Russia is Stupid

[Toro]

The incompetence is unbelievable.

It’s said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again while expecting a different result. If that’s the case … Russia qualifies.​

We saw it in the early days of the war in Hostomel airport northwest of Kyiv. Russia made an unsupported airborne landing on the base. Got wiped out. Tried it again. Same result. There may have been a third attempt, but the airport wasn’t captured until the spearhead of Russia’s attack, on the ground, arrived a few days later.

We’re currently seeing it on Snake Island, of “Russia warship, go fuck yourself” fame. Over the past week, Russian forces have been wiped out several times (here, here, here, and here), and yet last night we saw Russian troops landing there once again. (Russia state media tried to claim that it was Ukrainians who were defeated on the island … using the Ukrainian armed forces video (with their logo on the top right corner) featuring the Bayraktar TB-2 drone interface, of which Russia has none. The destruction of the ship, when Ukraine has no navy, was a nice touch of hilarity.)​

But nothing is as dramatic as the saga of the riverside crossing at Bilohorivka, where Russia didn’t just suffer one disastrous river-crossing attempt, but three of them over the past few days.​

Ukraine Update: Russia's river-crossing debacle is beyond belief

It’s said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again while expecting a different result. If that’s the case … Russia qualifies. We saw it in the early days of the war in Hostomel airport northwest of Kyiv. Russia made an...

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[rightwinger]

American military experts watch in awe about the inept tactics of the Russian military

Saw the other day where Russian fighter jets have taped on GPS because their guidance systems are so inaccurate

How much Russian communications rely on commercial cell phones

 

[Mac1958]

The incompetence is unbelievable.

American military experts watch in awe about the inept tactics of the Russian military

The Generals I'm watching being interviewed on this stuff are just awestruck.

The two most consistent explanations I'm seeing for this are (a) so much of the Russian military "budget" is siphoned off by the oligarchs and anyone else who can get their hands on it, and (b) they apparently steadfastly refuse to do anything differently, in terms of strategy, than they've been doing since World War I.

There has to be something in Russian culture that explains this.

 

[shockedcanadian]

It can't be encouraging to Russias morale. They are clearly not as sharp or disciplined as the U.S military for instance.

I read that they have lost 1/3rd of their ground forces. That is extraordinary for such a short period of time.

There are too many proxy governments involved in todays wars to make them "winnable" for most nations, especially in the short term and/or if they are trying to invade and keep land. I imagine even Putin himself is shocked at how poorly trained and prepared his troops are.

 

[Toro]

The Ukrainian destruction of significant elements of a Russian motorized rifle brigade that tried to cross a pontoon bridge over the Siverskyi Donets River on May 11 has shocked prominent Russian milbloggers. Those bloggers have begun commenting on the incompetence of the Russian military to their hundreds of thousands of followers. The attempted river crossing showed a stunning lack of tactical sense as satellite images show (destroyed) Russian vehicles tightly bunched up at both ends of the (destroyed) bridge, clearly allowing Ukrainian artillerymen to kill hundreds and destroy scores of vehicles with concentrated strikes. The milbloggers who have hitherto been cheering on the Russian military criticized Russian armed forces leadership for failing to learn from experience in the war. They also expressed the concern that the constant pushing of Russia’s propaganda lines was making it hard for them to understand what was actually going on.​

Institute for the Study of War

The Ukrainian destruction of significant elements of a Russian motorized rifle brigade that tried to cross a pontoon bridge over the Siverskyi Donets River on May 11 has shocked prominent Russian milbloggers. Those bloggers have begun commenting on the

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[Litwin]

The incompetence is unbelievable.

It’s said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again while expecting a different result. If that’s the case … Russia qualifies.​

We saw it in the early days of the war in Hostomel airport northwest of Kyiv. Russia made an unsupported airborne landing on the base. Got wiped out. Tried it again. Same result. There may have been a third attempt, but the airport wasn’t captured until the spearhead of Russia’s attack, on the ground, arrived a few days later.​

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We’re currently seeing it on Snake Island, of “Russia warship, go fuck yourself” fame. Over the past week, Russian forces have been wiped out several times (here, here, here, and here), and yet last night we saw Russian troops landing there once again. (Russia state media tried to claim that it was Ukrainians who were defeated on the island … using the Ukrainian armed forces video (with their logo on the top right corner) featuring the Bayraktar TB-2 drone interface, of which Russia has none. The destruction of the ship, when Ukraine has no navy, was a nice touch of hilarity.)​

But nothing is as dramatic as the saga of the riverside crossing at Bilohorivka, where Russia didn’t just suffer one disastrous river-crossing attempt, but three of them over the past few days.​

Ukraine Update: Russia's river-crossing debacle is beyond belief

It’s said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again while expecting a different result. If that’s the case … Russia qualifies. We saw it in the early days of the war in Hostomel airport northwest of Kyiv. Russia made an...

www.dailykos.com

 

[White 6]

The Generals I'm watching being interviewed on this stuff are just awestruck.

The two most consistent explanations I'm seeing for this are (a) so much of the Russian military "budget" is siphoned off by the oligarchs and anyone else who can get their hands on it, and (b) they apparently steadfastly refuse to do anything differently, in terms of strategy, than they've been doing since World War I.

There has to be something in Russian culture that explains this.

Russian junior officers and mid to senior NCOs do not function or have freedom to function. They are only pay grades, not level of command, able to make tactical decisions, based on terrain, situation, etc. The just go where they are told, shoot until they are shot and leave the remaining enemy for follow-on forces that do not exist. It is how they were trained, from a time when their numbers were far greater against an enemy fixed in place defending an avenue of advance. The Ukrainians use NATO tactics, make use of the battle area, and individual initiative of all levels of command in a generalized area defense or offense. Good situational tactics is where you find it, no blindly following or moving straight into the guns or kill sacks due to orders from above, independent of resistance and terrain on the ground.

 

[Mac1958]

Russian junior officers and mid to senior NCOs do not function or have freedom to function. They are only pay grades, not level of command, able to make tactical decisions, based on terrain, situation, etc. The just go where they are told, shoot until they are shot and leave the remaining enemy for follow-on forces that do not exist. It is how they were trained, from a time when their numbers were far greater against an enemy fixed in place defending an avenue of advance. The Ukrainians use NATO tactics, make use of the battle area, and individual initiative of all levels of command in a generalized area defense or offense. Good situational tactics is where you find it, no blindly following or moving straight into the guns or kill sacks due to orders from above, independent of resistance and terrain on the ground.

Inexplicable. I don't know shit about military tactics, but I do know that you have to be adaptable to conditions.

Holy crap.

 

[Donald H]

Aside from the confidence building US propaganda, there's never been any doub that the US is the superior force. It's only baffling and a bit amusing why the propagandists are needing to solidify the fact!

Could it be that the real message is to have Americans believe that Russia is just as incapable with their nuclear arsenal?

There's not much doubt that the current propaganda blitz is nearly completely an effort to build confidence in the American people for one reason.

That is, dispel any possibility entering American minds that their country could be bringing on trouble that is always going to be the unspeakable!

Beware! You only get one chance to get it right. Reports on Russia taking large hits, if in fact they really are, should be cringe worthy.

Don't wish for Russia's defeat!

 

[White 6]

Now you do. With sufficient numbers, massive artillery prep, and air supremacy, it could be quite effective, back in the day. This time, they have not had air supremacy, due to changes in light weight infantry ground to air missile systems. The RAGs and the DAGs are too close, ineffectively utilized and quickly identified by counter battery radars, templating of attacking units, as well as satellite coverage intelligence. Their communications suck, totally, so they lack the ability to shape and control the battlefield in space (length, breadth & depth) much less time or vertical altitude, often making them cannon fodder.

 

[Donald H]

Now you do. With sufficient numbers, massive artillery prep, and air supremacy, it could be quite effective, back in the day. This time, they have not had air supremacy, due to changes in light weight infantry ground to air missile systems. The RAGs and the DAGs are too close, ineffectively utilized and quickly identified by counter battery radars, templating of attacking units, as well as satellite coverage intelligence. Their communications suck, totally, so they lack the ability to shape and control the battlefield in space (length, breadth & depth) much less time or vertical altitude, often making them cannon fodder.

Before the war started we would often hear that Russia's nuclear weapons were outdated and therefore no threat.
That used to be a quite serious in some minds!
It might not be credible enough to be a confidence builder these days?

We don't hear that anymore because it would be pushing the boundaries on believable propaganda.

Did your NBCD training equip you to be capable of administering the suicide injection to your children, wife, and loved ones?

 

[toomuchtime_]

Aside from the confidence building US propaganda, there's never been any doub that the US is the superior force. It's only baffling and a bit amusing why the propagandists are needing to solidify the fact!

Could it be that the real message is to have Americans believe that Russia is just as incapable with their nuclear arsenal?

There's not much doubt that the current propaganda blitz is nearly completely an effort to build confidence in the American people for one reason.

That is, dispel any possibility entering American minds that their country could be bringing on trouble that is always going to be the unspeakable!

Beware! You only get one chance to get it right. Reports on Russia taking large hits, if in fact they really are, should be cringe worthy.

Don't wish for Russia's defeat!

Russia's defeat is inevitable that the nuclear threat you are touting is preposterous.

 

[Donald H]

Russia's defeat is inevitable that the nuclear threat you are touting is preposterous.

Keep a stiff upper lip my friend!

Did your NBCD training equip you too, to be capable of administering the suicide injection to your children, wife, and loved ones?

 

[toomuchtime_]

Keep a stiff upper lip my friend!

Did your NBCD training equip you too, to be capable of administering the suicide injection to your children, wife, and loved ones?

This is why there is no place for Russia among the civilized nations.

 

[krichton]

Bascially Russia sucks at war.

 

[rightwinger]

The Generals I'm watching being interviewed on this stuff are just awestruck.

The two most consistent explanations I'm seeing for this are (a) so much of the Russian military "budget" is siphoned off by the oligarchs and anyone else who can get their hands on it, and (b) they apparently steadfastly refuse to do anything differently, in terms of strategy, than they've been doing since World War I.

There has to be something in Russian culture that explains this.

For 75 years we have looked at the Soviet/ Russian military as a Superpower

Now they are demonstrating how wrong we were

 

[rightwinger]

Before the war started we would often hear that Russia's nuclear weapons were outdated and therefore no threat.
That used to be a quite serious in some minds!
It might not be credible enough to be a confidence builder these days?

We don't hear that anymore because it would be pushing the boundaries on believable propaganda.

Did your NBCD training equip you to be capable of administering the suicide injection to your children, wife, and loved ones?

We had always assumed that Soviet/Russian nuclear power was a one for one equal of our own

Given the demonstration of how backward the Russian military is in combat, it may no longer be true that they can compete with us on a nuclear conflict

 

[Donald H]

We had always assumed that Soviet/Russian nuclear power was a one for one equal of our own

Given the demonstration of how backward the Russian military is in combat, it may no longer be true that they can compete with us on a nuclear conflict

No doubt that all their nuclear weapons will fizzle out!
Try that idea on this forum! I could tell us if the propagandists could get away with it?

It's also a very distinct possibility that Russia no longer has nuclear weapons and no means of delivering one if they did.

Pull back the curtain to see what the great wiz really is?

 

[para bellum]

Lavrov disavows nuclear weapons threats, says NATO is at war with Russia

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said that Russia does not threaten anyone with nuclear weapons and does not believe that it is at war with NATO. According to "European Pravda", he said this in an interview with the Saudi TV channel Al-Arabiya. Lavrov said Russia did not threaten to use nuclear weapons when he spoke about the possibility of nuclear war.

"We've never played with such dangerous things. We all have to insist... There can never be a nuclear war. But in order to ensure that this happens, the West must discipline speakers such as our Ukrainian and Polish colleagues who do not see the danger in playing with such statements," Lavrov said. He also said that it is not Russia that believes that it is at war with NATO, but vice versa. "Unfortunately, it seems that NATO believes that it is at war with Russia. The leaders of NATO and the EU, many of them in Britain, the United States, Poland, France, Germany, and the EU's top diplomat, rudely, publicly and constantly say, "Putin must lose, Russia must fail." When someone uses such terminology, he probably considers himself at war with someone who wants defeat," the Russian Foreign Minister said.

He said that Russia knows the routes of arms supplies to Ukraine and these cargoes of the Russian Federation consider "fair targets of the special operation" as soon as they arrive on the territory of Ukraine. As reported, Lavrov in communication with the media also said that Moldova is "dragged into NATO" and this is "not in favor of its security."

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Міністр закордонних справ Росії Сєргєй Лавров заявив, що РФ нікому не погрожує ядерною зброєю та не вважає, що воює з НАТО.

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[Mac1958]

For 75 years we have looked at the Soviet/ Russian military as a Superpower

Now they are demonstrating how wrong we were

Yeah, that's another mistake he made: He let the cat of out the bag.