Sanders pushes to give Americans a paid vacation

[SAYIT]

Not at all, I don't think anyone wants to work in a sweatshop, but you essentially have to work a shitty job where your labor is exploited to meet your basic needs.

An apt description of the "Worker's Paradise."
Old Soviet maxim: We pretend to work and the gov't pretends to pay us.

 

[Socialist]

Not at all, I don't think anyone wants to work in a sweatshop, but you essentially have to work a shitty job where your labor is exploited to meet your basic needs.

An apt description of the "Worker's Paradise."
Old Soviet maxim: We pretend to work and the gov't pretends to pay us.

More baseless rhetoric, going with the assumption that I support the state capitalism of the USSR, along with pretending that people in the USSR didn't work and weren't paid, tell me more about the productivity in the USSR...

 

[Political Junky]

Vacation is a fringe benefit. If you don't like the benefits offered by the job, don't take it

Oh my god, imagine if people used this as an argument against the minimum wage.. Oh wait, they did, and it's still as hilarious as ever.

You know, I've heard this wealth redistribution malarkey way too much lately - primarily promoted by those who can't even spell economics. I'm going to try to make this simple --

Let's assume the rules of football (American, of course) were changed. If you reached your opponent's 40 yard line, you were awarded 3 points - if you made it to the 30, you got 5 points, if you made it to the 20, you got 7 points - and if you scored, you were awarded 10 points. BUT - if you attained one score and tried to get more, you lost the points you already had. For instance, if you made the 40, you got 3 points - but you forfeited those points to try to make the 30. If you made the 30, you were awarded 5 points - which you forfeited if you tried to make the twenty yard line. If you only progressed to the 21, you came away with no points.

So, let's play a game -- the first team gets to the 40, gambles, and makes the 30 - and voluntarily stops. Score is 5-0. The second team drives the ball, makes the 40, and then the 30, and gambles, and makes it to the 20 --- score is 5-7. That score continues until the last 2 minutes --- the first team (the one with 5 points) drives to the 40, making the score 8-7, in their favor. Do they stop, or do they try to expand their lead? Do they give up the lead in order to try to get further ahead?

The point is simple - you have to consider the profit gained in order to justify the investment - are they willing to invest their potential win in order to cinch the win? Some will - some won't. Some will go for it - others will take what they got, and try to make it stand up.

The same applies in economics - the reason money is invested is for the potential of return. If you decrease the potential of return, and NOT reduce the risk, fewer and fewer are going to invest. If investments are fewer, new jobs are fewer, and more people are out of work.

In addition, if you narrow the gap between failure and success, you minimize the incentive to take the risk. I would not risk my retirement pay in a new company, if I knew that all I was going to get (if I were successful) is my retirement fund back. If, on the other hand, I knew that I could potentially become a multi-millionaire, I would be more willing to take the risk.

Workers need to be incentivized, undoubtedly - but, they don't need to be incentivized to do the job for which they are hired. THAT is what their paycheck is for --- ask yourself - would you accept a pay raise of $1 per hour if I told you that means that you will only receive two more $1 raises the rest of your life, or would you turn down the $1 per hour in order to compete for a $20/hour raise?

Socialism, by its definition, promotes mediocrity - pulling down high level performers and falsely rewarding non-performers. Mediocrity, on the other hand, significantly hampers growth, ingenuity, and expansion.

Which do you want? It's up to you -

Empirical evidence goes against your argumentation against socialism, and quite frankly, it's hilarious hogwash, As socialism is simply collective ownership of production. We've had wealth redistribution for centuries, it's wealth being redistributed to the top. Guess you love the rich.

"Socialism, by its definition, promotes mediocrity" This tells me all I need to know about your bullshit.
"

1. Socialism is a social and economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy, as well as a political theory and movement that aims at the establishment of such a system.

"

Are you proposing that there is empirical evidence that people living under socialism fare better than people living under capitalism?

PLEASE explain to me how wealth distribution does NOT embrace mediocrity.

Get happy in the world s happiest countries - CNN.com
No doubt, you'd consider these countries Socialist. However they're successful and happy.

 

[Socialist]

Vacation is a fringe benefit. If you don't like the benefits offered by the job, don't take it

Oh my god, imagine if people used this as an argument against the minimum wage.. Oh wait, they did, and it's still as hilarious as ever.

You know, I've heard this wealth redistribution malarkey way too much lately - primarily promoted by those who can't even spell economics. I'm going to try to make this simple --

Let's assume the rules of football (American, of course) were changed. If you reached your opponent's 40 yard line, you were awarded 3 points - if you made it to the 30, you got 5 points, if you made it to the 20, you got 7 points - and if you scored, you were awarded 10 points. BUT - if you attained one score and tried to get more, you lost the points you already had. For instance, if you made the 40, you got 3 points - but you forfeited those points to try to make the 30. If you made the 30, you were awarded 5 points - which you forfeited if you tried to make the twenty yard line. If you only progressed to the 21, you came away with no points.

So, let's play a game -- the first team gets to the 40, gambles, and makes the 30 - and voluntarily stops. Score is 5-0. The second team drives the ball, makes the 40, and then the 30, and gambles, and makes it to the 20 --- score is 5-7. That score continues until the last 2 minutes --- the first team (the one with 5 points) drives to the 40, making the score 8-7, in their favor. Do they stop, or do they try to expand their lead? Do they give up the lead in order to try to get further ahead?

The point is simple - you have to consider the profit gained in order to justify the investment - are they willing to invest their potential win in order to cinch the win? Some will - some won't. Some will go for it - others will take what they got, and try to make it stand up.

The same applies in economics - the reason money is invested is for the potential of return. If you decrease the potential of return, and NOT reduce the risk, fewer and fewer are going to invest. If investments are fewer, new jobs are fewer, and more people are out of work.

In addition, if you narrow the gap between failure and success, you minimize the incentive to take the risk. I would not risk my retirement pay in a new company, if I knew that all I was going to get (if I were successful) is my retirement fund back. If, on the other hand, I knew that I could potentially become a multi-millionaire, I would be more willing to take the risk.

Workers need to be incentivized, undoubtedly - but, they don't need to be incentivized to do the job for which they are hired. THAT is what their paycheck is for --- ask yourself - would you accept a pay raise of $1 per hour if I told you that means that you will only receive two more $1 raises the rest of your life, or would you turn down the $1 per hour in order to compete for a $20/hour raise?

Socialism, by its definition, promotes mediocrity - pulling down high level performers and falsely rewarding non-performers. Mediocrity, on the other hand, significantly hampers growth, ingenuity, and expansion.

Which do you want? It's up to you -

Empirical evidence goes against your argumentation against socialism, and quite frankly, it's hilarious hogwash, As socialism is simply collective ownership of production. We've had wealth redistribution for centuries, it's wealth being redistributed to the top. Guess you love the rich.

"Socialism, by its definition, promotes mediocrity" This tells me all I need to know about your bullshit.
"

1. Socialism is a social and economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy, as well as a political theory and movement that aims at the establishment of such a system.

"

Are you proposing that there is empirical evidence that people living under socialism fare better than people living under capitalism?

PLEASE explain to me how wealth distribution does NOT embrace mediocrity.

Get happy in the world s happiest countries - CNN.com
No doubt, you'd consider these countries Socialist. However they're successful and happy.

I think he belongs here: Shit Americans Say

 

[Katzndogz]

Forced vacations are an ideal time to look for another job. Then just don't go back to the company that doesn't want you.

In all the firms I worked for. I never took a vacation until I was told that it was going to be mandatory. I used the vacation to find something else and never went back. Didn't quit. Didn't call. Just didn't show up.

So much for employee retention.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

This is fantastic.

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) wants to give Americans a paid vacation, as part of a "family values" agenda he outlined Thursday.

Sanders, who is running for the Democratic presidential nomination, said he is introducing a bill, the Guaranteed Paid Vacation Act, that would give 10 days of paid vacation to every employee that had worked for an employer for at least one year. The legislation would apply to employers with at least 15 employees.

"What family values are about is that at least for two weeks a year, people can come together under a relaxed environment and enjoy the family," Sanders said from the Senate floor. "That is a family value that I want to see happen in this country."

The legislation is part of the senator's "family values agenda." As part of the agenda, he also backed legislation that would give an employee 12 weeks of paid leave if they have a child or serious medical condition, as well as a separate bill that would give workers up to seven paid sick days.

On his support for paid sick leave, Sanders added, "I am not crazy about the idea of somebody who is sick coming to to work, preparing the food that I eat in a restaurant."

While Republicans had previously discussed "family values," Sanders said that "generally speaking, what they mean by family values is opposition to a woman's right to choose, opposition to contraception, opposition to gay rights."

Continued here:
Sanders pushes to give Americans a paid vacation TheHill

We already have paid vacations.
Of course you'd have to get a job first. But than those on the gov dole are pretty much on a constant vacation so whats the point?

 

[Socialist]

This is fantastic.

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) wants to give Americans a paid vacation, as part of a "family values" agenda he outlined Thursday.

Sanders, who is running for the Democratic presidential nomination, said he is introducing a bill, the Guaranteed Paid Vacation Act, that would give 10 days of paid vacation to every employee that had worked for an employer for at least one year. The legislation would apply to employers with at least 15 employees.

"What family values are about is that at least for two weeks a year, people can come together under a relaxed environment and enjoy the family," Sanders said from the Senate floor. "That is a family value that I want to see happen in this country."

The legislation is part of the senator's "family values agenda." As part of the agenda, he also backed legislation that would give an employee 12 weeks of paid leave if they have a child or serious medical condition, as well as a separate bill that would give workers up to seven paid sick days.

On his support for paid sick leave, Sanders added, "I am not crazy about the idea of somebody who is sick coming to to work, preparing the food that I eat in a restaurant."

While Republicans had previously discussed "family values," Sanders said that "generally speaking, what they mean by family values is opposition to a woman's right to choose, opposition to contraception, opposition to gay rights."

Continued here:
Sanders pushes to give Americans a paid vacation TheHill

We already have paid vacations.
Of course you'd have to get a job first. But than those on the gov dole are pretty much on a constant vacation so whats the point?

Not all employees have paid vacations, and the key thing is 10 days. Oh jesus, here we go with the hatred of the poor and stereotyping not based in any reality.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Considering the rest of the modern world gets at least 4 weeks, that would be about time. It's like civilization or something lol...

My wife gets six weeks a year. Of course she had to work to get those six weeks,which I understand is a foreign concept for liberals.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Fuck, look at cuba: Every worker is entitled to enjoy one month of paid annual leave after 11 months of effective work. Workers are also entitled to 9 paid public holidays.[5]

A famous saying in Cuba.
"We pretend to work and they pretend to pay us"

 

[The Rabbi]

This is fantastic.

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) wants to give Americans a paid vacation, as part of a "family values" agenda he outlined Thursday.

Sanders, who is running for the Democratic presidential nomination, said he is introducing a bill, the Guaranteed Paid Vacation Act, that would give 10 days of paid vacation to every employee that had worked for an employer for at least one year. The legislation would apply to employers with at least 15 employees.

"What family values are about is that at least for two weeks a year, people can come together under a relaxed environment and enjoy the family," Sanders said from the Senate floor. "That is a family value that I want to see happen in this country."

The legislation is part of the senator's "family values agenda." As part of the agenda, he also backed legislation that would give an employee 12 weeks of paid leave if they have a child or serious medical condition, as well as a separate bill that would give workers up to seven paid sick days.

On his support for paid sick leave, Sanders added, "I am not crazy about the idea of somebody who is sick coming to to work, preparing the food that I eat in a restaurant."

While Republicans had previously discussed "family values," Sanders said that "generally speaking, what they mean by family values is opposition to a woman's right to choose, opposition to contraception, opposition to gay rights."

Continued here:
Sanders pushes to give Americans a paid vacation TheHill

We already have paid vacations.
Of course you'd have to get a job first. But than those on the gov dole are pretty much on a constant vacation so whats the point?

Not all employees have paid vacations, and the key thing is 10 days. Oh jesus, here we go with the hatred of the poor and stereotyping not based in any reality.

The reality is people earn those vacations by doing a good job, getting raises, and increasing their value to the company.
But you will never understand this. Next you'll want life time employment.

 

[Political Junky]

Fuck, look at cuba: Every worker is entitled to enjoy one month of paid annual leave after 11 months of effective work. Workers are also entitled to 9 paid public holidays.[5]

A famous saying in Cuba.
"We pretend to work and they pretend to pay us"

What can you expect for $20. a month?
Average salary in Cuba rose 1 pct last year to 20 a month Fox News Latino
I'm sure the Right likes this idea for the US.

 

[Socialist]

Considering the rest of the modern world gets at least 4 weeks, that would be about time. It's like civilization or something lol...

My wife gets six weeks a year. Of course she had to work to get those six weeks,which I understand is a foreign concept for liberals.

I'm pretty sure anyone who is employed works. I don't see why most americans on the right hate the idea of workers getting benefits.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Fuck, look at cuba: Every worker is entitled to enjoy one month of paid annual leave after 11 months of effective work. Workers are also entitled to 9 paid public holidays.[5]

A famous saying in Cuba.
"We pretend to work and they pretend to pay us"

What can you expect for $20. a month?
Average salary in Cuba rose 1 pct last year to 20 a month Fox News Latino
I'm sure the Right likes this idea for the US.

You'll have to point out these rightwingers who support cubas way of doing business.
Last time I checked it was nimrods such yourself who championed the workers paradise in cuba.

 

[Socialist]

Fuck, look at cuba: Every worker is entitled to enjoy one month of paid annual leave after 11 months of effective work. Workers are also entitled to 9 paid public holidays.[5]

A famous saying in Cuba.
"We pretend to work and they pretend to pay us"

What can you expect for $20. a month?
Average salary in Cuba rose 1 pct last year to 20 a month Fox News Latino
I'm sure the Right likes this idea for the US.

The thing with cuba is...

• Cubans get free food allowances and are allowed to purchase additional rations of staple foods at cost price from government run bodegas and depots.
• Cuban utility bills are all highly subsidized. The monthly phone, electricity, and gaz bill is only about $2, which is basically nothing when compared to western bills.
• All medical coverage is provided free by the government.
• Gasoline is sold as subsidized costs.
• Education is completely free, even for older people wanting to return to school just for a few classes.
• Beer, alcohol, food is all sold by the state at cost or near cost.
• Rental rates for properties are controlled and most Cubans own their own homes.
• Property taxes and goods and service taxes are zero.

""And in Cuba, it’s not all about money. We can look at some of the other benefits that the average Cuban enjoys. The World Health Organization rates Cuba’s water quality as among the best in the world and ranks its citizens nutrition levels, health and life expectancy as among the best. Despite the average Cuban salary being about $30 per month, it is just enough for the average person to cover all their expenses and to enjoy a few outings with their friends once a month. The lifestyle is not that different from the average westerner. There are less comforts and fewer high end products (no large screen TVs or deluxe computers), but overall, Cubans are far better off than some of the poor African countries where people starve to death daily.
Despite the average wage in Cuba looking like it is extremely low by western standards, we must now factor in the actual cost of living in Cuba. As most people know, Cuba does not have a capitalist economic system. We can take a look at economic subsidies to see how they influence buying power for the average Cuban.""

 

[The Rabbi]

Considering the rest of the modern world gets at least 4 weeks, that would be about time. It's like civilization or something lol...

My wife gets six weeks a year. Of course she had to work to get those six weeks,which I understand is a foreign concept for liberals.

I'm pretty sure anyone who is employed works. I don't see why most americans on the right hate the idea of workers getting benefits.

No, they could be part of a union.
I dont know why the Left feels things people must earn should instead be given to them as a right.

 

[Socialist]

Considering the rest of the modern world gets at least 4 weeks, that would be about time. It's like civilization or something lol...

My wife gets six weeks a year. Of course she had to work to get those six weeks,which I understand is a foreign concept for liberals.

I'm pretty sure anyone who is employed works. I don't see why most americans on the right hate the idea of workers getting benefits.

No, they could be part of a union.
I dont know why the Left feels things people must earn should instead be given to them as a right.

reddit.com/r/shitamericanssay
Talk to anyone from any other country, they're laughing at you.

 

[The Rabbi]

Fuck, look at cuba: Every worker is entitled to enjoy one month of paid annual leave after 11 months of effective work. Workers are also entitled to 9 paid public holidays.[5]

A famous saying in Cuba.
"We pretend to work and they pretend to pay us"

What can you expect for $20. a month?
Average salary in Cuba rose 1 pct last year to 20 a month Fox News Latino
I'm sure the Right likes this idea for the US.

The thing with cuba is...

• Cubans get free food allowances and are allowed to purchase additional rations of staple foods at cost price from government run bodegas and depots.
• Cuban utility bills are all highly subsidized. The monthly phone, electricity, and gaz bill is only about $2, which is basically nothing when compared to western bills.
• All medical coverage is provided free by the government.
• Gasoline is sold as subsidized costs.
• Education is completely free, even for older people wanting to return to school just for a few classes.
• Beer, alcohol, food is all sold by the state at cost or near cost.
• Rental rates for properties are controlled and most Cubans own their own homes.
• Property taxes and goods and service taxes are zero.

""And in Cuba, it’s not all about money. We can look at some of the other benefits that the average Cuban enjoys. The World Health Organization rates Cuba’s water quality as among the best in the world and ranks its citizens nutrition levels, health and life expectancy as among the best. Despite the average Cuban salary being about $30 per month, it is just enough for the average person to cover all their expenses and to enjoy a few outings with their friends once a month. The lifestyle is not that different from the average westerner. There are less comforts and fewer high end products (no large screen TVs or deluxe computers), but overall, Cubans are far better off than some of the poor African countries where people starve to death daily.
Despite the average wage in Cuba looking like it is extremely low by western standards, we must now factor in the actual cost of living in Cuba. As most people know, Cuba does not have a capitalist economic system. We can take a look at economic subsidies to see how they influence buying power for the average Cuban.""

That's why Americans are riskng thier lives weekly to get on rickety rafts and make their way to the paradise that is modern Cuba. Right?

 

[Socialist]

Fuck, look at cuba: Every worker is entitled to enjoy one month of paid annual leave after 11 months of effective work. Workers are also entitled to 9 paid public holidays.[5]

A famous saying in Cuba.
"We pretend to work and they pretend to pay us"

What can you expect for $20. a month?
Average salary in Cuba rose 1 pct last year to 20 a month Fox News Latino
I'm sure the Right likes this idea for the US.

The thing with cuba is...

• Cubans get free food allowances and are allowed to purchase additional rations of staple foods at cost price from government run bodegas and depots.
• Cuban utility bills are all highly subsidized. The monthly phone, electricity, and gaz bill is only about $2, which is basically nothing when compared to western bills.
• All medical coverage is provided free by the government.
• Gasoline is sold as subsidized costs.
• Education is completely free, even for older people wanting to return to school just for a few classes.
• Beer, alcohol, food is all sold by the state at cost or near cost.
• Rental rates for properties are controlled and most Cubans own their own homes.
• Property taxes and goods and service taxes are zero.

""And in Cuba, it’s not all about money. We can look at some of the other benefits that the average Cuban enjoys. The World Health Organization rates Cuba’s water quality as among the best in the world and ranks its citizens nutrition levels, health and life expectancy as among the best. Despite the average Cuban salary being about $30 per month, it is just enough for the average person to cover all their expenses and to enjoy a few outings with their friends once a month. The lifestyle is not that different from the average westerner. There are less comforts and fewer high end products (no large screen TVs or deluxe computers), but overall, Cubans are far better off than some of the poor African countries where people starve to death daily.
Despite the average wage in Cuba looking like it is extremely low by western standards, we must now factor in the actual cost of living in Cuba. As most people know, Cuba does not have a capitalist economic system. We can take a look at economic subsidies to see how they influence buying power for the average Cuban.""

That's why Americans are riskng thier lives weekly to get on rickety rafts and make their way to the paradise that is modern Cuba. Right?

Not at all, no one is trying to claim Cuba is better then America, much like capitalist haiti isn't better then America, however, I look at the facts, and the only people using the rafts were the wealthy cubans after the revolution that the majority in cuba supported, today, a vastly higher number come from capitalist countries that are exploited to get to America, not cuba. Keep trying.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Considering the rest of the modern world gets at least 4 weeks, that would be about time. It's like civilization or something lol...

My wife gets six weeks a year. Of course she had to work to get those six weeks,which I understand is a foreign concept for liberals.

I'm pretty sure anyone who is employed works. I don't see why most americans on the right hate the idea of workers getting benefits.

I have never held a job that didnt offer benefits.
Maybe you should give up on your dream of being self employed as a male prostitute and get a real job.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Fuck, look at cuba: Every worker is entitled to enjoy one month of paid annual leave after 11 months of effective work. Workers are also entitled to 9 paid public holidays.[5]

A famous saying in Cuba.
"We pretend to work and they pretend to pay us"

What can you expect for $20. a month?
Average salary in Cuba rose 1 pct last year to 20 a month Fox News Latino
I'm sure the Right likes this idea for the US.

The thing with cuba is...

• Cubans get free food allowances and are allowed to purchase additional rations of staple foods at cost price from government run bodegas and depots.
• Cuban utility bills are all highly subsidized. The monthly phone, electricity, and gaz bill is only about $2, which is basically nothing when compared to western bills.
• All medical coverage is provided free by the government.
• Gasoline is sold as subsidized costs.
• Education is completely free, even for older people wanting to return to school just for a few classes.
• Beer, alcohol, food is all sold by the state at cost or near cost.
• Rental rates for properties are controlled and most Cubans own their own homes.
• Property taxes and goods and service taxes are zero.

""And in Cuba, it’s not all about money. We can look at some of the other benefits that the average Cuban enjoys. The World Health Organization rates Cuba’s water quality as among the best in the world and ranks its citizens nutrition levels, health and life expectancy as among the best. Despite the average Cuban salary being about $30 per month, it is just enough for the average person to cover all their expenses and to enjoy a few outings with their friends once a month. The lifestyle is not that different from the average westerner. There are less comforts and fewer high end products (no large screen TVs or deluxe computers), but overall, Cubans are far better off than some of the poor African countries where people starve to death daily.
Despite the average wage in Cuba looking like it is extremely low by western standards, we must now factor in the actual cost of living in Cuba. As most people know, Cuba does not have a capitalist economic system. We can take a look at economic subsidies to see how they influence buying power for the average Cuban.""

So in your mind cuba is utopia? So when are you moving?

 

[Socialist]

Considering the rest of the modern world gets at least 4 weeks, that would be about time. It's like civilization or something lol...

My wife gets six weeks a year. Of course she had to work to get those six weeks,which I understand is a foreign concept for liberals.

I'm pretty sure anyone who is employed works. I don't see why most americans on the right hate the idea of workers getting benefits.

I have never held a job that didnt offer benefits.
Maybe you should give up on your dream of being self employed as a male prostitute and get a real job.

Most workers in the fast food industry, retail, minimum wage workers, etc.. lack basic benefits that virtually every other country guarantees, yes, they have some benefits, but let's be real now. I'm not a male prostitute, sorry. Personal attacks are all you have, it's sad.