Senate Impeachment Trial Thread.

[ChrisL]

Is he your father or something?

What specifically did you find compelling?

His speech was well organized and impeccably logical. He made a compelling argument. He laid out his case brilliantly.

Be careful of asskissers ^^^. They are always the first to start shit.

An ass kisser is someone who constantly prostrates themselves to another. Like you do for Trump.

Was Bill Clinton NOT GUILTY OF COMMITTING perjury to a grand jury?

And Clinton told his staff to comply and cooperate with Congress. Clinton and Even Nixon, respected our system. Trump doesn’t.

The president can use his executive privilege and refuse to be subpoenaed. Those are the facts. Cry all you want. At this point, what difference does it make?

 

[JLW]

It is hard to put into a few sentences a two hour argument. His argument was right on the money when Talking about obstruction. Failure to deal with Trump’s failure to comply with Congress’ subpoenas will hollow out the impeachment power. If Congress can’t reign the president, then Presidential power will be unlimited and Congress will fall into irrelevance.

Nonsense. If the President doesn't comply with a subpoena, then the proper course of action is to take the issue to the courts. This is how it has always been done and there is no such thing as obstruction of Congress when a President cites executive privilege.

Impeachment is of a different nature. It is political. As Judge Sirica wrote we are dealing with issues going to the foundation of the Repiblic. The courts should not interfere. The executive branch has to comply.

Bullshit. The courts are always the proper place to settle disputes between the President and Congress. The Democrats hijacked the House, trashed the Constitution, worked tirelessly to undermine US policies at home and abroad and sought to prevent the implementation of programs that would have benefited all Americans in order to advance their own political ambitions.

Trashing the constitution is not treating Congress as a co-equal branch of government.

Is that why the Supreme Court had to slap down Obumma 13 times for violating the Constitution and exceeding his presidential powers?

Wouldn't Abuse of Power be exceeding them? Yet, number of times SCOTUS has censured Trump?

ZERO.

Republicans controlled the House and they could have started impeachment proceedings against Obama and did not.

 

[rightwinger]

Adam Schiff did a masterful job concluding the Democrats case against Trump.

While it appears he was making his case to Republicans, it is obvious that Republican loyalty is to their party.

Schiff was making his case to history. History will ultimately decide on the guilt of Trump and those who covered for him

 

[JLW]

His speech was well organized and impeccably logical. He made a compelling argument. He laid out his case brilliantly.

Be careful of asskissers ^^^. They are always the first to start shit.

An ass kisser is someone who constantly prostrates themselves to another. Like you do for Trump.

Was Bill Clinton NOT GUILTY OF COMMITTING perjury to a grand jury?

And Clinton told his staff to comply and cooperate with Congress. Clinton and Even Nixon, respected our system. Trump doesn’t.

The president can use his executive privilege and refuse to be subpoenaed. Those are the facts. Cry all you want. At this point, what difference does it make?

Any privilege is not absolute. Once again if you were actually listening to Schiff and not Fox News, Schiff addressed the issue.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Nonsense. If the President doesn't comply with a subpoena, then the proper course of action is to take the issue to the courts. This is how it has always been done and there is no such thing as obstruction of Congress when a President cites executive privilege.

Impeachment is of a different nature. It is political. As Judge Sirica wrote we are dealing with issues going to the foundation of the Repiblic. The courts should not interfere. The executive branch has to comply.

Bullshit. The courts are always the proper place to settle disputes between the President and Congress. The Democrats hijacked the House, trashed the Constitution, worked tirelessly to undermine US policies at home and abroad and sought to prevent the implementation of programs that would have benefited all Americans in order to advance their own political ambitions.

Trashing the constitution is not treating Congress as a co-equal branch of government.

Is that why the Supreme Court had to slap down Obumma 13 times for violating the Constitution and exceeding his presidential powers?

Wouldn't Abuse of Power be exceeding them? Yet, number of times SCOTUS has censured Trump?

ZERO.

Republicans controlled the House and they could have started impeachment proceedings against Obama and did not.

That's because Republicans are respectful of the Constitution and the institutions of government and the Democrats clearly aren't.

 

[rightwinger]

His speech was well organized and impeccably logical. He made a compelling argument. He laid out his case brilliantly.

Be careful of asskissers ^^^. They are always the first to start shit.

An ass kisser is someone who constantly prostrates themselves to another. Like you do for Trump.

Was Bill Clinton NOT GUILTY OF COMMITTING perjury to a grand jury?

And Clinton told his staff to comply and cooperate with Congress. Clinton and Even Nixon, respected our system. Trump doesn’t.

The president can use his executive privilege and refuse to be subpoenaed. Those are the facts. Cry all you want. At this point, what difference does it make?

Actually, it was not a fact for Nixon or Clinton

What difference does it make if a President uses his official powers to pressure foreign governments for personal favors?

 

[ColonelAngus]

Clinton was impeached for committing perjury, and for obstructing justice. And he should be very thankful that federal district judge in Arkansas, Little Rock, Arkansas, Susan Webber Wright didn’t hold him in contempt until after the impeachment trial in the senate was over – her big mistake, in my view – but she did that because she said she didn’t want it to influence the impeachment trial. When, in fact, she should have just have done it in a timely manner and allow the senate to make its own decision.

 

[toobfreak]

Nonsense. If the President doesn't comply with a subpoena, then the proper course of action is to take the issue to the courts. This is how it has always been done and there is no such thing as obstruction of Congress when a President cites executive privilege.

Impeachment is of a different nature. It is political. As Judge Sirica wrote we are dealing with issues going to the foundation of the Repiblic. The courts should not interfere. The executive branch has to comply.

Bullshit. The courts are always the proper place to settle disputes between the President and Congress. The Democrats hijacked the House, trashed the Constitution, worked tirelessly to undermine US policies at home and abroad and sought to prevent the implementation of programs that would have benefited all Americans in order to advance their own political ambitions.

Trashing the constitution is not treating Congress as a co-equal branch of government.

Is that why the Supreme Court had to slap down Obumma 13 times for violating the Constitution and exceeding his presidential powers?

Wouldn't Abuse of Power be exceeding them? Yet, number of times SCOTUS has censured Trump?

ZERO.

Republicans controlled the House and they could have started impeachment proceedings against Obama and did not.

THAT'S RIGHT.

 

[JLW]

Clinton was impeached for committing perjury, and for obstructing justice. And he should be very thankful that federal district judge in Arkansas, Little Rock, Arkansas, Susan Webber Wright didn’t hold him in contempt until after the impeachment trial in the senate was over – her big mistake, in my view – but she did that because she said she didn’t want it to influence the impeachment trial. When, in fact, she should have just have done it in a timely manner and allow the senate to make its own decision.

If you feel that way about Clinton, what is the difference with Trump.

I will say that I was totally disgusted with Clinton by the time he left office. In retrospect it may have been better if he had been impeached and Gore was elevated to the presidency.

 

[ChrisL]

Nonsense. If the President doesn't comply with a subpoena, then the proper course of action is to take the issue to the courts. This is how it has always been done and there is no such thing as obstruction of Congress when a President cites executive privilege.

Impeachment is of a different nature. It is political. As Judge Sirica wrote we are dealing with issues going to the foundation of the Repiblic. The courts should not interfere. The executive branch has to comply.

Bullshit. The courts are always the proper place to settle disputes between the President and Congress. The Democrats hijacked the House, trashed the Constitution, worked tirelessly to undermine US policies at home and abroad and sought to prevent the implementation of programs that would have benefited all Americans in order to advance their own political ambitions.

Trashing the constitution is not treating Congress as a co-equal branch of government.

Is that why the Supreme Court had to slap down Obumma 13 times for violating the Constitution and exceeding his presidential powers?

Wouldn't Abuse of Power be exceeding them? Yet, number of times SCOTUS has censured Trump?

ZERO.

Republicans controlled the House and they could have started impeachment proceedings against Obama and did not.

And? Point being?

Be careful of asskissers ^^^. They are always the first to start shit.

An ass kisser is someone who constantly prostrates themselves to another. Like you do for Trump.

Was Bill Clinton NOT GUILTY OF COMMITTING perjury to a grand jury?

And Clinton told his staff to comply and cooperate with Congress. Clinton and Even Nixon, respected our system. Trump doesn’t.

The president can use his executive privilege and refuse to be subpoenaed. Those are the facts. Cry all you want. At this point, what difference does it make?

Any privilege is not absolute. Once again if you were actually listening to Schiff and not Fox News, Schiff addressed the issue.

He can claim executive privilege over his documents as well.

 

[ChrisL]

Be careful of asskissers ^^^. They are always the first to start shit.

An ass kisser is someone who constantly prostrates themselves to another. Like you do for Trump.

Was Bill Clinton NOT GUILTY OF COMMITTING perjury to a grand jury?

And Clinton told his staff to comply and cooperate with Congress. Clinton and Even Nixon, respected our system. Trump doesn’t.

The president can use his executive privilege and refuse to be subpoenaed. Those are the facts. Cry all you want. At this point, what difference does it make?

Actually, it was not a fact for Nixon or Clinton

What difference does it make if a President uses his official powers to pressure foreign governments for personal favors?

I don't know. Ask Obama or any other president for that matter. Lol!

 

[ChrisL]

Damn, dems are very naïve.

 

[ColonelAngus]

Clinton was impeached for committing perjury, and for obstructing justice. And he should be very thankful that federal district judge in Arkansas, Little Rock, Arkansas, Susan Webber Wright didn’t hold him in contempt until after the impeachment trial in the senate was over – her big mistake, in my view – but she did that because she said she didn’t want it to influence the impeachment trial. When, in fact, she should have just have done it in a timely manner and allow the senate to make its own decision.

If you feel that way about Clinton, what is the difference with Trump.

I will say that I was totally disgusted with Clinton by the time he left office. In retrospect it may have been better if he had been impeached and Gore was elevated to the presidency.

Trump didn’t break any law.

 

[ChrisL]

Be careful of asskissers ^^^. They are always the first to start shit.

An ass kisser is someone who constantly prostrates themselves to another. Like you do for Trump.

Was Bill Clinton NOT GUILTY OF COMMITTING perjury to a grand jury?

And Clinton told his staff to comply and cooperate with Congress. Clinton and Even Nixon, respected our system. Trump doesn’t.

The president can use his executive privilege and refuse to be subpoenaed. Those are the facts. Cry all you want. At this point, what difference does it make?

Any privilege is not absolute. Once again if you were actually listening to Schiff and not Fox News, Schiff addressed the issue.

But he is wrong, and that is why he will fail.

 

[ChrisL]

Elections have consequences. Lol.

 

[JLW]

Impeachment is of a different nature. It is political. As Judge Sirica wrote we are dealing with issues going to the foundation of the Repiblic. The courts should not interfere. The executive branch has to comply.

Bullshit. The courts are always the proper place to settle disputes between the President and Congress. The Democrats hijacked the House, trashed the Constitution, worked tirelessly to undermine US policies at home and abroad and sought to prevent the implementation of programs that would have benefited all Americans in order to advance their own political ambitions.

Trashing the constitution is not treating Congress as a co-equal branch of government.

Is that why the Supreme Court had to slap down Obumma 13 times for violating the Constitution and exceeding his presidential powers?

Wouldn't Abuse of Power be exceeding them? Yet, number of times SCOTUS has censured Trump?

ZERO.

Republicans controlled the House and they could have started impeachment proceedings against Obama and did not.

And? Point being?

An ass kisser is someone who constantly prostrates themselves to another. Like you do for Trump.

Was Bill Clinton NOT GUILTY OF COMMITTING perjury to a grand jury?

And Clinton told his staff to comply and cooperate with Congress. Clinton and Even Nixon, respected our system. Trump doesn’t.

The president can use his executive privilege and refuse to be subpoenaed. Those are the facts. Cry all you want. At this point, what difference does it make?

Any privilege is not absolute. Once again if you were actually listening to Schiff and not Fox News, Schiff addressed the issue.

He can claim executive privilege over his documents as well.

Impeachment is of a different nature. It is political. As Judge Sirica wrote we are dealing with issues going to the foundation of the Repiblic. The courts should not interfere. The executive branch has to comply.

Bullshit. The courts are always the proper place to settle disputes between the President and Congress. The Democrats hijacked the House, trashed the Constitution, worked tirelessly to undermine US policies at home and abroad and sought to prevent the implementation of programs that would have benefited all Americans in order to advance their own political ambitions.

Trashing the constitution is not treating Congress as a co-equal branch of government.

Is that why the Supreme Court had to slap down Obumma 13 times for violating the Constitution and exceeding his presidential powers?

Wouldn't Abuse of Power be exceeding them? Yet, number of times SCOTUS has censured Trump?

ZERO.

Republicans controlled the House and they could have started impeachment proceedings against Obama and did not.

And? Point being?

An ass kisser is someone who constantly prostrates themselves to another. Like you do for Trump.

Was Bill Clinton NOT GUILTY OF COMMITTING perjury to a grand jury?

And Clinton told his staff to comply and cooperate with Congress. Clinton and Even Nixon, respected our system. Trump doesn’t.

The president can use his executive privilege and refuse to be subpoenaed. Those are the facts. Cry all you want. At this point, what difference does it make?

Any privilege is not absolute. Once again if you were actually listening to Schiff and not Fox News, Schiff addressed the issue.

He can claim executive privilege over his documents as well.

If you claim executive privilege for documents , you have to produce those documents. Those documents can have redactions. Then you fight the redactions in court. That is why Trump made no claim of privilege in the House, I believe. That is my understanding based on listening to Schiff though I could have misheard him.

 

[JLW]

An ass kisser is someone who constantly prostrates themselves to another. Like you do for Trump.

Was Bill Clinton NOT GUILTY OF COMMITTING perjury to a grand jury?

And Clinton told his staff to comply and cooperate with Congress. Clinton and Even Nixon, respected our system. Trump doesn’t.

The president can use his executive privilege and refuse to be subpoenaed. Those are the facts. Cry all you want. At this point, what difference does it make?

Any privilege is not absolute. Once again if you were actually listening to Schiff and not Fox News, Schiff addressed the issue.

But he is wrong, and that is why he will fail.

Schiff will fail not because of his arguments, which are correct, but because he doesn’t have the votes.

 

[ChrisL]

Bullshit. The courts are always the proper place to settle disputes between the President and Congress. The Democrats hijacked the House, trashed the Constitution, worked tirelessly to undermine US policies at home and abroad and sought to prevent the implementation of programs that would have benefited all Americans in order to advance their own political ambitions.

Trashing the constitution is not treating Congress as a co-equal branch of government.

Is that why the Supreme Court had to slap down Obumma 13 times for violating the Constitution and exceeding his presidential powers?

Wouldn't Abuse of Power be exceeding them? Yet, number of times SCOTUS has censured Trump?

ZERO.

Republicans controlled the House and they could have started impeachment proceedings against Obama and did not.

And? Point being?

Was Bill Clinton NOT GUILTY OF COMMITTING perjury to a grand jury?

And Clinton told his staff to comply and cooperate with Congress. Clinton and Even Nixon, respected our system. Trump doesn’t.

The president can use his executive privilege and refuse to be subpoenaed. Those are the facts. Cry all you want. At this point, what difference does it make?

Any privilege is not absolute. Once again if you were actually listening to Schiff and not Fox News, Schiff addressed the issue.

He can claim executive privilege over his documents as well.

Bullshit. The courts are always the proper place to settle disputes between the President and Congress. The Democrats hijacked the House, trashed the Constitution, worked tirelessly to undermine US policies at home and abroad and sought to prevent the implementation of programs that would have benefited all Americans in order to advance their own political ambitions.

Trashing the constitution is not treating Congress as a co-equal branch of government.

Is that why the Supreme Court had to slap down Obumma 13 times for violating the Constitution and exceeding his presidential powers?

Wouldn't Abuse of Power be exceeding them? Yet, number of times SCOTUS has censured Trump?

ZERO.

Republicans controlled the House and they could have started impeachment proceedings against Obama and did not.

And? Point being?

Was Bill Clinton NOT GUILTY OF COMMITTING perjury to a grand jury?

And Clinton told his staff to comply and cooperate with Congress. Clinton and Even Nixon, respected our system. Trump doesn’t.

The president can use his executive privilege and refuse to be subpoenaed. Those are the facts. Cry all you want. At this point, what difference does it make?

Any privilege is not absolute. Once again if you were actually listening to Schiff and not Fox News, Schiff addressed the issue.

He can claim executive privilege over his documents as well.

If you claim executive privilege for documents , you have to produce those documents. Those documents can have redactions. Then you fight the redactions in court. That is why Trump made no claim of privilege in the House, I believe.

Executive privilege is the constitutional principle that permits the president and high-level executive branch officers to withhold information from Congress, the courts, and ultimately the public.

 

[JLW]

Clinton was impeached for committing perjury, and for obstructing justice. And he should be very thankful that federal district judge in Arkansas, Little Rock, Arkansas, Susan Webber Wright didn’t hold him in contempt until after the impeachment trial in the senate was over – her big mistake, in my view – but she did that because she said she didn’t want it to influence the impeachment trial. When, in fact, she should have just have done it in a timely manner and allow the senate to make its own decision.

If you feel that way about Clinton, what is the difference with Trump.

I will say that I was totally disgusted with Clinton by the time he left office. In retrospect it may have been better if he had been impeached and Gore was elevated to the presidency.

Trump didn’t break any law.

A President would not be breaking the law if he declassified the nuclear codes and put them in the New York Times or gave them to our enemies, but you would agree that action would be impeachable?

 

[JLW]

Trashing the constitution is not treating Congress as a co-equal branch of government.

Is that why the Supreme Court had to slap down Obumma 13 times for violating the Constitution and exceeding his presidential powers?

Wouldn't Abuse of Power be exceeding them? Yet, number of times SCOTUS has censured Trump?

ZERO.

Republicans controlled the House and they could have started impeachment proceedings against Obama and did not.

And? Point being?

And Clinton told his staff to comply and cooperate with Congress. Clinton and Even Nixon, respected our system. Trump doesn’t.

The president can use his executive privilege and refuse to be subpoenaed. Those are the facts. Cry all you want. At this point, what difference does it make?

Any privilege is not absolute. Once again if you were actually listening to Schiff and not Fox News, Schiff addressed the issue.

He can claim executive privilege over his documents as well.

Trashing the constitution is not treating Congress as a co-equal branch of government.

Is that why the Supreme Court had to slap down Obumma 13 times for violating the Constitution and exceeding his presidential powers?

Wouldn't Abuse of Power be exceeding them? Yet, number of times SCOTUS has censured Trump?

ZERO.

Republicans controlled the House and they could have started impeachment proceedings against Obama and did not.

And? Point being?

And Clinton told his staff to comply and cooperate with Congress. Clinton and Even Nixon, respected our system. Trump doesn’t.

The president can use his executive privilege and refuse to be subpoenaed. Those are the facts. Cry all you want. At this point, what difference does it make?

Any privilege is not absolute. Once again if you were actually listening to Schiff and not Fox News, Schiff addressed the issue.

He can claim executive privilege over his documents as well.

If you claim executive privilege for documents , you have to produce those documents. Those documents can have redactions. Then you fight the redactions in court. That is why Trump made no claim of privilege in the House, I believe.

Executive privilege is the constitutional principle that permits the president and high-level executive branch officers to withhold information from Congress, the courts, and ultimately the public.

‘It is not unlimited as you are implying.