September 11, 2001

[Slash]

Nope, I never defended any stance. Please show where I defended a stance.

I SAID:

I do not believe government reports, the government, and that there are a lot of questions unanswered.

Again, I haven't taken a stance, nor have I defended a stance. I stated that things do not add up. Examples: Eyewitness accounts, video, the opinions of structural engineers, the debris field, photos, scientific analysis by independent labs and organizations, etc.. This has been going on for almost 16 years now. And, many questions remain unanswered.

That is NOT taking a stance. That is NOT defending anything. It is merely stating that I do not believe our government, nor do I believe all government issued information.

When you quoted my specific questions relating to proof that it was a plane that hit and responded. It's right up there pusts 93 and 94.

But it appears you are just trolling.

See that's the issue with the conspiracy theory. 257 people can say they saw a plane. 2 can say that they think it was a missile, and the conspiracy nuts will say that's proof it wasn't a plane. People will go to the most outlandish claims, they will use claims with flat out lies involved. They will take claims out of context INTENTIONALLY so they sound different to prove their points. They will in the same sentence assume the most grand masterminded plan in human history, but try and show the most basic flaws missed that a 12 year olds plan would have thought of. And the conspiracy nuts attach to every one of these things. I've seen guys defend two opposing conspiracies right here on 9/11. A guy was saying the engines weren't found but also that a boeing engineer said that the plane wasn't the right type of plane (BASED ON PICTURES OF THE ENGINE).

Not many questions remain unanswered. I mean sure you can scour the internet and theres Thousands of unanswered questions about how the earth really isn't round. But not many real questions unanswered on that. What do you even believe happened?

 

[Sonny Clark]

Nope, I never defended any stance. Please show where I defended a stance.

I SAID:

I do not believe government reports, the government, and that there are a lot of questions unanswered.

Again, I haven't taken a stance, nor have I defended a stance. I stated that things do not add up. Examples: Eyewitness accounts, video, the opinions of structural engineers, the debris field, photos, scientific analysis by independent labs and organizations, etc.. This has been going on for almost 16 years now. And, many questions remain unanswered.

That is NOT taking a stance. That is NOT defending anything. It is merely stating that I do not believe our government, nor do I believe all government issued information.

When you quoted my specific questions relating to proof that it was a plane that hit and responded. It's right up there pusts 93 and 94.

But it appears you are just trolling.

See that's the issue with the conspiracy theory. 257 people can say they saw a plane. 2 can say that they think it was a missile, and the conspiracy nuts will say that's proof it wasn't a plane. People will go to the most outlandish claims, they will use claims with flat out lies involved. They will take claims out of context INTENTIONALLY so they sound different to prove their points. They will in the same sentence assume the most grand masterminded plan in human history, but try and show the most basic flaws missed that a 12 year olds plan would have thought of. And the conspiracy nuts attach to every one of these things. I've seen guys defend two opposing conspiracies right here on 9/11. A guy was saying the engines weren't found but also that a boeing engineer said that the plane wasn't the right type of plane (BASED ON PICTURES OF THE ENGINE).

Not many questions remain unanswered. I mean sure you can scour the internet and theres Thousands of unanswered questions about how the earth really isn't round. But not many real questions unanswered on that. What do you even believe happened?

I didn't take a stance. I pointed out that there's still a ton of unanswered questions related to 9/11. I believe that we may never know the truth behind it all. I believe that there's scientific evidence that contradicts government reports. I believe that all structural engineers can't be wrong. I believe that all eyewitnesses can't be wrong. I believe that there's still questions unanswered about certain photos and videos. I believe that there're legitimate concerns as to the integrity of government reports. I don't believe that it's as cut-and-dry as the government would like for us to believe. I believe there are more uncertainties than there are absolutes concerning the events of 9/11.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Oh so you are using memes because you are intellectually weak enough to think that they make a valid argument or raise a legitimate question.

Well gee since that is what you understand tell me where is the Airbus A320 jer which crashed in France? See if you can find it in this picture?

https://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cn...02560940-germanwings.530x298.jpg?v=1428203860

Then explain why one cannot find the B200 super king aircraft which crashed into a Melbourne Australia mall in this picture?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/8396632-3x2-940x627.jpg

Then point out where the B25 Mitchell is in these pictures.

http://avstop.com/news/em.htm2.jpg

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polop...s/gallery_1200/empire-state-building-1945.jpg

http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/328309/slide_328309_3188122_free.jpg

Since you are unable to see any aircraft in any of these images it is conclusive that NOT seeing a 757 in the wreckage of the Pentagon is irrelevant because aircraft are often destroyed beyond any recognition when they crash.

FYI - I have made no argument. Intellectually weak ????????????????? Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez.

Obviously, you're reading more into my post than is actually there. You assume way too much.

You thought you did but you failed

Ha HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA


IN your dreams. Failed at what? I presented nothing except food for thought, period. You're the one that attached some fictitious meaning to what I posted. You put your own spin to what I posted. You're reading more into it than what is actually there, and what was actually intended.

You're the one that failed, not me. I presented food for thought, you put the meaning to it, not me.

Sonny, you know the score.....the trolls are going to keep showing their asses and lamely attempt to put lipstick on this pig of an event because they are either disinformation trolls or they can't bear to believe that their beloved "gubermint" would stoop to such disgusting levels even though we know that this was a rather tame false flag as opposed to the others going all the way back to the "Remember The Maine" credo for the Spanish/American War that also turned out to be a false flag. There hasn't been a single war since that hasn't had one.

exactly.all these paid shills are going to keep coming on here saying its been debunked blah blah blah blah blah and changing the subject not addressing the evidence as they have in this whole thread because that is what they are paid to do by their handlers is LIE.

thats how you can spot these shills over someone who was just brainwashed as you were and peach is because you notice how peach cam on and posted once and just left.thats someone not paid,she is a just a sheep in denial since she doesnt come back and post lie after lie when when she is cornered.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Like I said, I saw it live on TV the planes,& the flights, the families of those in the flights all real, And I was worried it would collapse, from the instinctive reasoning of what impact and fire spread I saw.
Saudis would make a fuss if it weren't real as they were tarnished by the perps being from there.
If someone saw evidence of tampering with the building to bring it down the first conclusion would be the same perp group did it to assure full destruction, but that was never made an issue, meaning they didn't see such evidence.

People are not saying that people didn't die on 9/11/01. What people are saying is that this was allowed to happen. Three high rise buildings collapsed in their own footprint but only two planes were involved? Those that believe that a conspiracy this big would take too many people to pull this off and eventually someone would tell. I disagree, an operation like this would be highly compartmentalized just like the JFK assassination but of course decades later people now know that it was indeed a conspiracy and that Oswald was a patsy. People involved sign NDAs and or they are loyal to those above them and they know that they will be under surveillance for the rest of their lives. I don't want to believe that this was allowed to happen but after really looking at facts that were so blatantly in my face? I can't pretend anymore and I won't. LA RAM FAN is a dogged researcher even more so than I am so I just have to laugh at the naysayers and trolls that go right for the personal insults instead of intelligently discussing the issue. I am past of the point of giving a fuck on what people think of what I have learned. It changes nothing anyway.

Yeah apparently the 9/11 apologist is clueless about bld 7 the crux of the 9/11 coverup commission that all the shills that have trolled this thread that he needs to stop listening to have always ended up with shit on their faces each time its brought up.

He was talking about the twin towers collapsing due to the fires allegedly with the alleged belief the steel frames were only like 10 feet thick or whatever yet like nobody ever can, he cant explain bld 7 which did NOT get hit by an airliner notice that?


and even if bld 7 did not collapsed he has ignored what witnesses in the towers reported of explosions in the basement before the plane struck above,notice that also?


and you just debunked it so well with the example of the JFK assassination and how with operation northwoods,hundreds of people can be involved and keep a secret because if they say otherwise,they know they will be killed off. Like you said so well,we now know through hard evidence though the years there was multiple shooters with hundreds of people involved with a few that have just NOW come forward in years recently confessing their involvement because NOW they know they are going to be dead soon so they are spilling the beans about it.

they had to stay quiet all these years because had they not,as we know they would have been killed off. so for the people with the ramblings it would take hundreds of them involved and they could not keep a secret,enough of that garbage already,that is an old and a tiresome lame excuse that does not fly.

the people who have that wild claim obviously do not know about that word you mentioned compartmentalization. excellent jof of taking him to school there by the way with my help of course.

The thing about the naysayers is that they will refuse to focus on the numerous anomalies and claim that they are simply coincidences regardless of how blatantly obvious that it shouldn't pass the sniff test of anyone with the ability to critically think. Building Seven alone should be the smoking gun for any doubter. I never read anything about Building Seven in the papers or on the MSM websites. It was basically an afterthought in the 9/11 hearings. People that will not take the time to view something objectively will remain in the dark. I know because I was one of them. It certainly is ironic that I am now in the camp of those I demonized and marginalized for 11 plus years. I am grateful for those like you that refused to be shouted down. We owe a huge debt of gratitude to those like you that had the brass ones.

and they can only sling shit in defeat like the monkey trolls they are over this posts of yours.lol

 

[Slash]

I didn't take a stance. I pointed out that there's still a ton of unanswered questions related to 9/11. I believe that we may never know the truth behind it all. I believe that there's scientific evidence that contradicts government reports. I believe that all structural engineers can't be wrong. I believe that all eyewitnesses can't be wrong. I believe that there's still questions unanswered about certain photos and videos. I believe that there're legitimate concerns as to the integrity of government reports. I don't believe that it's as cut-and-dry as the government would like for us to believe. I believe there are more uncertainties than there are absolutes concerning the events of 9/11.

So you aren't taking any sort of a stance. I mean you will back up the memes put out by the deniers taking a stance, but not actually support that belief that you post. Got it.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Tight security. The reports were generated by the government. Government inspectors filed the reports. It was all handled by the government. The government is not honest. The government has been know to deceive the public. The government controls information. The Pentagon is a military/government building. How many independent news personnel were on site taking notes and photos? How many members of the MSM were allowed inside, and on site, immediately following the crash? Have you seen pictures of the jet engines? Have you seen the piles of jet plane debris? Can you personally verify the information released to the public? Or, are you satisfied with the results published by the government? Do you honestly believe that our government operates with integrity, and is honest with the public concerning all matters?

What information do you have other than the information released by the government?

Tight security??? Civilians and plenty of other people were evacuating within a minute of that attack and NO ONE saw these large vans dropping off plane and people parts around the scene. NO ONE saw them putting plane parts inside the fire. Media was on the lawn snapping pictures in 20 minutes. Civilian firefighters were on site in that time. Thousands of people were part of that from all sorts of different jobs. Non-military police were called in to the site. Civilian engineers and scientists were on site. I mean thousands of people here. Civilians at the pentagon talking about it. People there who's friends were killed saying with firsthand views it was a plane.

How do you keep that quiet? How did you plant all that evidence for the media within 20 minutes of the missile attack? How did you disappear the plane and people on it and within an hour make it pass as plane wreckage at a missile attack site? How do you keep these thousands of people all quiet? Government inspectors filed the reports? Have you seen the leaks from government workers? How do you keep these ones all perfectly quiet? I'm sure some have been fired and lost everything. Some have no families to worry about. Some have been on their deathbed. And NOT ONE WORD.


I'm not saying our government is honest. But come on. How gullible do you have to believe this?

How stupid do you have to be in order to believe and/or trust the government? Especially government issued reports?

the sockpuppet shills logic is because the government said it happened this way,that makes it true that it did happen that way.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

I have never said that I didn't believe that it was a plane.
I'm not defending anything, and haven't defended anything.
I have presented no stance.

You assume way too much.

Then why when I said I thought it was a plane and asked you how else they would have pulled it off did you defend the position against mine that it was a plane with a stance based on tight security?

Nope, I never defended any stance. Please show where I defended a stance.

I SAID:

I do not believe government reports, the government, and that there are a lot of questions unanswered.

Again, I haven't taken a stance, nor have I defended a stance. I stated that things do not add up. Examples: Eyewitness accounts, video, the opinions of structural engineers, the debris field, photos, scientific analysis by independent labs and organizations, etc.. This has been going on for almost 16 years now. And, many questions remain unanswered.

That is NOT taking a stance. That is NOT defending anything. It is merely stating that I do not believe our government, nor do I believe all government issued information.

he is going to have to check with his handler on what to post before he gets back to you on that.

 

[Slash]

exactly.all these paid shills are going to keep coming on here saying its been debunked blah blah blah blah blah and changing the subject not addressing the evidence as they have in this whole thread because that is what they are paid to do by their handlers is LIE.

Paid shills now huh? So we've got money trails and paper trails and tens of thousands more tied to this conspiracy now. And yet it's PERFECTLY quiet.

Again, explain how the logistics were pulled off? Best I've gotten so far is Spider Man.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Tight security. The reports were generated by the government. Government inspectors filed the reports. It was all handled by the government. The government is not honest. The government has been know to deceive the public. The government controls information. The Pentagon is a military/government building. How many independent news personnel were on site taking notes and photos? How many members of the MSM were allowed inside, and on site, immediately following the crash? Have you seen pictures of the jet engines? Have you seen the piles of jet plane debris? Can you personally verify the information released to the public? Or, are you satisfied with the results published by the government? Do you honestly believe that our government operates with integrity, and is honest with the public concerning all matters?

What information do you have other than the information released by the government?

Tight security??? Civilians and plenty of other people were evacuating within a minute of that attack and NO ONE saw these large vans dropping off plane and people parts around the scene. NO ONE saw them putting plane parts inside the fire. Media was on the lawn snapping pictures in 20 minutes. Civilian firefighters were on site in that time. Thousands of people were part of that from all sorts of different jobs. Non-military police were called in to the site. Civilian engineers and scientists were on site. I mean thousands of people here. Civilians at the pentagon talking about it. People there who's friends were killed saying with firsthand views it was a plane.

How do you keep that quiet? How did you plant all that evidence for the media within 20 minutes of the missile attack? How did you disappear the plane and people on it and within an hour make it pass as plane wreckage at a missile attack site? How do you keep these thousands of people all quiet? Government inspectors filed the reports? Have you seen the leaks from government workers? How do you keep these ones all perfectly quiet? I'm sure some have been fired and lost everything. Some have no families to worry about. Some have been on their deathbed. And NOT ONE WORD.


I'm not saying our government is honest. But come on. How gullible do you have to believe this?

How stupid do you have to be in order to believe and/or trust the government? Especially government issued reports?

The government lies.....therefore a cruise missile hit the Pentagon.......is that how it works?

 

[Sonny Clark]

Tight security. The reports were generated by the government. Government inspectors filed the reports. It was all handled by the government. The government is not honest. The government has been know to deceive the public. The government controls information. The Pentagon is a military/government building. How many independent news personnel were on site taking notes and photos? How many members of the MSM were allowed inside, and on site, immediately following the crash? Have you seen pictures of the jet engines? Have you seen the piles of jet plane debris? Can you personally verify the information released to the public? Or, are you satisfied with the results published by the government? Do you honestly believe that our government operates with integrity, and is honest with the public concerning all matters?

What information do you have other than the information released by the government?

Tight security??? Civilians and plenty of other people were evacuating within a minute of that attack and NO ONE saw these large vans dropping off plane and people parts around the scene. NO ONE saw them putting plane parts inside the fire. Media was on the lawn snapping pictures in 20 minutes. Civilian firefighters were on site in that time. Thousands of people were part of that from all sorts of different jobs. Non-military police were called in to the site. Civilian engineers and scientists were on site. I mean thousands of people here. Civilians at the pentagon talking about it. People there who's friends were killed saying with firsthand views it was a plane.

How do you keep that quiet? How did you plant all that evidence for the media within 20 minutes of the missile attack? How did you disappear the plane and people on it and within an hour make it pass as plane wreckage at a missile attack site? How do you keep these thousands of people all quiet? Government inspectors filed the reports? Have you seen the leaks from government workers? How do you keep these ones all perfectly quiet? I'm sure some have been fired and lost everything. Some have no families to worry about. Some have been on their deathbed. And NOT ONE WORD.


I'm not saying our government is honest. But come on. How gullible do you have to believe this?

How stupid do you have to be in order to believe and/or trust the government? Especially government issued reports?

The government lies.....therefore a cruise missile hit the Pentagon.......is that how it works?

Nope, it doesn't work that way at all. ......................................... ( that was a very weak try )

The government lies, therefore question everything the government says.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Tight security. The reports were generated by the government. Government inspectors filed the reports. It was all handled by the government. The government is not honest. The government has been know to deceive the public. The government controls information. The Pentagon is a military/government building. How many independent news personnel were on site taking notes and photos? How many members of the MSM were allowed inside, and on site, immediately following the crash? Have you seen pictures of the jet engines? Have you seen the piles of jet plane debris? Can you personally verify the information released to the public? Or, are you satisfied with the results published by the government? Do you honestly believe that our government operates with integrity, and is honest with the public concerning all matters?

What information do you have other than the information released by the government?

Tight security??? Civilians and plenty of other people were evacuating within a minute of that attack and NO ONE saw these large vans dropping off plane and people parts around the scene. NO ONE saw them putting plane parts inside the fire. Media was on the lawn snapping pictures in 20 minutes. Civilian firefighters were on site in that time. Thousands of people were part of that from all sorts of different jobs. Non-military police were called in to the site. Civilian engineers and scientists were on site. I mean thousands of people here. Civilians at the pentagon talking about it. People there who's friends were killed saying with firsthand views it was a plane.

How do you keep that quiet? How did you plant all that evidence for the media within 20 minutes of the missile attack? How did you disappear the plane and people on it and within an hour make it pass as plane wreckage at a missile attack site? How do you keep these thousands of people all quiet? Government inspectors filed the reports? Have you seen the leaks from government workers? How do you keep these ones all perfectly quiet? I'm sure some have been fired and lost everything. Some have no families to worry about. Some have been on their deathbed. And NOT ONE WORD.


I'm not saying our government is honest. But come on. How gullible do you have to believe this?

How stupid do you have to be in order to believe and/or trust the government? Especially government issued reports?

The government lies.....therefore a cruise missile hit the Pentagon.......is that how it works?

Nope, it doesn't work that way at all. ......................................... ( that was a very weak try )

The government lies, therefore question everything the government says.

So you're skeptical, not a 60 IQ moron like ram fan?

 

[Sonny Clark]

Tight security. The reports were generated by the government. Government inspectors filed the reports. It was all handled by the government. The government is not honest. The government has been know to deceive the public. The government controls information. The Pentagon is a military/government building. How many independent news personnel were on site taking notes and photos? How many members of the MSM were allowed inside, and on site, immediately following the crash? Have you seen pictures of the jet engines? Have you seen the piles of jet plane debris? Can you personally verify the information released to the public? Or, are you satisfied with the results published by the government? Do you honestly believe that our government operates with integrity, and is honest with the public concerning all matters?

What information do you have other than the information released by the government?

Tight security??? Civilians and plenty of other people were evacuating within a minute of that attack and NO ONE saw these large vans dropping off plane and people parts around the scene. NO ONE saw them putting plane parts inside the fire. Media was on the lawn snapping pictures in 20 minutes. Civilian firefighters were on site in that time. Thousands of people were part of that from all sorts of different jobs. Non-military police were called in to the site. Civilian engineers and scientists were on site. I mean thousands of people here. Civilians at the pentagon talking about it. People there who's friends were killed saying with firsthand views it was a plane.

How do you keep that quiet? How did you plant all that evidence for the media within 20 minutes of the missile attack? How did you disappear the plane and people on it and within an hour make it pass as plane wreckage at a missile attack site? How do you keep these thousands of people all quiet? Government inspectors filed the reports? Have you seen the leaks from government workers? How do you keep these ones all perfectly quiet? I'm sure some have been fired and lost everything. Some have no families to worry about. Some have been on their deathbed. And NOT ONE WORD.


I'm not saying our government is honest. But come on. How gullible do you have to believe this?

How stupid do you have to be in order to believe and/or trust the government? Especially government issued reports?

The government lies.....therefore a cruise missile hit the Pentagon.......is that how it works?

Nope, it doesn't work that way at all. ......................................... ( that was a very weak try )

The government lies, therefore question everything the government says.

So you're skeptical, not a 60 IQ moron like ram fan?

I'm saying that the government doesn't tell us everything. I'm saying that thousands of experts can't all be crazy and anti-government. I'm saying that when looking at the big picture concerning the events of 9/11, 2 + 2 doesn't = 4, as the government would like for us to believe.

Building 7
Two skyscapers imploding into their own footprint
Jet wings slicing through steel beams, including wing tips

Many unanswered questions.

 

[Tax Man]

Another view ( opinion, observation )

Possible?

The puffs of smoke are the result of air being compressed by the falling upper floor compressing the air in the rooms with smoke and debris flying out.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Tight security??? Civilians and plenty of other people were evacuating within a minute of that attack and NO ONE saw these large vans dropping off plane and people parts around the scene. NO ONE saw them putting plane parts inside the fire. Media was on the lawn snapping pictures in 20 minutes. Civilian firefighters were on site in that time. Thousands of people were part of that from all sorts of different jobs. Non-military police were called in to the site. Civilian engineers and scientists were on site. I mean thousands of people here. Civilians at the pentagon talking about it. People there who's friends were killed saying with firsthand views it was a plane.

How do you keep that quiet? How did you plant all that evidence for the media within 20 minutes of the missile attack? How did you disappear the plane and people on it and within an hour make it pass as plane wreckage at a missile attack site? How do you keep these thousands of people all quiet? Government inspectors filed the reports? Have you seen the leaks from government workers? How do you keep these ones all perfectly quiet? I'm sure some have been fired and lost everything. Some have no families to worry about. Some have been on their deathbed. And NOT ONE WORD.


I'm not saying our government is honest. But come on. How gullible do you have to believe this?

How stupid do you have to be in order to believe and/or trust the government? Especially government issued reports?

The government lies.....therefore a cruise missile hit the Pentagon.......is that how it works?

Nope, it doesn't work that way at all. ......................................... ( that was a very weak try )

The government lies, therefore question everything the government says.

So you're skeptical, not a 60 IQ moron like ram fan?

I'm saying that the government doesn't tell us everything. I'm saying that thousands of experts can't all be crazy and anti-government. I'm saying that when looking at the big picture concerning the events of 9/11, 2 + 2 doesn't = 4, as the government would like for us to believe.

Building 7
Two skyscapers imploding into their own footprint
Jet wings slicing through steel beams, including wing tips

Many unanswered questions.

I'm saying that the government doesn't tell us everything.

I agree, bastards!
That doesn't mean the jet I saw hit the second tower live on TV was a missile. Or a hologram.

I'm saying that thousands of experts can't all be crazy and anti-government.

No, but the morons who think thousands of tons of explosives were secretly wired to the buildings, in order to demolish them after terrorists crashed fully fueled jets into them are crazy. Or stupid. Or both.

Two skyscapers imploding into their own footprint

You'll have to post your definition of footprint.

Jet wings slicing through steel beams, including wing tips

I saw the slices happen in real time. Just how thick do you think the outer framework of the towers was?

 

[Slash]

I'm saying that the government doesn't tell us everything. I'm saying that thousands of experts can't all be crazy and anti-government. I'm saying that when looking at the big picture concerning the events of 9/11, 2 + 2 doesn't = 4, as the government would like for us to believe.

Building 7
Two skyscapers imploding into their own footprint
Jet wings slicing through steel beams, including wing tips

Many unanswered questions.

And the overwhelming number of civilian and government scientists and engineers that have studied this says it makes sense. That's the fantasy. That thousands of engineers say it's a scam. When it isn't that. It's a few plying to the fears and people seeing what they think they should see without knowledge of how it works. Your picture there is a prime example. People EXPECT to see the plane there. They are HUGE things. Granted they are hollow, and it pushed through to the inner ring and would be physically impossible for it to be where your mind thinks it should be at a glance. But that gives rise as "proof".

And none of them can even begin to explain the logistics of how to pull off what they claim. That's fine to have two dissenting opinions. It's fine that your side has only a very small minority buying into that explanation. But when your explanation isn't feasable in the real world, it's not a viable explanation anymore. That's the problem with the biggest conspiracy theories. You have to suspend reality to buy into that differing view. I haven't seen one on 9/11 that doesn't involve the suspending of reality in how to pull it off in one part or another. And I can't believe a conspiracy theory no matter how much evidence you have for one part of it, if the 2nd part is an impossibility.

And it doesn't pass the common sense test. Time and again I hear these explanations which make this so much more difficult to pull off. Like you have to believe the Government wanted to make this attack MORE difficult to pull off secretly by doing what they did. It defies basic logic.

 

[Sonny Clark]

How stupid do you have to be in order to believe and/or trust the government? Especially government issued reports?

The government lies.....therefore a cruise missile hit the Pentagon.......is that how it works?

Nope, it doesn't work that way at all. ......................................... ( that was a very weak try )

The government lies, therefore question everything the government says.

So you're skeptical, not a 60 IQ moron like ram fan?

I'm saying that the government doesn't tell us everything. I'm saying that thousands of experts can't all be crazy and anti-government. I'm saying that when looking at the big picture concerning the events of 9/11, 2 + 2 doesn't = 4, as the government would like for us to believe.

Building 7
Two skyscapers imploding into their own footprint
Jet wings slicing through steel beams, including wing tips

Many unanswered questions.

I'm saying that the government doesn't tell us everything.

I agree, bastards!
That doesn't mean the jet I saw hit the second tower live on TV was a missile. Or a hologram.

I'm saying that thousands of experts can't all be crazy and anti-government.

No, but the morons who think thousands of tons of explosives were secretly wired to the buildings, in order to demolish them after terrorists crashed fully fueled jets into them are crazy. Or stupid. Or both.

Two skyscapers imploding into their own footprint

You'll have to post your definition of footprint.

Jet wings slicing through steel beams, including wing tips

I saw the slices happen in real time. Just how thick do you think the outer framework of the towers was?

I mentioned nothing about "tons of explosives"

"Footprint" -------- basically the foundation of the structures. In other words, the buildings collapsed straight down, a vertical free-fall. Structural engineers have questioned the pattern and manner of collapse. Many questions.

Jet Wings: Analysis and experiments by well-known engineers have shown that it's unlikely that the wings, especially the wing tips, would've remained intact after hitting the building. A certain amount of "shearing" would've taken place regardless of speed and angle. Thus, wing debris should've been seen falling away from the building on contact. The possibility of the wings slicing through the steel beams, and remaining intact ( as the videos clearly show ) until clearing the beams, is impossible to explain. And, this doesn't include the vertical tail section that also sliced through the steel structure without shearing before complete entry.

Given analysis and experiments conducted by many experts, the general conclusion is that either something extraordinary happened, or that planes, commercial airliners, are super strong and made from indestructible aluminum and other light weight materials capable of doing extraordinary things.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The government lies.....therefore a cruise missile hit the Pentagon.......is that how it works?

Nope, it doesn't work that way at all. ......................................... ( that was a very weak try )

The government lies, therefore question everything the government says.

So you're skeptical, not a 60 IQ moron like ram fan?

I'm saying that the government doesn't tell us everything. I'm saying that thousands of experts can't all be crazy and anti-government. I'm saying that when looking at the big picture concerning the events of 9/11, 2 + 2 doesn't = 4, as the government would like for us to believe.

Building 7
Two skyscapers imploding into their own footprint
Jet wings slicing through steel beams, including wing tips

Many unanswered questions.

I'm saying that the government doesn't tell us everything.

I agree, bastards!
That doesn't mean the jet I saw hit the second tower live on TV was a missile. Or a hologram.

I'm saying that thousands of experts can't all be crazy and anti-government.

No, but the morons who think thousands of tons of explosives were secretly wired to the buildings, in order to demolish them after terrorists crashed fully fueled jets into them are crazy. Or stupid. Or both.

Two skyscapers imploding into their own footprint

You'll have to post your definition of footprint.

Jet wings slicing through steel beams, including wing tips

I saw the slices happen in real time. Just how thick do you think the outer framework of the towers was?

I mentioned nothing about "tons of explosives"

"Footprint" -------- basically the foundation of the structures. In other words, the buildings collapsed straight down, a vertical free-fall. Structural engineers have questioned the pattern and manner of collapse. Many questions.

Jet Wings: Analysis and experiments by well-known engineers have shown that it's unlikely that the wings, especially the wing tips, would've remained intact after hitting the building. A certain amount of "shearing" would've taken place regardless of speed and angle. Thus, wing debris should've been seen falling away from the building on contact. The possibility of the wings slicing through the steel beams, and remaining intact ( as the videos clearly show ) until clearing the beams, is impossible to explain. And, this doesn't include the vertical tail section that also sliced through the steel structure without shearing before complete entry.

Given analysis and experiments conducted by many experts, the general conclusion is that either something extraordinary happened, or that planes, commercial airliners, are super strong and made from indestructible aluminum and other light weight materials capable of doing extraordinary things.

"Footprint" -------- basically the foundation of the structures. In other words, the buildings collapsed straight down, a vertical free-fall.

Jet Wings: Analysis and experiments by well-known engineers have shown that it's unlikely that the wings, especially the wing tips, would've remained intact after hitting the building.

Who said they were intact after?

Thus, wing debris should've been seen falling away from the building on contact.

Why? They were going 500+mph.

The possibility of the wings slicing through the steel beams, and remaining intact ( as the videos clearly show ) until clearing the beams, is impossible to explain.

It's called inertia. The exterior steel structure near the top wasn't very thick.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Oh so you are using memes because you are intellectually weak enough to think that they make a valid argument or raise a legitimate question.

Well gee since that is what you understand tell me where is the Airbus A320 jer which crashed in France? See if you can find it in this picture?

https://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cn...02560940-germanwings.530x298.jpg?v=1428203860

Then explain why one cannot find the B200 super king aircraft which crashed into a Melbourne Australia mall in this picture?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/8396632-3x2-940x627.jpg

Then point out where the B25 Mitchell is in these pictures.

http://avstop.com/news/em.htm2.jpg

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polop...s/gallery_1200/empire-state-building-1945.jpg

http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/328309/slide_328309_3188122_free.jpg

Since you are unable to see any aircraft in any of these images it is conclusive that NOT seeing a 757 in the wreckage of the Pentagon is irrelevant because aircraft are often destroyed beyond any recognition when they crash.

FYI - I have made no argument. Intellectually weak ????????????????? Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez.

Obviously, you're reading more into my post than is actually there. You assume way too much.

You thought you did but you failed

Ha HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA


IN your dreams. Failed at what? I presented nothing except food for thought, period. You're the one that attached some fictitious meaning to what I posted. You put your own spin to what I posted. You're reading more into it than what is actually there, and what was actually intended.

You're the one that failed, not me. I presented food for thought, you put the meaning to it, not me.

Sonny, you know the score.....the trolls are going to keep showing their asses and lamely attempt to put lipstick on this pig of an event because they are either disinformation trolls or they can't bear to believe that their beloved "gubermint" would stoop to such disgusting levels even though we know that this was a rather tame false flag as opposed to the others going all the way back to the "Remember The Maine" credo for the Spanish/American War that also turned out to be a false flag. There hasn't been a single war since that hasn't had one.

exactly.all these paid shills are going to keep coming on here saying its been debunked blah blah blah blah blah and changing the subject not addressing the evidence as they have in this whole thread because that is what they are paid to do by their handlers is LIE.

thats how you can spot these shills over someone who was just brainwashed as you were and peach is because you notice how peach cam on and posted once and just left.thats someone not paid,she is a just a sheep in denial since she doesnt come back and post lie after lie when when she is cornered.

Wrong you have not presented any evidence to address.

No one is paid to be here and that fact which you lie about proves your inferiority.

it is you cornered and merely come back to post lies when you are so cornered.

You have been pnwed again by evidence and facts.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Oh so you are using memes because you are intellectually weak enough to think that they make a valid argument or raise a legitimate question.

Well gee since that is what you understand tell me where is the Airbus A320 jer which crashed in France? See if you can find it in this picture?

https://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cn...02560940-germanwings.530x298.jpg?v=1428203860

Then explain why one cannot find the B200 super king aircraft which crashed into a Melbourne Australia mall in this picture?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/8396632-3x2-940x627.jpg

Then point out where the B25 Mitchell is in these pictures.

http://avstop.com/news/em.htm2.jpg

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polop...s/gallery_1200/empire-state-building-1945.jpg

http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/328309/slide_328309_3188122_free.jpg

Since you are unable to see any aircraft in any of these images it is conclusive that NOT seeing a 757 in the wreckage of the Pentagon is irrelevant because aircraft are often destroyed beyond any recognition when they crash.

FYI - I have made no argument. Intellectually weak ????????????????? Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez.

Obviously, you're reading more into my post than is actually there. You assume way too much.

You thought you did but you failed

Ha HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA


IN your dreams. Failed at what? I presented nothing except food for thought, period. You're the one that attached some fictitious meaning to what I posted. You put your own spin to what I posted. You're reading more into it than what is actually there, and what was actually intended.

You're the one that failed, not me. I presented food for thought, you put the meaning to it, not me.

No you presented an argument and it failed massively.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Like I said, I saw it live on TV the planes,& the flights, the families of those in the flights all real, And I was worried it would collapse, from the instinctive reasoning of what impact and fire spread I saw.
Saudis would make a fuss if it weren't real as they were tarnished by the perps being from there.
If someone saw evidence of tampering with the building to bring it down the first conclusion would be the same perp group did it to assure full destruction, but that was never made an issue, meaning they didn't see such evidence.

People are not saying that people didn't die on 9/11/01. What people are saying is that this was allowed to happen. Three high rise buildings collapsed in their own footprint but only two planes were involved? Those that believe that a conspiracy this big would take too many people to pull this off and eventually someone would tell. I disagree, an operation like this would be highly compartmentalized just like the JFK assassination but of course decades later people now know that it was indeed a conspiracy and that Oswald was a patsy. People involved sign NDAs and or they are loyal to those above them and they know that they will be under surveillance for the rest of their lives. I don't want to believe that this was allowed to happen but after really looking at facts that were so blatantly in my face? I can't pretend anymore and I won't. LA RAM FAN is a dogged researcher even more so than I am so I just have to laugh at the naysayers and trolls that go right for the personal insults instead of intelligently discussing the issue. I am past of the point of giving a fuck on what people think of what I have learned. It changes nothing anyway.

Yeah apparently the 9/11 apologist is clueless about bld 7 the crux of the 9/11 coverup commission that all the shills that have trolled this thread that he needs to stop listening to have always ended up with shit on their faces each time its brought up.

He was talking about the twin towers collapsing due to the fires allegedly with the alleged belief the steel frames were only like 10 feet thick or whatever yet like nobody ever can, he cant explain bld 7 which did NOT get hit by an airliner notice that?


and even if bld 7 did not collapsed he has ignored what witnesses in the towers reported of explosions in the basement before the plane struck above,notice that also?


and you just debunked it so well with the example of the JFK assassination and how with operation northwoods,hundreds of people can be involved and keep a secret because if they say otherwise,they know they will be killed off. Like you said so well,we now know through hard evidence though the years there was multiple shooters with hundreds of people involved with a few that have just NOW come forward in years recently confessing their involvement because NOW they know they are going to be dead soon so they are spilling the beans about it.

they had to stay quiet all these years because had they not,as we know they would have been killed off. so for the people with the ramblings it would take hundreds of them involved and they could not keep a secret,enough of that garbage already,that is an old and a tiresome lame excuse that does not fly.

the people who have that wild claim obviously do not know about that word you mentioned compartmentalization. excellent jof of taking him to school there by the way with my help of course.

The thing about the naysayers is that they will refuse to focus on the numerous anomalies and claim that they are simply coincidences regardless of how blatantly obvious that it shouldn't pass the sniff test of anyone with the ability to critically think. Building Seven alone should be the smoking gun for any doubter. I never read anything about Building Seven in the papers or on the MSM websites. It was basically an afterthought in the 9/11 hearings. People that will not take the time to view something objectively will remain in the dark. I know because I was one of them. It certainly is ironic that I am now in the camp of those I demonized and marginalized for 11 plus years. I am grateful for those like you that refused to be shouted down. We owe a huge debt of gratitude to those like you that had the brass ones.

By naysayers you mean people who look at evidence rather than fictional videos.

You are also quite wrong many buildings were destroyed in the WTC complex but were not hit by aircraft. We know why they cam down there is no mystery.

You cannot name any such anomaly as you claim exists.