Seasonal flu and Novel H1N1 Vaccination Recommendations

[THE LIGHT]

There's no proof flu shots cause autism.

Listen to the whole thing but at 1:40 - 2:20 he talks about the CDC admitting that there is irrefutable evidence of a link between the two.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQG5Q4GWw2o"]YouTube - Present Robert F Kennedy Jr Shocking Vaccine Cover Up Part1[/ame]

Also here is another doctor admiting that the two are linked...

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1z7KSEnyxw&feature=related"]YouTube - Doctor Admits Vaccine Is More Deadly Than Swine Flu Itself & Will Not Give It To His Kids[/ame]


The California Department of Developmental Services in 1999 put out a report in which they stated that there was a 273% increase in autism since 1960. Flu vaccines have been around since the 1940's so go figure.

http://www.dds.ca.gov/Autism/docs/autism_report_1999.pdf

 

[THE LIGHT]

Some more important info on flu shots. Before you get one you may want to consider...

1. An "informal" [e.g., illegal] clinical trial of the Avian Flu vaccine on about 200 Polish vagrants resulted in 11 immediate deaths and an additional set of 20 later deaths (approximately 15% of the test population). The doctors and nurses involved were charged with murder. (Fact. 2008)

2. The Philippine High Court convicted WHO (The World Health Organization) of involuntarily sterilizing over 3 million Philippina women through the use of vaccines. (Fact)

3. The WHO in 1985 documented that one of its' primary goals for the use of a sterility vaccine disguised as a smallpox vaccine was to "eliminate 150 million excess Sub Saharan Africans". (Fact, 1985-ongoing)

4. The WHO 5-shot vaccine programs for tetanus in third world countries in South and Central America caused the involuntary sterilization of millions of women. (Fact, ongoing)

5. Monsanto's MON 810 corn causes sterility according to studies published by the Austrian Government. (Fact, 2009)

6. Monsanto's MON 810 corn contains the Cauliflower Mosaic Virus which, when ingested, lowers the bodies CD 4 cells to a point which, on immune tests, indicate that a person has HIV/AIDS. The lowered CD 4 cells results from eating GMO corn, the staple of the diet in many parts of Black Africa. MON 810 is grown in Europe for animal feed and in many places, including the US, around the world for human food. (Fact, ongoing)

7. Merck's Gardasil vaccine causes death, collapse and chronic illness in young woman and girls, including a new, never-before described "disease" called Juvenile ALS, a fatal condition in which the nervous system is slowly destroyed while consciousness remains unimpaired. This vaccine increases cervical cancer by 44.7% in women and girls who already have Human Papilloma Virus. Cervical Cancer is easily detected and cured in early stages and is not a major killer of women. Gardasil contains substances which may cause sterility in women receiving it and any protection lasts only a few years, so 9 year olds will probably not be sexually active by the time this protection has worn off. (Fact, ongoing)

8. Baxter International Inc. was in the process of applying for a contract to provide Avian Flu vaccines to European countries in the event of an Avian Flu epidemic. Its Austrian laboratory shipped Seasonal Flu vaccines to 18 countries in Europe. A laboratory technician tested the Baxter Seasonal Flu vaccines sent to the Czech Republic and discovered that they were contaminated with a highly pathogenic version of the Avian Flu, 72 Kilograms of it, although Level 3 precautions were in place and such contamination "could not have happened accidentally" according to experts in the field. No documentation of the destruction of this highly infective material has been provided although the Austrian Health Ministry insists that the deadly viral material was destroyed. (Fact, 2008, 2009)

9. It normally takes a minimum of 12 to 18 months to create a vaccine after a specific virus has been identified. (Fact)

10. The "Seed Culture" for the Swine Flu virus was provided to vaccine companies in May, 2009. Baxter International Inc. announced in June, 2009 that they would have their vaccine ready in July, 2009 . (Fact, 2009)

11. The US Government has spent more than a billion dollars to develop and to make available the Swine flu vaccine for a disease which poses no significant health threat. (Fact, 2009)

12. A significant number of virologists and other scientists are on record stating that the Swine Flu was created in a laboratory and could not evolve naturally. (Fact, 2009)

source: http://www.whale.to/a/cousens1.html

all those things they claim as "fact" they dont use anything to substantiate it
given that, i wont take anything on a site called whale.to to be factual in nature

Joseph Moshe (MOSSAD Microbiologist): “Swine flu vaccine is bioweapon”

Friday, August 21, 2009

Joseph Moshe, MOSSAD

Today, the MSM are not talking about this case any more. Yesterday, they wanted us to believe that Joseph Moshe was a nutcase and a terrorist, arrested for threatening to bomb the White House. Interesting detail about his arrest (the “Westwood standoff”) was that he seemed to be immune to the 5 cans of tear gas and 5 gallons of law-enforcement grade pepper spray they pumped into his face. He very calmly remained in his car, as the video footage of his arrest shows.

Professor Moshe had called into a live radio show by Dr. A. True Ott, (explanation of Joseph Moshe’s call at 06:00) broadcast on Republic Broadcasting claiming to be a microbiologist who wanted to supply evidence to a States Attorney regarding tainted H1N1 Swine flu vaccines being produced by Baxter BioPharma Solutions. He said that Baxter’s Ukrainian lab was in fact producing a bioweapon disguised as a vaccine. He claimed that the vaccine contained an adjuvant (additive) designed to weaken the immune system, and replicated RNA from the virus responsible for the 1918 pandemic Spanish flu, causing global sickness and mass death.
Sources tell us that Bar-Joseph Moshe made no threat against the President or the White House. He did not mention any bomb or attack. He then proceeded to inform the White House he intended to go public with this information. When he noticed men in suits in front of his house and feared that the FBI was about to detain him, he packed some belongings into his car and, him being a dual Israeli citizen, tried to reach the Israeli consulate located in close proximity to the federal building where the standoff took place. The FBI and the bomb squad prevented him from reaching it. Who is this man? His profile on biomedexperts.com says he is a plant disease expert with many publications on his name involving the genetic manipulation of virii. Photographic evidence that Moshe is who he says he is can be found here.
Joseph Moshe was soon after his arrest sent or let go to Israel. Nothing has been heard from him since. The Secret Service was not the agency involved in the surveillance of Moshe at his home in California. This was done by the FBI, who had orders to detain or arrest him. Mounted on top of a large black vehicle used in his arrest was a microwave weapon that possibly damaged the electronics in Moshe’s car as well as any communication devices he had which might have been used to contact the media or others who could help him.
Moshe did not suffer the same effects of the gas and pepper spray that others would have because he had built up an immunity to such weapons as a by-product of his Mossad training. Moshe was not handcuffed because he was not placed under arrest.
Does this sound like an insane conspiracy theory? Sure it does. Due to the scarcity and anonimity of the sources we would dismiss it as exactly that, if it weren’t for some uncomfortable facts: Baxter Pharmaceutical has been caught, red-handed, in spreading a live, genetically engineered H5N1 Bird flu vaccine as a lethal biological weapon all over the world, destined to be used for human vaccinations. This happened just a few months ago. And only luck prevented a global catastrophe of epic proportions.
Baxter International Inc. had mixed live, genetically engineered avian flue viruses in vaccine material shipped to 18 countries. Only by sheer luck, a Czech laboratory decided to test the vaccine on a dozen ferrets, which all died in days. The World Health Organization was notified and catastrophe was averted. This was clearly a deliberate act on Baxter’s part, because they adhere to BS3, bio-safety level three. Baxter admitted a “mistake”. Such monumental screwups are totally impossible at that level. Many safety systems would have needed to be sabotaged, many key personell would have needed to be bribed. It simply can’t be done without direction from the inside. They did not send out the wrong vial – they produced dozens of gallons of biological-weapon agent (genetically engineered live H5N1 / Bird flu virus), then sent it out as a “vaccine”.
Baxter knew full well that their vaccine was lethal, because the year before they had tested it on a few hundred homeless Polish people – dozens died as a result.
Where’s the meat? Well – Baxter is now being sued for the deliberate, repeated contamination of vaccines with biological weapons designed – by them – to mass-murder people. Here is the complaint (PDF). By some kook nutcase? Not likely – Jane Burgermeister is an experienced, respected journalist. She is not the only one suing Baxter for planning and executing a plan for global genocide: Others are filing complaints as well. Read a well-researched complaint here (PDF).

Joseph Moshe (MOSSAD Microbiologist): “Swine flu vaccine is bioweapon”

 

[Emma]

Listen to the whole thing but at 1:40 - 2:20 he talks about the CDC admitting that there is irrefutable evidence of a link between the two.

Why don't you just link to the CDC page where they do so. Thanks.

Also here is another doctor admiting that the two are linked...

That is not an infectious disease expert, for one. And he also claims squalene is used in US vaccines. It is not.

The California Department of Developmental Services in 1999 put out a report in which they stated that there was a 273% increase in autism since 1960. Flu vaccines have been around since the 1940's so go figure.

Yeah. Go figure. If vaccines cause autism, why weren't we seeing this increase in the 40's and 50's? And the increase since '60? Could it be... oh I don't know... better diagnostics and increased awareness on the part of both parents and providers?

 

[DiveCon]

Some more important info on flu shots. Before you get one you may want to consider...




source: http://www.whale.to/a/cousens1.html

all those things they claim as "fact" they dont use anything to substantiate it
given that, i wont take anything on a site called whale.to to be factual in nature

Joseph Moshe (MOSSAD Microbiologist): “Swine flu vaccine is bioweapon”

Friday, August 21, 2009

Joseph Moshe, MOSSAD

Today, the MSM are not talking about this case any more. Yesterday, they wanted us to believe that Joseph Moshe was a nutcase and a terrorist, arrested for threatening to bomb the White House. Interesting detail about his arrest (the “Westwood standoff”) was that he seemed to be immune to the 5 cans of tear gas and 5 gallons of law-enforcement grade pepper spray they pumped into his face. He very calmly remained in his car, as the video footage of his arrest shows.

Professor Moshe had called into a live radio show by Dr. A. True Ott, (explanation of Joseph Moshe’s call at 06:00) broadcast on Republic Broadcasting claiming to be a microbiologist who wanted to supply evidence to a States Attorney regarding tainted H1N1 Swine flu vaccines being produced by Baxter BioPharma Solutions. He said that Baxter’s Ukrainian lab was in fact producing a bioweapon disguised as a vaccine. He claimed that the vaccine contained an adjuvant (additive) designed to weaken the immune system, and replicated RNA from the virus responsible for the 1918 pandemic Spanish flu, causing global sickness and mass death.
Sources tell us that Bar-Joseph Moshe made no threat against the President or the White House. He did not mention any bomb or attack. He then proceeded to inform the White House he intended to go public with this information. When he noticed men in suits in front of his house and feared that the FBI was about to detain him, he packed some belongings into his car and, him being a dual Israeli citizen, tried to reach the Israeli consulate located in close proximity to the federal building where the standoff took place. The FBI and the bomb squad prevented him from reaching it. Who is this man? His profile on biomedexperts.com says he is a plant disease expert with many publications on his name involving the genetic manipulation of virii. Photographic evidence that Moshe is who he says he is can be found here.
Joseph Moshe was soon after his arrest sent or let go to Israel. Nothing has been heard from him since. The Secret Service was not the agency involved in the surveillance of Moshe at his home in California. This was done by the FBI, who had orders to detain or arrest him. Mounted on top of a large black vehicle used in his arrest was a microwave weapon that possibly damaged the electronics in Moshe’s car as well as any communication devices he had which might have been used to contact the media or others who could help him.
Moshe did not suffer the same effects of the gas and pepper spray that others would have because he had built up an immunity to such weapons as a by-product of his Mossad training. Moshe was not handcuffed because he was not placed under arrest.
Does this sound like an insane conspiracy theory? Sure it does. Due to the scarcity and anonimity of the sources we would dismiss it as exactly that, if it weren’t for some uncomfortable facts: Baxter Pharmaceutical has been caught, red-handed, in spreading a live, genetically engineered H5N1 Bird flu vaccine as a lethal biological weapon all over the world, destined to be used for human vaccinations. This happened just a few months ago. And only luck prevented a global catastrophe of epic proportions.
Baxter International Inc. had mixed live, genetically engineered avian flue viruses in vaccine material shipped to 18 countries. Only by sheer luck, a Czech laboratory decided to test the vaccine on a dozen ferrets, which all died in days. The World Health Organization was notified and catastrophe was averted. This was clearly a deliberate act on Baxter’s part, because they adhere to BS3, bio-safety level three. Baxter admitted a “mistake”. Such monumental screwups are totally impossible at that level. Many safety systems would have needed to be sabotaged, many key personell would have needed to be bribed. It simply can’t be done without direction from the inside. They did not send out the wrong vial – they produced dozens of gallons of biological-weapon agent (genetically engineered live H5N1 / Bird flu virus), then sent it out as a “vaccine”.
Baxter knew full well that their vaccine was lethal, because the year before they had tested it on a few hundred homeless Polish people – dozens died as a result.
Where’s the meat? Well – Baxter is now being sued for the deliberate, repeated contamination of vaccines with biological weapons designed – by them – to mass-murder people. Here is the complaint (PDF). By some kook nutcase? Not likely – Jane Burgermeister is an experienced, respected journalist. She is not the only one suing Baxter for planning and executing a plan for global genocide: Others are filing complaints as well. Read a well-researched complaint here (PDF).

Joseph Moshe (MOSSAD Microbiologist): “Swine flu vaccine is bioweapon”

hey, its on the internet, it MUST be true





You can't make this up!

anyone that trusts anything from THAT site has a screw loose

 

[DiveCon]

Yeah. Go figure. If vaccines cause autism, why weren't we seeing this increase in the 40's and 50's? And the increase since '60? Could it be... oh I don't know... better diagnostics and increased awareness on the part of both parents and providers?

how DARE you use common sense and reason

 

[Emma]

There's really no substantive proof that vaccinations cause autism. However, the fact that we use so much of the mercury derivitive in the vaccinations (it's used as a preservative and has been since 17 of 22 kids vaccinated some time back died of some sort of staph infection in the vaccines). I've never heard of autism suddenly becoming evident after a kid is past the age of 3 or 4, and I've seen no evidence of it in my kids, so I'm honestly just not that worried about it.

Mercury, Autism and the Global Vaccine Agenda.#

Ah. The radiologist.

Autism Blog - Dr David Ayoub - Hidden Agenda and Stone Cold Certainty « Left Brain/Right Brain

 

[THE LIGHT]

Yeah. Go figure. If vaccines cause autism, why weren't we seeing this increase in the 40's and 50's? And the increase since '60? Could it be... oh I don't know... better diagnostics and increased awareness on the part of both parents and providers?

how DARE you use common sense and reason

Common sense such as ignoring the facts presented by doctors.

 

[Emma]

Yeah. Go figure. If vaccines cause autism, why weren't we seeing this increase in the 40's and 50's? And the increase since '60? Could it be... oh I don't know... better diagnostics and increased awareness on the part of both parents and providers?

how DARE you use common sense and reason

Silly me.

 

[Emma]

Yeah. Go figure. If vaccines cause autism, why weren't we seeing this increase in the 40's and 50's? And the increase since '60? Could it be... oh I don't know... better diagnostics and increased awareness on the part of both parents and providers?

how DARE you use common sense and reason

Common sense such as ignoring the facts presented by doctors.

They presented no 'facts'. And Ayoub is a nutcase conspiracy theorist and radiologist.

 

[THE LIGHT]

Listen to the whole thing but at 1:40 - 2:20 he talks about the CDC admitting that there is irrefutable evidence of a link between the two.

Why don't you just link to the CDC page where they do so. Thanks.

Also here is another doctor admiting that the two are linked...

That is not an infectious disease expert, for one. And he also claims squalene is used in US vaccines. It is not.

The California Department of Developmental Services in 1999 put out a report in which they stated that there was a 273% increase in autism since 1960. Flu vaccines have been around since the 1940's so go figure.

Yeah. Go figure. If vaccines cause autism, why weren't we seeing this increase in the 40's and 50's? And the increase since '60? Could it be... oh I don't know... better diagnostics and increased awareness on the part of both parents and providers?

For the simple minded, oh, to pick one at random, when you have people such as Obama's science czar, John Holdren, claiming to want "forced abortions" and wanting to taint our water supply, it doesn't take even a pea brain to figure that one out. Things start adding up.

But go ahead and get the shots. I don't care. Just don't "force" it on me.

 

[DiveCon]

Listen to the whole thing but at 1:40 - 2:20 he talks about the CDC admitting that there is irrefutable evidence of a link between the two.

Why don't you just link to the CDC page where they do so. Thanks.

That is not an infectious disease expert, for one. And he also claims squalene is used in US vaccines. It is not.

The California Department of Developmental Services in 1999 put out a report in which they stated that there was a 273% increase in autism since 1960. Flu vaccines have been around since the 1940's so go figure.

Yeah. Go figure. If vaccines cause autism, why weren't we seeing this increase in the 40's and 50's? And the increase since '60? Could it be... oh I don't know... better diagnostics and increased awareness on the part of both parents and providers?

For the simple minded, oh, to pick one at random, when you have people such as Obama's science czar, John Holdren, claiming to want "forced abortions" and wanting to taint our water supply, it doesn't take even a pea brain to figure that one out. Things start adding up.

But go ahead and get the shots. I don't care. Just don't "force" it on me.

who is forcing it on you?

 

[geauxtohell]

There's no proof flu shots cause autism.

But there is a lot of proof that they don't cause autism.

 

[THE LIGHT]

That is not an infectious disease expert, for one. And he also claims squalene is used in US vaccines. It is not.

According to you. But according to Meryl Nass, M.D (The AnthraxVaccine.org Homepage) Diplomate, American Board of Internal Medicine

"A novel feature of the two H1N1 vaccines being developed by companies Novartis and GlaxoSmithKline is the addition of squalene-containing adjuvants to boost immunogenicity and dramatically reduce the amount of viral antigen needed. This translates to much faster production of desired vaccine quantities."

Silly me for letting facts get in the way.

 

[geauxtohell]

YouTube - Doctor Admits Vaccine Is More Deadly Than Swine Flu Itself & Will Not Give It To His Kids

Holtorf's claims of being an "infectious disease" expert are fraudulent. Other than that, ironic that Dr. Holtorf is concerned about scientific scrutiny of the flu vaccine, but unconcerned about the utter lack of scientific scrutiny over his bread and butter "bioidentical" products.

The California Department of Developmental Services in 1999 put out a report in which they stated that there was a 273% increase in autism since 1960. Flu vaccines have been around since the 1940's so go figure.

http://www.dds.ca.gov/Autism/docs/autism_report_1999.pdf

You realize that autism was only recognized as a separate condition in the late 60's. Just maybe that is why the incidence has skyrocketed.

Just saying....

 

[geauxtohell]

Yeah. Go figure. If vaccines cause autism, why weren't we seeing this increase in the 40's and 50's? And the increase since '60? Could it be... oh I don't know... better diagnostics and increased awareness on the part of both parents and providers?

how DARE you use common sense and reason

Common sense such as ignoring the facts presented by doctors.

For every outlier you produce, there are a gajillion Drs. that disagree.

If you want to turn this into a simple mass effect argument, you are in a lopsided fight.

 

[THE LIGHT]

how DARE you use common sense and reason

Common sense such as ignoring the facts presented by doctors.

For every outlier you produce, there are a gajillion [sic] Drs. that disagree.

If you want to turn this into a simple mass effect argument, you are in a lopsided fight.

As is typical, the masses are paid off to be talking droid deniers. There usu sally are only a few whistle blowers dismissed as conspiracy nuts. So, yes, to be expected your masses of droids would win. But would they be correct? Let's not hurt our hopes we'll keep the true facts hush.

 

[geauxtohell]

As is typical, the masses are paid off to be talking droid deniers. There usu sally are only a few whistle blowers dismissed as conspiracy nuts. So, yes, to be expected your masses of droids would win. But would they be correct? Let's not hurt our hopes we'll keep the true facts hush.

Ah yes, the all too typical, "all your experts are in on the conspiracy" canard.

Yes, every pediatrician practicing in Podunk, Wherever is raking in massive case in the greatest conspiracy of our age.

The whistle blowers might gain some traction if they had any sound scientific evidence behind their claims. It also doesn't help when you claim to be an expert in a field of medicine that you are not. ID requires years of training past being an internist.

You don't get to have command of the "true facts" simply because you accuse everyone else of a conspiracy.

 

[DiveCon]

Common sense such as ignoring the facts presented by doctors.

For every outlier you produce, there are a gajillion [sic] Drs. that disagree.

If you want to turn this into a simple mass effect argument, you are in a lopsided fight.

As is typical, the masses are paid off to be talking droid deniers. There usu sally are only a few whistle blowers dismissed as conspiracy nuts. So, yes, to be expected your masses of droids would win. But would they be correct? Let's not hurt our hopes we'll keep the true facts hush.

i call Occam's Razor
which would be easier, to pay off the overwhelming number of doctors to support the shots, or to have a few crackpots that shouldnt be doctors in the first place?

 

[DiveCon]

As is typical, the masses are paid off to be talking droid deniers. There usu sally are only a few whistle blowers dismissed as conspiracy nuts. So, yes, to be expected your masses of droids would win. But would they be correct? Let's not hurt our hopes we'll keep the true facts hush.

Ah yes, the all too typical, "all your experts are in on the conspiracy" canard.

Yes, every pediatrician practicing in Podunk, Wherever is raking in massive case in the greatest conspiracy of our age.

The whistle blowers might gain some traction if they had any sound scientific evidence behind their claims. It also doesn't help when you claim to be an expert in a field of medicine that you are not. ID requires years of training past being an internist.

You don't get to have command of the "true facts" simply because you accuse everyone else of a conspiracy.

the the hell is a "true fact"?
truth is truth and fact is fact

 

[Emma]

That is not an infectious disease expert, for one. And he also claims squalene is used in US vaccines. It is not.

According to you. But according to Meryl Nass, M.D (The AnthraxVaccine.org Homepage) Diplomate, American Board of Internal Medicine

"A novel feature of the two H1N1 vaccines being developed by companies Novartis and GlaxoSmithKline is the addition of squalene-containing adjuvants to boost immunogenicity and dramatically reduce the amount of viral antigen needed. This translates to much faster production of desired vaccine quantities."

Silly me for letting facts get in the way.

Yeah, silly you

Novartis and GSK are indeed developing H1N1 flu vaccines with adjuvants containing squalene. In fact, they’ve been doing it for more than a decade – but I don’t want to give away the punch line. Let’s examine the rest of Dr. Mercola’s claims first.

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Ah, but earlier I promised you a punch line. Remember this quote?

The U.S. government has contracts with several drug companies to develop and produce swine flu vaccines. At least two of those companies, Novartis and GlaxoSmithKline, are using an adjuvant in their H1N1 vaccine.

Novartis and GSK are indeed developing influenza vaccines containing adjuvants – for use in Europe, where squalene containing adjuvants have been safely used for over a decade. The US is indeed conducting H1N1 vaccine safety and efficacy studies that include the use of adjuvants. Given the unpredictable nature of the upcoming season and the very real potential that vaccine demand will outstrip its supply, it would be irresponsible for the US not to be prepared with a well studied contingency plan that includes possible adjuvant use.

However, it must be clearly stated that there are no adjuvants, nor have there ever been, in the US influenza vaccines. Furthermore, barring the highly unlikely failure of the standard unadjuvanted vaccines currently in trial, the H1N1 vaccines available in the US will also be adjuvant free.

Science-Based Medicine » A Defense of Childhood Influenza Vaccination and Squalene-Containing Adjuvants; Joseph Mercola’s “Dirty Little Secret”


You fail