School Boards need to be held criminally liable for school shootings (Poll)

[kyzr]

Gun manufacturers nor the NRA left a school door unlocked. Gun manufacturers nor the NRA didn't make the decision not to have school security.

Agreed. But Remington lost big in the Sandy Hook lawsuit.
They declared bankruptcy & moved to another state.

 

[kyzr]

School boards criminally liable for a killing spree by maniac and failure of Police to respond properly? You gotta be kidding.

If the school board didn't secure the school adequately they would be criminally liable, "criminal negligence", google it.
That presupposes that the States and or Feds would pass laws making school boards responsible, give them some money, and a deadline for completion of the security upgrades. If they can't take the heat get the fuck out, resign.
We already have a lot of angry parents yelling at school board meetings demanding answers for school security.

 

[XponentialChaos]

We've offered solutions. You don't like them because they're not disarming everybody.

I’m fine with implementing just about anything at this point.

Best case scenario: It works.

Worst case scenario: It doesn’t work. We get to tell you guys that your idea didn’t work. Then we move on to the next idea.

Of course none of that is going to happen. We’re going to do exactly nothing.

 

[daveman]

I’m fine with implementing just about anything at this point.

Best case scenario: It works.

Worst case scenario: It doesn’t work. We get to tell you guys that your idea didn’t work. Then we move on to the next idea.

Of course none of that is going to happen. We’re going to do exactly nothing.

Because Democrats aren't interested in solutions. Democrats want to disarm people who have committed no crimes with their legally-owned firearms.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

You see, people are afraid that this will create a prison environment for the children, therefore justifying why we can't spend money to secure our schools.

This is hard, and I wish it weren't.

It really isn't that hard, people are just stupid.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

criminal negligence

noun​

1. Failure to use reasonable care, and thus put someone at risk of injury or death.
2. (law) recklessly acting without reasonable caution and putting another person at risk of injury or death (or failing to do something with the same consequences)

3. I call bullshit, Peterson didn't do his job. duh.
4. Then why are school shootings still happening, duh?

Police have no affirmative duty to protect anyone so no, you couldn't sustain a charge in this case against them for failing to act.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Because Democrats aren't interested in solutions. Democrats want to disarm people who have committed no crimes with their legally-owned firearms.

Don’t worry, your precious guns are going to be ok.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

You are nuts if you think a school can be made into a fortress able to keep crazies out while letting little kids in. This guy wouldn't have been stopped......well other than had his illegal family been kicked across the border, that his illegal family hadn't received any government checks, if they would have locked up his crazy tranny ass sooner, OR...............allowed his juvenile criminal record to be accessed and grounds of denial for a gun. He had just turned 18----he had no adult background to check. They could have also tied being allowed to sell gun to anyone in lived in a household where a register criminal resided.

Hardening schools is easy and relatively inexpensive.

He was only able to gain entry because an exterior door was left open, and then gained access to the class room because the classroom door was open.

What makes you think he was illegal? He was living with his grand parents who was apparently a long term resident in the community. It is therefore highly unlikely his parents or at least his mother was an illegal.

Unless the reports of the LEO's are errant he bought the two guns himself, lawfully although apparently he tried to get his older sister to purchase one for him before he turned 18 and she refused.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

New Laws can supersede that "qualified immunity" where school safety is concerned. The problem now is that the school boards accept the risk of a school shooting rather than pay for adequate safety measures.
"Elect me and I won't raise your school taxes"

Qualified immunity is a creation of the courts, particularly the Supreme Court so no such laws are likely to stand up to scrutiny.

 

[kyzr]

Police have no affirmative duty to protect anyone so no, you couldn't sustain a charge in this case against them for failing to act.

Police may not have to, but if you are assigned a specific responsibility, you are criminally liable to act.
Laws can be written assigning responsibility. Now that you mentioned "police" how about that Peterson guy who was supposed to protect the Parkland kids, but hid instead, and GOT ARRESTED...

Former Parkland security officer Scot Peterson charged with neglect for not entering school

Florida Department of Law Enforcement Commissioner Rick Swearingen said in a news release that Peterson's inaction cost people their lives.

www.nbcnews.com

The definition of "criminal negligence" looks easy to apply to school boards, and Mr. Peterson:
"(law) recklessly acting without reasonable caution and putting another person at risk of injury or death (or failing to do something with the same consequences)"

 

[Big Bend Texas]

The school board controls none of these things, yet you want to make them the scapegoat.



Could work in well off communities.



Most schools districts are already in debt.

Are you willing to pay more in taxes to see this happen and be maintained?

School boards set the district budget.

 

[kyzr]

Qualified immunity is a creation of the courts, particularly the Supreme Court so no such laws are likely to stand up to scrutiny.

You can argue that as your ass is being hauled off to prison:

Former Parkland security officer Scot Peterson charged with neglect for not entering school

Florida Department of Law Enforcement Commissioner Rick Swearingen said in a news release that Peterson's inaction cost people their lives.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Police may not have to, but if you are assigned a specific responsibility, you are criminally liable to act.
Laws can be written assigning responsibility. Now that you mentioned "police" how about that Peterson guy who was supposed to protect the Parkland kids, but hid instead, and GOT ARRESTED...

Former Parkland security officer Scot Peterson charged with neglect for not entering school

Florida Department of Law Enforcement Commissioner Rick Swearingen said in a news release that Peterson's inaction cost people their lives.

www.nbcnews.com

The definition of "criminal negligence" looks easy to apply to school boards, and Mr. Peterson:
"(law) recklessly acting without reasonable caution and putting another person at risk of injury or death (or failing to do something with the same consequences)"

Unless they can prove he acted unlawfully to deprive the students of their constitutional rights it will go no where.

There are limited circumstances where you can lose your qualified immunity but as a rule only if you violate written department policy or law depriving the individual of their protected rights.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

We’re just going to keep watching the same thing happen, we won’t do anything about it, then we’ll see it happen again because people insist on doing absolutely nothing. It is what it is.

Why do you feel such a need to lie?

Just because people disagree with your idea of a solution doesn't mean they don't want to do anything.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Agreed. But Remington lost big in the Sandy Hook lawsuit.
They declared bankruptcy & moved to another state.

They lost because the suit addressed their advertising practices. The case should have been tossed on the merits.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

You can argue that as your ass is being hauled off to prison:

Former Parkland security officer Scot Peterson charged with neglect for not entering school

Florida Department of Law Enforcement Commissioner Rick Swearingen said in a news release that Peterson's inaction cost people their lives.

www.nbcnews.com

Even if he's convicted it will likely be thrown out in a summary judgement on appeal.

Police have no affirmative duty to protect anyone.

The Police are Not Required to Protect You — Barnes Law

To Protect and to Serve” – the ubiquitous creed emblazoned across millions of police cars throughout Los Angeles and indeed the United States. This motto is consistent with the common belief that police officers as well as other law enforcement officers are here to protect us.

www.barneslawllp.com

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Police may not have to, but if you are assigned a specific responsibility, you are criminally liable to act.

There is no basis in law for this claim.

 

[daveman]

Don’t worry, your precious guns are going to be ok.

Take a guess at how many guns I own.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Why do you feel such a need to lie?

Just because people disagree with your idea of a solution doesn't mean they don't want to do anything.

Let me know when we actually do something.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Take a guess at how many guns I own.

20? I don’t know.