Senate Appears To Have Votes to Overturn Emergency Declaration

[peach174]

Why do Dimms give a shit if there is a physical barrier on the US southern border? Specifically?

The money part is a lie. So list real problems.

Why do Repubs give a shit if there is a physical barrier on the US southern border? Specifically?

The "it will work" part is a proven lie. So list real reasons.

I suspect they just support Trump's whims no matter how goofy those whims are.

Walls will slow them down. Kind of like a door lock at your house.
Idiot.

The money can be better spent other ways. We both know the only reason the right is pushing for that silly wall is because of Trump's dumb campaign promise. That promise is already broken anyway. Mexico isn't going to pay for any wall.

Its better than amnesty and shit.
I don't support the wall, i want to actually fix the system. Nevertheless, the arguments against the wall are stupid.

The arguments for the wall are ignorant.

I don't think our Border Patrol are ignorant who are asking for this.
They know where they want the steel barriers, so that they can concentrate more agents in the open areas.

 

[otto105]

Why do Repubs give a shit if there is a physical barrier on the US southern border? Specifically?

The "it will work" part is a proven lie. So list real reasons.

I suspect they just support Trump's whims no matter how goofy those whims are.

Walls will slow them down. Kind of like a door lock at your house.
Idiot.

The money can be better spent other ways. We both know the only reason the right is pushing for that silly wall is because of Trump's dumb campaign promise. That promise is already broken anyway. Mexico isn't going to pay for any wall.

Its better than amnesty and shit.
I don't support the wall, i want to actually fix the system. Nevertheless, the arguments against the wall are stupid.

The arguments for the wall are ignorant.

I don't think our Border Patrol are ignorant who are asking for this.
They know where they want the steel barriers, so that they can concentrate more agents in the open areas.

Trump says the agents that he has spoken to want a wall.


Can you tell me why ALL congressional representatives on the border oppose its construction?

 

[pismoe]

quite a few have agendas and are liars I reckon and they work their jobs for Money Otto . They like the influx of their 'south american' third world brothers , sisters , extended familia Otto .

 

[pismoe]

I mean , hey , WHO do you think put these 'congressional reps' into office and their taxpayer paid jobs ?? Are you another naïve youngster Otto ??

 

[BULLDOG]

I mean , hey , WHO do you think put these 'congressional reps' into office and their taxpayer paid jobs ?? Are you another naïve youngster Otto ??

The voters put them into office. Sux to be you.

 

[pismoe]

I mean , hey , WHO do you think put these 'congressional reps' into office and their taxpayer paid jobs ?? Are you another naïve youngster Otto ??

The voters put them into office. Sux to be you.

------------------------------------ sure , and i'm just informing the Naïve youngster as to WHY the 'con reps' are traitorous Bulldog .

 

[busybee01]

I see this and my reaction is "so what?"

Other than a veto override, what's the mechanism that says that congress can order the executive around?

Start with this.

No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.”
— U.S. Constitution, Article I, section 9, clause 7

Congress has the power of the purse and they have the sole power to determine how much and how the Executive can spend money

 

[Oddball]

I see this and my reaction is "so what?"

Other than a veto override, what's the mechanism that says that congress can order the executive around?

Start with this.

No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.”
— U.S. Constitution, Article I, section 9, clause 7

Congress has the power of the purse and they have the sole power to determine how much and how the Executive can spend money

Quit acting like you give a shit about the Constitution.

 

[busybee01]

Rand Paul and three others have decided that they are “no” votes on the Emergency Declaration.

Senate Seems to Have Enough Votes to Reject Trump’s Emergency Declaration

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The doesn’t seem to be enough to over-ride the assured Presidential veto however.

Yet.

The Democrats are fighting very hard for illegal aliens, drug smugglers, human traffickers and gangs, but they are saying F U to American Citizens.

American citizens are saying F U to Trump and the Republicans. That is why they gave control of the House to Democrats and do not support a wall.

 

[busybee01]

Rand Paul and three others have decided that they are “no” votes on the Emergency Declaration.

Senate Seems to Have Enough Votes to Reject Trump’s Emergency Declaration

View attachment 248674

The doesn’t seem to be enough to over-ride the assured Presidential veto however.

Yet.

lol After 58 national emergencies declared by every president since 1976 and thirteen by Obama and three previous national emergencies by Trump, Paul decided this was a good time to defend the Constitution?

None of them directly confront the Constitution the way this does. The only one that dealt with domestic policy was overturned by the courts.

Rand Paul
"To my mind, like it or not, we had this conversation. In fact, the government was shut down in a public battle over how much money would be spent on the wall and border security. It ended with a deal that Congress passed and the president signed into law, thus determining the amount.

Congress clearly expressed its will not to spend more than $1.3 billion and to restrict how much of that money could go to barriers. Therefore, President Trump’s emergency order is clearly in opposition to the will of Congress.

Moreover, the broad principle of separation of powers in the Constitution delegates the power of the purse to Congress. This turns that principle on its head.

I, and many of my fellow members, called out President Obama for abusing executive authority. President Obama famously said that if Congress wouldn’t do what he wanted, he had his pen and his phone ready. That was wrong. Many of those voting now spent a good portion of their campaigns running ads against these words and actions of President Obama. They will and should be condemned for hypocrisy if they vote to allow this because they want the policy or want to stand with the president in a partisan fight."

 

[busybee01]

Walls will slow them down. Kind of like a door lock at your house.
Idiot.

The money can be better spent other ways. We both know the only reason the right is pushing for that silly wall is because of Trump's dumb campaign promise. That promise is already broken anyway. Mexico isn't going to pay for any wall.

Its better than amnesty and shit.
I don't support the wall, i want to actually fix the system. Nevertheless, the arguments against the wall are stupid.

The arguments for the wall are stupid.

No, whats stupid is that the people on the left were told that walls don't work and they actually believe it.

And this, after years of Democratic politicians telling them that walls do work.

Mark

Walls don’t work, yet every Dimm millionaire in Congress has a wall around their houses.

Such hypocrites. It’s hilarious and disgusting.

Not every Dem has a wall around their house. Pelosi does not.

 

[candycorn]

Once again the courts will act as nannies telling our elected officials how they are supposed to act. Half of the nation will be outraged at the verdict that should never have come about in the first place because the issue should never have come up to start with. The Congress allocates the monies. They didn't allocate money for the wall outside of what was spelled out in the CR. That is where it should stop.

That the veto isn't over-ridden 435-0 and 100-0 is a travesty. Why even have a congress if the Executive can just re-allocate funding as it see's fit?

 

[candycorn]

The money can be better spent other ways. We both know the only reason the right is pushing for that silly wall is because of Trump's dumb campaign promise. That promise is already broken anyway. Mexico isn't going to pay for any wall.

Its better than amnesty and shit.
I don't support the wall, i want to actually fix the system. Nevertheless, the arguments against the wall are stupid.

The arguments for the wall are stupid.

No, whats stupid is that the people on the left were told that walls don't work and they actually believe it.

And this, after years of Democratic politicians telling them that walls do work.

Mark

Walls don’t work, yet every Dimm millionaire in Congress has a wall around their houses.

Such hypocrites. It’s hilarious and disgusting.

Not every Dem has a wall around their house. Pelosi does not.

The "wall around the house" argument is about the dumbest thing ever.

 

[busybee01]

Rand Paul and three others have decided that they are “no” votes on the Emergency Declaration.

Senate Seems to Have Enough Votes to Reject Trump’s Emergency Declaration

View attachment 248674

The doesn’t seem to be enough to over-ride the assured Presidential veto however.

Yet.

lol After 58 national emergencies declared by every president since 1976 and thirteen by Obama and three previous national emergencies by Trump, Paul decided this was a good time to defend the Constitution?

His objection was to re-allocation of funds that were approved by Congress.
Can’t blame him.

That's his excuse for grabbing the spotlight. In fact, no money is being reallocated. The money will come from drug interdiction money held by the Treasury and from the military construction fund.

And it has to be authorized by Congress.

 

[busybee01]

Rand Paul and three others have decided that they are “no” votes on the Emergency Declaration.

Senate Seems to Have Enough Votes to Reject Trump’s Emergency Declaration

View attachment 248674

The doesn’t seem to be enough to over-ride the assured Presidential veto however.

Yet.

lol After 58 national emergencies declared by every president since 1976 and thirteen by Obama and three previous national emergencies by Trump, Paul decided this was a good time to defend the Constitution?

His objection was to re-allocation of funds that were approved by Congress.
Can’t blame him.

That's his excuse for grabbing the spotlight. In fact, no money is being reallocated. The money will come from drug interdiction money held by the Treasury and from the military construction fund.

The military construction fund isn't a slush fund that can be tapped on a presidential whim. It was funded for specific military construction projects, and can not be redirected without some military reason to do so. We are not under attack, and there is no military reason to build a wall.

------------------------- i think that we have USA Military on the Border right now Bulldog .

They are not there in a military role since the military cannot enforce civilian law.

 

[busybee01]

Rand Paul and three others have decided that they are “no” votes on the Emergency Declaration.

Senate Seems to Have Enough Votes to Reject Trump’s Emergency Declaration

View attachment 248674

The doesn’t seem to be enough to over-ride the assured Presidential veto however.

Yet.

lol After 58 national emergencies declared by every president since 1976 and thirteen by Obama and three previous national emergencies by Trump, Paul decided this was a good time to defend the Constitution?

His objection was to re-allocation of funds that were approved by Congress.
Can’t blame him.

That's his excuse for grabbing the spotlight. In fact, no money is being reallocated. The money will come from drug interdiction money held by the Treasury and from the military construction fund.

Military construction funding was voting on by the Congress. It’s pretty clear that the intent of Congress was not the construction of the wall since that was a separate funding line item.

But that is what the Courts will eventually decide.

There is no line item. The executive decides what should be built and how it should be built. Do you really believe he has to go back to Congress every time he wants to add another bathroom to a building? The money from the military construction fund is money that has not been previously allocated to other projects.

No they do not. Congress provided $1.3 billion for fences not $5.7 billion for a wall and that is the end of the story.

 

[pismoe]

the Military just being there as wusses does show that this is a Military Issue . And law or not the Military should be able to stop an invasion . Hopefully the laws will change in the future as concerns invasion over the USA Southern border BBee .

 

[busybee01]

His objection was to re-allocation of funds that were approved by Congress.
Can’t blame him.

That's his excuse for grabbing the spotlight. In fact, no money is being reallocated. The money will come from drug interdiction money held by the Treasury and from the military construction fund.

The military construction fund isn't a slush fund that can be tapped on a presidential whim. It was funded for specific military construction projects, and can not be redirected without some military reason to do so. We are not under attack, and there is no military reason to build a wall.

------------------------- i think that we have USA Military on the Border right now Bulldog .

Yes we do, and it's not because the military has a purpose there.

----------------------------------------- and thats your OPINION . But fact remains that USA Military is on the USA Southern Border serving a Militay purpose Bulldog .

They are not serving a military purpose. They cannot have a military purpose since the military cannot enforce civilian law.

 

[pismoe]

The money can be better spent other ways. We both know the only reason the right is pushing for that silly wall is because of Trump's dumb campaign promise. That promise is already broken anyway. Mexico isn't going to pay for any wall.

Its better than amnesty and shit.
I don't support the wall, i want to actually fix the system. Nevertheless, the arguments against the wall are stupid.

The arguments for the wall are stupid.

No, whats stupid is that the people on the left were told that walls don't work and they actually believe it.

And this, after years of Democratic politicians telling them that walls do work.

Mark

Walls don’t work, yet every Dimm millionaire in Congress has a wall around their houses.

Such hypocrites. It’s hilarious and disgusting.

Not every Dem has a wall around their house. Pelosi does not.

WALL or not , 'pelosi' has cops , secret service , military and guys with guns at her slightest whim Penny .

 

[Oddball]

Rand Paul and three others have decided that they are “no” votes on the Emergency Declaration.

Senate Seems to Have Enough Votes to Reject Trump’s Emergency Declaration

View attachment 248674

The doesn’t seem to be enough to over-ride the assured Presidential veto however.

Yet.

lol After 58 national emergencies declared by every president since 1976 and thirteen by Obama and three previous national emergencies by Trump, Paul decided this was a good time to defend the Constitution?

None of them directly confront the Constitution the way this does. The only one that dealt with domestic policy was overturned by the courts.

Rand Paul
"To my mind, like it or not, we had this conversation. In fact, the government was shut down in a public battle over how much money would be spent on the wall and border security. It ended with a deal that Congress passed and the president signed into law, thus determining the amount.

Congress clearly expressed its will not to spend more than $1.3 billion and to restrict how much of that money could go to barriers. Therefore, President Trump’s emergency order is clearly in opposition to the will of Congress.

Moreover, the broad principle of separation of powers in the Constitution delegates the power of the purse to Congress. This turns that principle on its head.

I, and many of my fellow members, called out President Obama for abusing executive authority. President Obama famously said that if Congress wouldn’t do what he wanted, he had his pen and his phone ready. That was wrong. Many of those voting now spent a good portion of their campaigns running ads against these words and actions of President Obama. They will and should be condemned for hypocrisy if they vote to allow this because they want the policy or want to stand with the president in a partisan fight."

Rand Paul is an honest broker, you two partisan hack clowns are not.