serious question on core Jewish belief

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The story of Abraham and his descendents is found in the book of Genesis. We first meet him in Genesis chapter 11, although at this stage his name is Abram. There is very little biographical detail about him apart from the fact that he was a shepherd and came from Ur in Mesopotamia - modern day Iraq - after which he and his family moved, with his father Terah, to Haran.

This is a polytheistic age, an age when people believed in and worshipped many gods. Yet within this atmosphere, Abram answers the call of God and it is because of this that he accepts and realises the reality of there being only one true God.

In the Jewish tradition called Midrash (a Hebrew word which means 'interpretation' and relates to the way readings or biblical verses are understood), there are a number of stories about Abraham smashing his father's idols when he realises that there can be only one God of heaven and earth. It doesn't matter whether the stories are true or not. They acknowledge that Abraham was the first person to recognise and worship the one God. And so, monotheism was born.

BBC - Religions - Judaism: Abraham

Abraham is regarded by Jews as the first Patriarch of the Jewish people. This article examines his life, times and significance.

www.bbc.co.uk

There was NO Ur of the Chaldeans in Abraham's time. He was from Urfa near Haran.

Ur of the Chaldeans

Do you know what this means?

Yep and it didn't exist during Abraham's time. See the geology. Further, the cities of the plain were long gone before Abraham and Lot.

I just Googled it and you are, as usual, full of shit.

Abraham was from the city of Ur according to Genesis 11:31 above. The problem is that there are several places called Ur. It is mostly translated as "Ur of the Chaldeans." The problem with "Chaldeans" is that it is a late word used in the Neo-Babylonian times. It is either anachronistic, or a poor translation.
Abraham's Ur - Accuracy in Genesis
www.accuracyingenesis.com/ur.html

In your book everything that corresponds to the Torah is anachronistic, or a poor translation, even though self-hating Jewish archeologists are constantly confirming the verses.
You are one hateful bitch.

I am a big follower of the Israeli archeologists especially Israel Finklestein.. He's brilliant.

As for Ur of the Chaldeans:

“Ur of the Chaldeans” (Gen 11:28-31)

https://drbarrick.org/files/papers/other/Chaldeans_Natl_2007.pdf

Barrick, Chaldeans 2 A later editor or scribe was aware of more than one city called “Ur” in the ancient Near East. Since the Chaldeans did not exist in the ancient world until nearly a thousand years after

 

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Hold on a minute, there, matzoh boy, how do you know it isn't actually another God? The tribal god that drinks lamb's blood and all that? The one that slays cities, demands the right to the first born of "His" people, turns women into salt, talks to snakes in gardens and so on? The real God, on the other hand, the universal God, is the One all humans have always equally sought to understand. Wouldn't that tidy things up a bit?

Only if you were a Gnostic Christian. But they mostly darwinized themselves out of existence. But there's not really a second creation story. That's a misnomer. So I hate to burst your bubble but there it is.

Who cares? You can get rid of the first creation story, too. How the world came into existence isn't a religious question, anyway. It is a scientific question, since it has to do with the physical world. It does seem to me however, when I think about it, that in the Bible you've got two distinct Gods on stage. While one God is over here telling anyone who will listen that He desires mercy, not vengeance, you've got bad cop God over there ordering Jews to slaughter everyone in the world without mercy. So, either God is a schizo, or start ordering the replacement placemats for the friary with the Lord's Prayer: Our Fathers, one of whom is in Heaven and the other probably prison, hallowed be thy names. Thy kingdoms come, thy wills be done on earth as they are in Heaven and Hell, as the case may be. Give us this day our daily bread, and help us resist temptation, just not yet. Deliver us from evil, or drop us smack dab in the middle of it, for the kingdoms are y'alls, and the power too, and the glory, forever and ever, amen.

How the world came into existence is an origin question and is an important question especially as it pertains to God who is a creator God. There have been two views; the universe has always existed or the universe was created. Science has discarded the universe has always existed model and for good reason too. I find most atheists violently oppose the idea that the universe was created from nothing but that's what the science says so there it is.

Lot's of people have a hard time reconciling the God of the OT with the God of the NT. In fact, the Gnostic Christians decided there had to be two Gods because of this apparent conflict; the evil God of the OT and the good God of the NT. But they were supreme idiots who effectively darwinized themselves from existence. So now we just have jackanapes left who don't know how to read the bible for meaning and create more red herrings than a Jewish fishery like you have been doing.

 

[Street Juice]

At its root, it refers to the core Jewish belief that the Creator of the Universe also has a special and unique relationship with His chosen people."

According to scripture and Jewish tradition, God wished to have a people who placed themselves apart from others to live by a more austere code than other nations. The rest of us could live by a more relaxed code of our own choosing. God wasn't abandoning either group.

Why would any universal God demand what is, frankly, xenophobia from just one tribe (and the enslavement or genocide of all the others?) It is the opposite of a universal God. It is a tribal god and a particularly blood-thirsty one.

Provide a quote from Tanach.

When the Lord thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee,... And when the Lord thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them: Deut 7:1, 2

And thou shalt consume all the people which the Lord thy God shall deliver thee; thine eye shall have no pity upon them: Deut 7:16

You do realize this is embellishment, right? You make the same mistake evangelicals make. You read this literally. C'mon man, don't make me revoke your membership from the adult club.

Embellishment? "Thou shalt smite them and utterly destroy them" is embellishment? No, Dingles, embellishment would be something like, "Thou shalt smite them as your fathers smote, riding across the desert at a full gallop in drag, and utterly destroy them and turn them into blood mist and bestow upon them their very own Holocaust story."

Thou shalt smite them and utterly destroy them means thou shalt smite them and utterly destroy them. A command by your God. Actually it is you who sounds like a fundamentalist. Every time they come to a blatant contradiction like page 1: God loves mankind, page 2: God incinerates mankind because some dude wore a dress, the fundamentalists all cry in unison, it was a different dispensation, a word which means "this contradiction is hereby defined as not a contradiction". you just use "embellishment" instead of "dispensation"

Holy smoke, so you believe God smote the enemies of the Jews? That's it. Your card to the adult club has been revoked, you fundie.

Don't look at me. It's your Bible:

And the Lord our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain: Only the cattle we took for a prey unto ourselves, and the spoil of the cities which we took. Deut 2:33-35

 

[Street Juice]

At its root, it refers to the core Jewish belief that the Creator of the Universe also has a special and unique relationship with His chosen people."

According to scripture and Jewish tradition, God wished to have a people who placed themselves apart from others to live by a more austere code than other nations. The rest of us could live by a more relaxed code of our own choosing. God wasn't abandoning either group.

Why would any universal God demand what is, frankly, xenophobia from just one tribe (and the enslavement or genocide of all the others?) It is the opposite of a universal God. It is a tribal god and a particularly blood-thirsty one.

Provide a quote from Tanach.

When the Lord thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee,... And when the Lord thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them: Deut 7:1, 2

And thou shalt consume all the people which the Lord thy God shall deliver thee; thine eye shall have no pity upon them: Deut 7:16

You do realize this is embellishment, right? You make the same mistake evangelicals make. You read this literally. C'mon man, don't make me revoke your membership from the adult club.

Embellishment? "Thou shalt smite them and utterly destroy them" is embellishment? No, Dingles, embellishment would be something like, "Thou shalt smite them as your fathers smote, riding across the desert at a full gallop in drag, and utterly destroy them and turn them into blood mist and bestow upon them their very own Holocaust story."

Thou shalt smite them and utterly destroy them means thou shalt smite them and utterly destroy them. A command by your God. Actually it is you who sounds like a fundamentalist. Every time they come to a blatant contradiction like page 1: God loves mankind, page 2: God incinerates mankind because some dude wore a dress, the fundamentalists all cry in unison, it was a different dispensation, a word which means "this contradiction is hereby defined as not a contradiction". you just use "embellishment" instead of "dispensation"

Holy smoke, so you believe God smote the enemies of the Jews? That's it. Your card to the adult club has been revoked, you fundie.

And the Lord said unto me, Fear him not: for I will deliver him, and all his people, and his land, into thy hand; and thou shalt do unto him as thou didst unto Sihon king of the Amorites, which dwelt at Heshbon. So the Lord our God delivered into our hands Og also, the king of Bashan, and all his people: and we smote him until none was left to him remaining. And we took all his cities at that time, there was not a city which we took not from them, threescore cities, all the region of Argob, the kingdom of Og in Bashan. All these cities were fenced with high walls, gates, and bars; beside unwalled towns a great many. And we utterly destroyed them, as we did unto Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city. But all the cattle, and the spoil of the cities, we took for a prey to ourselves. Deut 3:2-6

 

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At its root, it refers to the core Jewish belief that the Creator of the Universe also has a special and unique relationship with His chosen people."

According to scripture and Jewish tradition, God wished to have a people who placed themselves apart from others to live by a more austere code than other nations. The rest of us could live by a more relaxed code of our own choosing. God wasn't abandoning either group.

Why would any universal God demand what is, frankly, xenophobia from just one tribe (and the enslavement or genocide of all the others?) It is the opposite of a universal God. It is a tribal god and a particularly blood-thirsty one.

Provide a quote from Tanach.

When the Lord thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee,... And when the Lord thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them: Deut 7:1, 2

And thou shalt consume all the people which the Lord thy God shall deliver thee; thine eye shall have no pity upon them: Deut 7:16

You do realize this is embellishment, right? You make the same mistake evangelicals make. You read this literally. C'mon man, don't make me revoke your membership from the adult club.

Embellishment? "Thou shalt smite them and utterly destroy them" is embellishment? No, Dingles, embellishment would be something like, "Thou shalt smite them as your fathers smote, riding across the desert at a full gallop in drag, and utterly destroy them and turn them into blood mist and bestow upon them their very own Holocaust story."

Thou shalt smite them and utterly destroy them means thou shalt smite them and utterly destroy them. A command by your God. Actually it is you who sounds like a fundamentalist. Every time they come to a blatant contradiction like page 1: God loves mankind, page 2: God incinerates mankind because some dude wore a dress, the fundamentalists all cry in unison, it was a different dispensation, a word which means "this contradiction is hereby defined as not a contradiction". you just use "embellishment" instead of "dispensation"

Holy smoke, so you believe God smote the enemies of the Jews? That's it. Your card to the adult club has been revoked, you fundie.

Don't look at me. It's your Bible:

And the Lord our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain: Only the cattle we took for a prey unto ourselves, and the spoil of the cities which we took. Deut 2:33-35

Of course I'm going to look at you. You are the one reading the bible like an idiot.

 

[Street Juice]

Actually it is you who sounds like a fundamentalist.

Says the guy who is arguing God smote the enemies of the Jews, right?

And the Lord thy God will put out those nations before thee by little and little: thou mayest not consume them at once, lest the beasts of the field increase upon thee. But the Lord thy God shall deliver them unto thee, and shall destroy them with a mighty destruction, until they be destroyed. And he shall deliver their kings into thine hand, and thou shalt destroy their name from under heaven: there shall no man be able to stand before thee, until thou have destroyed them. Deut 7:22-24

 

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At its root, it refers to the core Jewish belief that the Creator of the Universe also has a special and unique relationship with His chosen people."

According to scripture and Jewish tradition, God wished to have a people who placed themselves apart from others to live by a more austere code than other nations. The rest of us could live by a more relaxed code of our own choosing. God wasn't abandoning either group.

Why would any universal God demand what is, frankly, xenophobia from just one tribe (and the enslavement or genocide of all the others?) It is the opposite of a universal God. It is a tribal god and a particularly blood-thirsty one.

Provide a quote from Tanach.

When the Lord thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee,... And when the Lord thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them: Deut 7:1, 2

And thou shalt consume all the people which the Lord thy God shall deliver thee; thine eye shall have no pity upon them: Deut 7:16

You do realize this is embellishment, right? You make the same mistake evangelicals make. You read this literally. C'mon man, don't make me revoke your membership from the adult club.

Embellishment? "Thou shalt smite them and utterly destroy them" is embellishment? No, Dingles, embellishment would be something like, "Thou shalt smite them as your fathers smote, riding across the desert at a full gallop in drag, and utterly destroy them and turn them into blood mist and bestow upon them their very own Holocaust story."

Thou shalt smite them and utterly destroy them means thou shalt smite them and utterly destroy them. A command by your God. Actually it is you who sounds like a fundamentalist. Every time they come to a blatant contradiction like page 1: God loves mankind, page 2: God incinerates mankind because some dude wore a dress, the fundamentalists all cry in unison, it was a different dispensation, a word which means "this contradiction is hereby defined as not a contradiction". you just use "embellishment" instead of "dispensation"

Holy smoke, so you believe God smote the enemies of the Jews? That's it. Your card to the adult club has been revoked, you fundie.

And the Lord said unto me, Fear him not: for I will deliver him, and all his people, and his land, into thy hand; and thou shalt do unto him as thou didst unto Sihon king of the Amorites, which dwelt at Heshbon. So the Lord our God delivered into our hands Og also, the king of Bashan, and all his people: and we smote him until none was left to him remaining. And we took all his cities at that time, there was not a city which we took not from them, threescore cities, all the region of Argob, the kingdom of Og in Bashan. All these cities were fenced with high walls, gates, and bars; beside unwalled towns a great many. And we utterly destroyed them, as we did unto Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city. But all the cattle, and the spoil of the cities, we took for a prey to ourselves. Deut 3:2-6

It's like when we said God was on America's side to defeat the nazi's, dummy. An embellishment.

But if you want to read the bible like a fundie as an attempt to illustrate how silly fundies look, you are doing a great job of looking silly.

 

[Street Juice]

At its root, it refers to the core Jewish belief that the Creator of the Universe also has a special and unique relationship with His chosen people."

According to scripture and Jewish tradition, God wished to have a people who placed themselves apart from others to live by a more austere code than other nations. The rest of us could live by a more relaxed code of our own choosing. God wasn't abandoning either group.

Why would any universal God demand what is, frankly, xenophobia from just one tribe (and the enslavement or genocide of all the others?) It is the opposite of a universal God. It is a tribal god and a particularly blood-thirsty one.

Provide a quote from Tanach.

When the Lord thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee,... And when the Lord thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them: Deut 7:1, 2

And thou shalt consume all the people which the Lord thy God shall deliver thee; thine eye shall have no pity upon them: Deut 7:16

You do realize this is embellishment, right? You make the same mistake evangelicals make. You read this literally. C'mon man, don't make me revoke your membership from the adult club.

Embellishment? "Thou shalt smite them and utterly destroy them" is embellishment? No, Dingles, embellishment would be something like, "Thou shalt smite them as your fathers smote, riding across the desert at a full gallop in drag, and utterly destroy them and turn them into blood mist and bestow upon them their very own Holocaust story."

Thou shalt smite them and utterly destroy them means thou shalt smite them and utterly destroy them. A command by your God. Actually it is you who sounds like a fundamentalist. Every time they come to a blatant contradiction like page 1: God loves mankind, page 2: God incinerates mankind because some dude wore a dress, the fundamentalists all cry in unison, it was a different dispensation, a word which means "this contradiction is hereby defined as not a contradiction". you just use "embellishment" instead of "dispensation"

Holy smoke, so you believe God smote the enemies of the Jews? That's it. Your card to the adult club has been revoked, you fundie.

Don't look at me. It's your Bible:

And the Lord our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain: Only the cattle we took for a prey unto ourselves, and the spoil of the cities which we took. Deut 2:33-35

Of course I'm going to look at you. You are the one reading the bible like an idiot.

Moreover the Lord your God will send the hornet among them until those who are left, who hide themselves from you, are destroyed. Deut 7:20

 

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At its root, it refers to the core Jewish belief that the Creator of the Universe also has a special and unique relationship with His chosen people."

According to scripture and Jewish tradition, God wished to have a people who placed themselves apart from others to live by a more austere code than other nations. The rest of us could live by a more relaxed code of our own choosing. God wasn't abandoning either group.

Why would any universal God demand what is, frankly, xenophobia from just one tribe (and the enslavement or genocide of all the others?) It is the opposite of a universal God. It is a tribal god and a particularly blood-thirsty one.

Provide a quote from Tanach.

When the Lord thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee,... And when the Lord thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them: Deut 7:1, 2

And thou shalt consume all the people which the Lord thy God shall deliver thee; thine eye shall have no pity upon them: Deut 7:16

You do realize this is embellishment, right? You make the same mistake evangelicals make. You read this literally. C'mon man, don't make me revoke your membership from the adult club.

Embellishment? "Thou shalt smite them and utterly destroy them" is embellishment? No, Dingles, embellishment would be something like, "Thou shalt smite them as your fathers smote, riding across the desert at a full gallop in drag, and utterly destroy them and turn them into blood mist and bestow upon them their very own Holocaust story."

Thou shalt smite them and utterly destroy them means thou shalt smite them and utterly destroy them. A command by your God. Actually it is you who sounds like a fundamentalist. Every time they come to a blatant contradiction like page 1: God loves mankind, page 2: God incinerates mankind because some dude wore a dress, the fundamentalists all cry in unison, it was a different dispensation, a word which means "this contradiction is hereby defined as not a contradiction". you just use "embellishment" instead of "dispensation"

Holy smoke, so you believe God smote the enemies of the Jews? That's it. Your card to the adult club has been revoked, you fundie.

Don't look at me. It's your Bible:

And the Lord our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain: Only the cattle we took for a prey unto ourselves, and the spoil of the cities which we took. Deut 2:33-35

Of course I'm going to look at you. You are the one reading the bible like an idiot.

The OT stories are imaginative, but they are NOT historical.

 

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At its root, it refers to the core Jewish belief that the Creator of the Universe also has a special and unique relationship with His chosen people."

According to scripture and Jewish tradition, God wished to have a people who placed themselves apart from others to live by a more austere code than other nations. The rest of us could live by a more relaxed code of our own choosing. God wasn't abandoning either group.

Why would any universal God demand what is, frankly, xenophobia from just one tribe (and the enslavement or genocide of all the others?) It is the opposite of a universal God. It is a tribal god and a particularly blood-thirsty one.

Provide a quote from Tanach.

When the Lord thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee,... And when the Lord thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them: Deut 7:1, 2

And thou shalt consume all the people which the Lord thy God shall deliver thee; thine eye shall have no pity upon them: Deut 7:16

You do realize this is embellishment, right? You make the same mistake evangelicals make. You read this literally. C'mon man, don't make me revoke your membership from the adult club.

Embellishment? "Thou shalt smite them and utterly destroy them" is embellishment? No, Dingles, embellishment would be something like, "Thou shalt smite them as your fathers smote, riding across the desert at a full gallop in drag, and utterly destroy them and turn them into blood mist and bestow upon them their very own Holocaust story."

Thou shalt smite them and utterly destroy them means thou shalt smite them and utterly destroy them. A command by your God. Actually it is you who sounds like a fundamentalist. Every time they come to a blatant contradiction like page 1: God loves mankind, page 2: God incinerates mankind because some dude wore a dress, the fundamentalists all cry in unison, it was a different dispensation, a word which means "this contradiction is hereby defined as not a contradiction". you just use "embellishment" instead of "dispensation"

Holy smoke, so you believe God smote the enemies of the Jews? That's it. Your card to the adult club has been revoked, you fundie.

Don't look at me. It's your Bible:

And the Lord our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain: Only the cattle we took for a prey unto ourselves, and the spoil of the cities which we took. Deut 2:33-35

Of course I'm going to look at you. You are the one reading the bible like an idiot.

Moreover the Lord your God will send the hornet among them until those who are left, who hide themselves from you, are destroyed. Deut 7:20

Preach on, fundie! Preach on!

 

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At its root, it refers to the core Jewish belief that the Creator of the Universe also has a special and unique relationship with His chosen people."

According to scripture and Jewish tradition, God wished to have a people who placed themselves apart from others to live by a more austere code than other nations. The rest of us could live by a more relaxed code of our own choosing. God wasn't abandoning either group.

Why would any universal God demand what is, frankly, xenophobia from just one tribe (and the enslavement or genocide of all the others?) It is the opposite of a universal God. It is a tribal god and a particularly blood-thirsty one.

Provide a quote from Tanach.

When the Lord thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee,... And when the Lord thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them: Deut 7:1, 2

And thou shalt consume all the people which the Lord thy God shall deliver thee; thine eye shall have no pity upon them: Deut 7:16

You do realize this is embellishment, right? You make the same mistake evangelicals make. You read this literally. C'mon man, don't make me revoke your membership from the adult club.

Embellishment? "Thou shalt smite them and utterly destroy them" is embellishment? No, Dingles, embellishment would be something like, "Thou shalt smite them as your fathers smote, riding across the desert at a full gallop in drag, and utterly destroy them and turn them into blood mist and bestow upon them their very own Holocaust story."

Thou shalt smite them and utterly destroy them means thou shalt smite them and utterly destroy them. A command by your God. Actually it is you who sounds like a fundamentalist. Every time they come to a blatant contradiction like page 1: God loves mankind, page 2: God incinerates mankind because some dude wore a dress, the fundamentalists all cry in unison, it was a different dispensation, a word which means "this contradiction is hereby defined as not a contradiction". you just use "embellishment" instead of "dispensation"

Holy smoke, so you believe God smote the enemies of the Jews? That's it. Your card to the adult club has been revoked, you fundie.

Don't look at me. It's your Bible:

And the Lord our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain: Only the cattle we took for a prey unto ourselves, and the spoil of the cities which we took. Deut 2:33-35

Of course I'm going to look at you. You are the one reading the bible like an idiot.

The OT stories are imaginative, but they are NOT historical.

There are historical aspects. But you are not someone I will discuss that with.

 

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At its root, it refers to the core Jewish belief that the Creator of the Universe also has a special and unique relationship with His chosen people."

According to scripture and Jewish tradition, God wished to have a people who placed themselves apart from others to live by a more austere code than other nations. The rest of us could live by a more relaxed code of our own choosing. God wasn't abandoning either group.

Why would any universal God demand what is, frankly, xenophobia from just one tribe (and the enslavement or genocide of all the others?) It is the opposite of a universal God. It is a tribal god and a particularly blood-thirsty one.

Provide a quote from Tanach.

When the Lord thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee,... And when the Lord thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them: Deut 7:1, 2

And thou shalt consume all the people which the Lord thy God shall deliver thee; thine eye shall have no pity upon them: Deut 7:16

You do realize this is embellishment, right? You make the same mistake evangelicals make. You read this literally. C'mon man, don't make me revoke your membership from the adult club.

Embellishment? "Thou shalt smite them and utterly destroy them" is embellishment? No, Dingles, embellishment would be something like, "Thou shalt smite them as your fathers smote, riding across the desert at a full gallop in drag, and utterly destroy them and turn them into blood mist and bestow upon them their very own Holocaust story."

Thou shalt smite them and utterly destroy them means thou shalt smite them and utterly destroy them. A command by your God. Actually it is you who sounds like a fundamentalist. Every time they come to a blatant contradiction like page 1: God loves mankind, page 2: God incinerates mankind because some dude wore a dress, the fundamentalists all cry in unison, it was a different dispensation, a word which means "this contradiction is hereby defined as not a contradiction". you just use "embellishment" instead of "dispensation"

Holy smoke, so you believe God smote the enemies of the Jews? That's it. Your card to the adult club has been revoked, you fundie.

Don't look at me. It's your Bible:

And the Lord our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain: Only the cattle we took for a prey unto ourselves, and the spoil of the cities which we took. Deut 2:33-35

Of course I'm going to look at you. You are the one reading the bible like an idiot.

The OT stories are imaginative, but they are NOT historical.

There are historical aspects. But you are not someone I will discuss that with.

Why not? Do you think there is an historical aspect to Noah's Ark or the Exodus?

 

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At its root, it refers to the core Jewish belief that the Creator of the Universe also has a special and unique relationship with His chosen people."

According to scripture and Jewish tradition, God wished to have a people who placed themselves apart from others to live by a more austere code than other nations. The rest of us could live by a more relaxed code of our own choosing. God wasn't abandoning either group.

Why would any universal God demand what is, frankly, xenophobia from just one tribe (and the enslavement or genocide of all the others?) It is the opposite of a universal God. It is a tribal god and a particularly blood-thirsty one.

Provide a quote from Tanach.

When the Lord thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee,... And when the Lord thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them: Deut 7:1, 2

And thou shalt consume all the people which the Lord thy God shall deliver thee; thine eye shall have no pity upon them: Deut 7:16

You do realize this is embellishment, right? You make the same mistake evangelicals make. You read this literally. C'mon man, don't make me revoke your membership from the adult club.

Embellishment? "Thou shalt smite them and utterly destroy them" is embellishment? No, Dingles, embellishment would be something like, "Thou shalt smite them as your fathers smote, riding across the desert at a full gallop in drag, and utterly destroy them and turn them into blood mist and bestow upon them their very own Holocaust story."

Thou shalt smite them and utterly destroy them means thou shalt smite them and utterly destroy them. A command by your God. Actually it is you who sounds like a fundamentalist. Every time they come to a blatant contradiction like page 1: God loves mankind, page 2: God incinerates mankind because some dude wore a dress, the fundamentalists all cry in unison, it was a different dispensation, a word which means "this contradiction is hereby defined as not a contradiction". you just use "embellishment" instead of "dispensation"

Holy smoke, so you believe God smote the enemies of the Jews? That's it. Your card to the adult club has been revoked, you fundie.

Don't look at me. It's your Bible:

And the Lord our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain: Only the cattle we took for a prey unto ourselves, and the spoil of the cities which we took. Deut 2:33-35

Of course I'm going to look at you. You are the one reading the bible like an idiot.

The OT stories are imaginative, but they are NOT historical.

There are historical aspects. But you are not someone I will discuss that with.

Why not? Do you think there is an historical aspect to Noah's Ark or the Exodus?

Because you are not objective.

 

[surada]

At its root, it refers to the core Jewish belief that the Creator of the Universe also has a special and unique relationship with His chosen people."

According to scripture and Jewish tradition, God wished to have a people who placed themselves apart from others to live by a more austere code than other nations. The rest of us could live by a more relaxed code of our own choosing. God wasn't abandoning either group.

Why would any universal God demand what is, frankly, xenophobia from just one tribe (and the enslavement or genocide of all the others?) It is the opposite of a universal God. It is a tribal god and a particularly blood-thirsty one.

Provide a quote from Tanach.

When the Lord thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee,... And when the Lord thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them: Deut 7:1, 2

And thou shalt consume all the people which the Lord thy God shall deliver thee; thine eye shall have no pity upon them: Deut 7:16

You do realize this is embellishment, right? You make the same mistake evangelicals make. You read this literally. C'mon man, don't make me revoke your membership from the adult club.

Embellishment? "Thou shalt smite them and utterly destroy them" is embellishment? No, Dingles, embellishment would be something like, "Thou shalt smite them as your fathers smote, riding across the desert at a full gallop in drag, and utterly destroy them and turn them into blood mist and bestow upon them their very own Holocaust story."

Thou shalt smite them and utterly destroy them means thou shalt smite them and utterly destroy them. A command by your God. Actually it is you who sounds like a fundamentalist. Every time they come to a blatant contradiction like page 1: God loves mankind, page 2: God incinerates mankind because some dude wore a dress, the fundamentalists all cry in unison, it was a different dispensation, a word which means "this contradiction is hereby defined as not a contradiction". you just use "embellishment" instead of "dispensation"

Holy smoke, so you believe God smote the enemies of the Jews? That's it. Your card to the adult club has been revoked, you fundie.

Don't look at me. It's your Bible:

And the Lord our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain: Only the cattle we took for a prey unto ourselves, and the spoil of the cities which we took. Deut 2:33-35

Of course I'm going to look at you. You are the one reading the bible like an idiot.

The OT stories are imaginative, but they are NOT historical.

There are historical aspects. But you are not someone I will discuss that with.

Why not? Do you think there is an historical aspect to Noah's Ark or the Exodus?

Because you are not objective.

The purpose of morality tales is what?

 

[ding]

At its root, it refers to the core Jewish belief that the Creator of the Universe also has a special and unique relationship with His chosen people."

According to scripture and Jewish tradition, God wished to have a people who placed themselves apart from others to live by a more austere code than other nations. The rest of us could live by a more relaxed code of our own choosing. God wasn't abandoning either group.

Why would any universal God demand what is, frankly, xenophobia from just one tribe (and the enslavement or genocide of all the others?) It is the opposite of a universal God. It is a tribal god and a particularly blood-thirsty one.

Provide a quote from Tanach.

When the Lord thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee,... And when the Lord thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them: Deut 7:1, 2

And thou shalt consume all the people which the Lord thy God shall deliver thee; thine eye shall have no pity upon them: Deut 7:16

You do realize this is embellishment, right? You make the same mistake evangelicals make. You read this literally. C'mon man, don't make me revoke your membership from the adult club.

Embellishment? "Thou shalt smite them and utterly destroy them" is embellishment? No, Dingles, embellishment would be something like, "Thou shalt smite them as your fathers smote, riding across the desert at a full gallop in drag, and utterly destroy them and turn them into blood mist and bestow upon them their very own Holocaust story."

Thou shalt smite them and utterly destroy them means thou shalt smite them and utterly destroy them. A command by your God. Actually it is you who sounds like a fundamentalist. Every time they come to a blatant contradiction like page 1: God loves mankind, page 2: God incinerates mankind because some dude wore a dress, the fundamentalists all cry in unison, it was a different dispensation, a word which means "this contradiction is hereby defined as not a contradiction". you just use "embellishment" instead of "dispensation"

Holy smoke, so you believe God smote the enemies of the Jews? That's it. Your card to the adult club has been revoked, you fundie.

Don't look at me. It's your Bible:

And the Lord our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain: Only the cattle we took for a prey unto ourselves, and the spoil of the cities which we took. Deut 2:33-35

Of course I'm going to look at you. You are the one reading the bible like an idiot.

The OT stories are imaginative, but they are NOT historical.

There are historical aspects. But you are not someone I will discuss that with.

Why not? Do you think there is an historical aspect to Noah's Ark or the Exodus?

Because you are not objective.

The purpose of morality tales is what?

The purpose of EVERYTHING is to teach.

 

[Street Juice]

At its root, it refers to the core Jewish belief that the Creator of the Universe also has a special and unique relationship with His chosen people."

According to scripture and Jewish tradition, God wished to have a people who placed themselves apart from others to live by a more austere code than other nations. The rest of us could live by a more relaxed code of our own choosing. God wasn't abandoning either group.

Why would any universal God demand what is, frankly, xenophobia from just one tribe (and the enslavement or genocide of all the others?) It is the opposite of a universal God. It is a tribal god and a particularly blood-thirsty one.

Provide a quote from Tanach.

When the Lord thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee,... And when the Lord thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them: Deut 7:1, 2

And thou shalt consume all the people which the Lord thy God shall deliver thee; thine eye shall have no pity upon them: Deut 7:16

You do realize this is embellishment, right? You make the same mistake evangelicals make. You read this literally. C'mon man, don't make me revoke your membership from the adult club.

Embellishment? "Thou shalt smite them and utterly destroy them" is embellishment? No, Dingles, embellishment would be something like, "Thou shalt smite them as your fathers smote, riding across the desert at a full gallop in drag, and utterly destroy them and turn them into blood mist and bestow upon them their very own Holocaust story."

Thou shalt smite them and utterly destroy them means thou shalt smite them and utterly destroy them. A command by your God. Actually it is you who sounds like a fundamentalist. Every time they come to a blatant contradiction like page 1: God loves mankind, page 2: God incinerates mankind because some dude wore a dress, the fundamentalists all cry in unison, it was a different dispensation, a word which means "this contradiction is hereby defined as not a contradiction". you just use "embellishment" instead of "dispensation"

Holy smoke, so you believe God smote the enemies of the Jews? That's it. Your card to the adult club has been revoked, you fundie.

Don't look at me. It's your Bible:

And the Lord our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain: Only the cattle we took for a prey unto ourselves, and the spoil of the cities which we took. Deut 2:33-35

Of course I'm going to look at you. You are the one reading the bible like an idiot.

Moreover the Lord your God will send the hornet among them until those who are left, who hide themselves from you, are destroyed. Deut 7:20

How's that for some Class A viciousness? Picture it, so your latest genocide is drawing to a close. It's taken non-stop solid days of slaughter in the city to put all the men, women, and children to the sword and dash all the babies' heads against the rocks. You and the boys are tired, but it's a good kind of tired and you want nothing more than lay back, eat these peoples food and force their daughters to pleasure you before you kill them, too, but you know there are still some survivors hiding in terror in hard to reach places. But when God says "utterly destroy", he means "utterly destroy" so you dare not stop yet. But then, do you have a great God or what? Those people who were hiding in terror from you? haha, God sent hornets in to drive them out of their hiding places so you could quickly and easily finish them off and get to raping--the fun part. Moreover the Lord your God will send the hornet among them until those who are left, who hide themselves from you, are destroyed. Deut 7:20

I'll bet Israel has a drone right now called Hornet and it will be used to track people down.

 

[surada]

At its root, it refers to the core Jewish belief that the Creator of the Universe also has a special and unique relationship with His chosen people."

According to scripture and Jewish tradition, God wished to have a people who placed themselves apart from others to live by a more austere code than other nations. The rest of us could live by a more relaxed code of our own choosing. God wasn't abandoning either group.

Why would any universal God demand what is, frankly, xenophobia from just one tribe (and the enslavement or genocide of all the others?) It is the opposite of a universal God. It is a tribal god and a particularly blood-thirsty one.

Provide a quote from Tanach.

When the Lord thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee,... And when the Lord thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them: Deut 7:1, 2

And thou shalt consume all the people which the Lord thy God shall deliver thee; thine eye shall have no pity upon them: Deut 7:16

You do realize this is embellishment, right? You make the same mistake evangelicals make. You read this literally. C'mon man, don't make me revoke your membership from the adult club.

Embellishment? "Thou shalt smite them and utterly destroy them" is embellishment? No, Dingles, embellishment would be something like, "Thou shalt smite them as your fathers smote, riding across the desert at a full gallop in drag, and utterly destroy them and turn them into blood mist and bestow upon them their very own Holocaust story."

Thou shalt smite them and utterly destroy them means thou shalt smite them and utterly destroy them. A command by your God. Actually it is you who sounds like a fundamentalist. Every time they come to a blatant contradiction like page 1: God loves mankind, page 2: God incinerates mankind because some dude wore a dress, the fundamentalists all cry in unison, it was a different dispensation, a word which means "this contradiction is hereby defined as not a contradiction". you just use "embellishment" instead of "dispensation"

Holy smoke, so you believe God smote the enemies of the Jews? That's it. Your card to the adult club has been revoked, you fundie.

Don't look at me. It's your Bible:

And the Lord our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain: Only the cattle we took for a prey unto ourselves, and the spoil of the cities which we took. Deut 2:33-35

Of course I'm going to look at you. You are the one reading the bible like an idiot.

The OT stories are imaginative, but they are NOT historical.

There are historical aspects. But you are not someone I will discuss that with.

Why not? Do you think there is an historical aspect to Noah's Ark or the Exodus?

Because you are not objective.

The purpose of morality tales is what?

The purpose of EVERYTHING is to teach.

Yes. Thank you.

 

[ding]

At its root, it refers to the core Jewish belief that the Creator of the Universe also has a special and unique relationship with His chosen people."

According to scripture and Jewish tradition, God wished to have a people who placed themselves apart from others to live by a more austere code than other nations. The rest of us could live by a more relaxed code of our own choosing. God wasn't abandoning either group.

Why would any universal God demand what is, frankly, xenophobia from just one tribe (and the enslavement or genocide of all the others?) It is the opposite of a universal God. It is a tribal god and a particularly blood-thirsty one.

Provide a quote from Tanach.

When the Lord thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee,... And when the Lord thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them: Deut 7:1, 2

And thou shalt consume all the people which the Lord thy God shall deliver thee; thine eye shall have no pity upon them: Deut 7:16

You do realize this is embellishment, right? You make the same mistake evangelicals make. You read this literally. C'mon man, don't make me revoke your membership from the adult club.

Embellishment? "Thou shalt smite them and utterly destroy them" is embellishment? No, Dingles, embellishment would be something like, "Thou shalt smite them as your fathers smote, riding across the desert at a full gallop in drag, and utterly destroy them and turn them into blood mist and bestow upon them their very own Holocaust story."

Thou shalt smite them and utterly destroy them means thou shalt smite them and utterly destroy them. A command by your God. Actually it is you who sounds like a fundamentalist. Every time they come to a blatant contradiction like page 1: God loves mankind, page 2: God incinerates mankind because some dude wore a dress, the fundamentalists all cry in unison, it was a different dispensation, a word which means "this contradiction is hereby defined as not a contradiction". you just use "embellishment" instead of "dispensation"

Holy smoke, so you believe God smote the enemies of the Jews? That's it. Your card to the adult club has been revoked, you fundie.

Don't look at me. It's your Bible:

And the Lord our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain: Only the cattle we took for a prey unto ourselves, and the spoil of the cities which we took. Deut 2:33-35

Of course I'm going to look at you. You are the one reading the bible like an idiot.

Moreover the Lord your God will send the hornet among them until those who are left, who hide themselves from you, are destroyed. Deut 7:20

How's that for some Class A viciousness? Picture it, so your latest genocide is drawing to a close. It's taken non-stop solid days of slaughter in the city to put all the men, women, and children to the sword and dash all the babies' heads against the rocks. You and the boys are tired, but it's a good kind of tired and you want nothing more than lay back, eat these peoples food and force their daughters to pleasure you before you kill them, too, but you know there are still some survivors hiding in terror in hard to reach places. But when God says "utterly destroy", he means "utterly destroy" so you dare not stop yet. But then, do you have a great God or what? Those people who were hiding in terror from you? haha, God sent hornets in to drive them out of their hiding places so you could quickly and easily finish them off and get to raping--the fun part. Moreover the Lord your God will send the hornet among them until those who are left, who hide themselves from you, are destroyed. Deut 7:20

I'll bet Israel has a drone right now called Hornet and it will be used to track people down.

 

[Street Juice]

Hold on a minute, there, matzoh boy, how do you know it isn't actually another God? The tribal god that drinks lamb's blood and all that? The one that slays cities, demands the right to the first born of "His" people, turns women into salt, talks to snakes in gardens and so on? The real God, on the other hand, the universal God, is the One all humans have always equally sought to understand. Wouldn't that tidy things up a bit?

Only if you were a Gnostic Christian. But they mostly darwinized themselves out of existence. But there's not really a second creation story. That's a misnomer. So I hate to burst your bubble but there it is.

Who cares? You can get rid of the first creation story, too. How the world came into existence isn't a religious question, anyway. It is a scientific question, since it has to do with the physical world. It does seem to me however, when I think about it, that in the Bible you've got two distinct Gods on stage. While one God is over here telling anyone who will listen that He desires mercy, not vengeance, you've got bad cop God over there ordering Jews to slaughter everyone in the world without mercy. So, either God is a schizo, or start ordering the replacement placemats for the friary with the Lord's Prayer: Our Fathers, one of whom is in Heaven and the other probably prison, hallowed be thy names. Thy kingdoms come, thy wills be done on earth as they are in Heaven and Hell, as the case may be. Give us this day our daily bread, and help us resist temptation, just not yet. Deliver us from evil, or drop us smack dab in the middle of it, for the kingdoms are y'alls, and the power too, and the glory, forever and ever, amen.

How the world came into existence is an origin question and is an important question especially as it pertains to God who is a creator God. There have been two views; the universe has always existed or the universe was created. Science has discarded the universe has always existed model and for good reason too. I find most atheists violently oppose the idea that the universe was created from nothing but that's what the science says so there it is.

Lot's of people have a hard time reconciling the God of the OT with the God of the NT. In fact, the Gnostic Christians decided there had to be two Gods because of this apparent conflict; the evil God of the OT and the good God of the NT. But they were supreme idiots who effectively darwinized themselves from existence. So now we just have jackanapes left who don't know how to read the bible for meaning and create more red herrings than a Jewish fishery like you have been doing.

Well, that's one way, I guess, to concede the argument.

SETTLED: No real God can be both a universal God and have a chosen people.
SETTLED: There isn't a rabbi's whisker of difference between white supremacy and chosen-people-ism.

 

[ding]

Hold on a minute, there, matzoh boy, how do you know it isn't actually another God? The tribal god that drinks lamb's blood and all that? The one that slays cities, demands the right to the first born of "His" people, turns women into salt, talks to snakes in gardens and so on? The real God, on the other hand, the universal God, is the One all humans have always equally sought to understand. Wouldn't that tidy things up a bit?

Only if you were a Gnostic Christian. But they mostly darwinized themselves out of existence. But there's not really a second creation story. That's a misnomer. So I hate to burst your bubble but there it is.

Who cares? You can get rid of the first creation story, too. How the world came into existence isn't a religious question, anyway. It is a scientific question, since it has to do with the physical world. It does seem to me however, when I think about it, that in the Bible you've got two distinct Gods on stage. While one God is over here telling anyone who will listen that He desires mercy, not vengeance, you've got bad cop God over there ordering Jews to slaughter everyone in the world without mercy. So, either God is a schizo, or start ordering the replacement placemats for the friary with the Lord's Prayer: Our Fathers, one of whom is in Heaven and the other probably prison, hallowed be thy names. Thy kingdoms come, thy wills be done on earth as they are in Heaven and Hell, as the case may be. Give us this day our daily bread, and help us resist temptation, just not yet. Deliver us from evil, or drop us smack dab in the middle of it, for the kingdoms are y'alls, and the power too, and the glory, forever and ever, amen.

How the world came into existence is an origin question and is an important question especially as it pertains to God who is a creator God. There have been two views; the universe has always existed or the universe was created. Science has discarded the universe has always existed model and for good reason too. I find most atheists violently oppose the idea that the universe was created from nothing but that's what the science says so there it is.

Lot's of people have a hard time reconciling the God of the OT with the God of the NT. In fact, the Gnostic Christians decided there had to be two Gods because of this apparent conflict; the evil God of the OT and the good God of the NT. But they were supreme idiots who effectively darwinized themselves from existence. So now we just have jackanapes left who don't know how to read the bible for meaning and create more red herrings than a Jewish fishery like you have been doing.

Well, that's one way, I guess, to concede the argument.

SETTLED: No real God can be both a universal God and have a chosen people.
SETTLED: There isn't a rabbi's whisker of difference between white supremacy and chosen-people-ism.

Evil Knievel couldn't jump your gap in logic. But I'm OK with that because it has been my experience that people who display your level of intellect and bias are the ones who struggle through existence as they reap what they sow. Normalization of deviance is a mother fucker.