Sadaam Hussein

[TNHarley]

Goddamn Riegle Report people!

It's better than the Bagel Report, always full of holes.

lol. that report would end this discussion

 

[Blake Allyn]

We also gave him intelligence on kurds positions, Iranian positions.

How Did Iraq Get Its WMD? - We Sold Them To Saddam

It says it everywhere. I cant beleive you dont know this. Read it in the washington post or the NYT or wall street journal or read the cia docs themselves.

First off, I don't take fake news outlets seriously. Or op-eds. Secondly, your source says we sold them the technology. You claimed we sold them chemical and biological weapons. So the answer is yes, you are an idiot.

The US gave him precursors, including the bubonic plague over an 8 years span. Both before, during and after he used chemical weapons. We then blocked the UN from condeming him for using them.

When you give someone who is using chemical weapons against civilians chemical weapons before, during and after, you are giving him chemical weapons.

Thats like selling the NAZIS a gas chamber in 1944 and saying it was dual use. Give me a break.

Your source didn't make that claim either. You don't learn. Your word isn't good enough.

LOL what are you saying? My source? There are a million sources on this. Its common knowledge. Its not by job to write you a paper. Go check it and see.

If there are a million, use something legit. Shouldn't be that hard.

Iraq’s use of Chemical Weapons: The Washington Post - | University of Oregon Senate
U.S. Secretly Gave Aid to Iraq Early in Its War Against Iran
Halabja : America didn't seem to mind poison gas
"Analysis of thousands of captured Iraqi secret police documents and declassified U.S. government documents, as well as interviews with scores of Kurdish survivors, senior Iraqi defectors and retired U.S. intelligence officers, show (1) that Iraq carried out the attack on Halabja, and (2) that the United States, fully aware it was Iraq, accused Iran, Iraq's enemy in a fierce war, of being partly responsible for the attack. The State Department instructed its diplomats to say that Iran was partly to blame."

Iran Chamber Society: History of Iran: Arming Iraq: A Chronology of U.S. Involvement


Arming Iraq and the Path to War
A crisis always has a history, and the current crisis with Iraq is no exception. Below are some relevant dates.

September, 1980. Iraq invades Iran. The beginning of the Iraq-Iran war. [8]

February, 1982. Despite objections from congress, President Reagan removes Iraq from its list of known terrorist countries. [1]

December, 1982. Hughes Aircraft ships 60 Defender helicopters to Iraq. [9]

1982-1988. Defense Intelligence Agency provides detailed information for Iraq on Iranian deployments, tactical planning for battles, plans for air strikes and bomb damage assessments. [4]

November, 1983. A National Security Directive states that the U.S would do "whatever was necessary and legal" to prevent Iraq from losing its war with Iran. [1] & [15]

Donald Rumsfeld -Reagan's Envoy- provided Iraq with
chemical & biological weapons
November, 1983. Banca Nazionale del Lavoro of Italy and its Branch in Atlanta begin to funnel $5 billion in unreported loans to Iraq. Iraq, with the blessing and official approval of the US government, purchased computer controlled machine tools, computers, scientific instruments, special alloy steel and aluminum, chemicals, and other industrial goods for Iraq's missile, chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs. [14]

October, 1983. The Reagan Administration begins secretly allowing Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Egypt to transfer United States weapons, including Howitzers, Huey helicopters, and bombs to Iraq. These shipments violated the Arms Export Control Act. [16]

November 1983. George Schultz, the Secretary of State, is given intelligence reports showing that Iraqi troops are daily using chemical weapons against the Iranians. [1]

December 20, 1983. Donald Rumsfeld , then a civilian and now Defense Secretary, meets with Saddam Hussein to assure him of US friendship and materials support. [1] & [15]

July, 1984. CIA begins giving Iraq intelligence necessary to calibrate its mustard gas attacks on Iranian troops. [19]

January 14, 1984. State Department memo acknowledges United States shipment of "dual-use" export hardware and technology. Dual use items are civilian items such as heavy trucks, armored ambulances and communications gear as well as industrial technology that can have a military application. [2]

March, 1986. The United States with Great Britain block all Security Council resolutions condemning Iraq's use of chemical weapons, and on March 21 the US becomes the only country refusing to sign a Security Council statement condemning Iraq's use of these weapons. [10]

May, 1986. The US Department of Commerce licenses 70 biological exports to Iraq between May of 1985 and 1989, including at least 21 batches of lethal strains of anthrax. [3]

May, 1986. US Department of Commerce approves shipment of weapons grade botulin poison to Iraq. [7]

March, 1987. President Reagan bows to the findings of the Tower Commission admitting the sale of arms to Iran in exchange for hostages. Oliver North uses the profits from the sale to fund an illegal war in Nicaragua. [17]

Late 1987. The Iraqi Air Force begins using chemical agents against Kurdish resistance forces in northern Iraq. [1]

February, 1988. Saddam Hussein begins the "Anfal" campaign against the Kurds of northern Iraq. The Iraq regime used chemical weapons against the Kurds killing over 100,000 civilians and destroying over 1,200 Kurdish villages. [8]

April, 1988. US Department of Commerce approves shipment of chemicals used in manufacture of mustard gas. [7]

August, 1988. Four major battles were fought from April to August 1988, in which the Iraqis massively and effectively used chemical weapons to defeat the Iranians. Nerve gas and blister agents such as mustard gas are used. By this time the US Defense Intelligence Agency is heavily involved with Saddam Hussein in battle plan assistance, intelligence gathering and post battle debriefing. In the last major battle with of the war, 65,000 Iranians are killed, many with poison gas. Use of chemical weapons in war is in violation of the Geneva accords of 1925. [6] & [13]

August, 1988. Iraq and Iran declare a cease fire. [8]

August, 1988. Five days after the cease fire Saddam Hussein sends his planes and helicopters to northern Iraq to begin massive chemical attacks against the Kurds. [8]

September, 1988. US Department of Commerce approves shipment of weapons grade anthrax and botulinum to Iraq. [7]

September, 1988. Richard Murphy, Assistant Secretary of State: "The US-Iraqi relationship is... important to our long-term political and economic objectives." [15]

December, 1988. Dow chemical sells $1.5 million in pesticides to Iraq despite knowledge that these would be used in chemical weapons. [1]

July 25, 1990. US Ambassador to Baghdad meets with Hussein to assure him that President Bush "wanted better and deeper relations". Many believe this visit was a trap set for Hussein. A month later Hussein invaded Kuwait thinking the US would not respond. [12]

August, 1990 Iraq invades Kuwait. The precursor to the Gulf War. [8]

July, 1991 The Financial Times of London reveals that a Florida chemical company had produced and shipped cyanide to Iraq during the 80's using a special CIA courier. Cyanide was used extensively against the Iranians. [11]

August, 1991. Christopher Droguol of Atlanta's branch of Banca Nazionale del Lavoro is arrested for his role in supplying loans to Iraq for the purchase of military supplies. He is charged with 347 counts of felony. Droguol is found guilty, but US officials plead innocent of any knowledge of his crime. [14]

June, 1992. Ted Kopple of ABC Nightline reports: "It is becoming increasingly clear that George Bush Sr., operating largely behind the scenes throughout the 1980's, initiated and supported much of the financing, intelligence, and military help that built Saddam's Iraq into [an aggressive power]." [5]

July, 1992. "The Bush administration deliberately, not inadvertently, helped to arm Iraq by allowing U.S. technology to be shipped to Iraqi military and to Iraqi defense factories... Throughout the course of the Bush administration, U.S. and foreign firms were granted export licenses to ship U.S. technology directly to Iraqi weapons facilities despite ample evidence showing that these factories were producing weapons." Representative Henry Gonzalez, Texas, testimony before the House. [18]

February, 1994. Senator Riegle from Michigan, chairman of the Senate Banking Committee, testifies before the senate revealing large US shipments of dual-use biological and chemical agents to Iraq that may have been used against US troops in the Gulf War and probably was the cause of the illness known as Gulf War Syndrome. [7]

August, 2002. "The use of gas [during the Iran-Iraq war] on the battle field by the Iraqis was not a matter of deep strategic concern... We were desperate to make sure that Iraq did not lose". Colonel Walter Lang, former senior US Defense Intelligence officer tells the New York Times. [4]

This chronology of the United States' sordid involvement in the arming of Iraq can be summarized in this way: The United States used methods both legal and illegal to help build Saddam's army into the most powerful army in the Mideast outside of Israel. The US supplied chemical and biological agents and technology to Iraq when it knew Iraq was using chemical weapons against the Iranians. The US supplied the materials and technology for these weapons of mass destruction to Iraq at a time when it was know that Saddam was using this technology to kill his Kurdish citizens. The United States supplied intelligence and battle planning information to Iraq when those battle plans included the use of cyanide, mustard gas and nerve agents. The United States blocked UN censure of Iraq's use of chemical weapons. The United States did not act alone in this effort. The Soviet Union was the largest weapons supplier, but England, France and Germany were also involved in the shipment of arms and technology.

References:

1. Washingtonpost.com. December 30, 2002
2. Jonathan Broder. Nuclear times, Winter 1990-91
3. Kurt Nimno. AlterNet. September 23, 2002
4. Newyorktimes.com. August 29, 2002
5. ABC Nightline. June9, 1992
6. Counter Punch, October 10, 2002
7. Riegle Report: Dual Use Exports. Senate Committee on Banking. May 25, 1994
8. Timeline: A walk Through Iraq's History. U.S. Department of State
9. Doing Business: The Arming of Iraq. Daniel Robichear
10. Glen Rangwala. Labor Left Briefing, 16 September, 2002
11. Financial Times of London. July 3, 1991
12. Elson E. Boles. Counter Punch. October 10, 2002
13. Iran-Iraq War, 1980-1988. Iranchamber.com
14. Columbia Journalism Review. March/April 1993. Iraqgate
15. Times Online. December 31, 2002. How U.S. Helped Iraq Build Deadly Arsenal
16. Bush's Secret Mission. The New Yorker Magazine. November 2, 1992
17. Grolier Multimedia Encyclopedia: Iran-Contra Affair
18. Congressional Record. July 27, 1992. Representative Henry B. Gonzalez
19. Bob Woodward. CIA Aiding Iraq in Persian Gulf War. Washington Post. 15 December, 1986
20. Case Study: The Anfal Campaign. www.gendercide.com

 

[Blake Allyn]

Good Night Children

 

[Iceweasel]

December, 1988. Dow chemical sells $1.5 million in pesticides to Iraq despite knowledge that these would be used in chemical weapons. [1]

Your "facts" come from Iran. I'm not going to deal with your entire steamy pile but go ahead and prove that one. How did they know and how would that prove the US sold Iraq chemical and biological weapons if DOW Chemical sold them pesticides, like everywhere else they could? You make no sense.

 

[Blake Allyn]

December, 1988. Dow chemical sells $1.5 million in pesticides to Iraq despite knowledge that these would be used in chemical weapons. [1]

Your "facts" come from Iran. I'm not going to deal with your entire steamy pile but go ahead and prove that one. How did they know and how would that prove the US sold Iraq chemical and biological weapons if DOW Chemical sold them pesticides, like everywhere else they could? You make no sense.

Iran? Try NYT, washington post, US documents, oregon univeristy, Colombia.

You are a joke and you lose. If you want exzcept a list of 25 sources theres no point. Give it up.

 

[Blake Allyn]

oh and time magazine, and the US congressional record and the national security archive. LOL.

 

[Iceweasel]

December, 1988. Dow chemical sells $1.5 million in pesticides to Iraq despite knowledge that these would be used in chemical weapons. [1]

Your "facts" come from Iran. I'm not going to deal with your entire steamy pile but go ahead and prove that one. How did they know and how would that prove the US sold Iraq chemical and biological weapons if DOW Chemical sold them pesticides, like everywhere else they could? You make no sense.

Iran? Try NYT, washington post, US documents, oregon univeristy, Colombia.

You are a joke and you lose. If you want exzcept a list of 25 sources theres no point. Give it up.

Your source is an Iranian site. Probably more credible that our fake news but you didn't answer my challenge.

"How did they know and how would that prove the US sold Iraq chemical and biological weapons if DOW Chemical sold them pesticides, like everywhere else they could?"

 

[Iceweasel]

oh and time magazine, and the US congressional record and the national security archive. LOL.

...but you needed an Iranian site.

 

[yiostheoy]

Was thinking today about how the US armed Sadaam with chemical and biological weapons throughout the 80s. He we helped him kill a million Iranians and gas his own people. How we blocked the UN from condemning him for using chemical weapons.

This was bi-partisan support. And nobody seems to care. The deathtoll from that support by some estimates, including the Iranians, is 2 million.

Do we not count the dead we cause? Do we not owe Iraq reparations?

How long will we support the brutal Saudis, Bahrain, Qatar, etc, a bunch of medieval dictatorships.

Cant we at least say sorry?

What good does it do to say anything when one of your paid tyrants goes rogue ?!

Saddam was a good counterweight to Iran.

That counterweight is now missed very much there.

Iran is still insane and out of control.

 

[Blake Allyn]

oh and time magazine, and the US congressional record and the national security archive. LOL.

...but you needed an Iranian site.

LOL its not an Iranian site. Bahahahahhahahahahah. Bahhahahahahahahahah.

The debate is over. Read the congressiona record. Polticians have talked about this publicly on both saides. Bahahahhahahahahaha.

You are fake news.

 

[Iceweasel]

oh and time magazine, and the US congressional record and the national security archive. LOL.

...but you needed an Iranian site.

LOL its not an Iranian site. Bahahahahhahahahahah. Bahhahahahahahahahah.

The debate is over. Read the congressiona record. Polticians have talked about this publicly on both saides. Bahahahhahahahahaha.

You are fake news.

iranchamber.com/history/articles/arming_iraq

Looks Iranian to me. You keep pounding your tiny chest expecting it to frighten me.

 

[Blake Allyn]

oh and time magazine, and the US congressional record and the national security archive. LOL.

...but you needed an Iranian site.

LOL its not an Iranian site. Bahahahahhahahahahah. Bahhahahahahahahahah.

The debate is over. Read the congressiona record. Polticians have talked about this publicly on both saides. Bahahahhahahahahaha.

You are fake news.

iranchamber.com/history/articles/arming_iraq

Looks Iranian to me. You keep pounding your tiny chest expecting it to frighten me.

Frighten you freak? You are deluding yourselves, I have now listed 28 sources to a common knowledge event,
You impose ignorance on yourself. Stay in the dark if you like!

 

[Iceweasel]

oh and time magazine, and the US congressional record and the national security archive. LOL.

...but you needed an Iranian site.

LOL its not an Iranian site. Bahahahahhahahahahah. Bahhahahahahahahahah.

The debate is over. Read the congressiona record. Polticians have talked about this publicly on both saides. Bahahahhahahahahaha.

You are fake news.

iranchamber.com/history/articles/arming_iraq

Looks Iranian to me. You keep pounding your tiny chest expecting it to frighten me.

Frighten you freak? You are deluding yourselves, I have now listed 28 sources to a common knowledge event,
You impose ignorance on yourself. Stay in the dark if you like!

Where's the beef? Your sources don't support your claim.

 

[Blake Allyn]

oh and time magazine, and the US congressional record and the national security archive. LOL.

...but you needed an Iranian site.

LOL its not an Iranian site. Bahahahahhahahahahah. Bahhahahahahahahahah.

The debate is over. Read the congressiona record. Polticians have talked about this publicly on both saides. Bahahahhahahahahaha.

You are fake news.

iranchamber.com/history/articles/arming_iraq

Looks Iranian to me. You keep pounding your tiny chest expecting it to frighten me.

Frighten you freak? You are deluding yourselves, I have now listed 28 sources to a common knowledge event,
You impose ignorance on yourself. Stay in the dark if you like!

Where's the beef? Your sources don't support your claim.

Haha all 28 sources exactly match my claim. What are you saying? It couldn't be laid out any clearer.

And its not a claim. Thats like saying its a claim there was a WW2. This stuff is established common knowledge.

 

[Iceweasel]

...but you needed an Iranian site.

LOL its not an Iranian site. Bahahahahhahahahahah. Bahhahahahahahahahah.

The debate is over. Read the congressiona record. Polticians have talked about this publicly on both saides. Bahahahhahahahahaha.

You are fake news.

iranchamber.com/history/articles/arming_iraq

Looks Iranian to me. You keep pounding your tiny chest expecting it to frighten me.

Frighten you freak? You are deluding yourselves, I have now listed 28 sources to a common knowledge event,
You impose ignorance on yourself. Stay in the dark if you like!

Where's the beef? Your sources don't support your claim.

Haha all 28 sources exactly match my claim. What are you saying? It couldn't be laid out any clearer.

And its not a claim. Thats like saying its a claim there was a WW2. This stuff is established common knowledge.

Post the best evidence instead of claiming victory.

 

[Blake Allyn]

The evidence is right there, in a form a child could read. Try reading!!!!

 

[Iceweasel]

The evidence is right there, in a form a child could read. Try reading!!!!

Yet you can't post the best one.

 

[Dschrute3]

Spot On observation. 'Post of the Year' Nominee for sure. Thanks.

 

[Iceweasel]

Spot On observation. 'Post of the Year' Nominee for sure. Thanks.

Thank you.

 

[Tom Horn]

What good does it do to say anything when one of your paid tyrants goes rogue ?!

Saddam was a good counterweight to Iran.

That counterweight is now missed very much there.

Iran is still insane and out of control.

Bush41's "Glaspie Memo" suckered Saddam into Kuwait by saying we had no opinion on the matter. So Saddam invades and Bush evicts him, which sends bin-Laden into orbit for having infidel troops on the ground in SA. So he does 9/11 and we invade two countries, lose 5K Troop, $5T, and ignite countless terror attacks on our Homeland. Thanks Herbert Walker....you fucking idiot.