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Can anyone explain why the Senate is not voting on this right now?
Tomorrow is the 17th. So much for them saying the sky will fall if this isn't passed by that date.
What are they waiting for?
Nobody is getting what they want. Why tell such a stupid lie? Do you think because you said it, people will believe you? And are you really happy about cardiac pacemakers, insulin pumps and the like getting additionally taxed? Who does that help?
What a partisan hack.
I'm having a very hard time seeing how this could've went much better for the democrats given the circumstances. Maybe reform the Sequester cuts...but meh, if that's the sacrifice for the democrats then it's good enough for me.
I am not fully on the Dem sides in this and I can tell that the Republicans got their ass handed to them.
Maybe Boehner should have placed the CR up for a vote back in September. That way this would not be a large a victory for the Dems as it look.
This turned out very good for the Dems--what did they actually lose? The implementation of an anti-fraud program(that was going to be implemented later?). The removal of a device tax(which actually helps medical institutions?)
Really--what did the Dems lose? Also, remember--this started with the goal of defunding ObamaCare! Looks like to me that the Republicans threw more money into it!
That's why the GOP is down to 28 points in approval ratings. Because all they do is whine and complain and predict doom and gloom for America. Look at your own topics that you faux conservatives start on this forum. Whine, whine, whine.
In that respect, you are no different from the hippies and pantywaists on the Left who Ronald Reagan knocked out of the ballpark.
Stop whining. Stop bitching. Start topics with solutions instead of attacks.
Idiots.
Nobody is getting what they want. Why tell such a stupid lie? Do you think because you said it, people will believe you? And are you really happy about cardiac pacemakers, insulin pumps and the like getting additionally taxed? Who does that help?
What a partisan hack.
I'm having a very hard time seeing how this could've went much better for the democrats given the circumstances. Maybe reform the Sequester cuts...but meh, if that's the sacrifice for the democrats then it's good enough for me.
Let's play the partisan hack game, okay?
Obama gets no one year debt extension. = lose
Obama gets no "clean" CR. = lose
The sequester cuts stay in effect. = lose
The income verification issue gets strengthened. = lose
Forces to Dems to negotiate = lose
Now, I'll play fair, because unlike you, I am not a partisan hack. Neither side got what they wanted. The standoff has hurt everyone. The abortion that is Obamacare still lives. Both sides lost. Anyone who says different is a fool.
Can anyone explain why the Senate is not voting on this right now?
Tomorrow is the 17th. So much for them saying the sky will fall if this isn't passed by that date.
What are they waiting for?
It already passed the Senate, it should be voted on in the House any moment now
I'm having a very hard time seeing how this could've went much better for the democrats given the circumstances. Maybe reform the Sequester cuts...but meh, if that's the sacrifice for the democrats then it's good enough for me.
Let's play the partisan hack game, okay?
Obama gets no one year debt extension. = lose
Obama gets no "clean" CR. = lose
The sequester cuts stay in effect. = lose
The income verification issue gets strengthened. = lose
Forces to Dems to negotiate = lose
Now, I'll play fair, because unlike you, I am not a partisan hack. Neither side got what they wanted. The standoff has hurt everyone. The abortion that is Obamacare still lives. Both sides lost. Anyone who says different is a fool.
The CR isn't "clean" because it has the Sequester cuts, so you're counting that twice.
Income Verification isn't even a defeat for the Dems...they didn't completely oppose it.
Forces dems to negotiate? Ummm, no, the House is taking the Senate's bill down their throat.
So the only two things you have are the Sequester and it only being a temporary debt ceiling raise...but the temp raise can work out to the democrats favor if they play it right.
On the brink of a national default, the leaders of the Senate struck a deal Wednesday to reopen the federal government and extend its power to borrow money. The House appeared ready to go along — and end, at least for now, the crisis in Washington.
Sen. Harry Reid, the Democratic leader, said on the Senate floor at midday that his party and Republicans had found their way to a compromise to “provide our economy with the stability it desperately needs” and avert financial disaster.
His Republican counterpart, Sen. Mitch McConnell, offered his blessing: “This is far less than many of us had hoped for, frankly, but is far better than what some had sought.”
The compromise would fund the federal government through Jan. 15 and extend the borrowing power, known as the debt ceiling, through Feb. 7. It also calls for an agreement by mid-December on a long-term budget plan.
While it raises the specter of further fights to come, the compromise at least puts an end a government shutdown that has dragged on for 16 days, leaving hundreds of thousands of workers without pay and doubtless hurting the delicate U.S. economy.
Nobody is getting what they want. Why tell such a stupid lie? Do you think because you said it, people will believe you? And are you really happy about cardiac pacemakers, insulin pumps and the like getting additionally taxed? Who does that help?
What a partisan hack.
I'm having a very hard time seeing how this could've went much better for the democrats given the circumstances. Maybe reform the Sequester cuts...but meh, if that's the sacrifice for the democrats then it's good enough for me.
Let's play the partisan hack game, okay?
Obama gets no one year debt extension. = lose
Obama gets no "clean" CR. = lose
The sequester cuts stay in effect. = lose
The income verification issue gets strengthened. = lose
Forces to Dems to negotiate = lose
Now, I'll play fair, because unlike you, I am not a partisan hack. Neither side got what they wanted. The standoff has hurt everyone. The abortion that is Obamacare still lives. Both sides lost. Anyone who says different is a fool.
So--in other words--the Republicans only forced the government to shut down over minor issues? They were never serious about defunding Obamacare?
If that was the case, why not just come out and say so--that would be a politically winning argument for them. Scaring us like that was not called for. Also, I don't think the government had to shutdown if you start talking about this a month earlier, most of the public would have been behind you now!!
No--No--you are trying to find a silverlining in an overt political ass whooping. The Tea Party were not able to accomplish their goals because there are too many moderates in the GOP who would rather cave than risk throwing the nation into an economic abyss. These so called "concessions" are face saving devices to help the moderates keep their seats in the next election cycle. Too bad that the Tea Party are now aiming at their seats in the primary, thus the moderates lost twice!
I guess it sucks to be a moderate in the Republican party these days--can't win, and can't win for losing!
Respect. They lost a lot of respect.
I'm having a very hard time seeing how this could've went much better for the democrats given the circumstances. Maybe reform the Sequester cuts...but meh, if that's the sacrifice for the democrats then it's good enough for me.
Let's play the partisan hack game, okay?
Obama gets no one year debt extension. = lose
Obama gets no "clean" CR. = lose
The sequester cuts stay in effect. = lose
The income verification issue gets strengthened. = lose
Forces to Dems to negotiate = lose
Now, I'll play fair, because unlike you, I am not a partisan hack. Neither side got what they wanted. The standoff has hurt everyone. The abortion that is Obamacare still lives. Both sides lost. Anyone who says different is a fool.
So--in other words--the Republicans only forced the government to shut down over minor issues? They were never serious about defunding Obamacare?
If that was the case, why not just come out and say so--that would be a politically winning argument for them. Scaring us like that was not called for. Also, I don't think the government had to shutdown if you start talking about this a month earlier, most of the public would have been behind you now!!
No--No--you are trying to find a silverlining in an overt political ass whooping. The Tea Party were not able to accomplish their goals because there are too many moderates in the GOP who would rather cave than risk throwing the nation into an economic abyss. These so called "concessions" are face saving devices to help the moderates keep their seats in the next election cycle. Too bad that the Tea Party are now aiming at their seats in the primary, thus the moderates lost twice!
I guess it sucks to be a moderate in the Republican party these days--can't win, and can't win for losing!
Respect. They lost a lot of respect.
Nowhere near as much respect as the GOP lost. The GOP lost much bigger. Democratic Party approval stands at 43 percent. GOP approval stands at 28 percent.
Twice as many Republicans think the GOP has gone crazy as Democrats who feel that way about the Democratic Party.
Want to go into the mid terms with those numbers?
Didn't think so.
Just keep bitching and not getting the better alternatives out there. That strategy is working so well!
Can anyone explain why the Senate is not voting on this right now?
Tomorrow is the 17th. So much for them saying the sky will fall if this isn't passed by that date.
What are they waiting for?
It already passed the Senate, it should be voted on in the House any moment now
No they haven't.
One Senator tweeted that they may vote on it this evening.
Respect. They lost a lot of respect.
Nowhere near as much respect as the GOP lost. The GOP lost much bigger. Democratic Party approval stands at 43 percent. GOP approval stands at 28 percent.
Twice as many Republicans think the GOP has gone crazy as Democrats who feel that way about the Democratic Party.
Want to go into the mid terms with those numbers?
Didn't think so.
Just keep bitching and not getting the better alternatives out there. That strategy is working so well!
Even honest Republicans are turning on their party and saying....What the fuck are you guys doing?
Shutting down the Government in a hopeless attempt to defund Obamacare was idiotic. The damage done to honest hardworking Americans is inexcusable
It already passed the Senate, it should be voted on in the House any moment now
No they haven't.
One Senator tweeted that they may vote on it this evening.
yes they have...The house is scheduled to vote on it at 3pm
Nowhere near as much respect as the GOP lost. The GOP lost much bigger. Democratic Party approval stands at 43 percent. GOP approval stands at 28 percent.
Twice as many Republicans think the GOP has gone crazy as Democrats who feel that way about the Democratic Party.
Want to go into the mid terms with those numbers?
Didn't think so.
Just keep bitching and not getting the better alternatives out there. That strategy is working so well!
Even honest Republicans are turning on their party and saying....What the fuck are you guys doing?
Shutting down the Government in a hopeless attempt to defund Obamacare was idiotic. The damage done to honest hardworking Americans is inexcusable
How about you talk for your own party and kindly not speak for mine?
Even honest Republicans are turning on their party and saying....What the fuck are you guys doing?
Shutting down the Government in a hopeless attempt to defund Obamacare was idiotic. The damage done to honest hardworking Americans is inexcusable
How about you talk for your own party and kindly not speak for mine?
Honestly
Do you support what the Republicans have done over the last month? Do you think it was worth it?
Nowhere near as much respect as the GOP lost. The GOP lost much bigger. Democratic Party approval stands at 43 percent. GOP approval stands at 28 percent.
Twice as many Republicans think the GOP has gone crazy as Democrats who feel that way about the Democratic Party.
Want to go into the mid terms with those numbers?
Didn't think so.
Just keep bitching and not getting the better alternatives out there. That strategy is working so well!
Even honest Republicans are turning on their party and saying....What the fuck are you guys doing?
Shutting down the Government in a hopeless attempt to defund Obamacare was idiotic. The damage done to honest hardworking Americans is inexcusable
How about you talk for your own party and kindly not speak for mine?
How about you talk for your own party and kindly not speak for mine?
Honestly
Do you support what the Republicans have done over the last month? Do you think it was worth it?
If it results in eventual fiscal sanity coupled with a review of Obamacare sometime in the future, then yes.
Plus it got out in the open how miserable the Obama adminsitration can be, vis a vis, Shutdown Theatre.