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Something I never saw much of over the past year was discussion about Trump's blatant admissions of affairs with married women. I find this interesting, and it makes me wonder -- is adultery a conservative value?
For those who don't know what I'm talking about, here's Trump admitting to affairs in his book, The Art of the Comeback:
"If I told the real stories of my experiences with women, often seemingly very happily married and important women, this book would be a guaranteed best-seller."He also said:
"I have too much respect for women in general, but if I did [write about my love life], the world would take serious notice. Beautiful, famous, successful, married — I've had them all, secretly, the world's biggest names..."We also know that Donald began a sexual relationship with his second wife, Marla Maples, while he was still married to his first wife, Ivanka, in the months after she said he raped her.
We also know that Christian evangelists report being "very excited" about Trump's win.
Is this because adultery, affairs and sex outside of marriage are conservative values?
SYTFE
No adultery is clearly against standards not only in Christianity but other beliefs and natural laws as well.
Forgiveness is supposed to be a Christian practice.
However, it is supposed to be a gift to everyone,
not just for political expedience to justify supporting one candidate over another.
Isn't a person supposed to ask for forgiveness? Aren't they supposed to admit the wrong in their ways? Not brag about it?
Dear Lewdog
Yes, and most of that is done in private where people have full freedom to change
and aren't pressured to put up an image or front for others.
There is a right way to do this and Trump did in one instance:
When confronted with some of the crude offensive sexist remarks he made, he did apologize
and he said he was committed to being a better person.
So that is the sincere way to ask forgiveness. And to be Thankful and open to receiving correction.
When this is sincere, and you ask help of all people, then you get the support
you need to make that work. Especially when you are truly grateful, people will help you.
If you surround yourself with people enabling you to continue the problematic behavior,
that is the most common way I've seen people set themselves up to fail.
As believers, the point is to uplift and support each other to stay ON TRACK,
NOT to stumble and gain points from others' failure as politics rewards that kind of undercutting tactic.
So in running for President, there are time both Obama and now Trump
felt compelled to say all kinds of things in the media, some that are clearly not workable.
I'd rather hold both to the better ideals and ideas they put forth that are good solutions,
and get away from this habit of telling and selling propaganda in the media that stirs publicity and gets voters to the polls.
With that said, did Trump REALLY apologize or did he say what he thought he needed to say to help get him elected? The fact he had to explain his apology by saying it was a private conversation that was "locker room" talk, tells me he wasn't sincere.
You admitted that even though you wouldn't cheat on your hand, you don't care to vote for someone to represent you that is a sinner who would commit things that don't represent your own values.
What? I voted for the guy. But somehow that makes me culpable for supporting adultery. Using guilt by association is dishonest.
Wrong... you voted for him to represent you and your COUNTRY.
And? Does that make me racist, bigoted, or xenophobic too? You can't just sit there and apply Trump's values to the values of his voters because they voted for him. Should I simply define you by who you did or didn't vote for?
That's not what this thread is about... but glad you admitted he is racist, bigoted, and xenophobic. You are making progress.
Something I never saw much of over the past year was discussion about Trump's blatant admissions of affairs with married women. I find this interesting, and it makes me wonder -- is adultery a conservative value?
For those who don't know what I'm talking about, here's Trump admitting to affairs in his book, The Art of the Comeback:
"If I told the real stories of my experiences with women, often seemingly very happily married and important women, this book would be a guaranteed best-seller."He also said:
"I have too much respect for women in general, but if I did [write about my love life], the world would take serious notice. Beautiful, famous, successful, married — I've had them all, secretly, the world's biggest names..."We also know that Donald began a sexual relationship with his second wife, Marla Maples, while he was still married to his first wife, Ivanka, in the months after she said he raped her.
We also know that Christian evangelists report being "very excited" about Trump's win.
Is this because adultery, affairs and sex outside of marriage are conservative values?
How many affairs do you guys think Trump actually had? 10? 20? 100?
Conservatives are only against adultery when it doesn't interfere with their adultery.
See, you like to think you do even though you're too dumb to realize that Jesus was a total liberal. You all are hypocrites. Of course I don't even care. I'm an atheist, thankfully. If I was Christian I would only despise your kind even more.There's aren't very many true Christians. Hell there aren't any in the Republican Party.Christian scum
Well, I stopped reading when you decided to refer to people of my faith as "scum."
Poor silly billy still upset the republicans own christiananity..
See, that's where you're wrong. Your vote says, "This man's behavior is reprehensible and in direct conflict with my own morals, but I'm going to go ahead and push them aside because I'm a moral relativist." You are broadcasting to the world who YOU are as a person via your endorsement.
You make the mistake of attributing his values to me because I voted for him. You (presumably) voted for Hillary despite obvious breaches of the law, should I therefore assume that you support people who intentionally break the law? That's a lazy argument.
And you know it.
You are announcing to the world that your values are context-dependent, only applicable when you want them to be, and discard them when they become inconvenient.
My morals are context dependent? Just what were you doing when you posted this thread?
You are announcing to the world that your word is completely and utterly meaningless. You're admitting that you have ZERO conviction.
Are you willing to say that to anyone who voted for Hillary Clinton?
There were NO "breaches of the law" dipshit. There were no convictions, and she wasn't found guilty of ANYTHING despite hearings and investigations. They were right wing witch hunts -- period.
Try again.
Galatians 3:28See, you like to think you do even though you're too dumb to realize that Jesus was a total liberal. You all are hypocrites. Of course I don't even care. I'm an atheist, thankfully. If I was Christian I would only despise your kind even more.There's aren't very many true Christians. Hell there aren't any in the Republican Party.Christian scum
Well, I stopped reading when you decided to refer to people of my faith as "scum."
Poor silly billy still upset the republicans own christiananity..
See, you like to think you do even though you're too dumb to realize that Jesus was a total liberal. You all are hypocrites. Of course I don't even care. I'm an atheist, thankfully. If I was Christian I would only despise your kind even more.There's aren't very many true Christians. Hell there aren't any in the Republican Party.Christian scum
Well, I stopped reading when you decided to refer to people of my faith as "scum."
Poor silly billy still upset the republicans own christiananity..
Just like Liberals who say they are for all women.
Ok? I think it was crazy for Clinton to say she was for women when her foundation accepted money from countries that committed human rights violations against women and various other reasons. BUT, if you want to talk about that, make a thread about it. That's not what this thread is about.
Yeah we know...it's all about bashing Trump.
So you are admitting he is an adulterer? Ok, that's the first step.
I guess ya gotta take the good with the bad.
In all my fifty one years I've never known a politician that was an angel....from either side.
And i'd bet dollars to donuts that you aren't either.
We all have our flaws. However I have NEVER cheated on someone, let alone publicly bragged about it. I've NEVER partied with a convicted pedophile and bragged about how nice of a guy he was.
Although I have a deep hatred for socialism, I don't think that supporting it would show weak morals. Actually, in some ways it could indicate some stronger morals when it comes to the treatment of others.And what's that hypocrisy?
Liberals claiming moral superiority.
I'm not a liberal, and this thread isn't about moral superiority. It's about the hypocrisy of saying you have morals and then ignoring it for political reasons.
So you're saying you have no morals?
Nope... never said anything like that. And that isn't what the thread is about. When I do chose who I vote for, I pick the person that best represents me, and that includes their morals. I voted Bernie... and he was the most honest candidate in the election... show me where he cheated on his wife.
Choosing socialism tells me you have no morals, religious or otherwise.
You gotta know all these puke fkers are related? They're their own granpawsSomething I never saw much of over the past year was discussion about Trump's blatant admissions of affairs with married women. I find this interesting, and it makes me wonder -- is adultery a conservative value?
For those who don't know what I'm talking about, here's Trump admitting to affairs in his book, The Art of the Comeback:
"If I told the real stories of my experiences with women, often seemingly very happily married and important women, this book would be a guaranteed best-seller."He also said:
"I have too much respect for women in general, but if I did [write about my love life], the world would take serious notice. Beautiful, famous, successful, married — I've had them all, secretly, the world's biggest names..."We also know that Donald began a sexual relationship with his second wife, Marla Maples, while he was still married to his first wife, Ivanka, in the months after she said he raped her.
We also know that Christian evangelists report being "very excited" about Trump's win.
Is this because adultery, affairs and sex outside of marriage are conservative values?
Something I never saw much of over the past year was discussion about Trump's blatant admissions of affairs with married women. I find this interesting, and it makes me wonder -- is adultery a conservative value?
For those who don't know what I'm talking about, here's Trump admitting to affairs in his book, The Art of the Comeback:
"If I told the real stories of my experiences with women, often seemingly very happily married and important women, this book would be a guaranteed best-seller."He also said:
"I have too much respect for women in general, but if I did [write about my love life], the world would take serious notice. Beautiful, famous, successful, married — I've had them all, secretly, the world's biggest names..."We also know that Donald began a sexual relationship with his second wife, Marla Maples, while he was still married to his first wife, Ivanka, in the months after she said he raped her.
We also know that Christian evangelists report being "very excited" about Trump's win.
Is this because adultery, affairs and sex outside of marriage are conservative values?
So you're saying you have no morals?
Nope... never said anything like that. And that isn't what the thread is about. When I do chose who I vote for, I pick the person that best represents me, and that includes their morals. I voted Bernie... and he was the most honest candidate in the election... show me where he cheated on his wife.
Choosing socialism tells me you have no morals, religious or otherwise.
And your post tells me you are a selfish dipshit hypocrite. Then again I really knew that.
You're going to have to explain why I'm selfish because I just dont see it.
Anyone that brags about how much money's worth of food they throw away each month is about as selfish as you can get. The only thing you could do to make it worse is even you stepped out your front door and punched a baby.
Conservatives are only against adultery when it doesn't interfere with their adultery.
That implies that all conservatives commit adultery. Maybe some, but not all.
You must be joking.
I thought the ones caught with boys were Catholic and party was not a consideration.Conservatives are only against adultery when it doesn't interfere with their adultery.
That implies that all conservatives commit adultery. Maybe some, but not all.
You must be joking.
the way I heard it said Etherion:
All politicians have affairs,
But if it's men caught with women, those are Democrats.
And if it's men caught with boys, those are Republicans!
Although I have a deep hatred for socialism, I don't think that supporting it would show weak morals. Actually, in some ways it could indicate some stronger morals when it comes to the treatment of others.Liberals claiming moral superiority.
I'm not a liberal, and this thread isn't about moral superiority. It's about the hypocrisy of saying you have morals and then ignoring it for political reasons.
So you're saying you have no morals?
Nope... never said anything like that. And that isn't what the thread is about. When I do chose who I vote for, I pick the person that best represents me, and that includes their morals. I voted Bernie... and he was the most honest candidate in the election... show me where he cheated on his wife.
Choosing socialism tells me you have no morals, religious or otherwise.
I don't think I want to get into a debate on the moral values of a totally socialist society. If you debated the wrong or right person on this subject, it could very well lead to a loss on the part of the anti socialist supporter.
Personally, I don't want to work for free or work to support others. One could call that an immoral perspective.
lol it's not hard to read the Bible. Hell I was raised Christian. Jesus was a liberal. Don't be a moron about this.See, you like to think you do even though you're too dumb to realize that Jesus was a total liberal. You all are hypocrites. Of course I don't even care. I'm an atheist, thankfully. If I was Christian I would only despise your kind even more.There's aren't very many true Christians. Hell there aren't any in the Republican Party.Christian scum
Well, I stopped reading when you decided to refer to people of my faith as "scum."
Poor silly billy still upset the republicans own christiananity..
So a kiddie atheist trying to tell me what jesus was?
Priceless.
Lmfao
