Seriously Damning Evidence Against Wilbur Ross and the Tramp Team

[Lewdog]

Really? Where's your proof of that? Because that is exactly the opposite of the information in the article I posted.

Let this be a lesson. You can't trust everything you read on the Internet.

Donald Trump’s Schedule 10-30-16 thru 11-5-16

Did you even read your own link? He was in Concord on November 3rd just like the article and information I posted shows. Trump was in 4 cities on November 3rd. From your own link:

• THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 03, 2016 – JACKSONVILLE, FL – Noon ET [Video]
  • Donald J. Trump will hold a rally at the Jacksonville Equestrian Center
• THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 03, 2016 – BERWYN, PA – 2pm ET [Video]
  • Mrs. Melania Trump will hold a rally at the Main Line Sports Center
• THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 03, 2016 – CONCORD, NC – 4pm ET [Video]
  • Donald J. Trump will hold a rally at the Cabarrus Arena
• THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 03, 2016 – SELMA, NC – 7pm ET [Video]
  • Donald J. Trump will hold a rally at The Farm

Yes, Trump was in Concord for an event at 4:00 pm. But the plane in question departed Concord at a little after noon, while Trump was on stage at his event in Florida. There is no direct connection.

Again, you din't read the article. It specifically states that on the campaign trail often times some of Trump's campaign party would leave places at different times than Trump's plane. If you are going to argue with me on this stuff, especially an article I post with information in it, at least have the decency to read it first and quit wasting my time.

. OK, you want him to read and then debate you on the information you posted, but why can't you answer a few questions as pertaining to what you posted, and then your stance taken by you on the information in which might ignite the curiosity of the on lookers who might be taking your word for it or might take the word for your opponent by watching the debate ? Sometimes question's may spark other angles to look at during a debate between two debators on a story one may have posted. Links or stories are read if the visitor is convinced something might be there by the debate going on.

There is no debate when many of the questions asked can be answered just by reading the information in the link provided. If someone isn't willing to take the time to read the link provided for the discussion, why should I spend my time telling them the information they can get for themselves? It isn't about me convincing someone to read something... they either read it and then we talk about it, or they don't and move on. There is no reason for me to debate anything with someone that won't take the time to read the source material.

 

[Tehon]

Let this be a lesson. You can't trust everything you read on the Internet.

Donald Trump’s Schedule 10-30-16 thru 11-5-16

Did you even read your own link? He was in Concord on November 3rd just like the article and information I posted shows. Trump was in 4 cities on November 3rd. From your own link:

• THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 03, 2016 – JACKSONVILLE, FL – Noon ET [Video]
  • Donald J. Trump will hold a rally at the Jacksonville Equestrian Center
• THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 03, 2016 – BERWYN, PA – 2pm ET [Video]
  • Mrs. Melania Trump will hold a rally at the Main Line Sports Center
• THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 03, 2016 – CONCORD, NC – 4pm ET [Video]
  • Donald J. Trump will hold a rally at the Cabarrus Arena
• THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 03, 2016 – SELMA, NC – 7pm ET [Video]
  • Donald J. Trump will hold a rally at The Farm

Yes, Trump was in Concord for an event at 4:00 pm. But the plane in question departed Concord at a little after noon, while Trump was on stage at his event in Florida. There is no direct connection.

Again, you din't read the article. It specifically states that on the campaign trail often times some of Trump's campaign party would leave places at different times than Trump's plane. If you are going to argue with me on this stuff, especially an article I post with information in it, at least have the decency to read it first and quit wasting my time.

I'm not wasting your time. I said it was conjecture on your part, which it is. You could have just acknowledged it for what it is and gone on your merry way, but you didn't. What staffer met that plane in Concord?

Yes, you are wasting my time. Why comment and argue about something you haven't even read? And then you have the gall to try and tell me I'm wrong about something you haven't even read.

And you questioned MY credibility? That's a fucking joke.

Not only did I read it you imbecile, I fact checked it for you and the facts are few and far between. The article is misleading. I brought it into a little more focus. Now, what staffer met that plane?

 

[depotoo]

Deutsche Bank examined Trump's account for Russia links
Feb 16, 2017 - However, two bank sources have told the Guardian that it found no evidence to show the loans had been underwritten by money from Moscow, or any Russian bank.

If the information in this report is correct, then you can put another nail in the coffin of Donald Trump.

"When Rybolovlev still owned his potash company, he reportedly maintained an Airbus A319 that was outfitted for personal use. This plane, with the registration M-KATE, is registered to Sophar Property Limited, a British Virgin Islands company.[80] While this company was originally registered to UralKali, the potash company that he disposed of by 2011, apparently Rybo, as he is known, enjoyed this plane and another, a Falcon, so much that he retained ownership or at least use rights to the two planes, this Airbus and, a Falcon jet. The Airbus A319’s registration is reportedly named after one of his two daughters, Ekaterina. [81]

For our purposes, the intriguing thing is that this plane, normally based in Moscow and Switzerland, can be tracked. According the flight logs available from FlightRadar24, it made numerous flights all over the U.S. from August 2016 through November 2016, the peak season for the U.S. 2016 Presidential campaign – of course right at the moment when Moscow was supposedly trying to jack the election on Trump’s behalf.

Donald Trump’s airplane photographed in Charlotte, N.C., on Nov. 3.

Rybolovlev’s plane photographed at Charlotte airport, Nov. 3.

Moreover, in at least three cases, Airbus A319M-KATE showed up at very same airports, where candidate Trump was – in the North Carolina cities of Charlotte and Concord and in Las Vegas, for example. Indeed, in the case of Charlotte, local photographers took pictures of M-KATE and the Trump campaign jet at the very same airport on November 3, 2016. During a presidential campaign close aides often arrive before and after the candidate, times that overlap with the Rybolovlev jet in several cities.[82]

Local photographers took pictures of M-KATE and Trump’s Boeing 757 the Trump campaign jet at the same airport on November 3, 2016.

Indeed, earlier this month — on Friday, Feb. 10 2017 — Rybolovlev‘s Airbus A319 M-KATE flew all the way from Switzerland to Miami. That airport is near where the White House said that the president was partying with hedge fund mogul Steven Schwartzman in Palm Beach on Saturday night. Rybolovlev’s jet returned to Switzerland on February 12, flight records show.

There were also M-KATE flights to Westhampton, New York and Los Angeles in early August 2016 and October-November, 2016, but the intersections with Trump’s travels are less clear.

Why would Rybolovlev’s plane scurry back and forth from Moscow to odd destinations like Charlotte and Concord, as well as to Las Vegas, New York, Burbank, and Miami, to arrive there precisely when Trump was there? The obvious question: was Rybolovlev a Putin emissary?"

And that is just part of the report, the rest details items I have brought up previously on how Trump's business credit rating is so awful he can't get loans from most traditional sources, and just how deep Wilbur Ross is in with the Russians through the Cyprus Bank.

Wilbur Ross Comes to D.C. With an Unexamined History of Russian Connections – DCReport

so basically nobody in town will give trump a loan so he has to borrow money from the Russian mafia

 

[beagle9]

Let this be a lesson. You can't trust everything you read on the Internet.

Donald Trump’s Schedule 10-30-16 thru 11-5-16

Did you even read your own link? He was in Concord on November 3rd just like the article and information I posted shows. Trump was in 4 cities on November 3rd. From your own link:

• THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 03, 2016 – JACKSONVILLE, FL – Noon ET [Video]
  • Donald J. Trump will hold a rally at the Jacksonville Equestrian Center
• THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 03, 2016 – BERWYN, PA – 2pm ET [Video]
  • Mrs. Melania Trump will hold a rally at the Main Line Sports Center
• THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 03, 2016 – CONCORD, NC – 4pm ET [Video]
  • Donald J. Trump will hold a rally at the Cabarrus Arena
• THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 03, 2016 – SELMA, NC – 7pm ET [Video]
  • Donald J. Trump will hold a rally at The Farm

Yes, Trump was in Concord for an event at 4:00 pm. But the plane in question departed Concord at a little after noon, while Trump was on stage at his event in Florida. There is no direct connection.

Again, you din't read the article. It specifically states that on the campaign trail often times some of Trump's campaign party would leave places at different times than Trump's plane. If you are going to argue with me on this stuff, especially an article I post with information in it, at least have the decency to read it first and quit wasting my time.

. OK, you want him to read and then debate you on the information you posted, but why can't you answer a few questions as pertaining to what you posted, and then your stance taken by you on the information in which might ignite the curiosity of the on lookers who might be taking your word for it or might take the word for your opponent by watching the debate ? Sometimes question's may spark other angles to look at during a debate between two debators on a story one may have posted. Links or stories are read if the visitor is convinced something might be there by the debate going on.

There is no debate when many of the questions asked can be answered just by reading the information in the link provided. If someone isn't willing to take the time to read the link provided for the discussion, why should I spend my time telling them the information they can get for themselves? It isn't about me convincing someone to read something... they either read it and then we talk about it, or they don't and move on. There is no reason for me to debate anything with someone that won't take the time to read the source material.

. The information is either believed or scewed once an author sets their opinion on the article whether they be for it or against it. Then the debators ask questions of the author to see as to whether or not it is something worth reading or if the question's asked, and then answerd are heavily biased or seemingly over the top. At this point the potential debators might not read the article, and will just move on from there, make an opinion or ask more questions. People in alot of cases won't read links or articles based upon the source or the commentary of the author of the OP when reading it. No one wants to waste time, and it goes both ways.

 

[depotoo]

Interesting flightradar24 which the article claims to have used has no information on the plane they say it does.

Flightradar24 database - Advanced search - Flightradar24

If the information in this report is correct, then you can put another nail in the coffin of Donald Trump.

"When Rybolovlev still owned his potash company, he reportedly maintained an Airbus A319 that was outfitted for personal use. This plane, with the registration M-KATE, is registered to Sophar Property Limited, a British Virgin Islands company.[80] While this company was originally registered to UralKali, the potash company that he disposed of by 2011, apparently Rybo, as he is known, enjoyed this plane and another, a Falcon, so much that he retained ownership or at least use rights to the two planes, this Airbus and, a Falcon jet. The Airbus A319’s registration is reportedly named after one of his two daughters, Ekaterina. [81]

For our purposes, the intriguing thing is that this plane, normally based in Moscow and Switzerland, can be tracked. According the flight logs available from FlightRadar24, it made numerous flights all over the U.S. from August 2016 through November 2016, the peak season for the U.S. 2016 Presidential campaign – of course right at the moment when Moscow was supposedly trying to jack the election on Trump’s behalf.

Donald Trump’s airplane photographed in Charlotte, N.C., on Nov. 3.

Rybolovlev’s plane photographed at Charlotte airport, Nov. 3.

Moreover, in at least three cases, Airbus A319M-KATE showed up at very same airports, where candidate Trump was – in the North Carolina cities of Charlotte and Concord and in Las Vegas, for example. Indeed, in the case of Charlotte, local photographers took pictures of M-KATE and the Trump campaign jet at the very same airport on November 3, 2016. During a presidential campaign close aides often arrive before and after the candidate, times that overlap with the Rybolovlev jet in several cities.[82]

Local photographers took pictures of M-KATE and Trump’s Boeing 757 the Trump campaign jet at the same airport on November 3, 2016.

Indeed, earlier this month — on Friday, Feb. 10 2017 — Rybolovlev‘s Airbus A319 M-KATE flew all the way from Switzerland to Miami. That airport is near where the White House said that the president was partying with hedge fund mogul Steven Schwartzman in Palm Beach on Saturday night. Rybolovlev’s jet returned to Switzerland on February 12, flight records show.

There were also M-KATE flights to Westhampton, New York and Los Angeles in early August 2016 and October-November, 2016, but the intersections with Trump’s travels are less clear.

Why would Rybolovlev’s plane scurry back and forth from Moscow to odd destinations like Charlotte and Concord, as well as to Las Vegas, New York, Burbank, and Miami, to arrive there precisely when Trump was there? The obvious question: was Rybolovlev a Putin emissary?"

And that is just part of the report, the rest details items I have brought up previously on how Trump's business credit rating is so awful he can't get loans from most traditional sources, and just how deep Wilbur Ross is in with the Russians through the Cyprus Bank.

Wilbur Ross Comes to D.C. With an Unexamined History of Russian Connections – DCReport

 

[depotoo]

Where did everybody go?

 

[Care4all]

Putin is the RICHEST MAN IN THE WHOLE wide WORLD

Former Kremlin banker: Putin 'is the richest person in the world...

Russia's President Vladimir Putin toasts during a ceremony of receiving diplomatic credentials from foreign ambassadors at the Kremlin in Moscow, Russia, May 28, 2015. REUTERS/Sergei Karpukhin
The man who used to be the "Kremlin's banker" says that as long the Russian president Vladimir Putin remains in power, he's the richest person in the world.

“Everything that belongs to the territory of the Russian Federation Putin considers to be his," Sergei Pugachev told The Guardian's Luke Harding. "Everything – Gazprom, Rosneft, private companies. Any attempt to calculate it won’t succeed.

"He’s the richest person in the world until he leaves power.”

Although Putin's exact wealth is unclear, hedge fund manager Bill Browder previously estimated it at $200 billion during an interview with CNN's Fareed Zakaria.

(As a reference point, that would make Putin 2.5 times as rich as Bill Gates, who is considerd to be the world's richest man.)

"After 14 years in power of Russia, and the amount of money that the country has made, and the amount of money that hasn't been spent on schools and roads and hospitals and so on — all that money is in property, Swiss bank accounts, shares, [and] hedge funds managed for Putin and his cronies."

The "first eight or 10 years about reign over Russia was about stealing as much money that he could," Browder added.

Pugachev said Putin's immense wealth is not an accident.

"Putin wanted get rich, too. He was a pragmatic person," he added. "We talked about this. He didn’t want to leave office poor."

Former Kremlin banker: Putin 'is the richest person in the world until he leaves power'

 

[Tehon]

depotoo, drop A319 from your query. You will see that the plane flew from LA to St Croix last week. Let's check the Whitehouse schedule to see what staffer was in those locations on that day.

 

[Tehon]

Although Putin's exact wealth is unclear

Thank you for your honesty.

 

[Ame®icano]

Back in 1997, at the NYE party in New York, Trump, who doesn't drink, was seen taking a shot of Russian vodka.

The following year, 1998, Trump ordered pizza that's been brought to him by delivery guy whose neighbor aunt is an immigrant from Russia.

Those are two clear Russians connections that have to be investigated.

 

[depotoo]

Thank you. Yeah, should be interesting.
Did you like how the article stated he may retain some ownership, or have made a deal to use the planes? No confirmation of such? Only innuendo, as always.

depotoo,
odrop A319 from your query. You will see that the plane flew from LA to St Croix last week. Let's check the Whitehouse schedule to see what staffer was in those locations on that day.

 

[dannyboys]

My, we are desperate!

Watching the democrats today gives us insight as to how they formed their KKK....much like then when they wanted to terrorize and punish their enemies, the blacks....today we have them following the same path to terrorize and attack the opposition political party....it is truly disturbing....

So the Russian guy being at the same places as Trump rallies is just a HUGE coincidence?

You didn't have the class to at least use quotation marks asshole!
Anyway why would anyone not expect that from you.
Is a person who actually wrote the bullshit you put up suggesting the "Russian guy" was personally present on all these flights?????
Could it possibly be the case that the plane had been chartered to another entity?

 

[dannyboys]

If the information in this report is correct, then you can put another nail in the coffin of Donald Trump.

Do you know the meaning of the word "conjecture"?
That nail is better suited for the coffin of your credibility.

My credibility? So you can't refute anything in the article and can't give a good reason why the Russian guy would be mysteriously showing up at places of Trump rallies. Gotcha.

Do you have any actual proof that 'Rybo' attended a single Trump rally?
Had be been at any of these rallies someone would surely taken at least one photo of him.
You're source is full of shit and it's appropriate someone who's full of shit......like you, would believe it.

 

[dannyboys]

"Moreover, in at least three cases, Airbus A319M-KATE showed up at very same airports, where candidate Trump was – in the North Carolina cities of Charlotte and Concord and in Las Vegas, for example. Indeed, in the case of Charlotte, local photographers took pictures of M-KATE and the Trump campaign jet at the very same airport on November 3, 2016. During a presidential campaign close aides often arrive before and after the candidate, times that overlap with the Rybolovlev jet in several cities."

So put up these photos.......or STFU!

 

[dannyboys]

If the information in this report is correct, then you can put another nail in the coffin of Donald Trump.

"When Rybolovlev still owned his potash company, he reportedly maintained an Airbus A319 that was outfitted for personal use. This plane, with the registration M-KATE, is registered to Sophar Property Limited, a British Virgin Islands company.[80] While this company was originally registered to UralKali, the potash company that he disposed of by 2011, apparently Rybo, as he is known, enjoyed this plane and another, a Falcon, so much that he retained ownership or at least use rights to the two planes, this Airbus and, a Falcon jet. The Airbus A319’s registration is reportedly named after one of his two daughters, Ekaterina. [81]

For our purposes, the intriguing thing is that this plane, normally based in Moscow and Switzerland, can be tracked. According the flight logs available from FlightRadar24, it made numerous flights all over the U.S. from August 2016 through November 2016, the peak season for the U.S. 2016 Presidential campaign – of course right at the moment when Moscow was supposedly trying to jack the election on Trump’s behalf.

Donald Trump’s airplane photographed in Charlotte, N.C., on Nov. 3.

Rybolovlev’s plane photographed at Charlotte airport, Nov. 3.

Moreover, in at least three cases, Airbus A319M-KATE showed up at very same airports, where candidate Trump was – in the North Carolina cities of Charlotte and Concord and in Las Vegas, for example. Indeed, in the case of Charlotte, local photographers took pictures of M-KATE and the Trump campaign jet at the very same airport on November 3, 2016. During a presidential campaign close aides often arrive before and after the candidate, times that overlap with the Rybolovlev jet in several cities.[82]

Local photographers took pictures of M-KATE and Trump’s Boeing 757 the Trump campaign jet at the same airport on November 3, 2016.

Indeed, earlier this month — on Friday, Feb. 10 2017 — Rybolovlev‘s Airbus A319 M-KATE flew all the way from Switzerland to Miami. That airport is near where the White House said that the president was partying with hedge fund mogul Steven Schwartzman in Palm Beach on Saturday night. Rybolovlev’s jet returned to Switzerland on February 12, flight records show.

There were also M-KATE flights to Westhampton, New York and Los Angeles in early August 2016 and October-November, 2016, but the intersections with Trump’s travels are less clear.

Why would Rybolovlev’s plane scurry back and forth from Moscow to odd destinations like Charlotte and Concord, as well as to Las Vegas, New York, Burbank, and Miami, to arrive there precisely when Trump was there? The obvious question: was Rybolovlev a Putin emissary?"

And that is just part of the report, the rest details items I have brought up previously on how Trump's business credit rating is so awful he can't get loans from most traditional sources, and just how deep Wilbur Ross is in with the Russians through the Cyprus Bank.

Wilbur Ross Comes to D.C. With an Unexamined History of Russian Connections – DCReport

so basically nobody in town will give trump a loan so he has to borrow money from the Russian mafia

Or banks with Russian ties like the one in Cyprus that Wilbur Ross is on the board of.

Which bank paid Hillary for our uranium?

NONE!

try again, with your next LIE

Who paid Bill Clinton $500K to give a fifteen minute 'speech' to Russian businessmen?

 

[dannyboys]

. OK, now you tell us why the plane was in these places during the campaign in your claim ? Tell us exactly what happened when the plane arrived, and when it departed. Who was on the plane, and where did they go when they left this plane. So you are saying that unauthorized flights from Russia can just fly in here for business that the national Intelligence community knows nothing about ? I mean you are suggesting that this plane was following the Trump campaign around. Do you know how ridiculous that sounds ?

Did you read the article? Who said it was unauthorized? If you haven't read the article then that's the first step before I even go through answering your questions.

. I hate reading articles that are bent or biased in reporting a one sided story on something. I'll just watch you and Teflon Duke it out. Now how about that Trump schedule he posted ?

So you are too lazy to do research and figure out the truth? So you'll read what Trump says and believe it like it is the gospel but won't read things that could be potentially damaging to Trump and figure things out for yourself?

No I just hate wasting time when 10 minutes later the story is refuted by the experts. I like to follow along, ask questions of the debators, and then come to my conclusions based upon the going back & forth between you people first (that's the fun part), then I might lean back towards the article if someone destroy's their opponent in the debate or I might just agree and move on from there without discussing it any further. Yes I am biased to some extent or pro-Trump as you call it, and you are not.

I'm most definitely not Pro-Trump, but I'll read all the information given to me regardless of whose side it is for, and then make my opinion based on that. Take for example Owebo and him saying that Obama has admitted to wiretapping Trump. There has been absolutely nothing from Obama saying that, nor anyone under him. All they have said is that it is possible Trump was wiretapped, but that the White House had no say in the decision, and anything carried out was done by the Justice Department alone without Obama or anyone else in the White House knowing or having a say in it.

The Justice Department run by who?
Do you remember the name of Obama's AG at the time????
Suuuuuure Obama had nothing to do with the wiretapping. Suuuuure.

 

[dannyboys]

Let this be a lesson. You can't trust everything you read on the Internet.

Donald Trump’s Schedule 10-30-16 thru 11-5-16

Did you even read your own link? He was in Concord on November 3rd just like the article and information I posted shows. Trump was in 4 cities on November 3rd. From your own link:

• THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 03, 2016 – JACKSONVILLE, FL – Noon ET [Video]
  • Donald J. Trump will hold a rally at the Jacksonville Equestrian Center
• THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 03, 2016 – BERWYN, PA – 2pm ET [Video]
  • Mrs. Melania Trump will hold a rally at the Main Line Sports Center
• THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 03, 2016 – CONCORD, NC – 4pm ET [Video]
  • Donald J. Trump will hold a rally at the Cabarrus Arena
• THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 03, 2016 – SELMA, NC – 7pm ET [Video]
  • Donald J. Trump will hold a rally at The Farm

Yes, Trump was in Concord for an event at 4:00 pm. But the plane in question departed Concord at a little after noon, while Trump was on stage at his event in Florida. There is no direct connection.

Again, you din't read the article. It specifically states that on the campaign trail often times some of Trump's campaign party would leave places at different times than Trump's plane. If you are going to argue with me on this stuff, especially an article I post with information in it, at least have the decency to read it first and quit wasting my time.

. OK, you want him to read and then debate you on the information you posted, but why can't you answer a few questions as pertaining to what you posted, and then your stance taken by you on the information in which might ignite the curiosity of the on lookers who might be taking your word for it or might take the word for your opponent by watching the debate ? Sometimes question's may spark other angles to look at during a debate between two debators on a story one may have posted. Links or stories are read if the visitor is convinced something might be there by the debate going on.

There is no debate when many of the questions asked can be answered just by reading the information in the link provided. If someone isn't willing to take the time to read the link provided for the discussion, why should I spend my time telling them the information they can get for themselves? It isn't about me convincing someone to read something... they either read it and then we talk about it, or they don't and move on. There is no reason for me to debate anything with someone that won't take the time to read the source material.

What's the point 'debating' with someone who swallows every load of radical LIB bullshit posted on some obscure fucking radical LIB website.
Show us the photos of the planes both on the same airports at the same time. Show us the passenger lists on the russian plane.
You know, actual proof. Like the actual flight logs that showed Bill Clinton was a passenger on planes that flew to 'Lolita Island' 22 times.

 

[hjmick]

This thread belongs in the "Conspiracy Theories" wing of USMB...

 

[Iceweasel]

If the information in this report is correct, then you can put another nail in the coffin of Donald Trump.

Let us know when you stumble across some facts. Op-ed pieces are designed to send a thrill up your leg, they are not reports.

 

[NoNukes]

My, we are desperate!

Watching the democrats today gives us insight as to how they formed their KKK....much like then when they wanted to terrorize and punish their enemies, the blacks....today we have them following the same path to terrorize and attack the opposition political party....it is truly disturbing....

. Obama turned out to be the biggest mistakes this nation ever made. The young folks who were duped by Hollywood and the liberal Demon-crat party should be ashamed of themselves. They have drunk the coolaid. Corruption is now running rampant in our country.

Corruption in the name of TRUMP. Time for you to wise up.

. Giving Obama a pass are we ??

What does that even mean?