emilynghiem
Constitutionalist / Universalist
...a Christian Ideology based White Power group who goes into a Jewish bakery and request a cake in the shape a HHH and a burning cross? If they Jew denied baking this cake, since it's deeply against their religious faith?
Should the Jewish baker be forced to bake such a cake.
I mean few people argued the Baker was wrong when he refused to bake the cake "Happy Birthday Adolf Hitler!"
Adolf Hitler denied his birthday cake - Telegraph
Yet in AZ one can not conceive that a religious baker has any argument in not baking a cake for a gay marriage.
The vast vast majority of Christian bakers that don't want any part of a gay marriage ceremony would be fine selling to gays for any other occasion.
I personally disagree with a baker not making money for a gay marriage ceremony, but I can see their argument.
Go back to the birthday cake for Adolf Hitler, I think that baker was in the right and so did most people!
Again, your premise fails because it is a fallacy, comparing two dissimilar things.
A Jewish baker does not make ‘Adolf Hitler’ birthday cakes as part of his standard business practice, whereas a Christian who makes wedding cakes indeed makes wedding cakes as part of his standard business practice. For the Christian baker to refuse service to gay Americans where that identical service is afforded to other customers is a violation of public accommodations laws.
A Jewish baker who refuses to sell an ‘Adolf Hitler’ birthday cake to neo-Nazis or anti-Semites is not in violation of public accommodations laws because that’s a service he doesn’t provide to anyone in any event, including neo-Nazis and anti-Semites.
The issue, therefore, has nothing to do with the item sold – a cake – but the refusal of offering a service to one class of persons while providing that same service to everyone else.
These are good points, Thanks CCJones.
I've had personal experiences where I accepted people's biases and reasons for rejection, even though these could be seen as unfair.
I had one landlord become so uncomfortable showing me and my boyfriend an apt for rent, he came out and told me I shouldn't wear black, as a Vietnamese girl, because he happened to be a Veteran and had flashbacks to seeing civilians in black running through fields setting up soldiers for attack. He was very honest and just wanted to warn me, but anyone else could have taken insult or embarrassment from such a remark, insinuating I "looked like VC."
I had a lady at a community meetings admit in front of the whole group she had trouble working with an "Asian" on the committee (for justice for a latino man shot accidentally by police, because his cousin was the drug dealer they were after). She explained that she was resentful of Asian immigrants who received benefits in business from affirmative action while latino's born in this country didn't receive the same help. And I told her I sympathized with class discrimination, but it happens in all cultures and races; there are poor whites, blacks, vietnamese and latinos fighting to save our historic neighborhood while other people in all our communities neglect and forget us. So it was class division not race that was to blame. I actually respected the fact she was honest, and was trying to work this out. Despite that I made her so uncomfortable, just upset her for being there as if it was a slap in the face. Like what do I have to complain to the police about, it's the latino's who are suffering, not the asians.
I even had an Asian man reject me for a job offer. A businessman needed a secretary who would also help him improve his English. I was born here, and a native speaker, and helped other Asian lawyers or scholars to practice English and to proofread/edit on a professional level, and I tutored English as a teacher. But he couldn't handle having an Asian teach him, and wanted an AMERICAN. the lady at the placement office was so embarrassed, because I WAS AMERICAN, but the man was too embarrassed to even meet me because of HIS culture. And I understood it was an "Asian thing."
When people are that honest, why not just work with their flaws and accept their biases. Is it really people's fault we're not perfect, and have emotional reactions and associations we can't just turn off?
Why can we listen to each other and accept where we have differences, and celebrate the beauty of understanding. Why does everything have to be a political issue or battle.
Can we just be human, with all our flaws, our quirky beliefs, and let each other be ourselves? For the sake of humanity?
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