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Most people in the community draw the line at "lasting physical harm". Basically, if it's going to involve a trip to the doctor, they avoid it.
Taking that statement literally would not be wise, though. By that literal definition, I've caused "lasting physical harm" that certainly involved multiple trips "to the doctor" just from having sex with my wife.
Okay, what the hell are YOU doing in the bedroom? Take the spikes off the strap-on, put down that gerbil, and back away slowly.
^^^kansas city, mo. -- the allegations in the indictment were shocking: A young woman had been held captive for years as the sex slave of a missouri couple. She had been locked in a cage and subjected to electrical shocks. Parts of her body had been nailed to wooden planks.
When announcing charges last month, u.s. Attorney beth phillips called the case one of "the most horrific ever prosecuted in this district."
authorities said the woman was a mentally deficient runaway who was recruited by an older man at the age of 16 to live in his trailer. The situation came to light in early 2009, after the woman, then 23, landed in a hospital following what prosecutors said was a torture session.
But as more details have emerged, more questions have arisen about the accuser, including her involvement in violent sex practices, her posing for a pornographic magazine and her work as a strip-club dancer. Supporters of the defendant are speaking out, too, saying many of the acts described in the indictment are practiced every day between consenting adults.
Susan dill, bagley's kansas city-based attorney, told reporters recently that the indictment tells only one side of the story. She said the defense will present evidence that the woman practiced bdsm -- bondage, dominance, sadism and masochism -- by choice.
this is not a taste!!!!!
Of course it isn't. It is a very extreme fact pattern, if all the allegations are true. For starters, it is a poly household, and those are extremely rare.
Nonetheless, if she was over 18, in her right mind, intelligent enough to consent, did consent and was not coerced to stay after withdrawing her consent -- I JUST DO NOT SEE THE PROBLEM.
Okay, what the hell are YOU doing in the bedroom? Take the spikes off the strap-on, put down that gerbil, and back away slowly.
Maybe he meant conception, and the normal, but painful course of delivery.
I don't see that as lasting physical harm. Lasting FINANCIAL harm, maybe.
And rapists don't?
You people act as if there are no masochists.
Don't lump me in with that group.
You people act as if there are no masochists.
Don't lump me in with that group.
My apologies, but here's the thing.
If the masochist craves the sensation/pain and the sadist accommodates her or him....and both get their needs met......where's the harm? (Assuming the play remains within sane boundaries.)
Focus on the issue of consent. Sadists are not roaming the hills looking for non-masochists to "convert", and masochists are not seeking "regular people" to inspire to become Marque De Sade. They seek one another....and they make each other happy.
That's like saying all rapists started out having normal, consensual sex.
Not even close...sadists ENJOY hurting people...period.
And rapists don't?
^^^
this is not a taste!!!!!
Of course it isn't. It is a very extreme fact pattern, if all the allegations are true. For starters, it is a poly household, and those are extremely rare.
Nonetheless, if she was over 18, in her right mind, intelligent enough to consent, did consent and was not coerced to stay after withdrawing her consent -- I JUST DO NOT SEE THE PROBLEM.
According to the indictment, he restrained her and shocked until she had she went into cardiac arrest.
And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
Do you understand that these people ALL started out as "everyday BDSM practitioners" ?
That's like saying all rapists started out having normal, consensual sex.
Not even close...sadists ENJOY hurting people...period.
They claim she was "mentally deficient". I would suggest that anyone who practices BDSM is "mentally deficient", wouldn't you?
No. Just kinky.
What does "mentally deficient" mean anyways?
Why doesn't rdean post in this thread?
Not even close...sadists ENJOY hurting people...period.
And rapists don't?
No, rapists DO..but everyone who started out having normal sex doesn't.
Every sadist, whether consensual or criminal, gleans enjoyment from others pain.
They claim she was "mentally deficient". I would suggest that anyone who practices BDSM is "mentally deficient", wouldn't you?
kansas city, mo. -- the allegations in the indictment were shocking: A young woman had been held captive for years as the sex slave of a missouri couple. She had been locked in a cage and subjected to electrical shocks. Parts of her body had been nailed to wooden planks.
When announcing charges last month, u.s. Attorney beth phillips called the case one of "the most horrific ever prosecuted in this district."
authorities said the woman was a mentally deficient runaway who was recruited by an older man at the age of 16 to live in his trailer. The situation came to light in early 2009, after the woman, then 23, landed in a hospital following what prosecutors said was a torture session.
But as more details have emerged, more questions have arisen about the accuser, including her involvement in violent sex practices, her posing for a pornographic magazine and her work as a strip-club dancer. Supporters of the defendant are speaking out, too, saying many of the acts described in the indictment are practiced every day between consenting adults.
Susan dill, bagley's kansas city-based attorney, told reporters recently that the indictment tells only one side of the story. She said the defense will present evidence that the woman practiced bdsm -- bondage, dominance, sadism and masochism -- by choice.
^^^
this is not a taste!!!!!
Of course it isn't. It is a very extreme fact pattern, if all the allegations are true. For starters, it is a poly household, and those are extremely rare.
Nonetheless, if she was over 18, in her right mind, intelligent enough to consent, did consent and was not coerced to stay after withdrawing her consent -- I JUST DO NOT SEE THE PROBLEM.
Missourian, I sense this is a case of fearing the unknown. Here's a link to some good information on the subject.....
SM 101 by Jay Wiseman
Maddy, I find that this is a case of not using common sense.
It takes a special kind of sick person to receive pleasure and sexual gratification from the pain and humiliation of another human being, "consensual" or otherwise.
Think it through...read the examples I posted.
Lemme give you a real life example. Boyfriend X and I had been together ages, and to make fun, we "pretended" to not know each other in a bar, where he "picked me up". We had a blast.
And yet, I have not taken up murdering people. Pretending via consent is not the same as forcing a stranger for real, Missourian.
Not even close...sadists ENJOY hurting people...period.
And rapists don't?
No, rapists DO..but everyone who started out having normal sex doesn't.
Every sadist, whether consensual or criminal, gleans enjoyment from others pain.
Maddy, I find that this is a case of not using common sense.
It takes a special kind of sick person to receive pleasure and sexual gratification from the pain and humiliation of another human being, "consensual" or otherwise.
Think it through...read the examples I posted.
Lemme give you a real life example. Boyfriend X and I had been together ages, and to make fun, we "pretended" to not know each other in a bar, where he "picked me up". We had a blast.
And yet, I have not taken up murdering people. Pretending via consent is not the same as forcing a stranger for real, Missourian.
Why don't you give me an example that, no matter how tenuous, has the slightest shred of the topic we are discussing.
Your example is of role playing, unless a role playing example involves being abducted, stripped naked, beaten, bound and raped, it has nothing whatsoever to do with the topic we are discussing.
And as I've said all along, if you as a woman don't see some wrong with along with fulfilling that fantasy, something is wrong with you too.
And rapists don't?
No, rapists DO..but everyone who started out having normal sex doesn't.
Every sadist, whether consensual or criminal, gleans enjoyment from others pain.
The quality of the enjoyment a sadist gets from inflicting pain on a masochist is entirely different from the quality of the interaction between a sadist and a non-willing, non-masochist. I encourage you to read some of the article I linked; for starters, the bottom always controls the play, completely.
I think you are imagining the Spanish Inquisition and it just is not like that.
Not even close...sadists ENJOY hurting people...period.
And rapists don't?
No, rapists DO..but everyone who started out having normal sex doesn't.
Every sadist, whether consensual or criminal, gleans enjoyment from others pain.
Lemme give you a real life example. Boyfriend X and I had been together ages, and to make fun, we "pretended" to not know each other in a bar, where he "picked me up". We had a blast.
And yet, I have not taken up murdering people. Pretending via consent is not the same as forcing a stranger for real, Missourian.
Why don't you give me an example that, no matter how tenuous, has the slightest shred of the topic we are discussing.
Your example is of role playing, unless a role playing example involves being abducted, stripped naked, beaten, bound and raped, it has nothing whatsoever to do with the topic we are discussing.
And as I've said all along, if you as a woman don't see some wrong with along with fulfilling that fantasy, something is wrong with you too.
All things being sane, I see nothing wrong with two people acting out whatever fantasises they like. "Rape play" is very popular and most couples try it on. Pretend rape with a man you love and trust is a wholly different experience from actual rape.....I'm sure you know this.
I bet if you are honest, you have tried this form of sex play. Again, it is a question of degrees, and keeping all behavior sane.
And rapists don't?
No, rapists DO..but everyone who started out having normal sex doesn't.
Every sadist, whether consensual or criminal, gleans enjoyment from others pain.
THAT is my point. Everyone who starts out having normal sex doesn't become a rapist. Only those who start out with those urges do. And everyone who starts out participating in BDSM doesn't because a criminal sexual sadist. Only those who start out with THOSE urges do.
Also, there is a very big difference between consensual S/M and pain.
