Schumer's pipe dream, a trial with.....you know.....evidence.

[hadit]

Trump has no obligation to prove that he dindu nuffin....That's not me, that's centuries of western jurisprudence.

I'm sure that a guy like Putin might like someone like you working in his legal system.

He's a government employee and the people have a right to know what public servants are doing with our money

Entirely irrelevant to the point...He has no obligation to prove negatives.

You know what it's like having an unaccountable president? Ask Putin.

We saw it for eight years with your boi Barry Oboingo...Suck it.

No one is asking him to prove anything. He just has to let the truth be known.

You know the first thing that would happen should he allow it is the usual suspects screaming that they are lying. What is to be gained by doing it when you're not going to believe a word of it anyway?

That's why I abhor public testimony. It's just a show. Best to keep it private and publish the transcripts later like they did for literally every other witness.

Put the witnesses under oath and under penalty of perjury. I don't get too worked up about calling someone a liar or not until we have testimony that actually means something.

IMO it wouldn't matter in the least. Anything exculpatory would be immediately deemed a lie. You know that. I mean, thus far we have only one first hand account, and that one has Trump explicitly stating no QPQ. Do you think in a million years 5 more first hand accounts saying the same thing would make a bit of difference to the howling mob?

 

[colfax_m]

President's asking for investigations into their political opponents is a-okay with you?

Why do you believe than someone running against an incumbent White House is immune to federal investigation of actions he took while he was a elected federal official?

Where did I say that?
I just don't think the President should make these decisions with such a massive conflict of interest.

 

[M14 Shooter]

They had to wait for Trump to do something stupid enough to be impeachable. It was only a matter of time really.

What happened to the obstruction and collusion proven by Mueller Report?

“This is a president who has violated the law 6 ways from Sunday,” said the committee’s chairman, Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y. He argued that Mueller’s report lays out “very substantial evidence” that Trump is guilty of “high crimes and misdemeanors,” the constitutional standard for impeachment.
Mueller Hearing to Air Evidence of Trump Wrongdoing

 

[colfax_m]

He's a government employee and the people have a right to know what public servants are doing with our money

Entirely irrelevant to the point...He has no obligation to prove negatives.

You know what it's like having an unaccountable president? Ask Putin.

We saw it for eight years with your boi Barry Oboingo...Suck it.

No one is asking him to prove anything. He just has to let the truth be known.

You know the first thing that would happen should he allow it is the usual suspects screaming that they are lying. What is to be gained by doing it when you're not going to believe a word of it anyway?

That's why I abhor public testimony. It's just a show. Best to keep it private and publish the transcripts later like they did for literally every other witness.

Put the witnesses under oath and under penalty of perjury. I don't get too worked up about calling someone a liar or not until we have testimony that actually means something.

IMO it wouldn't matter in the least. Anything exculpatory would be immediately deemed a lie. You know that. I mean, thus far we have only one first hand account, and that one has Trump explicitly stating no QPQ. Do you think in a million years 5 more first hand accounts saying the same thing would make a bit of difference to the howling mob?

There's only one way to find out...

 

[hadit]

giddy-up

Trump didn't 'hide' anything from the House.

Or do you mean the 'testimony' behind closed doors the House Dems hid from the public??

Trump has refused all requests at documents and witnesses. I can’t believe you aren’t aware of that.

The only first person account had Trump explicitly state he did not want a QPQ. There isn't good reason to grant this farce legitimacy by allowing his people to be vilified by Congressional democrats.

Does obstructing subpoenas make the process more or less legitimate?

'obstructing subpoenas' ???

Is that like dueling banjos?

lmao

Just when I begin to believe Dems might actually know how to read the Constitution

No, it's like preventing Congress from overseeing the executive as the Founders intended.

And Schiff could have gone to court to force testimony. He didn't, however, because he is in a hurry, desperate to get something before the election. Funny thing is, he probably would have gotten nothing for his efforts.

 

[colfax_m]

They had to wait for Trump to do something stupid enough to be impeachable. It was only a matter of time really.

What happened to the obstruction and collusion proven by Mueller Report?

“This is a president who has violated the law 6 ways from Sunday,” said the committee’s chairman, Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y. He argued that Mueller’s report lays out “very substantial evidence” that Trump is guilty of “high crimes and misdemeanors,” the constitutional standard for impeachment.
Mueller Hearing to Air Evidence of Trump Wrongdoing

Didn't have enough support in the House. It's a shame.

 

[colfax_m]

Trump has refused all requests at documents and witnesses. I can’t believe you aren’t aware of that.

The only first person account had Trump explicitly state he did not want a QPQ. There isn't good reason to grant this farce legitimacy by allowing his people to be vilified by Congressional democrats.

Does obstructing subpoenas make the process more or less legitimate?

'obstructing subpoenas' ???

Is that like dueling banjos?

lmao

Just when I begin to believe Dems might actually know how to read the Constitution

No, it's like preventing Congress from overseeing the executive as the Founders intended.

And Schiff could have gone to court to force testimony. He didn't, however, because he is in a hurry, desperate to get something before the election. Funny thing is, he probably would have gotten nothing for his efforts.

Why should he have to go to court to force the executive to follow the constitution?

 

[hadit]

Entirely irrelevant to the point...He has no obligation to prove negatives.

We saw it for eight years with your boi Barry Oboingo...Suck it.

No one is asking him to prove anything. He just has to let the truth be known.

You know the first thing that would happen should he allow it is the usual suspects screaming that they are lying. What is to be gained by doing it when you're not going to believe a word of it anyway?

That's why I abhor public testimony. It's just a show. Best to keep it private and publish the transcripts later like they did for literally every other witness.

Put the witnesses under oath and under penalty of perjury. I don't get too worked up about calling someone a liar or not until we have testimony that actually means something.

IMO it wouldn't matter in the least. Anything exculpatory would be immediately deemed a lie. You know that. I mean, thus far we have only one first hand account, and that one has Trump explicitly stating no QPQ. Do you think in a million years 5 more first hand accounts saying the same thing would make a bit of difference to the howling mob?

There's only one way to find out...

Don't even need to find out. Just dismiss the whole case before bothering with a trial. They can do that.

 

[jasonnfree]

I agree. Which is why I'm so dismayed at the Republican's behavior.

The Republicans haven't DONE anything yet!!

You should be ashamed of your Democrats who didn't 'hold' a lawful impeachment query.

They’ve drug their heels rather than participate and find the truth. The impeachment inquiry has been perfectly lawful.

Yes, the House Dems have dug their heels in.

Since November 2016 - when Pelosi and Maxine began screeching "Impeach, Impeach!"

Dumb Dems can't even impeach properly.

They had to wait for Trump to do something stupid enough to be impeachable. It was only a matter of time really.

And 'they' still haven't found squat on Trump.
Even after three years of trying.


lmao

Several of trump's 'associates' in prison and one awaiting sentencing. That should tell you something.

 

[M14 Shooter]

President's asking for investigations into their political opponents is a-okay with you?

Why do you believe than someone running against an incumbent White House is immune to federal investigation of actions he took while he was a elected federal official?

Where did I say that?

Oh, so you agree - the federal government CAN investigate Joe Biden for actions he took while an elected federal official, even though he is running for office.
And yet, you think Trump should be impeached for instigating that very thing.

 

[hadit]

The only first person account had Trump explicitly state he did not want a QPQ. There isn't good reason to grant this farce legitimacy by allowing his people to be vilified by Congressional democrats.

Does obstructing subpoenas make the process more or less legitimate?

'obstructing subpoenas' ???

Is that like dueling banjos?

lmao

Just when I begin to believe Dems might actually know how to read the Constitution

No, it's like preventing Congress from overseeing the executive as the Founders intended.

And Schiff could have gone to court to force testimony. He didn't, however, because he is in a hurry, desperate to get something before the election. Funny thing is, he probably would have gotten nothing for his efforts.

Why should he have to go to court to force the executive to follow the constitution?

Because the courts can rule if he has standing to force testimony or if the president has standing to deny it. These kinds of battles between the branches of government happen all the time.

 

[M14 Shooter]

They had to wait for Trump to do something stupid enough to be impeachable. It was only a matter of time really.

What happened to the obstruction and collusion proven by Mueller Report?

“This is a president who has violated the law 6 ways from Sunday,” said the committee’s chairman, Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y. He argued that Mueller’s report lays out “very substantial evidence” that Trump is guilty of “high crimes and misdemeanors,” the constitutional standard for impeachment.
Mueller Hearing to Air Evidence of Trump Wrongdoing

Didn't have enough support in the House. It's a shame.

Why not?

 

[Nostra]

giddy-up

Trump didn't 'hide' anything from the House.

Or do you mean the 'testimony' behind closed doors the House Dems hid from the public??

Trump has refused all requests at documents and witnesses. I can’t believe you aren’t aware of that.

The only first person account had Trump explicitly state he did not want a QPQ. There isn't good reason to grant this farce legitimacy by allowing his people to be vilified by Congressional democrats.

Does obstructing subpoenas make the process more or less legitimate?

'obstructing subpoenas' ???

Is that like dueling banjos?

lmao

Just when I begin to believe Dems might actually know how to read the Constitution

No, it's like preventing Congress from overseeing the executive as the Founders intended.

Hey Fuckwit, the Founding Fathers gave us 3 co-equal branches of govt. The judiciary is where the other 2 goes to settle disputes.

Congress isn't allowed to run over the other branches simply because they have oversight. Congress wasn't prevented from doing anything. Their subpoenas were legally challenged in court, and Schifferbrains refused to wait for rulings.

His time table due to an election doesn't constitute obstruction on Trump's part, Halfwit.

 

[colfax_m]

President's asking for investigations into their political opponents is a-okay with you?

Why do you believe than someone running against an incumbent White House is immune to federal investigation of actions he took while he was a elected federal official?

Where did I say that?

Oh, so you agree - the federal government CAN investigate Joe Biden for actions he took while an elected federal official, even though he is running for office.
And yet, you think Trump should be impeached for instigating that very thing.

Of course the government can investigate Joe Biden. They aren't, because the allegations are bullshit.

Let me ask you a very basic question. Does Trump have a conflict of interest when it comes to investigations into the Bidens? Does he harbor anti-Biden bias?

 

[hadit]

They had to wait for Trump to do something stupid enough to be impeachable. It was only a matter of time really.

What happened to the obstruction and collusion proven by Mueller Report?

“This is a president who has violated the law 6 ways from Sunday,” said the committee’s chairman, Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y. He argued that Mueller’s report lays out “very substantial evidence” that Trump is guilty of “high crimes and misdemeanors,” the constitutional standard for impeachment.
Mueller Hearing to Air Evidence of Trump Wrongdoing

Didn't have enough support in the House. It's a shame.

And that's one of the facets of a political, instead of criminal, process. You have to have support to move forward.

 

[Nostra]

The only first person account had Trump explicitly state he did not want a QPQ. There isn't good reason to grant this farce legitimacy by allowing his people to be vilified by Congressional democrats.

Does obstructing subpoenas make the process more or less legitimate?

'obstructing subpoenas' ???

Is that like dueling banjos?

lmao

Just when I begin to believe Dems might actually know how to read the Constitution

No, it's like preventing Congress from overseeing the executive as the Founders intended.

And Schiff could have gone to court to force testimony. He didn't, however, because he is in a hurry, desperate to get something before the election. Funny thing is, he probably would have gotten nothing for his efforts.

Why should he have to go to court to force the executive to follow the constitution?

You really are dumb.

 

[colfax_m]

They had to wait for Trump to do something stupid enough to be impeachable. It was only a matter of time really.

What happened to the obstruction and collusion proven by Mueller Report?

“This is a president who has violated the law 6 ways from Sunday,” said the committee’s chairman, Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y. He argued that Mueller’s report lays out “very substantial evidence” that Trump is guilty of “high crimes and misdemeanors,” the constitutional standard for impeachment.
Mueller Hearing to Air Evidence of Trump Wrongdoing

Didn't have enough support in the House. It's a shame.

Why not?

The popular wisdom is that people didn't understand the allegations or didn't see attempted obstruction as enough of a crime. It's a fair point.

 

[colfax_m]

They had to wait for Trump to do something stupid enough to be impeachable. It was only a matter of time really.

What happened to the obstruction and collusion proven by Mueller Report?

“This is a president who has violated the law 6 ways from Sunday,” said the committee’s chairman, Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y. He argued that Mueller’s report lays out “very substantial evidence” that Trump is guilty of “high crimes and misdemeanors,” the constitutional standard for impeachment.
Mueller Hearing to Air Evidence of Trump Wrongdoing

Didn't have enough support in the House. It's a shame.

And that's one of the facets of a political, instead of criminal, process. You have to have support to move forward.

You do. It's tough in this day and age to penetrate people's bubbles.

 

[Nostra]

They had to wait for Trump to do something stupid enough to be impeachable. It was only a matter of time really.

What happened to the obstruction and collusion proven by Mueller Report?

“This is a president who has violated the law 6 ways from Sunday,” said the committee’s chairman, Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y. He argued that Mueller’s report lays out “very substantial evidence” that Trump is guilty of “high crimes and misdemeanors,” the constitutional standard for impeachment.
Mueller Hearing to Air Evidence of Trump Wrongdoing

Didn't have enough support in the House. It's a shame.

Why not?

The popular wisdom is that people didn't understand the allegations or didn't see attempted obstruction as enough of a crime. It's a fair point.

You really are dumb.

 

[hadit]

President's asking for investigations into their political opponents is a-okay with you?

Why do you believe than someone running against an incumbent White House is immune to federal investigation of actions he took while he was a elected federal official?

Where did I say that?

Oh, so you agree - the federal government CAN investigate Joe Biden for actions he took while an elected federal official, even though he is running for office.
And yet, you think Trump should be impeached for instigating that very thing.

Of course the government can investigate Joe Biden. They aren't, because the allegations are bullshit.

Let me ask you a very basic question. Does Trump have a conflict of interest when it comes to investigations into the Bidens? Does he harbor anti-Biden bias?

You could ask that same question of any of the democrats voting on impeachment who announced their desire to impeach the president before he did anything even questionable. This is what happens when impeachment becomes partisan, and the democrats didn't have the sense to realize what they were doing.