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You know as well as any of us that running third party is pointless considering that the Republicans and Democrats work together to keep any and all third party candidates from even getting on the ballot if at all possible.
Yes, it might seem pointless after the second run if the issues you'd been talking about for your 30 year career hadn't suddenly become monumentally important in the political dialogue. The Federal Reserve is finally an issue, the debt is finally an issue, and even more Republicans are now questioning our militarism than in 2008. Who has more credibility on these issues than Ron Paul, the man who brought them to the forefront?
Except you're giving all this credit to Ron Paul. There are other reasons why these issues have suddenly become important. And they all have very little to do with Paul.
Paul's idea of what he wants for America is fantasy based, not reality based.
^ This is a good point, Modbert. I would have thought you would have understood this by now. You keep asking the same question about Paul and the R party and the Paul supporters keep trying to explain to you his reasoning, and it's like you're not listening.
Do you want us to tell you WHY, or are you waiting for us to just tell you what you want to hear?
Israel is suroounded by those who wish to destroy them.........It's best that Iran never has the capability to even try.......Iran's leaders are crazy enough, too include the Ayatollah, to launch if given the opportunity, thereby undoubtedly starting WW3.Go tell that to Israel, and get back to me.
Israel has plenty of nuclear weapons itself, and is economically superior to Iran. Israel is perfectly capable of defending themselves from a third-world tinpot dictator as well.
They can never have the means to do so.........And we are the means to make sure it doesn't happen, while staying protected within our own borders.......Israel does not have that luxury.
Guns meaning a monopoly on the use of violence.
Which means they have...
I believe you're fishing for the term "hierarchy," but again that doesn't really answer the question. Like you said, businesses are hierarchical, but that doesn't mean they have a monopoly on the use of violence or the right to use violence in any manner whatsoever.
Gay males hijacked the Ron Paul movement?Tea baggers hijacked the Ron Paul movement.
Gay males hijacked the Ron Paul movement?Tea baggers hijacked the Ron Paul movement.
Interesting.......But, judging from several of you on this board, I guess you're right.
So, not only does nutter Paul have the troofer loons, the racist stormfront types, the youngin's seeking legal dope and hookers, he now has the perv's.
Way to go Paul!
I salute your ability to draw in the fringers!
He's also acknowledging the fact he's willing to play along. I have no problem with agreeing that he's unlike his party in a lot of ways. However, trying to paint him as someone who has never given in to party politics is laughable at best.
Which means they have...
I believe you're fishing for the term "hierarchy," but again that doesn't really answer the question. Like you said, businesses are hierarchical, but that doesn't mean they have a monopoly on the use of violence or the right to use violence in any manner whatsoever.
Power. The answer I was looking for is power. You both have been dancing around it. They have systems to control things the way they want. Hierarchies (a leader or government or organization who tells people what to do) are implemented to maintain and propagate systems of control. Anarchists oppose the state because they abuse power and consolidate it into authoritarianism, which it then uses to oppress people.
That's also why anarchists are anti-capitalism, because capitalism has been used to oppress people. There is the authority between management and labor, look at the late nineteenth century. Look at wage slavery, in modern times you see it in third-world countries. In fact, sometimes it's possible for corporations to use oppressive tactics one would often attribute to governments. Look up banana republics, and I don't meant the clothing retailer.
^ This is a good point, Modbert. I would have thought you would have understood this by now. You keep asking the same question about Paul and the R party and the Paul supporters keep trying to explain to you his reasoning, and it's like you're not listening.
Do you want us to tell you WHY, or are you waiting for us to just tell you what you want to hear?
Oh I understand what the Paul supporters tell me, that doesn't mean I have to agree with it however. Like I said, it's his third time in the arena and he's still polling around 10% at best in the GOP. My point is if Ron Paul really wanted to make a difference, he'd mount a third party run. Even if he doesn't win, polling enough will send a message to Washington and can help gain momentum to a new movement.
However, he never did do that and it's very unlikely he's going to do so now. As long as he runs under the GOP ticket, he is still very much beholden to the GOP in some form or another.
The Federal Reserve has never been an issue since its inception, and after Ron Paul brings it up it suddenly becomes an issue. That has very little to do with Ron Paul? Really? The debt is essentially the same. Bush doubles the debt, and then some, during his Presidency and we don't hear a peep about it or any "Tea Parties" until Ron Paul runs for President, and you say that has little to do with Ron Paul?
I believe you're fishing for the term "hierarchy," but again that doesn't really answer the question. Like you said, businesses are hierarchical, but that doesn't mean they have a monopoly on the use of violence or the right to use violence in any manner whatsoever.
Power. The answer I was looking for is power. You both have been dancing around it. They have systems to control things the way they want. Hierarchies (a leader or government or organization who tells people what to do) are implemented to maintain and propagate systems of control. Anarchists oppose the state because they abuse power and consolidate it into authoritarianism, which it then uses to oppress people.
That's also why anarchists are anti-capitalism, because capitalism has been used to oppress people. There is the authority between management and labor, look at the late nineteenth century. Look at wage slavery, in modern times you see it in third-world countries. In fact, sometimes it's possible for corporations to use oppressive tactics one would often attribute to governments. Look up banana republics, and I don't meant the clothing retailer.
That's why some anarchists are opposed to capitalism.
^ This is a good point, Modbert. I would have thought you would have understood this by now. You keep asking the same question about Paul and the R party and the Paul supporters keep trying to explain to you his reasoning, and it's like you're not listening.
Do you want us to tell you WHY, or are you waiting for us to just tell you what you want to hear?
Oh I understand what the Paul supporters tell me, that doesn't mean I have to agree with it however. Like I said, it's his third time in the arena and he's still polling around 10% at best in the GOP. My point is if Ron Paul really wanted to make a difference, he'd mount a third party run. Even if he doesn't win, polling enough will send a message to Washington and can help gain momentum to a new movement.
However, he never did do that and it's very unlikely he's going to do so now. As long as he runs under the GOP ticket, he is still very much beholden to the GOP in some form or another.
He gains new support everyday while running with the republicans, because even the MSM can't ignore him 100% of the time. As long as he climbs in the polls, regardless of how slow it happens, he gets recognition from new supporters.
If he just sat out primary season and jumped in 3rd party for the general, he'd have thrown away any opportunity to grow his support base leading into it.
Just because he's a different republican than the establishment media-backed candidates, doesn't mean he's not still a republican. It's not a secret that there are many shades of republicans throughout the system. Why should Paul sell himself short?
I believe you're fishing for the term "hierarchy," but again that doesn't really answer the question. Like you said, businesses are hierarchical, but that doesn't mean they have a monopoly on the use of violence or the right to use violence in any manner whatsoever.
Power. The answer I was looking for is power. You both have been dancing around it. They have systems to control things the way they want. Hierarchies (a leader or government or organization who tells people what to do) are implemented to maintain and propagate systems of control. Anarchists oppose the state because they abuse power and consolidate it into authoritarianism, which it then uses to oppress people.
That's also why anarchists are anti-capitalism, because capitalism has been used to oppress people. There is the authority between management and labor, look at the late nineteenth century. Look at wage slavery, in modern times you see it in third-world countries. In fact, sometimes it's possible for corporations to use oppressive tactics one would often attribute to governments. Look up banana republics, and I don't meant the clothing retailer.
That's why some anarchists are opposed to capitalism.
He gains new support everyday while running with the republicans, because even the MSM can't ignore him 100% of the time. As long as he climbs in the polls, regardless of how slow it happens, he gets recognition from new supporters.
If he just sat out primary season and jumped in 3rd party for the general, he'd have thrown away any opportunity to grow his support base leading into it.
Just because he's a different republican than the establishment media-backed candidates, doesn't mean he's not still a republican. It's not a secret that there are many shades of republicans throughout the system. Why should Paul sell himself short?
I was a mod?Gay males hijacked the Ron Paul movement?Tea baggers hijacked the Ron Paul movement.
Interesting.......But, judging from several of you on this board, I guess you're right.
So, not only does nutter Paul have the troofer loons, the racist stormfront types, the youngin's seeking legal dope and hookers, he now has the perv's.
Way to go Paul!
I salute your ability to draw in the fringers!
No offense, but you are a fucking idiot. Why did you lose your Mod status?
Power. The answer I was looking for is power. You both have been dancing around it. They have systems to control things the way they want. Hierarchies (a leader or government or organization who tells people what to do) are implemented to maintain and propagate systems of control. Anarchists oppose the state because they abuse power and consolidate it into authoritarianism, which it then uses to oppress people.
That's also why anarchists are anti-capitalism, because capitalism has been used to oppress people. There is the authority between management and labor, look at the late nineteenth century. Look at wage slavery, in modern times you see it in third-world countries. In fact, sometimes it's possible for corporations to use oppressive tactics one would often attribute to governments. Look up banana republics, and I don't meant the clothing retailer.
That's why some anarchists are opposed to capitalism.
We are not opposed to capital. We are opposed to usury, which create unfair power structures.
That's why some anarchists are opposed to capitalism.
We are not opposed to capital. We are opposed to usury, which create unfair power structures.
Loaning money is not required to make power structures within capitalism.
