See we told you.. Mcdonalds is ordering 7K touch screen to replace cashiers

[NYcarbineer]

More proof that conservatives' most important economic goal is to increase the gap between rich and poor.

 

[depotoo]

Again you offer up a single worker solution to a problem affecting tens of millions of workers

The population of MW workers is not static. Most work there for a short while and move up. Those that can't or won't are a relatively small percentage. But at least they're working, even if gov't has to subsidize the portion of their lives they can't or won't take responsibility for.

They move up but move up to a job that may pay $10 an hour. $20k a year still does not pay the bills. The problem goes way beyond $7.25 minimum wage but our whole wage structure. Part of the wage pyramid is seeing major increases, part isn't.
Taxpayers make up the difference

average supervisory position at McD's is $36 grand a year - or on a 36 hour week for 52 wks a year is $19.33 an hour. Get your facts straight before making so-called pronouncements.

 

[rightwinger]

Would you rather tax payers support them fully or partially? To think they don't help with the economy is really absurd thinking. They actually take a burden off the tax payer by providing a job that otherwise would not be there.

Let's look at it this way. The taxpayer is subsidizing their profit margin by allowing them to pay an artificially low wage. A wage where their own workers could not afford to live in their community

artificially low?? When with the wages they are paying now they have a 6% profit margin BEFORE taxes! Let's get real here. Please.

Why is it invariably those willing to repeat the shrill cry of the unions don't take the time to find out what they are actually asking and whether it is truly feaible.

And you can totally turn it around. They are paying what they can afford for the price they can garner for their products and taking a burden off the tax payer as well as actually giving self esteem to those that value a work ethic rather than having to live off the govt.


And for those workers that can't live on the wage they have then they need to do more so they can move up rather than demand someone give them something more for nothing more from themselves.

If we have 60 million workers who cannot live on the wage they are paid do we just have them "move up"

Move up to where?

 

[bodecea]

McDonald's orders 7,000 touchscreen kiosks to replace cashiers - Neowin


YOu wanna walk out on your job for more money. Guess what you now might lose your jobs all because of UNIONS who are greedy..

How many debunked threads by Lovebears does this make in the last week alone?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Market based wages are not artificially low, bub.

The 'market' has no morals. If you believe that the economic wellbeing of the people of this country should be subject to a dominant force that is without morality,

then you support 'free markets'.

Who is it that doesn't care for the well being of people here? Who is pushing for these artificially high wages? The same ones that have brought retirees to their knees because companies and municipalities could not afford the so-called 'moral wages and pensions' the unions demanded.
Want an example? How much will Detroits pensioners receive versus what they planned on? How many layoffs have there been with GM? How many steel mills closed? How much did GM's pensioners get versus what they were told they would receive? How many municipalities are in trouble with unfunded/underfunded pensions?

So in order to avoid the risk of not having a pension some day, Americans should settle for dirt wage jobs that do not include a pension benefit.

That's some genius thinking there.

 

[tap4154]

Again you offer up a single worker solution to a problem affecting tens of millions of workers

The population of MW workers is not static. Most work there for a short while and move up. Those that can't or won't are a relatively small percentage. But at least they're working, even if gov't has to subsidize the portion of their lives they can't or won't take responsibility for.

They move up but move up to a job that may pay $10 an hour. $20k a year still does not pay the bills. The problem goes way beyond $7.25 minimum wage but our whole wage structure. Part of the wage pyramid is seeing major increases, part isn't.
Taxpayers make up the difference

Actually the root of the problem is WITH gov't involvement in businesses. Ever-increasing taxes, fees, heaps of needless/DUMB regulations which suck time and cash from businesses. Get gov't off the back of business and you'll have what they have in North Dakota, which has an oil boom going on due to all the private land drilling that BO can't stop with his anti-oil/energy agenda. They have unemployment rates of 2%-3%, pay far above MW for fast food workers, and even bonuses for new hires!

 

[Mac1958]

So in order to avoid the risk of not having a pension some day, Americans should settle for dirt wage jobs that do not include a pension benefit.

That's some genius thinking there.

Can you tell me why, especially here in America, anyone should have to settle for such a thing?

Have you NO faith in people whatsoever?

.

 

[depotoo]

Let's look at it this way. The taxpayer is subsidizing their profit margin by allowing them to pay an artificially low wage. A wage where their own workers could not afford to live in their community

artificially low?? When with the wages they are paying now they have a 6% profit margin BEFORE taxes! Let's get real here. Please.

Why is it invariably those willing to repeat the shrill cry of the unions don't take the time to find out what they are actually asking and whether it is truly feaible.

And you can totally turn it around. They are paying what they can afford for the price they can garner for their products and taking a burden off the tax payer as well as actually giving self esteem to those that value a work ethic rather than having to live off the govt.


And for those workers that can't live on the wage they have then they need to do more so they can move up rather than demand someone give them something more for nothing more from themselves.

If we have 60 million workers who cannot live on the wage they are paid do we just have them "move up"

Move up to where?

Oh, please. Really now. I guess you have never heard of working your way up the ladder through good work ethic, have you? The average pay for a supervisor at McD's is $36,000 a year. That is something to work toward through good work ethic, shining above others, etc.
if they don't feel like bettering themselves through taking courses or trade schools at least work smarter than the guy standing next to you. Make yourself of value. Then you can, too earn that higher wage.

If you honestly think that everyone should be able to live off a job as a simple line worker or cashier at a fast food restaurant, then you are so far gone, there is no help for you.
You want them to be paid more when they are offering nothing more. They stand there for hours in a day, in which they truly just stand there for part of that shift, as I have never seen a fast food place busy enough for that line worker or cashier to actually be working the entire time they are there on a shift.

You want a Chavez type existence then go live in Venezuela. Their industries have pretty well been taken over so they can give everyone a supposed living wage. See how well that works out for ya. The average yearly wage in Venezuela in 2006 was $7480 or an average of $3.59 an hour.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

More proof that conservatives' most important economic goal is to increase the gap between rich and poor.

Obama already achieved that when he doubled our insurance premiums while at the same time promised insurance CEO's to bail them out if they dont turn a profit.

 

[beagle9]

Again you offer up a single worker solution to a problem affecting tens of millions of workers

The population of MW workers is not static. Most work there for a short while and move up. Those that can't or won't are a relatively small percentage. But at least they're working, even if gov't has to subsidize the portion of their lives they can't or won't take responsibility for.

They move up but move up to a job that may pay $10 an hour. $20k a year still does not pay the bills. The problem goes way beyond $7.25 minimum wage but our whole wage structure. Part of the wage pyramid is seeing major increases, part isn't.
Taxpayers make up the difference

Do people think that all that works in these places are kids ? There are grown ups working in these places also. Now how are they being treated in these places as far as their pay goes, and has McDonalds been treating them right ?

 

[alan1]

McDonald's orders 7,000 touchscreen kiosks to replace cashiers - Neowin


YOu wanna walk out on your job for more money. Guess what you now might lose your jobs all because of UNIONS who are greedy..

And what do you suppose might be the outcome of such robotization?

Jobs will be lost.

Corporate profit will rise.

Government will increase benefits to the unemployed.

Corporate taxes must be increased to compensate.

Do you know of a likely alternative?

Jobs will not be lost.

There will be new jobs for people installing repairing and programming the new machines.

And for an alternative; how about people who aspire to nothing but making fries learn a more valuable skill.?

The person that says "Would you like fries with that?" isn't going to learn how to fix the machine.

 

[candycorn]

Again, we have a consumer based economy.

When consumers have less money, consumption goes down; hence the economy slows.

More money in the hands of consumers equals a stronger economy.

It's not a coincidence that wage stagnation has mirrored a slowing economy.

 

[Freewill]

Again, we have a consumer based economy.

When consumers have less money, consumption goes down; hence the economy slows.

More money in the hands of consumers equals a stronger economy.

It's not a coincidence that wage stagnation has mirrored a slowing economy.

So you agree that cutting taxes spurs the economy, good for you.

 

[kaz]

Again, we have a consumer based economy.

When consumers have less money, consumption goes down; hence the economy slows.

More money in the hands of consumers equals a stronger economy.

It's not a coincidence that wage stagnation has mirrored a slowing economy.

So you believe taking money away from business owners and consumers (higher prices) and giving it to a low skill employee is adding money to the economy. You know, like daylight savings makes the day longer.

Actually, creation of value drives the economy. You know, evil profit. Net zero tricks like taking money from one person and giving it to another drive inefficiency which harms the economy.

 

[rightwinger]

artificially low?? When with the wages they are paying now they have a 6% profit margin BEFORE taxes! Let's get real here. Please.

Why is it invariably those willing to repeat the shrill cry of the unions don't take the time to find out what they are actually asking and whether it is truly feaible.

And you can totally turn it around. They are paying what they can afford for the price they can garner for their products and taking a burden off the tax payer as well as actually giving self esteem to those that value a work ethic rather than having to live off the govt.


And for those workers that can't live on the wage they have then they need to do more so they can move up rather than demand someone give them something more for nothing more from themselves.

If we have 60 million workers who cannot live on the wage they are paid do we just have them "move up"

Move up to where?

Oh, please. Really now. I guess you have never heard of working your way up the ladder through good work ethic, have you? The average pay for a supervisor at McD's is $36,000 a year. That is something to work toward through good work ethic, shining above others, etc.
if they don't feel like bettering themselves through taking courses or trade schools at least work smarter than the guy standing next to you. Make yourself of value. Then you can, too earn that higher wage.

If you honestly think that everyone should be able to live off a job as a simple line worker or cashier at a fast food restaurant, then you are so far gone, there is no help for you.
You want them to be paid more when they are offering nothing more. They stand there for hours in a day, in which they truly just stand there for part of that shift, as I have never seen a fast food place busy enough for that line worker or cashier to actually be working the entire time they are there on a shift.

You want a Chavez type existence then go live in Venezuela. Their industries have pretty well been taken over so they can give everyone a supposed living wage. See how well that works out for ya. The average yearly wage in Venezuela in 2006 was $7480 or an average of $3.59 an hour.

Oh please.....Really now

But once again you are offering solutions that might help an individual and assume they will help all individuals. If there are 60 million workers who do not earn enough to support their families, there are not 60 million supervisor positions, there are not 60 million second and third jobs available to workers

As it is today, our solution is to allow workers to be paid substandard wages and let the taxpayers make up the difference

My suggestion is to start shifting more of that burden back to employers......where it always used to be

 

[The T]

With technology comes change and jobs that once were abundant now no longer exist due to this technology. This trend will continue.

Word to the wise is keep up with it.

Another word to the wise: Work your arse off, so you might stay with the company to operate the new technology. Or grab the bad back excuse and go on disability until free money runs out and you have to learn a new language .....Mandarin.

^This too. No doubt.

 

[depotoo]

The 'market' has no morals. If you believe that the economic wellbeing of the people of this country should be subject to a dominant force that is without morality,

then you support 'free markets'.

Who is it that doesn't care for the well being of people here? Who is pushing for these artificially high wages? The same ones that have brought retirees to their knees because companies and municipalities could not afford the so-called 'moral wages and pensions' the unions demanded.
Want an example? How much will Detroits pensioners receive versus what they planned on? How many layoffs have there been with GM? How many steel mills closed? How much did GM's pensioners get versus what they were told they would receive? How many municipalities are in trouble with unfunded/underfunded pensions?

So in order to avoid the risk of not having a pension some day, Americans should settle for dirt wage jobs that do not include a pension benefit.

That's some genius thinking there.

Really? Once again, spouting off I see, putting words in my mouth I never said. It is called being reasonable. Not being able to retire with a full pension after just 10-20 years as many are able to do. Dirt wages?? Who said anything about dirt wages?

Let me ask you this, did you know 2 years ago trach collectors in New York city averaged $144,000 a year with their wage and benefits. Do you really think they deserve that much for picking up waste bins?

 

[depotoo]

If we have 60 million workers who cannot live on the wage they are paid do we just have them "move up"

Move up to where?

Oh, please. Really now. I guess you have never heard of working your way up the ladder through good work ethic, have you? The average pay for a supervisor at McD's is $36,000 a year. That is something to work toward through good work ethic, shining above others, etc.
if they don't feel like bettering themselves through taking courses or trade schools at least work smarter than the guy standing next to you. Make yourself of value. Then you can, too earn that higher wage.

If you honestly think that everyone should be able to live off a job as a simple line worker or cashier at a fast food restaurant, then you are so far gone, there is no help for you.
You want them to be paid more when they are offering nothing more. They stand there for hours in a day, in which they truly just stand there for part of that shift, as I have never seen a fast food place busy enough for that line worker or cashier to actually be working the entire time they are there on a shift.

You want a Chavez type existence then go live in Venezuela. Their industries have pretty well been taken over so they can give everyone a supposed living wage. See how well that works out for ya. The average yearly wage in Venezuela in 2006 was $7480 or an average of $3.59 an hour.

Oh please.....Really now

But once again you are offering solutions that might help an individual and assume they will help all individuals. If there are 60 million workers who do not earn enough to support their families, there are not 60 million supervisor positions, there are not 60 million second and third jobs available to workers

As it is today, our solution is to allow workers to be paid substandard wages and let the taxpayers make up the difference

My suggestion is to start shifting more of that burden back to employers......where it always used to be

show me where 60 million workers are trying to support a family on $7-8 an hour.
Most of those working at fast food restaurants are teenagers, or college students. If the teenagers already have a family, then they should have thought about that before pulling it out of their pants. Do you not think their should be consequences for ones actions in life?

 

[007]

Pretty simple what's going on here folks... on the one hand we have conservatives that believe if you want to make a decent living wage, you have to further your education and work for it.

Then on the other hand we have the give me something for nothing liberals that believe they shouldn't have to do jack shit to get paid more money. They believe that they're entitled to something for nothing, this is what they've been taught. The obama-phone, SNAPS, welfare, sudsidized, afirmative action, ACORN, EBT card carrying leftist, who in this day and age aren't much different than the communists of China or Cuba. They want something, for nothing, and that's why their santa claus was elected for a second term.

We have half a nation full of fat ass, lazy, beholding, entitlement class people folks. They figure the rich OWE them JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE RICH. They don't believe they should have to do ANYTHING to DESERVE MORE MONEY. They just WANT IT.

Sick sons a bitches, and they are ruining this country with their LAZINESS and ILLITERATE ways. An entire segment of the population that is nothing more than LEACHES.

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I don't know about anyone else, but this thread has been very instructive for me.

We really are talking about the individual being relieved of a level of personal responsibility, with an employer taking that load on in addition to trying to maximize shareholder value. Then, the government is there to enforce. In America.

Let your mind wander through the potential ramifications here.

I'm beginning to wish I hadn't seen this thread. I would have thought I'd have heard this from some guy screaming on the radio with a conspiracy theory, but it's all right here.

Not even sure what else to say.

And there you have... the leftists utopia... "hope and change"...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoqI5PSRcXM]Obama-Spread the wealth around - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQu2SVFF-cU]U Didn't Build That - YouTube[/ame]

 

[kaz]

My suggestion is to start shifting more of that burden back to employers......where it always used to be

The burden is on employers to pay market wages. It is the politicians you are in love with who are skewing that. In fact, politicians are discouraging full employment with endless regulations, taxes and mandates. If you want to increase employment, unencumber employers and stop scapegoatting us for your own failures.