Say Again...Who Won The Popular Vote??

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Whether it's applying for citizenship or getting social security numbers, if you can get something with minimal effort why do it legally?

Right again!

"Social Security: Migrants Offer Numbers for Fee
TLALCHAPA, Mexico - Gerardo Luviano is looking for somebody to rent his Social Security number.

Mr. Luviano, 39, obtained legal residence in the United States almost 20 years ago. But these days, back in Mexico, teaching beekeeping at the local high school in this hot, dusty town in the southwestern part of the country, Mr. Luviano is not using his Social Security number. So he is looking for an illegal immigrant in the United States to use it for him -- providing a little cash along the way.

The number of people participating in the illegal deals is impossible to determine accurately. But it is clearly significant, flourishing despite efforts to combat identity fraud.

Demand for American identities has blossomed in the cracks between the nation's increasingly unwelcoming immigration laws and businesses' unremitting demand for low-wage labor."
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/07/business/social-security-migrants-offer-numbers-for-fee.html?_r=0

You know you're fucking retarded, right?

Let's walk this through, shall we?

An illegal alien goes to the DMV to obtain an AB60 license. Said illegal has to present some form of documentation to prove residency as specified here --> dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/online/ab60_checklist Assuming all checks out well, said alien is given an AB60 driver's license.

Our example illegal alien then "rents" Mr. Luviano's social security number... assuming it's not already red flagged by the social security administration AND assuming Mr. Luviano is still alive ....

Our illegal alien then proceeds to register to vote with their new driver's license and social security number... at which point, those numbers are validated...

Said illegal alien is denied a voter's registration because the name on their license, which had to match the name on the documentation they provided to get their license, does not match the name attached to Gerardo Luviano's social security number. Neither do their birth dates match.

How difficult do you think it is for an illegal to get a fake document to use under the assumed name? Is it tough to come up with a lease in an assumed name? Is it tough to find someone who will forge a Mexican identification card for you?

Why would an illegal ever do something so illegal?
Who could have ever guessed? Wink, wink.

You libs are either really gullible about the world or just want to fight for this stuff because you know almost all the votes are going to your side.

California really should just leave the country. It's time to dump you morons in the ocean.


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So you invented a fantasy and are trying to pass it off as real without a shred of evidence, eh?

Get help, kid.

Go to a Spanish flea market. So much for your fantasy. Try some reality. They commit identity theft every day. Here's a link to wake you up. Don't ask for more facts because it is all in there.

Illegal, but Not Undocumented




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And this pertinent section of your link:


"Illegal immigration and high levels of identity theft go hand-in-hand. States with the most illegal immigration also have high levels of job-related identity theft. In Arizona, 33 percent or all identity theft is job-related (as opposed to identity theft motivated simply by profit). In Texas it is 27 percent; in New Mexico, 23 percent; in Colorado, 22 percent; California, 20 percent; and in Nevada, 16 percent. Eight of the 10 states with the highest percentage of illegal aliens in their total population are among the top 10 states in identity theft (Arizona, California, Florida, Texas, Nevada, New York, Georgia, and Colorado)."

 

[Faun]

davecmarino, post: 16164972

Here's to you for not understanding the difference between the federal law against non-citizens voting and a state law in California that will accept an affidavit as proof of citizenship in lieu of a certified birth certificate.

I understand fully the difference. Some legal residents in this country don't have access to a birth certificate. The affidavit process is tougher and longer process. One still has to prove legal status as a citizen to get a US citizen DL. If you can't you get the non-citizen license and can't vote. Just as you have admitted even when applying on line.

I posted the California requirements for proof of citizenship in order to register to vote.

Your claim that California writes laws and loopholes in order to skirt the law is preposterous and absolutely unbelievable.

You are not very believable to begin with.

You are incorrect again.

The affidavit available under California Election Code 2112 is not for getting the drivers license but for a registration to vote.

It is deemed to be substantive proof of citizenship in lieu of requiring a birth certificate.

Also, the online application has no demand for a copy of the birth certificate just a Drivers License number and Social Security number

So again you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

It comes down to does California actually screen the AB 60 Licenses and the answer is that they don't. The law is written to forbid it, the DMV legal staff confirmed that there is no process in place to identify the AB60 licenses separately and no intent to do so, and the Secretary of State has stated that the procedures on their end would not be in place until after the election.

Say again how it isn't plainly clear what is going on in California.


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Still waiting for you to show how illegal aliens are obtaining legal social security numbers...

Ask Obama about the 541,000 Social security numbers issued to dreamers as reported by the Washington Times and disclosed in a letter that was made public by Congress.

You can also get a social security card if your country is designated under the TPS system such as El Salvador, Honduras, and Nicaragua currently are. While the TPS is in place you can get a SS card even though you are illegal.

Then there is the ones who were issued social security cards under the original DL systems where the states who were issuing DL to illegals required them to have a social security number so SSA just issued the cards and never revoked them. This system has been discontinued but it has been disclosed that almost over a million numbers were issued before it ended.

I find it funny that you want to keep asking stupid questions like you know the answer and then when I provide you with a real answer like the above you will continue to deny what is readily apparent.

That fact is that there are many paths available for these people to circumvent the law and California strives to create systems that provide many of them the means to do so.




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<smh>

HOW OBAMA'S 'DREAMERS' WILL GET SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS AND BECOME LEGAL RESIDENTS

That’s because along with the work visa, all the new DREAMers will be eligible for a permanent and fully functioning Social Security Number. With a social security number, one can get credit, a driver’s license in most states, and be eligible to work legally. While DREAMers will be identified clearly in their social security cards, many employers don’t require actually showing the card for identification purposes during the employment screening process.​

Regarding immigrants from TPS countries, it applies only to legal non-citizens who's work is authorized by homeland security, which I already pointed out to you earlier. And just like for DREAMers, their social security card contains special designation for work only and cannot be used to obtain voter's registration

TYPES OF CARDS ISSUED

On September 14, 1992, SSA began printing the legend "VALID FOR WORK ONLY WITH INS AUTHORIZATION" on cards issued to noncitizens lawfully in the U.S. with temporary authority to work. In these cases, employers must look at the noncitizen's INS document to determine if the noncitizen has current authorization to work in the U.S.​

Again, not valid for registering to vote.

 

[davecmarino]

Right again!

"Social Security: Migrants Offer Numbers for Fee
TLALCHAPA, Mexico - Gerardo Luviano is looking for somebody to rent his Social Security number.

Mr. Luviano, 39, obtained legal residence in the United States almost 20 years ago. But these days, back in Mexico, teaching beekeeping at the local high school in this hot, dusty town in the southwestern part of the country, Mr. Luviano is not using his Social Security number. So he is looking for an illegal immigrant in the United States to use it for him -- providing a little cash along the way.

The number of people participating in the illegal deals is impossible to determine accurately. But it is clearly significant, flourishing despite efforts to combat identity fraud.

Demand for American identities has blossomed in the cracks between the nation's increasingly unwelcoming immigration laws and businesses' unremitting demand for low-wage labor."
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/07/business/social-security-migrants-offer-numbers-for-fee.html?_r=0

You know you're fucking retarded, right?

Let's walk this through, shall we?

An illegal alien goes to the DMV to obtain an AB60 license. Said illegal has to present some form of documentation to prove residency as specified here --> dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/online/ab60_checklist Assuming all checks out well, said alien is given an AB60 driver's license.

Our example illegal alien then "rents" Mr. Luviano's social security number... assuming it's not already red flagged by the social security administration AND assuming Mr. Luviano is still alive ....

Our illegal alien then proceeds to register to vote with their new driver's license and social security number... at which point, those numbers are validated...

Said illegal alien is denied a voter's registration because the name on their license, which had to match the name on the documentation they provided to get their license, does not match the name attached to Gerardo Luviano's social security number. Neither do their birth dates match.

How difficult do you think it is for an illegal to get a fake document to use under the assumed name? Is it tough to come up with a lease in an assumed name? Is it tough to find someone who will forge a Mexican identification card for you?

Why would an illegal ever do something so illegal?
Who could have ever guessed? Wink, wink.

You libs are either really gullible about the world or just want to fight for this stuff because you know almost all the votes are going to your side.

California really should just leave the country. It's time to dump you morons in the ocean.


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So you invented a fantasy and are trying to pass it off as real without a shred of evidence, eh?

Get help, kid.

Go to a Spanish flea market. So much for your fantasy. Try some reality. They commit identity theft every day. Here's a link to wake you up. Don't ask for more facts because it is all in there.

Illegal, but Not Undocumented




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Show me proof millions of illegals voted, tard.

All you have is a masturbation fantasy.

Try some Lexis Nexis and some reality tard. Identy fraud is happening every day. California just makes it easier. Lexis Nexis even mentioned the AB 60 by name. No reality libs. Want to fall for whatever the State of California says in spite of what the reality is in their state. The illegals are walking all over you and laughing at your dumb asses.

https://www.lexisnexis.com/risk/downloads/whitepaper/dmv-white-paper.pdf


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[Faun]

davecmarino, post: 16165161

Also, the online application has no demand for a copy of the birth certificate just a Drivers License number and Social Security number

So again you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

But the citizens drivers license requires a birth certificate or an second process affidavit proving citizenship, An illegal immigrant wanting to vote has to get a normal issued DL to citizens only.

He gets nowhere with an AB60 DL on the 2112 Ejection Code affidavit in order to register to vote.



Or he drives but can't vote:

The AB60 applicant has to show proof of identity.

California Driver License or California Identification Card:

One of these;

•  California Driver License (issued 10/2000 in or after)
  
  
•  California Identification Card (issued 10/2000 in or after)
  
  Foreign Document that is valid, approved by the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) and electronically verified by DMV with the country of origin:

•  Mexican Federal Electoral Card (Instituto Federal Electoral (IFE) Credencial para Votar – 2013 version)
  
  
•  Mexican Institute National Electoral Card (Instituto Nacional Electoral (INE) Credencial para Votar – 2014 version)
  
  
•  Mexican Passport (issued in 2008 or later and includes digital photo and digital signature)
  
  
•  Mexican Consular Card (Matricula Consular – 2006 or 2014 versions)
  
  Foreign Passport that is valid and approved by DMV (see page 4 & 5 for list of DMV approved passports). The customer must also provide his/her social security number (SSN) that is electronically verifiable with the Social Security Administration.
  
  
  Or if not available two of these;
  
  
  Foreign Document that is valid and approved by DMV:
  •  Argentinian Identification Card (Documento Nacional de Identidad (DNI) – 2009 or 2012 version)
    
    
  •  Brazilian Consular Card (Carteira de Matricula Consular – 2010 version)
    
    
  •  Chilean Identification Card (Cedula de Identidad – 2013 version)
    
    
  •  Colombian Consular Card (Consular Registration – 2015 version)
    
    
  •  Ecuadorian National Identification Card (Cedula de Ciudadania – 2006 and 2009 version)
    
    
  •  Ecuadorian Consular Card (Tarjeta De Identificacion Consular – 2015 version)
    
    
  •  El Salvadorian Identification Card (Documento Unico de Identidad (DUI) – 2010 version)
    
    
  •  Guatemalan National Identification Card (Documento Personal de Identificacion (DPI) – 2012 version)
    
    
  •  Guatemalan Consular Card (Tarjeta de Identificacion Consular – 2002 and 2015 version)
    
    
  •  Korean Identification Card (September 2016 version)
    
    
  •  Nicaraguan National Identification Card (Cedula de Identidad – 2010 version)
    
    
  •  Peruvian Identification Card (Documento Nacional de Identidad (DNI) – 2005 version)
    
    
  •  Foreign Passports (see pages 4 & 5 for list of DMV approved passports) – This is an option for customers who do not have a verifiable SSN as provided in Table A.
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  Your claim that California wants illegals to violate their own laws and vote is right wing fake news and gullible deplorables falling for it.

Sure. That's why illegals are registering other people to vote in California. The illegal is the gatekeeper for another person to register.

California and the liberals in it as as full of shit as it comes.


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LOLOL

As you've been shown every way possible, it remains illegal for illegal aliens to vote in California and there is no clear path to voter registration.

 

[davecmarino]

davecmarino, post: 16164972

Here's to you for not understanding the difference between the federal law against non-citizens voting and a state law in California that will accept an affidavit as proof of citizenship in lieu of a certified birth certificate.

I understand fully the difference. Some legal residents in this country don't have access to a birth certificate. The affidavit process is tougher and longer process. One still has to prove legal status as a citizen to get a US citizen DL. If you can't you get the non-citizen license and can't vote. Just as you have admitted even when applying on line.

I posted the California requirements for proof of citizenship in order to register to vote.

Your claim that California writes laws and loopholes in order to skirt the law is preposterous and absolutely unbelievable.

You are not very believable to begin with.

You are incorrect again.

The affidavit available under California Election Code 2112 is not for getting the drivers license but for a registration to vote.

It is deemed to be substantive proof of citizenship in lieu of requiring a birth certificate.

Also, the online application has no demand for a copy of the birth certificate just a Drivers License number and Social Security number

So again you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

It comes down to does California actually screen the AB 60 Licenses and the answer is that they don't. The law is written to forbid it, the DMV legal staff confirmed that there is no process in place to identify the AB60 licenses separately and no intent to do so, and the Secretary of State has stated that the procedures on their end would not be in place until after the election.

Say again how it isn't plainly clear what is going on in California.


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Still waiting for you to show how illegal aliens are obtaining legal social security numbers...

Ask Obama about the 541,000 Social security numbers issued to dreamers as reported by the Washington Times and disclosed in a letter that was made public by Congress.

You can also get a social security card if your country is designated under the TPS system such as El Salvador, Honduras, and Nicaragua currently are. While the TPS is in place you can get a SS card even though you are illegal.

Then there is the ones who were issued social security cards under the original DL systems where the states who were issuing DL to illegals required them to have a social security number so SSA just issued the cards and never revoked them. This system has been discontinued but it has been disclosed that almost over a million numbers were issued before it ended.

I find it funny that you want to keep asking stupid questions like you know the answer and then when I provide you with a real answer like the above you will continue to deny what is readily apparent.

That fact is that there are many paths available for these people to circumvent the law and California strives to create systems that provide many of them the means to do so.




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<smh>

HOW OBAMA'S 'DREAMERS' WILL GET SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS AND BECOME LEGAL RESIDENTS

That’s because along with the work visa, all the new DREAMers will be eligible for a permanent and fully functioning Social Security Number. With a social security number, one can get credit, a driver’s license in most states, and be eligible to work legally. While DREAMers will be identified clearly in their social security cards, many employers don’t require actually showing the card for identification purposes during the employment screening process.​

Regarding immigrants from TPS countries, it applies only to legal non-citizens who's work is authorized by homeland security, which I already pointed out to you earlier. And just like for DREAMers, their social security card contains special designation for work only and cannot be used to obtain voter's registration

TYPES OF CARDS ISSUED

On September 14, 1992, SSA began printing the legend "VALID FOR WORK ONLY WITH INS AUTHORIZATION" on cards issued to noncitizens lawfully in the U.S. with temporary authority to work. In these cases, employers must look at the noncitizen's INS document to determine if the noncitizen has current authorization to work in the U.S.​

Again, not valid for registering to vote.

With the dreamers you could get that status as an illegal through application. If you were already here legally, you weren't a dreamer because your coming legally had already put you on the path to citizenship.

On TPS, you are dead wrong as it is specifically for illegals:
Once granted TPS, an individual also cannot be detained by DHS on the basis of his or her immigration status in the United States.

TPS is a temporary benefit that does not lead to lawful permanent resident status or give any other immigration status. However, registration for TPS does not prevent you from applying for nonimmigrant status

But keep making your stupid shit up

You asked for ways that illegals could get social security cards and I gave you three way which has easily enabled over 2 million Illegals to gain the card

I am damn sure they are voting with it with most of them probably in California.

You wanted proof, well there it is and there is absolutely no way of denying it. These are 100% verifiable programs that you pretended didn't exist.

You still going to deny all the illegal ways that the illegals use to circumvent the system?

Sucks to be you. Everyone knows what California is about. You make like the stereotype is undeserved.


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[PoliticalChic]

davecmarino, post: 16165161

Also, the online application has no demand for a copy of the birth certificate just a Drivers License number and Social Security number

So again you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

But the citizens drivers license requires a birth certificate or an second process affidavit proving citizenship, An illegal immigrant wanting to vote has to get a normal issued DL to citizens only.

He gets nowhere with an AB60 DL on the 2112 Ejection Code affidavit in order to register to vote.



Or he drives but can't vote:

The AB60 applicant has to show proof of identity.

California Driver License or California Identification Card:

One of these;

•  California Driver License (issued 10/2000 in or after)
  
  
•  California Identification Card (issued 10/2000 in or after)
  
  Foreign Document that is valid, approved by the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) and electronically verified by DMV with the country of origin:

•  Mexican Federal Electoral Card (Instituto Federal Electoral (IFE) Credencial para Votar – 2013 version)
  
  
•  Mexican Institute National Electoral Card (Instituto Nacional Electoral (INE) Credencial para Votar – 2014 version)
  
  
•  Mexican Passport (issued in 2008 or later and includes digital photo and digital signature)
  
  
•  Mexican Consular Card (Matricula Consular – 2006 or 2014 versions)
  
  Foreign Passport that is valid and approved by DMV (see page 4 & 5 for list of DMV approved passports). The customer must also provide his/her social security number (SSN) that is electronically verifiable with the Social Security Administration.
  
  
  Or if not available two of these;
  
  
  Foreign Document that is valid and approved by DMV:
  •  Argentinian Identification Card (Documento Nacional de Identidad (DNI) – 2009 or 2012 version)
    
    
  •  Brazilian Consular Card (Carteira de Matricula Consular – 2010 version)
    
    
  •  Chilean Identification Card (Cedula de Identidad – 2013 version)
    
    
  •  Colombian Consular Card (Consular Registration – 2015 version)
    
    
  •  Ecuadorian National Identification Card (Cedula de Ciudadania – 2006 and 2009 version)
    
    
  •  Ecuadorian Consular Card (Tarjeta De Identificacion Consular – 2015 version)
    
    
  •  El Salvadorian Identification Card (Documento Unico de Identidad (DUI) – 2010 version)
    
    
  •  Guatemalan National Identification Card (Documento Personal de Identificacion (DPI) – 2012 version)
    
    
  •  Guatemalan Consular Card (Tarjeta de Identificacion Consular – 2002 and 2015 version)
    
    
  •  Korean Identification Card (September 2016 version)
    
    
  •  Nicaraguan National Identification Card (Cedula de Identidad – 2010 version)
    
    
  •  Peruvian Identification Card (Documento Nacional de Identidad (DNI) – 2005 version)
    
    
  •  Foreign Passports (see pages 4 & 5 for list of DMV approved passports) – This is an option for customers who do not have a verifiable SSN as provided in Table A.
  Request Rejected
  
  
  Your claim that California wants illegals to violate their own laws and vote is right wing fake news and gullible deplorables falling for it.

Sure. That's why illegals are registering other people to vote in California. The illegal is the gatekeeper for another person to register.

California and the liberals in it as as full of shit as it comes.


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LOLOL

As you've been shown every way possible, it remains illegal for illegal aliens to vote in California and there is no clear path to voter registration.

"...it remains illegal ...."


Which reveals yet another of your lacunae: history.

But I'm here to help:
"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything."
The predecessor of the current Democrats, Joseph Stalin

And the very same concept applies to those checking for legal documents to vote.


Know what that means?
Here's a hint:
"12 States (and DC) That Allow Driver's Licenses for People in the Country Illegally" 12 States (and DC) That Allow Driver's Licenses for People in the Country Illegally - Illegal Immigration - ProCon.org


"If you’ve visited the DMV in the last few weeks, you may have noticed that you can now complete your voter registration at the same time you renew your driver’s license — without having to fill out a separate form.... they will be registered as having no party preference. " Registered to vote at the DMV? Check again. Many who use the new process miss a vital step two



Ready?


How many of the 12 states plus DC that allow illegals to get drivers licenses, and have voter registration in the same place (what a coincidence!) did Bill's wife win???


C'mon....guess.

 

[Faun]

davecmarino, post: 16164711

More California law that helps the illegals skirt the rules. You don't have to prove your citizenship when you register to vote. It is assumed just by you filling out an affidavit.

Very simply you are not telling us the truth;

Driver License or Identification Card Number or, if None, Partial Social Security Number

A person must provide a driver license or state identification card number where it is requested on the affidavit. If a person does not have a driver license or state identification card number, the person must provide the last four digits of their social security number.

If county elections officials verify that the person does not have any of the above numbers, a unique identification number will be assigned to the person.

County elections officials must verify all identification numbers provided for a person, as well as the absence of a driver license or state identification number for those who do not provide one. Additionally, if the last four digits of a social security number are provided, the county elections officials must confirm those with the Social Security Administration.

Conflicting information can delay processing of the application, such as when the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) indicates a different driver license number for the person in question, or DMV indicates a driver license for a person when the person has not provided one.

Guide to Voter Registration Drives | California Secretary of State


You know you have to provide a birth certificate to get a DL or ID in California.

So showing a birth certificate is a done deal when one shows a DL # on the 2112 Affidavit to register to vote.

An AB60 DL will not get through and if they check they are a US CITIZEN and write down an AB60 DL #, they have committed perjury and that is very easily detectable.

They will never vote.

Nobody is checking that it is an AB60 license. The CA-DMV has already admitted that there is no separate list of drivers license numbers that identify them as AB60 licenses.

You refuse to get that through your head.

You also refuse to acknowledge that the Secretary of State has already stated that the procedures for checking registered voters against the license records would not be available until after the election.

So an AB60 license and an affidavit got you registered in California prior to the election.




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Stop lying. The DMV does not transmit data for AB60 license holders to the Secretary of State's office for voter registration.

Again.... for the hard of learning...

Election Code, Division II, Chapter 4.5 § 2263

(d) The department shall not electronically provide records of a person who applies for or is issued a driver’s license pursuant to Section 12801.9 of the Vehicle Code because he or she is unable to submit satisfactory proof that his or her presence in the United States is authorized under federal law.​

Section 12801.9 of the California Vehicle code is an AB60 license.

Now stop lying.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

davecmarino, post: 16166261

Lexis Nexis even mentioned the AB 60 by name.

Wow no wonder you didn't post what L/N mentioned about AB60. They write:

"Additionally, in January 2015, California Assembly Bill 60 (AB60) went into effect. AB 60 requires the California DMV to issue driver’s licenses to applicants who are unable to submit proof of their legal presence, but meet other qualications and can prove residency in California. It is estimated California will issue licenses to 1.4 million undocumented residents over the next three years."

That's it! What the heck? No scandal there. No mention of voter fraud. The purpose of AB60 is to issue licenses to undocumented California residents.

 

[Faun]

davecmarino, post: 16164972 I understand fully the difference. Some legal residents in this country don't have access to a birth certificate. The affidavit process is tougher and longer process. One still has to prove legal status as a citizen to get a US citizen DL. If you can't you get the non-citizen license and can't vote. Just as you have admitted even when applying on line.

I posted the California requirements for proof of citizenship in order to register to vote.

Your claim that California writes laws and loopholes in order to skirt the law is preposterous and absolutely unbelievable.

You are not very believable to begin with.

You are incorrect again.

The affidavit available under California Election Code 2112 is not for getting the drivers license but for a registration to vote.

It is deemed to be substantive proof of citizenship in lieu of requiring a birth certificate.

Also, the online application has no demand for a copy of the birth certificate just a Drivers License number and Social Security number

So again you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

It comes down to does California actually screen the AB 60 Licenses and the answer is that they don't. The law is written to forbid it, the DMV legal staff confirmed that there is no process in place to identify the AB60 licenses separately and no intent to do so, and the Secretary of State has stated that the procedures on their end would not be in place until after the election.

Say again how it isn't plainly clear what is going on in California.


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Still waiting for you to show how illegal aliens are obtaining legal social security numbers...

Ask Obama about the 541,000 Social security numbers issued to dreamers as reported by the Washington Times and disclosed in a letter that was made public by Congress.

You can also get a social security card if your country is designated under the TPS system such as El Salvador, Honduras, and Nicaragua currently are. While the TPS is in place you can get a SS card even though you are illegal.

Then there is the ones who were issued social security cards under the original DL systems where the states who were issuing DL to illegals required them to have a social security number so SSA just issued the cards and never revoked them. This system has been discontinued but it has been disclosed that almost over a million numbers were issued before it ended.

I find it funny that you want to keep asking stupid questions like you know the answer and then when I provide you with a real answer like the above you will continue to deny what is readily apparent.

That fact is that there are many paths available for these people to circumvent the law and California strives to create systems that provide many of them the means to do so.




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<smh>

HOW OBAMA'S 'DREAMERS' WILL GET SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS AND BECOME LEGAL RESIDENTS

That’s because along with the work visa, all the new DREAMers will be eligible for a permanent and fully functioning Social Security Number. With a social security number, one can get credit, a driver’s license in most states, and be eligible to work legally. While DREAMers will be identified clearly in their social security cards, many employers don’t require actually showing the card for identification purposes during the employment screening process.​

Regarding immigrants from TPS countries, it applies only to legal non-citizens who's work is authorized by homeland security, which I already pointed out to you earlier. And just like for DREAMers, their social security card contains special designation for work only and cannot be used to obtain voter's registration

TYPES OF CARDS ISSUED

On September 14, 1992, SSA began printing the legend "VALID FOR WORK ONLY WITH INS AUTHORIZATION" on cards issued to noncitizens lawfully in the U.S. with temporary authority to work. In these cases, employers must look at the noncitizen's INS document to determine if the noncitizen has current authorization to work in the U.S.​

Again, not valid for registering to vote.

With the dreamers you could get that status as an illegal through application. If you were already here legally, you weren't a dreamer because your coming legally had already put you on the path to citizenship.

On TPS, you are dead wrong as it is specifically for illegals:
Once granted TPS, an individual also cannot be detained by DHS on the basis of his or her immigration status in the United States.

TPS is a temporary benefit that does not lead to lawful permanent resident status or give any other immigration status. However, registration for TPS does not prevent you from applying for nonimmigrant status

But keep making your stupid shit up

You asked for ways that illegals could get social security cards and I gave you three way which has easily enabled over 2 million Illegals to gain the card

I am damn sure they are voting with it with most of them probably in California.

You wanted proof, well there it is and there is absolutely no way of denying it. These are 100% verifiable programs that you pretended didn't exist.

You still going to deny all the illegal ways that the illegals use to circumvent the system?

Sucks to be you. Everyone knows what California is about. You make like the stereotype is undeserved.


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I stand corrected on TPS, it is for illegals ... my link to the SS administration website which reads that non-citizens' social security cards contain a legend identifying their social security card is for work only also stands.

 

[Faun]

Still waiting for you to show how illegal aliens are obtaining legal social security numbers...

Whether it's applying for citizenship or getting social security numbers, if you can get something with minimal effort why do it legally?

Right again!

"Social Security: Migrants Offer Numbers for Fee
TLALCHAPA, Mexico - Gerardo Luviano is looking for somebody to rent his Social Security number.

Mr. Luviano, 39, obtained legal residence in the United States almost 20 years ago. But these days, back in Mexico, teaching beekeeping at the local high school in this hot, dusty town in the southwestern part of the country, Mr. Luviano is not using his Social Security number. So he is looking for an illegal immigrant in the United States to use it for him -- providing a little cash along the way.

The number of people participating in the illegal deals is impossible to determine accurately. But it is clearly significant, flourishing despite efforts to combat identity fraud.

Demand for American identities has blossomed in the cracks between the nation's increasingly unwelcoming immigration laws and businesses' unremitting demand for low-wage labor."
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/07/business/social-security-migrants-offer-numbers-for-fee.html?_r=0

You know you're fucking retarded, right?

Let's walk this through, shall we?

An illegal alien goes to the DMV to obtain an AB60 license. Said illegal has to present some form of documentation to prove residency as specified here --> dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/online/ab60_checklist Assuming all checks out well, said alien is given an AB60 driver's license.

Our example illegal alien then "rents" Mr. Luviano's social security number... assuming it's not already red flagged by the social security administration AND assuming Mr. Luviano is still alive ....

Our illegal alien then proceeds to register to vote with their new driver's license and social security number... at which point, those numbers are validated...

Said illegal alien is denied a voter's registration because the name on their license, which had to match the name on the documentation they provided to get their license, does not match the name attached to Gerardo Luviano's social security number. Neither do their birth dates match.

I get the feeling that it takes you two hours to watch '60 Minutes.'

You know the truth: Democrats and their supporters are, first and foremost, corrupt and dishonest.
It is, largely, the reason that your candidate was a career criminal and congenital liar.
...as you prove with every post.

Like I said, you're fucking retarded. There really was no need for you to affirm it again.

 

[Faun]

Still waiting for you to show how illegal aliens are obtaining legal social security numbers...

Whether it's applying for citizenship or getting social security numbers, if you can get something with minimal effort why do it legally?

Right again!

"Social Security: Migrants Offer Numbers for Fee
TLALCHAPA, Mexico - Gerardo Luviano is looking for somebody to rent his Social Security number.

Mr. Luviano, 39, obtained legal residence in the United States almost 20 years ago. But these days, back in Mexico, teaching beekeeping at the local high school in this hot, dusty town in the southwestern part of the country, Mr. Luviano is not using his Social Security number. So he is looking for an illegal immigrant in the United States to use it for him -- providing a little cash along the way.

The number of people participating in the illegal deals is impossible to determine accurately. But it is clearly significant, flourishing despite efforts to combat identity fraud.

Demand for American identities has blossomed in the cracks between the nation's increasingly unwelcoming immigration laws and businesses' unremitting demand for low-wage labor."
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/07/business/social-security-migrants-offer-numbers-for-fee.html?_r=0

You know you're fucking retarded, right?

Let's walk this through, shall we?

An illegal alien goes to the DMV to obtain an AB60 license. Said illegal has to present some form of documentation to prove residency as specified here --> dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/online/ab60_checklist Assuming all checks out well, said alien is given an AB60 driver's license.

Our example illegal alien then "rents" Mr. Luviano's social security number... assuming it's not already red flagged by the social security administration AND assuming Mr. Luviano is still alive ....

Our illegal alien then proceeds to register to vote with their new driver's license and social security number... at which point, those numbers are validated...

Said illegal alien is denied a voter's registration because the name on their license, which had to match the name on the documentation they provided to get their license, does not match the name attached to Gerardo Luviano's social security number. Neither do their birth dates match.

How difficult do you think it is for an illegal to get a fake document to use under the assumed name? Is it tough to come up with a lease in an assumed name? Is it tough to find someone who will forge a Mexican identification card for you?

Why would an illegal ever do something so illegal?
Who could have ever guessed? Wink, wink.

You libs are either really gullible about the world or just want to fight for this stuff because you know almost all the votes are going to your side.

California really should just leave the country. It's time to dump you morons in the ocean.


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To qualify to vote, an illegal alien would have to obtain a valid SS number. One that matches the name on their license, their documents, and matches their birth certificate. Good luck proving 3 million have accomplished that.

 

[Faun]

davecmarino, post: 16165161

You are incorrect again.

The affidavit available under California Election Code 2112 is not for getting the drivers license but for a registration to vote.

How can I be incorrect when that is not what I said.

Affidavit 2112 requires a standard issue DL or ID - both require an official birth certificate to obtain.

So in proper sequence - prior to filling out Affidavit 2112 you must have shown your proof of citizenship and legal right to vote.

There is no loophole.

Computers are pretty slick - if you give a fake SSN or actual AB60 DL number - you do not get registered to vote. It is impossible.

You said California just 'assumes' all info on Affidavit 2112.

You If you actually believe that you are dumber than PoliticalChic.

You need a valid US Citizens ONLY Drivers license or State issued ID which requires proof of citizenship before applying to vote on AFFIDAVIT 2112. If you don't have that you have to match your SSN through the Social Security Administration so you can't provide a fake number.

Your story is full of more holes than Bonnie and Clyde's 1932 Ford Coupe at the end.

Says you but both the DMV and The Secretary of State stated that that system of checks and balances does not exist. Again there is no database that differentiates one type of drivers license from the rest.

Now in the law, they do discuss having such procedures as dictated by the Secretary of State but in January it was Padilla who stated that the system was not yet in place and would not be ready until 2017.

So again, it may very well be coming but according to Padilla, it was not in place for this election.

Maybe you know more than Padilla about the implementation of the internally checks and balances in operating the system but I doubt it.

The laws, enforcement, and support system were all designed to open a window of opportunity for illegals to vote for Clinton and they did.


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Again, California law prohibits the DMV from registering folks with AB licenses to vote. That's the law. Now if you can prove that law is being violated, prove it. Of course, if you could prove it, you would have.

 

[Faun]

Law section.

Notwithstanding Section 12801.5, the department shall issue an original driver’s license to a person who is unable to submit satisfactory proof that the applicant’s presence in the United States is authorized under federal law if he or she meets all other qualifications for licensure and provides satisfactory proof to the department of his or her identity and California residency.

(d) (1) A license issued pursuant to this section, including a temporary license issued pursuant to Section 12506, shall include a recognizable feature on the front of the card, such as the letters “DP” instead of, and in the same font size as, the letters “DL,” with no other distinguishable feature.

(2) The license shall bear the following notice: “This card is not acceptable for official federal purposes. This license is issued only as a license to drive a motor vehicle. It does not establish eligibility for employment, voter registration, or public benefits.”

You moron.....the snake in the White House promised the illegal aliens that no one would investigate if they vote.



And they did.

Only in your diseased mind, PoliticalHack. You know, the one where Obama says [illegals] "can't legally vote" and you think he's encouraging them to vote.

 

[Faun]

Whether it's applying for citizenship or getting social security numbers, if you can get something with minimal effort why do it legally?

Right again!

"Social Security: Migrants Offer Numbers for Fee
TLALCHAPA, Mexico - Gerardo Luviano is looking for somebody to rent his Social Security number.

Mr. Luviano, 39, obtained legal residence in the United States almost 20 years ago. But these days, back in Mexico, teaching beekeeping at the local high school in this hot, dusty town in the southwestern part of the country, Mr. Luviano is not using his Social Security number. So he is looking for an illegal immigrant in the United States to use it for him -- providing a little cash along the way.

The number of people participating in the illegal deals is impossible to determine accurately. But it is clearly significant, flourishing despite efforts to combat identity fraud.

Demand for American identities has blossomed in the cracks between the nation's increasingly unwelcoming immigration laws and businesses' unremitting demand for low-wage labor."
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/07/business/social-security-migrants-offer-numbers-for-fee.html?_r=0

You know you're fucking retarded, right?

Let's walk this through, shall we?

An illegal alien goes to the DMV to obtain an AB60 license. Said illegal has to present some form of documentation to prove residency as specified here --> dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/online/ab60_checklist Assuming all checks out well, said alien is given an AB60 driver's license.

Our example illegal alien then "rents" Mr. Luviano's social security number... assuming it's not already red flagged by the social security administration AND assuming Mr. Luviano is still alive ....

Our illegal alien then proceeds to register to vote with their new driver's license and social security number... at which point, those numbers are validated...

Said illegal alien is denied a voter's registration because the name on their license, which had to match the name on the documentation they provided to get their license, does not match the name attached to Gerardo Luviano's social security number. Neither do their birth dates match.

How difficult do you think it is for an illegal to get a fake document to use under the assumed name? Is it tough to come up with a lease in an assumed name? Is it tough to find someone who will forge a Mexican identification card for you?

Why would an illegal ever do something so illegal?
Who could have ever guessed? Wink, wink.

You libs are either really gullible about the world or just want to fight for this stuff because you know almost all the votes are going to your side.

California really should just leave the country. It's time to dump you morons in the ocean.


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So you invented a fantasy and are trying to pass it off as real without a shred of evidence, eh?

Get help, kid.

Go to a Spanish flea market. So much for your fantasy. Try some reality. They commit identity theft every day. Here's a link to wake you up. Don't ask for more facts because it is all in there.

Illegal, but Not Undocumented




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LMAO

From your link ...

• Illegal immigrants are not “undocumented.” They have fraudulent documents such as counterfeit Social Security cards, forged drivers licenses, fake “green cards,” and phony birth certificates. Experts suggest that approximately 75 percent of working-age illegal aliens use fraudulent Social Security cards to obtain employment.
  
  
• Most (98 percent) Social Security number (SSN) thieves use their own names with stolen numbers. The federal E-Verify program, now mandated in only 14 states, can detect this fraud. Universal, mandatory use of E-Verify would curb this and stop virtually 100 percent of child identity theft.

Counterfeit SS cards and SS cards which don't match the name of the actual owner will not pass the validity check to register to vote.

The issue is not whether or not illegals can obtain fake documentation -- the issue is are they able to use that fake documentation to register successfully to vote.

And I repeat -- you claim 3 million illegals voted in this election -- but you can't find one.

 

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davecmarino, post: 16165161

the DMV legal staff confirmed that there is no process in place to identify the AB60 licenses separately

Where do you think the DMV staff confirmed that?

On average, DMV issued approximately 50,000 new driver licenses per month under AB 60 during the first year of implementing the new law.

Month AB 60
January 59,000
February 72,000
March 76,000
April 74,000
May 60,000
June 56,000
July 45,000
August 37,000
September 34,000
October 35,000
November 26,000
December 31,000
Total 605,000 (all numbers are rounded)

They must keep separate records or how else could they know these monthly statistics.

Request Rejected


You can now admit that this is a lie:

"the DMV legal staff confirmed that there is no process in place to identify the AB60 licenses separately"

Impossible to be true.

 

[Faun]

Whether it's applying for citizenship or getting social security numbers, if you can get something with minimal effort why do it legally?

Right again!

"Social Security: Migrants Offer Numbers for Fee
TLALCHAPA, Mexico - Gerardo Luviano is looking for somebody to rent his Social Security number.

Mr. Luviano, 39, obtained legal residence in the United States almost 20 years ago. But these days, back in Mexico, teaching beekeeping at the local high school in this hot, dusty town in the southwestern part of the country, Mr. Luviano is not using his Social Security number. So he is looking for an illegal immigrant in the United States to use it for him -- providing a little cash along the way.

The number of people participating in the illegal deals is impossible to determine accurately. But it is clearly significant, flourishing despite efforts to combat identity fraud.

Demand for American identities has blossomed in the cracks between the nation's increasingly unwelcoming immigration laws and businesses' unremitting demand for low-wage labor."
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/07/business/social-security-migrants-offer-numbers-for-fee.html?_r=0

You know you're fucking retarded, right?

Let's walk this through, shall we?

An illegal alien goes to the DMV to obtain an AB60 license. Said illegal has to present some form of documentation to prove residency as specified here --> dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/online/ab60_checklist Assuming all checks out well, said alien is given an AB60 driver's license.

Our example illegal alien then "rents" Mr. Luviano's social security number... assuming it's not already red flagged by the social security administration AND assuming Mr. Luviano is still alive ....

Our illegal alien then proceeds to register to vote with their new driver's license and social security number... at which point, those numbers are validated...

Said illegal alien is denied a voter's registration because the name on their license, which had to match the name on the documentation they provided to get their license, does not match the name attached to Gerardo Luviano's social security number. Neither do their birth dates match.

How difficult do you think it is for an illegal to get a fake document to use under the assumed name? Is it tough to come up with a lease in an assumed name? Is it tough to find someone who will forge a Mexican identification card for you?

Why would an illegal ever do something so illegal?
Who could have ever guessed? Wink, wink.

You libs are either really gullible about the world or just want to fight for this stuff because you know almost all the votes are going to your side.

California really should just leave the country. It's time to dump you morons in the ocean.


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So you invented a fantasy and are trying to pass it off as real without a shred of evidence, eh?

Get help, kid.

Watch me silence you with this simple post:

a. Do you know how many illegal aliens there are in the country?

b. Did any illegal aliens vote?



Wait for it........

c. How many?

LOLOL

It's so adorable how you think you silence me with a question I already answered.

 

[Faun]

davecmarino, post: 16165161

Also, the online application has no demand for a copy of the birth certificate just a Drivers License number and Social Security number

So again you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

But the citizens drivers license requires a birth certificate or an second process affidavit proving citizenship, An illegal immigrant wanting to vote has to get a normal issued DL to citizens only.

He gets nowhere with an AB60 DL on the 2112 Ejection Code affidavit in order to register to vote.



Or he drives but can't vote:

The AB60 applicant has to show proof of identity.

California Driver License or California Identification Card:

One of these;

•  California Driver License (issued 10/2000 in or after)
  
  
•  California Identification Card (issued 10/2000 in or after)
  
  Foreign Document that is valid, approved by the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) and electronically verified by DMV with the country of origin:

•  Mexican Federal Electoral Card (Instituto Federal Electoral (IFE) Credencial para Votar – 2013 version)
  
  
•  Mexican Institute National Electoral Card (Instituto Nacional Electoral (INE) Credencial para Votar – 2014 version)
  
  
•  Mexican Passport (issued in 2008 or later and includes digital photo and digital signature)
  
  
•  Mexican Consular Card (Matricula Consular – 2006 or 2014 versions)
  
  Foreign Passport that is valid and approved by DMV (see page 4 & 5 for list of DMV approved passports). The customer must also provide his/her social security number (SSN) that is electronically verifiable with the Social Security Administration.
  
  
  Or if not available two of these;
  
  
  Foreign Document that is valid and approved by DMV:
  •  Argentinian Identification Card (Documento Nacional de Identidad (DNI) – 2009 or 2012 version)
    
    
  •  Brazilian Consular Card (Carteira de Matricula Consular – 2010 version)
    
    
  •  Chilean Identification Card (Cedula de Identidad – 2013 version)
    
    
  •  Colombian Consular Card (Consular Registration – 2015 version)
    
    
  •  Ecuadorian National Identification Card (Cedula de Ciudadania – 2006 and 2009 version)
    
    
  •  Ecuadorian Consular Card (Tarjeta De Identificacion Consular – 2015 version)
    
    
  •  El Salvadorian Identification Card (Documento Unico de Identidad (DUI) – 2010 version)
    
    
  •  Guatemalan National Identification Card (Documento Personal de Identificacion (DPI) – 2012 version)
    
    
  •  Guatemalan Consular Card (Tarjeta de Identificacion Consular – 2002 and 2015 version)
    
    
  •  Korean Identification Card (September 2016 version)
    
    
  •  Nicaraguan National Identification Card (Cedula de Identidad – 2010 version)
    
    
  •  Peruvian Identification Card (Documento Nacional de Identidad (DNI) – 2005 version)
    
    
  •  Foreign Passports (see pages 4 & 5 for list of DMV approved passports) – This is an option for customers who do not have a verifiable SSN as provided in Table A.
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  Your claim that California wants illegals to violate their own laws and vote is right wing fake news and gullible deplorables falling for it.

Sure. That's why illegals are registering other people to vote in California. The illegal is the gatekeeper for another person to register.

California and the liberals in it as as full of shit as it comes.


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LOLOL

As you've been shown every way possible, it remains illegal for illegal aliens to vote in California and there is no clear path to voter registration.

"...it remains illegal ...."


Which reveals yet another of your lacunae: history.

But I'm here to help:
"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything."
The predecessor of the current Democrats, Joseph Stalin

And the very same concept applies to those checking for legal documents to vote.


Know what that means?
Here's a hint:
"12 States (and DC) That Allow Driver's Licenses for People in the Country Illegally" 12 States (and DC) That Allow Driver's Licenses for People in the Country Illegally - Illegal Immigration - ProCon.org


"If you’ve visited the DMV in the last few weeks, you may have noticed that you can now complete your voter registration at the same time you renew your driver’s license — without having to fill out a separate form.... they will be registered as having no party preference. " Registered to vote at the DMV? Check again. Many who use the new process miss a vital step two



Ready?


How many of the 12 states plus DC that allow illegals to get drivers licenses, and have voter registration in the same place (what a coincidence!) did Bill's wife win???


C'mon....guess.

Proof of your insanity -- you make claims from your delusions and expect posters to believe them.

The laws do not permit illegals to register. The relevant laws have already been posted here. Your delusions claim despite the laws in place to prevent illegals from voting, election officials, Secretary of State, DMVs, all colluded together to enable illegals to register to vote...

... don't just say it -- prove it. (here's where PoliticalHack cowers away again with her tail tucked firmly betwixt her hind legs.

 

[davecmarino]

davecmarino, post: 16164711

More California law that helps the illegals skirt the rules. You don't have to prove your citizenship when you register to vote. It is assumed just by you filling out an affidavit.

Very simply you are not telling us the truth;

Driver License or Identification Card Number or, if None, Partial Social Security Number

A person must provide a driver license or state identification card number where it is requested on the affidavit. If a person does not have a driver license or state identification card number, the person must provide the last four digits of their social security number.

If county elections officials verify that the person does not have any of the above numbers, a unique identification number will be assigned to the person.

County elections officials must verify all identification numbers provided for a person, as well as the absence of a driver license or state identification number for those who do not provide one. Additionally, if the last four digits of a social security number are provided, the county elections officials must confirm those with the Social Security Administration.

Conflicting information can delay processing of the application, such as when the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) indicates a different driver license number for the person in question, or DMV indicates a driver license for a person when the person has not provided one.

Guide to Voter Registration Drives | California Secretary of State


You know you have to provide a birth certificate to get a DL or ID in California.

So showing a birth certificate is a done deal when one shows a DL # on the 2112 Affidavit to register to vote.

An AB60 DL will not get through and if they check they are a US CITIZEN and write down an AB60 DL #, they have committed perjury and that is very easily detectable.

They will never vote.

Nobody is checking that it is an AB60 license. The CA-DMV has already admitted that there is no separate list of drivers license numbers that identify them as AB60 licenses.

You refuse to get that through your head.

You also refuse to acknowledge that the Secretary of State has already stated that the procedures for checking registered voters against the license records would not be available until after the election.

So an AB60 license and an affidavit got you registered in California prior to the election.




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Stop lying. The DMV does not transmit data for AB60 license holders to the Secretary of State's office for voter registration.

Again.... for the hard of learning...

Election Code, Division II, Chapter 4.5 § 2263

(d) The department shall not electronically provide records of a person who applies for or is issued a driver’s license pursuant to Section 12801.9 of the Vehicle Code because he or she is unable to submit satisfactory proof that his or her presence in the United States is authorized under federal law.​

Section 12801.9 of the California Vehicle code is an AB60 license.

Now stop lying.

Cool you found more legal verbiage that makes sure that the law passes the sniff test but it doesn't mean shit because it isn't being followed.

I know you want proof. Well here it is:

http://elections.cdn.sos.ca.gov/nvra/laws-standards/pdf/complete.pdf

Voter Registration Cards where the voter indicates he or she is not a U.S. Citizen:The VRC asks the applicant if he or she is a United States citizen. The voter may check either “Yes”, “No”, or not check either box.If the voter indicates, by checking the “yes” box, that he or she is a U.S. citizen, the registration should be processed normally.If the voter indicates, by checking the “No” box, that he or she is not a U.S. citizen, the registration may not be entered on the voter rolls. The elections official should send the voter a returnable card or letter requesting clarification as to whether or not the voter is a U.S. citizen. If the voter returns the card indicating that he or she is a U.S. citizen, the VRC should be entered on the voter rolls. If the card is returned and the voter indicates he or she is not a citizen, or if no response is received from the voter, then the voter shall not be registered.If the voter does not check either the “Yes” or “No” box, and the registration is otherwise complete, the registration should be processed normally and entered on the voter rolls.

The instructions on the form for registration also tells the applicants to just put the first 4 digits of their social if they don't have a drivers license number.

California is not going after anyone for voter fraud. A man tried to report a case of voter fraud in LA and was told They took the ballots to the Los Angeles Police Department, but were directed to the post office.

'Voter fraud'? California man finds dozens of ballots stacked outside home

The only ones going after voter fraud and illegals in California is ICE and they are the one organization that California doesn't want to share the database with.


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[Faun]

davecmarino, post: 16165161

the DMV legal staff confirmed that there is no process in place to identify the AB60 licenses separately

Where do you think the DMV staff confirmed that?

He gets that from a claim made by truethevote.org but it's meaningless as it's based on purported conversations with the DMV legal affairs division and ttv, as far as I can tell, made those conversations public; so who knows what was actually said.

 

[davecmarino]

davecmarino, post: 16166261

Lexis Nexis even mentioned the AB 60 by name.

Wow no wonder you didn't post what L/N mentioned about AB60. They write:

"Additionally, in January 2015, California Assembly Bill 60 (AB60) went into effect. AB 60 requires the California DMV to issue driver’s licenses to applicants who are unable to submit proof of their legal presence, but meet other qualications and can prove residency in California. It is estimated California will issue licenses to 1.4 million undocumented residents over the next three years."

That's it! What the heck? No scandal there. No mention of voter fraud. The purpose of AB60 is to issue licenses to undocumented California residents.

Read what else they said:
As states continue to address issues of immigration and seasonal workers, DMVs across the nation will be faced with new challenges – and new means for fraudsters to try to obtain false identi cation documents.

You conveniently left that part out.


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