Sanders: Universal Healthcare and Free College Aren’t Radical Ideas, They Are ‘Human Rights’

[EdwardBaiamonte]

We have to double the deduction from our paychecks to support Medicare. We have to increase taxes somewhere to support Medicaid. That would keep insurance rates from increasing so much.

better to rebate medicare and medicaid taxes to recipients, mandate published national comparable prices, and let them shop with their own money or rebates. This would cut prices in half and increase quality.

 

[Andylusion]

Both men are right. The problem is Bernie's solution for this problem, is socialism for all Americans...which is just another way of saying make government as big and powerful as humanly possible. What could go wrong?

Bull crap. That entire statement is 100% wrong. Both are wrong. There was was not a single supportable claim there.

You may not have understood the context of the statement.

The wealthy like socialism because socialism is big government...and most of the wealthy get their wealth from big government....aka crony capitalism, the wealthy and connected exploit big gov to enrich and empower themselves.

The rest of us are subject to fending for ourselves, hence we are subject to the laws of rugged individualism. The middle class working hard to make peanuts and the poor receiving government handouts, that are less than peanuts.

A common misconception promoted by the media and DNC, is the wealthy are greedy conservative capitalists. Nothing could be further from the truth. If you believe that lie, you need to get informed.

No, I'm sorry, but that is just flat out wrong. Some, a few of the wealthy, get their wealth from Government. The vast vast majority get their wealth, by producing wealth.

The CEO of Walmart, started off, working as a part time seasonal worker, unloading trucks for Walmart during the summer. He did not become wealthy because of government. He became wealthy because he worked his way up the corporate ladder, taking on whatever job he was offered. Working his butt off.

The CEO of my last company, was a low level Engineer for Micro Electronics. When the local branch "Micro-Com" was being sold off, he mortgaged his home, and staked everything he had on buying it. Now he's a millionaire. Government didn't give him his wealth. 20 years of working for Micro Electronics, saving up money from his blood and sweat, and taking the huge risk of staking everything on buying this branch, made him wealthy.

And Micro Electronics, by the way, was built by two guys that started off as low level employees of Radio Shack stores. Government didn't make them wealthy. Their hard work and effort did.

You are wrong. Sanders and King were wrong. All that garbage, is just crap.

Generally speaking, the only people that are made wealthy by government, are the people in government, and those that work socialist projects. Like green energy funding. Yeah, if you hand out money for government projects, that socialists support, not capitalists, then yes, they get wealthy off of government. But that's a dozen wealthy, out of millions.

Wrong. This is your wake up call.

I am talking about the billionaire class, not people who work hard every day building a business...and remember Big Ears said, You didn't build that...

People like Gates, Soros, Buffet, Facebook dork, Google creeps, etc....these jackasses are socialists. These people support leftism and leftist pols...in effect, they own the political class, but the pols like Big Ears expects them to give him lots of money and be out spoken promoters of socialism then BO extends government protection to their interests. Think of it as being EXACTLY like the Mafia.

Read this column. It spells it well.
Why are So Many Rich People Liberals?

That article, and your claims, are not the same. You said these people got rich off government. That is absolutely, 100%, undeniably false.

Buffet is wealthy because of government?

Buffet started investing money when he was a child. And contrary to the claim that he doesn't produce anything, Berkshire Hathaway has invested billions into manufacturing. They own Duracell, Dairy Queen and Fruit of the Loom. They own Clayton Homes, NetJets, and GEICO.

And quiet frankly, you may not like Microsoft, Facebook, and Google, but the fact is, they have created hundreds of trillions of dollars of value, year over year, world wide. Government didn't make them rich. The consumers who choose their products, over your irrelevant opinion, did.

If your position is that ultra-wealthy are generally left-wing, then the article supports that claim. But then I never denied that.

But if your position is that the ultra-wealthy got wealthy through socialism, then the article doesn't make that case, and neither do you. You are wrong.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

But if your position is that the ultra-wealthy got wealthy through socialism, then the article doesn't make that case, and neither do you. You are wrong.

Buffett claims that he got rich thanks to the country and so he wants to give back to the country in a liberal way. too bad the liberal giving back does more harm than good.

 

[Cecilie1200]

We have to double the deduction from our paychecks to support Medicare. We have to increase taxes somewhere to support Medicaid. That would keep insurance rates from increasing so much.

better to rebate medicare and medicaid taxes to recipients, mandate published national comparable prices, and let them shop with their own money or rebates. This would cut prices in half and increase quality.

Not to mention gaining the patients more respect from the providers, who right now respond the way any business would: by prioritizing according to the wishes of the person holding the cash. That should be the patient, not some bureaucrat.

 

[gipper]

Both men are right. The problem is Bernie's solution for this problem, is socialism for all Americans...which is just another way of saying make government as big and powerful as humanly possible. What could go wrong?

Bull crap. That entire statement is 100% wrong. Both are wrong. There was was not a single supportable claim there.

You may not have understood the context of the statement.

The wealthy like socialism because socialism is big government...and most of the wealthy get their wealth from big government....aka crony capitalism, the wealthy and connected exploit big gov to enrich and empower themselves.

The rest of us are subject to fending for ourselves, hence we are subject to the laws of rugged individualism. The middle class working hard to make peanuts and the poor receiving government handouts, that are less than peanuts.

A common misconception promoted by the media and DNC, is the wealthy are greedy conservative capitalists. Nothing could be further from the truth. If you believe that lie, you need to get informed.

No, I'm sorry, but that is just flat out wrong. Some, a few of the wealthy, get their wealth from Government. The vast vast majority get their wealth, by producing wealth.

The CEO of Walmart, started off, working as a part time seasonal worker, unloading trucks for Walmart during the summer. He did not become wealthy because of government. He became wealthy because he worked his way up the corporate ladder, taking on whatever job he was offered. Working his butt off.

The CEO of my last company, was a low level Engineer for Micro Electronics. When the local branch "Micro-Com" was being sold off, he mortgaged his home, and staked everything he had on buying it. Now he's a millionaire. Government didn't give him his wealth. 20 years of working for Micro Electronics, saving up money from his blood and sweat, and taking the huge risk of staking everything on buying this branch, made him wealthy.

And Micro Electronics, by the way, was built by two guys that started off as low level employees of Radio Shack stores. Government didn't make them wealthy. Their hard work and effort did.

You are wrong. Sanders and King were wrong. All that garbage, is just crap.

Generally speaking, the only people that are made wealthy by government, are the people in government, and those that work socialist projects. Like green energy funding. Yeah, if you hand out money for government projects, that socialists support, not capitalists, then yes, they get wealthy off of government. But that's a dozen wealthy, out of millions.

Wrong. This is your wake up call.

I am talking about the billionaire class, not people who work hard every day building a business...and remember Big Ears said, You didn't build that...

People like Gates, Soros, Buffet, Facebook dork, Google creeps, etc....these jackasses are socialists. These people support leftism and leftist pols...in effect, they own the political class, but the pols like Big Ears expects them to give him lots of money and be out spoken promoters of socialism then BO extends government protection to their interests. Think of it as being EXACTLY like the Mafia.

Read this column. It spells it well.
Why are So Many Rich People Liberals?

That article, and your claims, are not the same. You said these people got rich off government. That is absolutely, 100%, undeniably false.

Buffet is wealthy because of government?

Buffet started investing money when he was a child. And contrary to the claim that he doesn't produce anything, Berkshire Hathaway has invested billions into manufacturing. They own Duracell, Dairy Queen and Fruit of the Loom. They own Clayton Homes, NetJets, and GEICO.

And quiet frankly, you may not like Microsoft, Facebook, and Google, but the fact is, they have created hundreds of trillions of dollars of value, year over year, world wide. Government didn't make them rich. The consumers who choose their products, over your irrelevant opinion, did.

If your position is that ultra-wealthy are generally left-wing, then the article supports that claim. But then I never denied that.

But if your position is that the ultra-wealthy got wealthy through socialism, then the article doesn't make that case, and neither do you. You are wrong.

You are not informed.

Some in the billionaire class make extraordinary sums of money because of their connections to government. They may not have started out this way, but once they reach the billionaire class, they buy government protection from competition and obtain sweet heart deals on all sorts of things.

The article I posted should have informed you, but you chose to limit it's scope to my comments in my post. Not the way to look at it.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

More evidence Sanders is off his rocker.

 

[Conservative65]

You think that it's right that I made more money last year than you'll make in your entire life? And, I paid less percentage of my income in federal tax than you did too!

Prove it.

 

[Conservative65]

The greatest nation on the face of the earth ought to have the healthiest and most well educated populace on the face of the earth. No?

Silly nutters.

Those who think one person is owed healthcare and a college education at the expense of others should be the ones voluntarily putting up their own money to do it. No?

Silly bleeding hearts.

 

[Conservative65]

Bernie is correct.

Then Bernie needs to personally finance it with his own money.

 

[Arizona Willie]

Bernie is correct.

Then Bernie needs to personally finance it with his own money.

==========

He will ... just like you right wingers will pay more taxes to pay for the two wars you started == and didn't finish.

Or like you paid for the Medicare Prescription Benefit Bush started too.

You put it all on the nation's credit card because you REFUSE to pay any taxes.

REPUBLICANS ARE DEADBEATS.

 

[Conservative65]

Bernie is correct.

Then Bernie needs to personally finance it with his own money.

==========

He will ... just like you right wingers will pay more taxes to pay for the two wars you started == and didn't finish.

Or like you paid for the Medicare Prescription Benefit Bush started too.

You put it all on the nation's credit card because you REFUSE to pay any taxes.

REPUBLICANS ARE DEADBEATS.

I didn't know those 29 DEMOCRAT Senators voting yes on the Iraq Resolution were right wingers?

So no Democrats voted for or receive the Medicare Prescription Benefit. Sounds to me as if you want Republicans to fund something while Democrats benefit and don't pay.

Refuse to pay any taxes? That would be the freeloaders you support on welfare, food stamps, etc. that get them but don't pay a dime to the pot that funds them.

 

[Andylusion]

Bull crap. That entire statement is 100% wrong. Both are wrong. There was was not a single supportable claim there.

You may not have understood the context of the statement.

The wealthy like socialism because socialism is big government...and most of the wealthy get their wealth from big government....aka crony capitalism, the wealthy and connected exploit big gov to enrich and empower themselves.

The rest of us are subject to fending for ourselves, hence we are subject to the laws of rugged individualism. The middle class working hard to make peanuts and the poor receiving government handouts, that are less than peanuts.

A common misconception promoted by the media and DNC, is the wealthy are greedy conservative capitalists. Nothing could be further from the truth. If you believe that lie, you need to get informed.

No, I'm sorry, but that is just flat out wrong. Some, a few of the wealthy, get their wealth from Government. The vast vast majority get their wealth, by producing wealth.

The CEO of Walmart, started off, working as a part time seasonal worker, unloading trucks for Walmart during the summer. He did not become wealthy because of government. He became wealthy because he worked his way up the corporate ladder, taking on whatever job he was offered. Working his butt off.

The CEO of my last company, was a low level Engineer for Micro Electronics. When the local branch "Micro-Com" was being sold off, he mortgaged his home, and staked everything he had on buying it. Now he's a millionaire. Government didn't give him his wealth. 20 years of working for Micro Electronics, saving up money from his blood and sweat, and taking the huge risk of staking everything on buying this branch, made him wealthy.

And Micro Electronics, by the way, was built by two guys that started off as low level employees of Radio Shack stores. Government didn't make them wealthy. Their hard work and effort did.

You are wrong. Sanders and King were wrong. All that garbage, is just crap.

Generally speaking, the only people that are made wealthy by government, are the people in government, and those that work socialist projects. Like green energy funding. Yeah, if you hand out money for government projects, that socialists support, not capitalists, then yes, they get wealthy off of government. But that's a dozen wealthy, out of millions.

Wrong. This is your wake up call.

I am talking about the billionaire class, not people who work hard every day building a business...and remember Big Ears said, You didn't build that...

People like Gates, Soros, Buffet, Facebook dork, Google creeps, etc....these jackasses are socialists. These people support leftism and leftist pols...in effect, they own the political class, but the pols like Big Ears expects them to give him lots of money and be out spoken promoters of socialism then BO extends government protection to their interests. Think of it as being EXACTLY like the Mafia.

Read this column. It spells it well.
Why are So Many Rich People Liberals?

That article, and your claims, are not the same. You said these people got rich off government. That is absolutely, 100%, undeniably false.

Buffet is wealthy because of government?

Buffet started investing money when he was a child. And contrary to the claim that he doesn't produce anything, Berkshire Hathaway has invested billions into manufacturing. They own Duracell, Dairy Queen and Fruit of the Loom. They own Clayton Homes, NetJets, and GEICO.

And quiet frankly, you may not like Microsoft, Facebook, and Google, but the fact is, they have created hundreds of trillions of dollars of value, year over year, world wide. Government didn't make them rich. The consumers who choose their products, over your irrelevant opinion, did.

If your position is that ultra-wealthy are generally left-wing, then the article supports that claim. But then I never denied that.

But if your position is that the ultra-wealthy got wealthy through socialism, then the article doesn't make that case, and neither do you. You are wrong.

You are not informed.

Some in the billionaire class make extraordinary sums of money because of their connections to government. They may not have started out this way, but once they reach the billionaire class, they buy government protection from competition and obtain sweet heart deals on all sorts of things.

The article I posted should have informed you, but you chose to limit it's scope to my comments in my post. Not the way to look at it.

Getting sweet heart deals on what?

I've read your article, and it doesn't support the claim you made. Period. Even the article itself, admits they didn't get rich off government, and even does a intellectual dance, to avoid admitting it.

From the article YOU POSTED....

Today’s socialist rich appropriate for themselves the existing wealth of the nation through media, television, newspapers, advertising, fashion or the arts. They are movie producers, TV producers, movie idols and TV stars. They are involved in publishing, communications and information like Michael Bloomberg, the multi-billionaire liberal mayor of New York City, whose Bloomberg News service carries financial stories and data.

But no oil drilling, or coal mining or tractor manufacturing…

Or they get rich through computers or the internet, which is information and data as well. Google is super liberal, and its employees gave 98% of their campaign contributions to Obama in 2008.​

They "appropriate" money from media? Television? Newspapers? Advertising? Fashion and Arts?

Appropriate? Are you telling me, that Americans do not CHOOSE to pay for such things? They are buying those things, because they want those things. Because those things have VALUE to the people buying them. There is absolutely no economic, or capitalist difference between people paying for Oil, and people paying for a newspaper.

The only reason people pay anything for either one, is because either one has value to those buying them.

Even so, what the article is in fact admitting is that didn't make their billions off of government, but rather off of producing goods and services people value.

I even like how they selectively list things that none of the people are involved in. Oil production. Coal production. Manufacturing tractors. What's that about? Because Buffet has spent billions producing natural gas. Neat that they skip over that resource. And while Google hasn't produced many tractors, they do produce phones, laptop computers, and several other nifty items still in development. All that ignores the software products that allow other people to make manufactured goods that use that software.

Again, my argument to you is not that some of the super wealthy are flaming left-wing freaks. They most certainly are.

My argument is with the idea that the super wealthy have their wealth through socialism. It's simply not true. Facebook is a service people like. That's why Zuckerberg has money. He didn't get it from government. He didn't "appropriate" it.

Now if you want to argue that Americans should spend less money on entertainment, and media.... That again, is a claim I wouldn't be against.

But look what is happening right here, right now... as we speak. Where do you think US Message Board get's money from? People like you and me, on here, seeing ads, and donating money. Is US message board socialist? It's just an information exchange, which the article you posted claims to be against.

How is you on here, supporting US Message Board, any different than other people using Facebook, which supports Zuckerberg?

Same difference.

 

[Andylusion]

Bernie is correct.

Then Bernie needs to personally finance it with his own money.

==========

He will ... just like you right wingers will pay more taxes to pay for the two wars you started == and didn't finish.

Or like you paid for the Medicare Prescription Benefit Bush started too.

You put it all on the nation's credit card because you REFUSE to pay any taxes.

REPUBLICANS ARE DEADBEATS.

It's amazing how everyone claims everyone else isn't paying taxes.

How much in taxes have you paid?

 

[Conservative65]

Bernie is correct.

Then Bernie needs to personally finance it with his own money.

==========

He will ... just like you right wingers will pay more taxes to pay for the two wars you started == and didn't finish.

Or like you paid for the Medicare Prescription Benefit Bush started too.

You put it all on the nation's credit card because you REFUSE to pay any taxes.

REPUBLICANS ARE DEADBEATS.

It's amazing how everyone claims everyone else isn't paying taxes.

How much in taxes have you paid?

I made the claim that almost half don't pay INCOME taxes. I realize those same people pay other taxes, the ones Liberals think excuses them from paying income taxes.

 

[Arizona Willie]

Bernie is correct.

Then Bernie needs to personally finance it with his own money.

==========

He will ... just like you right wingers will pay more taxes to pay for the two wars you started == and didn't finish.

Or like you paid for the Medicare Prescription Benefit Bush started too.

You put it all on the nation's credit card because you REFUSE to pay any taxes.

REPUBLICANS ARE DEADBEATS.

I didn't know those 29 DEMOCRAT Senators voting yes on the Iraq Resolution were right wingers?

So no Democrats voted for or receive the Medicare Prescription Benefit. Sounds to me as if you want Republicans to fund something while Democrats benefit and don't pay.

Refuse to pay any taxes? That would be the freeloaders you support on welfare, food stamps, etc. that get them but don't pay a dime to the pot that funds them.
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The Democrats who voted for the wars were LIED TO by the REPUBLICAN who was starting them.

They made a huge mistake.

They TRUSTED the President of the United States.

They didn't believe he would lie to them.

THEY WERE WRONG.

They are also mostly Blue Dog Democrats from the South who are actually Republicans but who run as Democrats because of tradition in their area. They caucas and vote with the Republicans 98% of the time and < SHOULD > be counted as Republicans.

It is REPUBLICAN Congressmen ( mostly ) who have signed Grover Norquists treasonous pledges to NEVER vote for ANY tax no matter what it was for. They wipe their ass with their Congressional Oath of Office and instead of doing the best for the country they do the best for their re-election campaigns and refuse to vote for any taxes.

As I said, before we had an Income Tax Surcharge and we came out of the Vietnam war with very little debt ... but we have a mountain of debt now that your grandkids will be paying the interest on because of REPUBLICANS refusing to pay the bills they made.

You can slither around all you want but there is no way to avoid the fact that REPUBLICANS started the wars and REPUBLICANS funded the wars on the nations credit card instead of paying any extra taxes to " pay as we go " ( which is how the Democrats try to do things ).

REPUBLICANS ARE DEADBEATS WHO REFUSE TO PAY THEIR BILLS.

 

[Arizona Willie]

Bernie is correct.

Then Bernie needs to personally finance it with his own money.

==========

He will ... just like you right wingers will pay more taxes to pay for the two wars you started == and didn't finish.

Or like you paid for the Medicare Prescription Benefit Bush started too.

You put it all on the nation's credit card because you REFUSE to pay any taxes.

REPUBLICANS ARE DEADBEATS.

It's amazing how everyone claims everyone else isn't paying taxes.

How much in taxes have you paid?

===========

Not EVERYONE --- ONLY REPUBLICANS claim half the country pays no taxes. They ignore the sales and property and rental taxes that poor people pay. They only want to talk about Fed Income Tax which the government has decided that poor people shouldn't have to pay Fed Income tax.

Most of the people who qualify for no Fed Tax are either handicapped and / or work at minimum wage jobs and make less than $20K / year. But the heartless bastards who don't want to pay any taxes want people who are on verge of starvation to pay Fed Income Tax.

Republican voters always think everyone is out to fuck them and steal from them.

No one works for their money --- except THEM ( and they aren't too damn sure about other Republicans ).

Everyone is trying to steal from them.

Taxes are theft ( in their view ).

They don't want to pay for ANYTHING.

REPUBLICANS ARE DEADBEATS WHO REFUSE TO PAY THEIR BILLS.

 

[Arizona Willie]

Bernie is correct.

Then Bernie needs to personally finance it with his own money.

==========

He will ... just like you right wingers will pay more taxes to pay for the two wars you started == and didn't finish.

Or like you paid for the Medicare Prescription Benefit Bush started too.

You put it all on the nation's credit card because you REFUSE to pay any taxes.

REPUBLICANS ARE DEADBEATS.

It's amazing how everyone claims everyone else isn't paying taxes.

How much in taxes have you paid?

I made the claim that almost half don't pay INCOME taxes. I realize those same people pay other taxes, the ones Liberals think excuses them from paying income taxes.

====
No, the Federal Government says they should not have to pay taxes because they are too poor to afford to pay taxes.

The majority of those people make less than $20K / year and are on the verge of starvation. Many of them are handicapped. Most of them actually work but don't make a decent wage thanks to the Republican owners of the businesses they work for.

When the Income Tax was first started --- only property owners ( the wealthy of the day ) paid taxes. Even then those ultra conservative people realized that the very poor should not be taxed.

It's a moral question which is why Republicans don't understand the principle why the very poor should not be taxed out of their last dollar.

Republicans HAVE no morals.

 

[regent]

We discovered one of the causes of depressions is that people that spend the money need money to spend. If the poor have no money to spend, goods stay on the shelves and manufacturers slow production and lay off workers, Now workers are poor and they stop buying and so it goes. The rich spend the same amount but it is not enough to keep the factories rolling or the country prosperous.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

We discovered one of the causes of depressions is that people that spend the money need money to spend. If the poor have no money to spend, goods stay on the shelves and manufacturers slow production and lay off workers, Now workers are poor and they stop buying and so it goes. The rich spend the same amount but it is not enough to keep the factories rolling or the country prosperous.

We discovered one of the causes of depressions is that people that spend the money need money to spend.

If we tax you an extra $10,000 to give money to people to buy $10,000 worth of your production, we're saved?

 

[Andylusion]

Bernie is correct.

Then Bernie needs to personally finance it with his own money.

==========

He will ... just like you right wingers will pay more taxes to pay for the two wars you started == and didn't finish.

Or like you paid for the Medicare Prescription Benefit Bush started too.

You put it all on the nation's credit card because you REFUSE to pay any taxes.

REPUBLICANS ARE DEADBEATS.

It's amazing how everyone claims everyone else isn't paying taxes.

How much in taxes have you paid?

===========

Not EVERYONE --- ONLY REPUBLICANS claim half the country pays no taxes. They ignore the sales and property and rental taxes that poor people pay. They only want to talk about Fed Income Tax which the government has decided that poor people shouldn't have to pay Fed Income tax.

Most of the people who qualify for no Fed Tax are either handicapped and / or work at minimum wage jobs and make less than $20K / year. But the heartless bastards who don't want to pay any taxes want people who are on verge of starvation to pay Fed Income Tax.

Republican voters always think everyone is out to fuck them and steal from them.

No one works for their money --- except THEM ( and they aren't too damn sure about other Republicans ).

Everyone is trying to steal from them.

Taxes are theft ( in their view ).

They don't want to pay for ANYTHING.

REPUBLICANS ARE DEADBEATS WHO REFUSE TO PAY THEIR BILLS.

Taxes ARE theft. It is. Only in leftard land, can you take money from someone who rightfully earned it, and claim that's not stealing. If someone came and stole money from your wallet directly, you'd grasp what theft is pretty quick. But when it's some other person's wallet... suddenly you think that's morally right.

First, I have never heard a Republican, of any kind, ever say that poor people no taxes ever.

They say that they do not pay INCOME taxes, which is 100% true.

But if you want to count all taxes, property, sales, excise, Social Security, Medicare, State and Local taxes..... yes poor people pay taxes. You include those taxes with how much the rich pay income tax.... and they pay 100 times as much in taxes as the poor.... COMBINED.

No matter how you cut it, no matter what taxes you include, or do not include, the rich pay a hundred times as much in taxes as the poor ever do.

But as with all spoiled brat mentalities.... it's never enough. No matter what you get, no matter what they pay, no matter how many freebies are handed out, you always demand more, and more, and more.... which is why the rich end up packing up their stuff and moving out. Leaving you unemployed and impoverished. It's happened in every country that it's been tried. The soviet union at the end, was in starvation. People were eating each other.

That's your legacy. And that's your future if you succeed.