutional.

He threatened and used his government power to Bully Disney, for speaking out about a government policy or action.

THAT IS THE PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE CONSTITUTION PROTECTS US FROM!!!

And DeSantis did this openly and boastfully and made certain all other business saw that he would not hesitate to unconstitutionally use his govt power to squash them and hurt them, if they ever constitutionally spoke out, against the DeSantis government.


What DeSantis did, was wrong, wrong, wrong! I don't care if he was a Democrat or Republican, what he did, was simply wrong.

Perhaps I am missing something, but please explain how What DeSantis did was unconstitutional. I'm haveing trouble understanding your logic or perhaps we have been reading a different constitution

 

[Care4all]

Then a challenge should be made at court.

There is already a suit working its way thru the courts from what I've read.

 

[Doug1943]

How I hope Mr DeSantis is even half of what the Left fears he is.

It's wonderful to watch these people, whose minions physically attack conservative rallies, howl down conservative speakers on university campuses, fire professors who manifest Oldthinking ... suddenly become civil libertarians.

If a Leftist-dominated government cancelled the contract of, say, MyPillow, because it was racist-fascist-sexist-homophobic blah blah blah, they wouldn't turn a hair. In fact, they'd cheer.

However. So long as we are not in a shooting war, we must uphold the Rule of Law. (In war, "the laws are silent", as the old Roman said. But even there we want to keep to the appropriate laws when we can.)

So principled conservatives need to have a discussion about this and establish some guidelines.

One the one hand, we want the operation of the state to be neutral. To take a closely-analogous case, we would not want a government to make support for a particular political party a condition of employment for ordinary government jobs. (I'm not talking about heading departments, where incoming administrations will of course appoint those who agree with their programs.) That would take us down the road to becoming a banana republic.

On the other hand, we definitely want people applying for even ordinary government jobs to meet certain criteria. For example, someone applying for a job to teach young children who openly says that they believe sex with children is permissible, shouldn't be hired.

A company that openly says it will not hire people of a certain ethnicity is another example. Or one with close links to potential foreign enemies.

There isn't a hard-and-fast criterion here. There will be grey areas, where an individual, or a company, seeking to do business with, or to be hired by, the government, has opinions, or carries out actions, that are borderline -- not quite normal political partisanship, but not quite open attacks on what we all agree -- or used to agree -- are fundamental, decent, social norms.

There are people on the Right who disagree with Mr DeSantis:
[ Mike Pence Says DeSantis Went Too Far in Revoking Disney’s Special Tax Status | National Review ]

We -- people on the Right -- need to have a discussion to try to establish some principled guidelines on this issue. (One thing that makes this case difficult is that the Left is moving pretty rapidly away from what used to be agreed social norms. They're heading towards the sexualization of children, the discouragement of normal sexual orientation. Even ten years ago, this would not have arisen: the issue of child sex was one of the few that absolutely united Left and Right. But no longer.)

There is always a temptation to use the power of the state to punish our political enemies. Generally, this is a bad idea. But life is sometimes complicated. Plus, as a nation, we're drifting away from the sort of civil society where both sides play by the rules, and we need not continue to be Mr Nice Guy when the other side begins to hit below the belt.

 

[CarsomyrPlusSix]

Perhaps I am missing something, but please explain how What DeSantis did was unconstitutional. I'm haveing trouble understanding your logic or perhaps we have been reading a different constitution

The Constitution was written knowing Walt Disney, an animator, would exist and make a company settled in Florida which would be part of America somehow eventually and that Florida’s government would give it special favors so Walt would build something there, so they put it in the Bill of Rights that the state of Florida can’t ever take away his company’s special favor status.

It’s in the same amendment where abortion and gun control laws are justified. Funny thing it doesn’t exist on parchment, and was never ratified, but you can find copies of it in every Democrat’s rectum.

 

[Care4all]

Perhaps I am missing something, but please explain how What DeSantis did was unconstitutional. I'm haveing trouble understanding your logic or perhaps we have been reading a different constitution

The gist of it...

Because Disney spoke out against a DeSantis policy, DeSantis immediately announced he would strip Disney of its agreement perks, made decades ago. (to punish them for speaking out)

Florida Gov. DeSantis signs bill to punish Disney for opposing 'Don't Say Gay' law

The move is expected to have huge tax implications for Disney and further sour the relationship between the Republican-led government and the entertainment giant.

fortune.com

 

[SweetSue92]

Ron DeSantis 'Will Destroy Our Democracy,' Says Fascism Expert​

By Ewan Palmer On 2/27/23 at 8:27 AM EST



DeSantis is a scary scary man. He really does remind me of Mussolini in many ways. He hates opposing opinions.

hahahahahahahaha

I knew they would try it again.

It won't work, except on your 20%

But really, what else do you have?